肠镜胃镜 · 麻醉

欲千北
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看到有网友要做肠镜,胃镜,想起一个实际例子。朋友X,去国内一家医院做胃镜。医生竭力推荐无痛胃镜,说这样好,没有任何不适。X接受了这个建议。原来无痛胃镜 = 全麻胃镜。但做完胃镜后第二天,就发现咽喉不舒服,吞咽困难。后来有段时间经常吃东西时咽不下去,咳不出来,非常难受,而且出现胃食管反流。X怀疑医生做胃镜时出了点问题,但X的家人认为不会。现在几年过去了,到底是怎么回事,不清楚,也无法弄清楚了。

X和我交谈时,我说,我做过肠镜和胃镜,都拒绝用麻药。除了考虑麻药的副作用,另一个考虑就是我的意识清醒,医生镜检时可能会小心一些,动作柔和一些。

医生的责任心和爱心是最重要的,绝大多数医生是好的。我的经验,不用麻药,镜检时有点难受,但可以忍受。

新北京混混
美国都用麻药。我做了几次人家根本都不问你意见。没必要自己跟自己过不去。
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Shanghaigirl98
我的是我妇产科医生推荐的肠镜医生,因为她和她先生都在他那里做。 建议你有医生朋友的话让他们来推荐他们用过的。

我做的是上麻。

w
willows
医生有不同喜好,有的手术室是全麻,有的不是,要多打听一下

During My Upcoming Colonoscopy?

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Posted May 23, 2017 by  Benjamin Krevsky, MD, MPH

Many people are nervous about getting a colonoscopy performed. The most common concerns are the preparation, the need to take time off from work, finding out that they might have cancer, embarrassment and pain during the procedure. This prevents many individuals from having the very procedure that could save their lives.

While most people know that there have been great improvements in the cleansing preparations (less volume, better taste), and less time off from work (open access colonoscopy eliminates the office visit needed prior to the examination), very few people know much about the types of sedation that are available.

First, it will be helpful to define the various levels of sedation that are possible.

None. That means that no medications are given. ‘Nuf said. Very few people choose this option.
Light sedation. This is just what it sounds like. Although one is sleepy, the patient can still respond to verbal commands and can feel pain. There is no effect on breathing or cardiovascular function.
Moderate sedation (also called Conscious Sedation). This is a little deeper than light sedation, yet the patient can respond purposefully to verbal or physical stimulation. There is usually little or no effect on ventilation or cardiovascular function (low risk). Most patients will have no memory of the procedure while under moderate sedation.
Deep sedation. This is deeper still, and patients will respond to repeated painful stimulation, but usually non-purposefully. Breathing may be impaired, as may cardiovascular function. The patient will have no memory of what happened while under deep sedation (amnesia).
General anesthesia. In this case, the patient does not respond to painful stimulation at all. Breathing is usually impaired, and airways support and ventilation are usually needed (e.g., a tube placed in the lungs and a ventilator machine providing air). Cardiovascular function may be impaired as well.

The level of planned anesthesia determines who will be administering the sedation. For example, light or moderate sedation are usually administered by the gastroenterologist performing the procedure. Deep sedation and general anesthesia are administered by a nurse anesthetist or anesthesiologist.

Most patients tell me that they want to be totally asleep during the procedure (“Just knock me out, Doc.”) That would mean general anesthesia. But this level has a higher risk for a complication, so when I explain the options, most patients are agreeable to a lower level of anesthesia.

Pros and Cons of Different Levels of Sedation for Colonoscopy

None. I perform totally unsedated colonoscopy about once or twice a month. This is in patients who – for various reasons – do not want any sedation. The big advantage is that the patient recovers immediately after the procedure and can go to work or drive right away. They do not need anyone to accompany them home. It also eliminates the possible complications that can occur with any form of anesthesia. While the procedure itself can cause some cramping or gassy abdominal pain, this can be minimized through the use of carbon dioxide to inflate the colon and special techniques to advance the scope. If you want this, make sure that the gastroenterologist has experience doing unsedated colonoscopy. You don’t want to be the doctor’s first one!
Light sedation. This is rarely done. Since medications are administered, the risk of complications is present. Also, the patient will need to be accompanied home and should not do regular activities until the next day. But since the sedation is light, there is no effect on pain –the patient feels and remembers everything.
Moderate sedation. This is one of the most common forms of sedation used. The medications are usually midazolam and fentanyl – a mild sedative and a pain killer. This is a nice, safe combination, and usually causes amnesia for the procedure. The risk is if too much is given. To avoid this, it is given slowly, with appropriate monitoring. At Temple University Hospital, the doctor and a nurse are with the patient the whole time. The vast majority of patients are satisfied with this sedation.
MAC. This stands for Monitored Anesthesia Care. It is administered by an anesthesia professional who is in the room with the gastroenterologist and a nurse or technician. This is usually selected when there are concerns about the patient’s lungs, heart, or tolerance to midazolam or fentanyl. The medicine used for this type of sedation is propofol - yes, the same medicine that was abused by Michael Jackson. However, unlike Michael Jackson, the propofol for colonoscopy is given by a trained professional under constant supervision and monitoring. The depth of sedation with MAC is sometime moderate sedation, but is usually deep sedation.
General anesthesia. This is almost never used for colonoscopy. General anesthesia is usually reserved for patients with severe lung disease, unstable airways, and particularly long procedures.

So How Do I Decide What Type of Sedation I Should Get for My Colonoscopy?

It’s simple – talk to your doctor. If you are meeting with the gastroenterologist before the procedure, simply ask what type of sedation is planned. Discuss the pros and cons, and of course, your preferences and concerns. If you are scheduled for open access colonoscopy, you can call the office of the gastroenterologist prior to the procedure to see what is planned. If you want to discuss the sedation further, you should be able to speak with a nurse or doctor prior to the procedure to allay your concerns.

While we can’t make the bowel preparation more pleasant, we certainly can make the actual procedure a comfortable one

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TBz
是Sedation,不是大手术那种全麻。
欲千北
谢谢上面各位。
p
pickshell
+1,医生可依据不同人调整Sedation剂量,处于清醒/半清醒 或睡眠状态。
勿来三
国内有有痛和无痛的选项

 

差别是300块钱

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hz82000
这个不亚于上刑,其实用麻醉的好处至少病人配合
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26351
谢谢这么详细的介绍!!
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tryonetry
几月前做的(美国),不叫麻醉,叫Sedation,喝一小杯奶状液体,一下就睡过去了,半点感觉都没有,沉沉地睡了一觉,醒来在恢复室

几月前做的(美国),不叫麻醉,叫Sedation,喝一小杯奶状液体,一下就睡过去了,半点感觉都没有,沉沉地睡了一觉,醒来在恢复室。消化道无后续感觉。

令狐冲.
做任何事情都有做得好做得坏的,连厨师都有好有坏,而且真正好的还并不多。
似曾相識
腸鏡有次是Sedation,全過程我都清醒聽見他們說話,有次是全麻
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FollowNature
你们这些做过的,请问是不是真的有必要做?本人近六十,每次看家庭医生都问我要不要做肠镜?我一直都犹豫。
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goingplace
喉咙不舒是胃镜碰伤了喉壁,跟麻醉无关。
g
goingplace
应该做,如有问题,可以及早发现。
欲千北
我的意思,如果不用麻醉,医生会注意,手脚会轻一些,碰伤喉咙几率降低。
白镜天
很好奇。不麻醉肠镜检查,美国肠科大夫能爽快同意吗?如果只麻中间,不麻头脚,医生能答应吗?希望下次我也这样。
欲千北
美国医生问我,肠镜是否麻醉?他倾向于麻醉。我回答,不要麻醉。他爽快答应。镜检时和我互动良好,交谈甚欢。
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stillsingle
做胃镜不麻是啥感觉?病人要是挣扎起来会更容易受伤吧。
欲千北
鼻腔深部和咽喉很不舒服,但不疼。病人是否挣扎,与病人个体有关,也与医生技术和是否为病人着想有关。只能自己决定。

我觉得自己有足够的忍耐性,事实也确实如此。

白镜天
谢谢!下次我也不用麻醉。
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julie116
肠镜好像有两种。一种只是直肠部位,迷幻药就可以了。另一个要上行到

腹部的,应该必须全麻

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stillsingle
佩服你的定力!我肯定不行,做个MRI都躺的难受。
欲千北
要是太难受了,出来可别骂我啊。