Science and Democracy

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renqiulan
楼主 (文学城)

Science is not about votes or people's will. It is wholly and solely about fact. But facts can be manipulated. Science debunks manipulated facts otherwise known as untruths. Truth turns up only when no stone is unturned. 

Scientists are investigators through and through. Science is a fact-finding mission first and foremost. Its findings have to be peer-reviewed so that doubts can be raised and addressed. 

That's why secret science projects always arouse public suspicion. In an open society, we have elected officials monitor secret science projects. But we are still skeptical, knowing that elected officials could be corrupt. In a close society, meanwhile, skeptics are always at risk of extinction.

Compared to autocracy, democracy is much more conducive to self-rectification because everything under the sun is subject to debate. No serious science can thrive without open debate.

Science is not democracy but it benefits hugely from democracy, and vice versa.


Author: renqiulan

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LYJiang
科学与民主。五四话题及主題。
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renqiulan
一个世纪过去了,中土或明或暗地还想赛先生跟德先生聚首一堂。
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lovecat08
好宽的话题!
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lovecat08
午夜深思区。。。。。。
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LYJiang
以我所思所见,中土上赛德两位先生神貌既不合,因为德先生早已被放逐了。
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renqiulan
谢谢猫姐。拙文短论一篇,摘取要义,聚焦在两者关糸上。
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renqiulan
好个“午夜深思区”。酷得很!
寒苇
"But facts can be manipulated." True and true and true.
唐宋韵
Democracy is critical for science in the long run. Agree.
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renqiulan
Let's face it. Bald-faced lies are a fact of life.
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renqiulan
Thanks for your input. Are you implying secret projects?
寒苇
You like using puns, don't you?
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renqiulan
Yes, when I get a chance.
唐宋韵
Private company, no much peer-review.... But we mostly

do application research.  I'm ok with it.

寒苇
Seriously, Nazi Germany was technologically advanced.
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renqiulan
Still the U.S. beat the Nazi, big time.
寒苇
Are you going to see the movie "Oppenheimer"?
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AP33912
你说的百元美钞上面那位?$100 features Ben Franklin,富兰克林,既是搞科学的又是搞民主的 -:)
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renqiulan
My wife and I won't miss it. And you?
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renqiulan
Right, but he had more confidence in science than democracy.
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lovecat08
我和我老公也要看它!
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renqiulan
The founding fathers' democracy wasn't quite inclusive.
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lovecat08
难比得匀?
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renqiulan
Good idea. I hope it won't disappoint us.
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renqiulan
Democracy, like science, is evolving as we speak.
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AP33912
today we got a black senator running for president, it was unlik
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AP33912
kly in Franklin era, while $100 worth less each day.
唐宋韵
一个关于fact 的真实故事

以前我做postdoc的时候,碰到了一个“特殊”的老板(我说"特殊"是因为这里不想评价他)。有一天,在他的巨型办公室,我俩分坐在对角线的位置,相隔10米不止。那是一个冬天的黄昏,他不开灯,黑得脸都看不清。我告诉他,他想要的data不可能得到,我详细地论证、说明。然而他却说,你那么聪明的人是应该能得到的。

我告诉 That’s the fact.

他笑笑说,no no no,假如马路上出了一个交通事故,你站在马路的一边,我站在马路的另一边 –

Then we are seeing two different facts.

几个月后,我离开了他的实验室去了industry。坦率地说,那句话在后来的日子里对我非常有帮助。那是我成年以后听到的最振聋发聩的话之一。

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renqiulan
America was reborn, thanks to the Civil War.
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renqiulan
I hope you'll post it and let open discussion begin.
唐宋韵
If you believe that's important and interesting, I'd love to
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renqiulan
Yes I do. Please go ahead and post it.
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ahniu
lots of fake truth

when people stop others speaking, rhat means fake truth, fake news

(发自我的文学城离线浏览器)

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renqiulan
对。欢迎发帖,交流观点与角度。谢谢!