ZT: Emerging cases of Covid-19 reinfection

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fuz
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https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

Covid-19 may also be much worse the second time around. During his first infection, my patient experienced a mild cough and sore throat. His second infection, in contrast, was marked by a high fever, shortness of breath, and hypoxia, resulting in multiple trips to the hospital.

Recent reports and conversations with physician colleagues suggest my patient is not alone. Two patients in New Jersey, for instance, appear to have contracted Covid-19 a second time almost two months after fully recovering from their first infection. Daniel Griffin, a physician and researcher at Columbia in New York, recently described a case of presumed reinfection on the This Week in Virology podcast.

It is possible, but unlikely, that my patient had a single infection that lasted three months. Some Covid-19 patients (now dubbed “long haulers”) do appear to suffer persistent infections and symptoms.

My patient, however, cleared his infection — he had two negative PCR tests after his first infection — and felt healthy for nearly six weeks.

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I am aware that my patient represents a sample size of one, but taken together with other emerging examples, outlier stories like his are a warning sign of a potential pattern. If my patient is not, in fact, an exception, but instead proves the rule, then many people could catch Covid-19 more than once, and with unpredictable severity.

 

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fuz
这位医生注意到两种情况:1.初病轻,转阴,几月后再度中招,病较重;2.持续轻症数月,时阳时阴。提示:群免?呵呵
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lawattaction
我理解你的意思。说明:群体免疫不可信 ,身体里的抗体2-3月后就消失了。
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lawattaction
也说明,疫苗也是无望的
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fuz
群免也许可能,但不能偏信。改善体质,治基础病,保持隔离,三者不可或缺
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fuz
疫苗也许有用,但不是万能的。比如,打了流感疫苗,有些人仍然会得流感,但总体病例数会少很多
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pickshell
群体免疫是“没办法”遮羞布。66%人口染病才能达群体免疫,那得死多少人啊。

群体免疫理想的前提条件:按美国3亿人口算,得至少2亿人染病+同时还得有足够免疫抗体+不考虑病毒变异。
目前距66%那群体免疫标准还差得老远呢,能获得抗体量和持续时间还都未知,。
就算这理论是真的,假设理想条件也都能成立,放任病毒横行肆虐,那得死多少人作为代价啊。

孤舟渔翁
很奇怪,医学界为什么不研究用提高人体免疫力的方法应对C-19病毒?

难道医学界找不到提高人体免疫力的方法吗?

始终认为,疫苗是弱化病毒让普通的人体免疫力学会战胜病毒;但是如果能够强化提高人体免疫力就可以让强化提高后的人体免疫力直接战胜病毒。我的这个想法有错吗?

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dudaan
渔翁兄好久不见

好奇有没有人实践了你的方法来治疗新冠。

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gweipwu
还有戴口罩和洗手(包括戴手套等):在不可避免的情况下尽量减少病毒浓度进入人体。
吃与活
你的想法没错,只是做不到

提高免疫力,没个指标怎么知道是否提高了。提高了,是否就能足够抗病?其实,细胞因子风暴可以说是免疫力强造成的。

历史上有练金钟罩的,据说刀枪不入。也许抗打击能力是强些,但能挡住子弹?

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dudaan
我在四月曾贴过一贴,我州一白人女士二次感染
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tryyyyyy
同意。 要有个特异性指标来显示经过这种方法处理后与对照组有显著差异的数据,才有人有兴趣来进一步的治疗研究。
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kai2002
也许根本就没有好,表面的死了,深层次的只是潜伏下来,等免疫系统功能下降,再次爆发。
孤舟渔翁
也希望有相关的信息。
孤舟渔翁
说到金钟罩,铁布衫,那也是击打自身,但有益无害,也许能说明所谓“应激疗法“可能不会造成细胞因子风暴。

以前太过于侧重应激反应,应该说利用应激刺激是可以激活整个免疫体系的。