“The Tet Offensive was a coordinated series of North Vietnamese attacks on more than 100 cities and outposts in South Vietnam”
结果却是：
“On March 31, a beleaguered President Johnson declared that he was limiting the bombing of North Vietnam to the area below the 20th parallel (thus sparing 90 percent of communist-held territory) and calling for negotiations to end the war. ”
"The Viet Cong were supported and trained by the government of communist North Vietnam.
Some served as guerrilla fighters and spies in South Vietnam and in neighboring Cambodia, while others fought alongside North Vietnamese troops in the PAVN. Another important task carried out by Viet Cong was to ferry supplies to their comrades from the north to the south along the Ho Chi Minh Trail, which ran through adjacent parts of Laos and Cambodia." https://www.nytimes.com/1964/08/16/archives/the-strategist-behind-the-vietcong-north-vietnams-commander-in.html "The Strategist Behind the Vietcong; North Vietnam's Commander in Chief breaks all the rules of conventional warfare. " https://www.historynet.com/vietnam-war Although publicly the war in the south was described as a civil war within South Vietnam, it was guided, equipped and reinforced by the communist leadership in Hanoi. "The VC were often supplemented by units of the People’s Army of Vietnam (PAVN), more often called simply the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) by those fighting against it. Following the Tet Offensive of 1968, the NVA had to assume the major combat role because the VC was decimated during the offensive." VC和NVA这么明显的互动，甚至NVA在春节攻势后全权取代了VC！你对此两者之分还曲解个啥？ 你说：“北越人民军什么时候像金日成那样几个师空地一体协同打着越南民主共和国的旗号去入侵过南越？”上传链接写道： “Then, on March 30, 1972, the North Vietnamese attacked across the 17th parallel with 14 divisions and additional individual regiments. Better armed than ever before, thanks to increased aid from the Soviet Union, they employed tanks for the first time.” NVA的14个师直接侵略了南越。美军又如何？ “On January 27, 1973, peace accords were signed between North Vietnam and the U.S.” 先空炸北越，又签了和平协约。 签了后呢？ “On March 5, 1975, the NVA invaded again.” 结果是 “No American air strikes came to aid the overstretched South Vietnamese, despite Nixon’s earlier assurances to Thieu” 我把北越正规军正式两次侵略南越也都包括了，你还有什么说词？这些若我是在“一知半解”，你的辩解恐怕连“半解”都不及吧？
与宣传员们的欺骗宣传相反，正因为共产党部队在朝鲜遭到了失败，北越才不敢像金日成那样发起祖国解放战争，组织正规军坦克部队大规模公然越过17度线去武统。只能寄希望于南越人民通过支持策动南越的同志发起游击战来消耗对手。
甚至最后西贡解放之后，南越的同志们还成了了自己的越南南方共和国，并与中国建立了正式外交关系，成为两个越南。要到一年之后，经两越人民公投，才统一成现在的越南。
估计网宣员们根本没有这些历史背景知识 ，只会胡吹。
越南民主共和国（北越）国旗，见胡志明像后，是红底黄五星：
越南南方共和国（越共，南越）的国旗，是红蓝两色加黄五星：
越战中，美军地面部队是和越共（越南南方共和国武装力量）作战，不是和越南民主共和国（北越）正规军作战。不是美国不敢越过17度线，是北越不敢越过17度线。
事实胜于雄辩。
如果南越人民选择了越共（越南南方共和国政府），那是南越人民自己的选择，美国也没啥办法。
最后两越统一也是经过公投的，有民主程序加持，是和平统一，不是武统。
你又一次成功的把死人说活了，有这本事咋就不帮助你爸先知特朗普成功连任呢？没有尽力啊！
毕竟非正常的想法比较少
有南越人参与了越共的政治团体。但有些不是共产党员也无军权，所以最后差不多都是傀儡。在北南越统一时，哪个无军权、非共产党员的南越人在越共团体里敢说一个不字？
这些美国又不是不知道。他们都没装傻卖楞地把越共和北越分离对待，你却为他们为之？
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E6%98%A5%E6%94%BB%E5%8B%A2
https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/tet-offensive
“The Tet Offensive was a coordinated series of North Vietnamese attacks on more than 100 cities and outposts in South Vietnam”
结果却是：
“On March 31, a beleaguered President Johnson declared that he was limiting the bombing of North Vietnam to the area below the 20th parallel (thus sparing 90 percent of communist-held territory) and calling for negotiations to end the war. ”
我主贴里哪个不是历史事实？
所以说，你辛辛苦苦查来得东西完全牛头不对马嘴，已经很多次了。你不理解我在说什么。你也不理解朝鲜和越南的区别。不理解入侵一个国家和颠覆一个国家政府的区别。这是许多中国网友的致命弱点，也是中国在世界上经常碰壁的原因之一。
名不正，则言不顺。越南比金日成强多了，当然，这也是因为共产党在朝鲜被美军打怕了的后果，开始学会怎样去颠覆一个国家政府，而不是只会愚蠢地发动大军去武统。
北越当然给南越同志们提供了大量的支持，但是在南越境内的战斗，主要还是越共同志们打的。
尤其是有许多是带着任务来的，一些是根本缺乏理解能力。
只要用这层关系+新春战役为凭就可以直截了当的推翻北越但因几种因素（反战民意、中苏维护、等等）无法做成而已。
不说立场问题，就我和你交谈的体会，你的确差我太多。这是实话。说实在的，目前班上TBz同学的知识和理解能力还是不错的。那群水军么，其实和你差不多，只是态度没你那么好而已。
你看明白我上面那个帖子的意思了么？都说不到点子上：越共是南越的共产党，不是北越正规大军。支持别国共产党反政府是一回事，自己出动大军堂而皇之打过去是性质完全不同的另一回事。
是否北越正规军明码侵略否，你觉得重要而我觉得一点都不重要。要打北越早就可以炮制很多理由，连北部湾事件都可炮制，还炮制不出正式打北越的理由？呵呵
其次我也写明了越共军队=北越军队。这点美国人早就心知肚明。所以你越在此这么泾渭分明，越显示你脱离了实际。
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-viet-cong-the-vietnam-war-195432
"The Viet Cong were supported and trained by the government of communist North Vietnam.
Some served as guerrilla fighters and spies in South Vietnam and in neighboring Cambodia, while others fought alongside North Vietnamese troops in the PAVN. Another important task carried out by Viet Cong was to ferry supplies to their comrades from the north to the south along the Ho Chi Minh Trail, which ran through adjacent parts of Laos and Cambodia." https://www.nytimes.com/1964/08/16/archives/the-strategist-behind-the-vietcong-north-vietnams-commander-in.html "The Strategist Behind the Vietcong; North Vietnam's Commander in Chief breaks all the rules of conventional warfare. " https://www.historynet.com/vietnam-war Although publicly the war in the south was described as a civil war within South Vietnam, it was guided, equipped and reinforced by the communist leadership in Hanoi. "The VC were often supplemented by units of the People’s Army of Vietnam (PAVN), more often called simply the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) by those fighting against it. Following the Tet Offensive of 1968, the NVA had to assume the major combat role because the VC was decimated during the offensive." VC和NVA这么明显的互动，甚至NVA在春节攻势后全权取代了VC！你对此两者之分还曲解个啥？ 你说：“北越人民军什么时候像金日成那样几个师空地一体协同打着越南民主共和国的旗号去入侵过南越？”上传链接写道： “Then, on March 30, 1972, the North Vietnamese attacked across the 17th parallel with 14 divisions and additional individual regiments. Better armed than ever before, thanks to increased aid from the Soviet Union, they employed tanks for the first time.” NVA的14个师直接侵略了南越。美军又如何？ “On January 27, 1973, peace accords were signed between North Vietnam and the U.S.” 先空炸北越，又签了和平协约。 签了后呢？ “On March 5, 1975, the NVA invaded again.” 结果是 “No American air strikes came to aid the overstretched South Vietnamese, despite Nixon’s earlier assurances to Thieu” 我把北越正规军正式两次侵略南越也都包括了，你还有什么说词？这些若我是在“一知半解”，你的辩解恐怕连“半解”都不及吧？所以最后99%越共军都是NVA的军士。连越共总司令都是北越军官并只听命于北越军方。
你若觉得我说地不对，请拿出证据证明VC没有被北越正规军取代。我等看证据而非空口无凭
我认为很重要，你认为不重要。
我认为很重要的理由在于，以正规军堂而皇之打进另一个国家是一个国家对另一个国家的武装入侵行为，是两国交战。
支持另一国国内反对派推翻该国政府，那属于对他人的支持，是基于信仰/人权等等，而不是两个国家之间的武装冲突。
这两个之间的区别是十分巨大的。故意忽视这两个的区分是会给自己惹来麻烦的。
历史上，所有以一国之军堂而皇之开入另一国的，基本上都被视为对他国的侵略，但一国用各种手段颠覆他国政府的，基本不会被认定为入侵他国。
这就是带路党的重要性，也是所谓统一台湾寄希望于台湾人民的必要性。许多年轻人包括你在内不明白这点，在我看来是十分幼稚的。
不浪费口水了，讨论实际问题。
你得回答这个关键问题，而不是找一堆废纸（难保不是某方欺骗宣传）来王顾左右而言他。
但是对越战则完全不同意因为从战争中期开始，越共就不在是独立团体而是北越的傀儡了。
北越即做了“支持另一国国内反对派推翻该国政府”也在1973年以14个师侵略了南越更把很多自己人完完全全地渗入南越反对派的越共里直接把其变成北越的”第5纵队”。
谢谢你的讲解，其实我都懂。但把此用在越战上来说事则太不符合历史事实了。这才是你我真正的分歧。
合着你对中共攻心那套可大肆批评而对北越攻心那套你就视而不见了？呵呵。
”而不是找一堆废纸（难保不是某方欺骗宣传）来王顾左右而言他？“
啧啧看看，说我找的材料都是废纸？多损人啊！
某方欺骗宣传？哪方呢？美方？中方？越方？我方？还是你方？
又加个”王顾左右而言他“之罪？急了？找不到材料反驳我说得就开始乱加罪名了？
我至始至终都在说越共变成了多数北越人的傀儡团体的事，“言他”了吗？