快牛走出了一条路。根据这篇报道

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sweetptt
楼主 (文学城)

https://www.investopedia.com/how-to-get-mortgage-relief-4800539

If your mortgage is backed by the federal government, provisions of the recently enacted CARES Act allow you to suspend payments for up to 12 months. In addition you will not be charged late fees or reported to credit bureaus. Foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for at least 60 days

 

延长6个月不会有任何记录。对银行来说要记仇就更是胡扯了。因为你交涉的是servicer,跟underwriter你最初的loan基本不是一家银行。即使最初underwriter跟servicer是一家银行,银行也不会有损失。因为你的loan是fed的二级市场买走了的。

只有像薯老爷这样基本商贷的没办法得自己扛。

 

 

田山碧水
不是银行记仇。虽然不报迟交,但会有no payment record。以后申请mortgage,银行会注意这一项。
田山碧水
已经有人在其他网站上讨论过这个问题了。
卒在征途
他赚了,等于(free) cash out from home equities.
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sweetptt
嗯。
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USATiger
只看快牛吃肉,是不是十个房客没付钱呵呵
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Progressive
但是underwrite会看你的信用报告里每个月的loan payment记录,6个月没有payment。

underwrite是贷款真正的把关人。没有办法的话这样做是救自己,否则没必要去影响可能以后要做的贷款。

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MrsKwok
快牛就是一阵风一阵雨的...扛得过去,最好不要搞这个delay.又不是不用付以后....
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slow_quick
好像中间还有麻烦,Servicer 要自己先垫钱进去。。。

Borrower => Servicer => Invester

GSE (government sponsored enterprise, Fannie and Freddie) 收保费,borrower default 他们赔

但是要 servicer 先垫付。servicer 垫不出,又要什么救济方案

 

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sweetptt
联邦已经出了条例。你这个属于忧天一类了。
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sweetptt
servicer付给二房,是二级市场。二房由fed兜着
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sweetptt
快牛吃点肉应该的。他每天要跟老婆练拳击
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sweetptt
快牛半年10几万就是4-5个房子
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wuid
no relief for servicers yet.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fannie-freddie-unlikely-to-aid-mortgage-companies-as-payments-dry-up-fhfa-chief-says-11586289067 Fannie, Freddie Unlikely to Aid Mortgage Companies as Payments Dry Up, FHFA Chief Says
Mark Calabria says he sees no evidence of systemic crisis among nonbank servicers

By Andrew Ackerman
Updated April 7, 2020 4:26 pm ET

A top U.S. regulator said he isn’t likely to heed mortgage companies’ calls to help ease the cash-flow crunch they are expecting when Americans who lose their jobs stop making mortgage payments.

Mark Calabria, who heads the Federal Housing Finance Agency, described industry concerns as “spin.” In an interview on Tuesday, he also said he doesn’t see it as the role of government-backed housing-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which he oversees, to help the mortgage companies.

“I’ve seen zero [evidence] to suggest that there’s a systemic crisis across the nonbank servicers,” Mr. Calabria said. “If this goes on for a year, maybe. But I think the frustration here is a lot of just misrepresentation.”

Mortgage companies, such as Mr. Cooper Group Inc. and Quicken Loans Inc., collect payments from homeowners and pass them on to investors who hold securities issued by Fannie and Freddie.

The mortgage companies are on the hook to continue payments to investors even if homeowners fall behind. The companies are eventually reimbursed by Fannie and Frannie, but the process could take several months.

Normally this isn’t a problem. But the mortgage companies, also known as servicers, are bracing for a cash crunch as homeowners take advantage of a government offer to suspend payments during the coronavirus pandemic. The offer is part of the $2.2 trillion relief package enacted last month.

The industry has spent weeks lobbying Congress and the Trump administration to establish a lending facility to help finance the billions of dollars of payments they will be obligated to make to mortgage investors.

Advancing payments to investors could prove difficult, since many of the servicers aren’t banks and don’t have deposits or other business lines to cushion them. Such nonbank lenders originate about 60% of all U.S. mortgages, and roughly 40% of those are guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie and sold to investors.

Former industry officials said the inability of mortgage servicers to finance these payments is already crimping consumers’ ability to get new loans.

“Congress and the administration have an obligation to support the forbearance program that they themselves put into place, or they risk further credit contraction, which is only going to make the recovery far harder,” said David Stevens, a former head of the Federal Housing Administration, which mostly insures loans for first-time home buyers.

Mr. Calabria said his agency isn’t seeing the alarming levels of forbearance requests estimated by some industry groups, which have suggested that up to 25% or more of borrowers would seek payment relief. At present, the figure is closer to 2% for Fannie and Freddie borrowers, he said, citing industry statistics through April 1.

Mr. Calabria said his job is to ensure the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, government-backed entities that are pillars of the $10 trillion housing market.

The role Fannie and Freddie play in a downturn is “not to bail out people in the industry,” he said. “Their countercyclical role is to provide mortgage credit, and I see no evidence that that is not happening.”

Write to Andrew Ackerman at [email protected]
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Progressive
奇怪,难道你从来都不读你的信用报告吗?每个月的各种贷款的付不付的情况都show出来的。

这和联邦这个法令没有冲突呀。人家underwrite不笨,会把你整个信用报告读遍的。

我可能是属于忧天一类。我老早就说过这个风险问题而且点名提醒快牛了,人家根本不听。幸好他命好,现在是trump时代trump是生意人尤其房地产生意人,对地主作了这个保护。如果是O8时代金融危机时,很多人就是这样撑不住多久把房子全都还给了银行的。做房地产还是保守点眼光远点好,不要只看眼前利益。

 

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Silvercharm
“对银行来说要记仇就更是胡扯了” - I can confirm!

我可以证实 - lenders 近两周专门来电问寒暖。Interest only payment, or complete loan deferment, 如果要求48小时内办到。

 underwriter是贷款真正的把关人? - 或许没有错, 可是到了一定程度 他们95% rubber stamp lending officer. 

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Progressive
金融危机不就是fed hold不住,二房的股票马上跌到几分。三个大银行/security,BOA顶下一个,fed拿下一个,

李曼兄弟没有人可以hold,导致金融crash。fed接管二房。

现在房客用行政命令保护了,房东银行可以托住,但是真正危险的银行业政府还是没有出什么保护令。所以现在风险还是在的。要看trump怎么做了,现在还很难说会到怎么个情况。所以地主最好现在把自己的口袋加深,hold住口袋看机会。现在还不是出手的时候呢。

记得你第一个房出手是10年是好机会,而不是08年。08年出手的很多地方都后悔S了。

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sweetptt
我有很多账号也不是需要每月都付
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Progressive
人家都会要了解清楚该付不该付才会贷给你的咯。不要误会,我并不是说都不要去做这个delay,而是要根据

自己的情况做决定。不要觉得不做白不做,有的时候可能会有后遗症,也要考虑的。

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big_canon
錯!是當時的財長John Paulson及Fed等決定不救雷曼。
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Progressive
没看到有啥free啊,不还是要还的吗?
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big_canon
金融危机开始於2007年Bear Stearns 兩个对冲基金被margin call 後关门开始。
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big_canon
那是最早的兩個multi strategy 对冲基金死於mortgage back layer.
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IEbird
investor 买的不是次贷,多数是政府担保的房贷,不会因疫情甩卖penny on the dollar?
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big_canon
聞説Mnuchin是要走著瞧。未知現時怎下手。
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Progressive
Bear Stearn只是前奏,是08年三个银行同时撑不住造成的crash开始。要不然就应该是07金融危机而不是08金融危机了。

布什找了几个银行只有BOA努力hold一个,fed只能hold一个。才导致百年银行李曼兄弟倒台,拉起了金融风暴的连锁反应。

没意思,不和你争论这个了。我只是想说并不是fed总是可以全部hold的,fed要权衡很多利益关系。所以现在就是要看trump怎么做了。

要承认这个事实,金融危机让很多有产阶级变成了穷人。美国已经再也折腾不起了。这个后果政府应该要考虑。

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big_canon
兄弟,雷曼不是銀行呀,是投行呀!雷曼倒是因為CDS。雷曼跟BOA銀行是不同的。的
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big_canon
BOA 是因為CountryWide。你說一下她們當時的股權關係。為什麼倒。我到過CWide的trading floor.完全不

完全不像銀行。

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Progressive
当然是投行/security呀,没必要抠字眼吧。要不然这么多人恨wall street干嘛,不都是他们搞出来的名堂

导致美国现在这么糟糕。

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Progressive
BOA已经买了烂CountryWide以后,布什再要Lewis take 烂 Merrill Lynch,导致BOA处在cras

BOA的股票跌到3块多一点undervalue了。BOA当时的CEO Lewis号召BOA的director以上的都去买BOA的股票support自己的银行。然后很多投资人跟进把BOA的股票提升了上来。我到现在还hold这个股票呢,为什么不买,Lewis这样说话 政府肯定会撑住这个银行/投行,像fed hold C一样。

我们投资人只需要了解该了解的信息,没必要跟你比知道多少信息吧。读东东要读到要点好不好。

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big_canon
是中共病毒令全球糟央!日後當有報應。
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Progressive
我是说08年金融危机这次导致美国太多穷人了美国到现在还没有喘过气来。
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hhtt
美国穷人永远不可能喘过气来,如果他们自己不努力的话!
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Progressive
必须承认很多原来的中产一直都是很努力的。只是那些一直靠政府的人就靠着了。
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hhtt
美国政府没有叫BOA买美林,是BOA买了美林,发现坏账比他们想象的多几十倍,想跑,美国政府才拿出几十亿硬要BOA吃下美林!
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Progressive
BOA先买下CountryWide,发现很多坏账。其实买下CountryWide时BOA已经很吃力了,BOA还有能力买美林?

那三个银行/投行本来就要倒台还有啥好帐?

美国政府给钱是以后的事,情形已经比较明朗了。

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big_canon
最後”救”或幫BOA的可以算上其中一間國企银行,BOA 有10%?股份。數年後高位賣股後冲走壞賬。