巴顿第三集团军(Patton 3rd Army)

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美军一般:2星少将师长,3星中将军长,4星上将集团军长,5星上将集团军群司令
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Major General, Lieutenant General, General, General of the Arm
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一星准将旅长

二星到五星相当于中国少将,中将,上将,大将。有的五星相当于元帅,比如马歇尔。

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师= division,军= Corps,集团军 = Army
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对的, Brigadier General
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美国陆军元帅应该是 General of the Armies;只有潘兴和华盛顿。
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对的,5星将军就是这么叫的
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海军元帅 (Admiral of the Navy) 只有一人:George Dewey
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除了上述两位,其他五星将军(陆军)是 General of the Army。不是 Armies.
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five 5-star generals: George C. Marshall, Douglas MacArthur, Dwi

five 5-star generals: George C. Marshall, Douglas MacArthur, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Henry H. Arnold, and Omar Bradley. https://study.com/learn/lesson/5-star-generals-in-us-history.html? 

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你说的这应该是对的,我以前还真没有注意到,谢谢提醒
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对。General of the armies 只封过二位,潘兴和华盛顾。其他五星Gen of the army 共有五位。
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Fleet Admiral William Halsey, Jr.
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Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy
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Fleet Admiral Ernest King
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Henry H. Arnold 同时有陆军和空军五星上将军衔
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Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz
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美历史上唯一5星陸军上将AND 5星空军上将。
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巴顿的第三集团军成立于1944年8月1日,下辖第8军、15军、20军和12军4个军。偶尔把其他军归于巴顿指挥,最多时是54万人。
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最可惜(也不公平)是 Raymond Ames Spruance 没有获五星海军上将衔。

作为弥补,国会后来规定 Spruance 的退休工资终生不变,跟现役时一样。这是同五星将军一样的。

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集团军群 = Army Group , 二战时布拉德利曾任第12集团军群司令,管4个集团军(1,3,9,15)
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原先是20余万人,1944年8月1日第1集团军和第3集团军合编为第12集团军群,由布拉德利指挥,大约40万人。
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集团军群(Army Group)司令一般 是5星
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第12集团军群管4个集团军(1, 3, 9, 15),总指挥布拉德利

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_United_States_Army_Group
 

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JCS布拉德利 got rank 5-star helped fire out Douglas MacArthur (Korea

布拉德利 Bradley got rank 5-star and as Chairman of Joint Chiefs-of-starf (JCS) helped fire out General Douglas MacArthur (Korean War) 5-star General

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布拉德利"wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with

"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional testimony as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of ...   The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" w/ China
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不错,就如我下面所说,1945年4月4日布拉德利共指挥130万人,而这时巴顿第3集团军共有17个师。

 

• 原先是只有20几万人,1944年8月1日第1集团军和第3集团军合编为第12集团军群,大约也只有40万人。 白云蓝天 -     (0 bytes) (2 reads) 10/21/2021  15:53:53

• 后曾另有2个军暂时归巴顿指挥,所以才说There were from time to time under the 3rd Ar 白云蓝天 -     (0 bytes) (2 reads) 10/21/2021  15:56:35

• There were from time to time under the 3rd Army 6 corps and 42 d 白云蓝天 -     (0 bytes) (0 reads) 10/21/2021  15:57:13

• 第3集团军哪里有100多万人?1945年4月4日布拉德利的第12集团军群共轄4个集团军(第1、3、9、15集团军),总兵力也大約 白云蓝天 -     (0 bytes) (8 reads) 10/21/2021  15:32:51

• 总兵力大约也只有130万人。 白云蓝天 -     (0 bytes) (1 reads) 10/21/2021  15:34:43

• 巴顿第三集团军成立于1944年8月1日,下辖第8军、15军、20军和12军4个军。偶尔把其他军归于巴顿指挥,最多时是54万人。 白云蓝天 -     (0 bytes) (3 reads) 10/21/2021  15:42:50

 

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布莱德利左派将军,平民出身。和巴顿,麦克,李奇微这些军人世家不可同日而语
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1941,Brigadier General Bradley, Col. Patton, Lt. Col. Eisenhower

1941,Brigadier General Bradley, Col. Patton, Lt. Col. Eisenhower,  Lt. Col. MacArthur 

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朝鲜战场死亡的沃克是三星将军,第八集团军司令,指挥20多万人。
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他是 也是左派的马歇尔 的弟子
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第8集团军建制不全相当于一个减编军(4个美国师),正式集团军管至少2个军12个师25万人左右
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巴顿开始任都3集团军长的时候也是3星,后来提为4星
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韩战时很不严格,第10军军长阿尔蒙德也是2星少将,和师长斯密斯巴达维一样
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他们应该都相当于4星吧?
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五星,Spruance是四星
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Montgomery's memoir's quote on Patton n Bradley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN1oTf7Lsl0
 

"I didn't pick you! Ike picked you." One the best dramatic scenes in the film, you can see Patton wilt (just) slightly when he realizes Bradley didn't ask for him.

quote was " Give me that 400,000 Gallons and I'll go through Europe like shit through a goose " This was Montgomery's memoir's

"If I had to choose between food or gas I will choose gas, my men can eat their belts but my tanks need fuel"

Eisenhower to Patton: "you are to bypass Trier because its heavily defended and will require at least 4 Divisions to capture"; Patton to Eisenhower: "have taken Trier with 2 Divisions; what do you want me to do, give it back?"

"I have a lot of faults . . . but ingratitide isn't one of them." I think this line just changed my life very, very slightly.

 

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噢,谢谢
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应该还有Nimiz。
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巴顿和布拉德利不是一路人,互相不喜欢。艾克和巴顿关系还不错
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Nimitz 是海軍五星上將。那五位是陸軍五星上將。