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South_CA_dad
楼主 (文学峸)

具体说,不是简单的S和H,而是S和H/NEC双学位(包括音乐)之间的选择。NEC= New England Conservatory of Music.

准备学CS。如果简单地选S或H,大概率会选S(有option可以只选H不选NEC,但暂时不考虑这个option)。

H/NEC五年制双学位,四年本科,第五年音乐硕士。这个项目每年招约5-7名学生。(学费要多交一年,另外前四年每年还要多交大约一万给NEC,但这不是主要考虑因素)。Upside是继续专业的音乐训练,并到东部见世面,或者说体验不一样的环境。Downside是CS不如S, 五年制音乐硕士增加不确定性。

紫檀父母有很多brain power, 希望回答中会看到没想到的,正反意见都想听听。已经“咨询”过ChatGPT(下面我会post),回答很圆满,也很圆滑:-)。

周末愉快!

 

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South_CA_dad
101 楼
谢谢不同意见的讨论,会参考。不一一回复了。
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South_CA_dad
100 楼
感觉这两个正好相反setup

C/J四年变5年,要考试。

H/N5年变4年,就是放弃了。

都有利有弊。

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South_CA_dad
99 楼
这是说H到M吧?去NEC更远
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South_CA_dad
98 楼
5月一日前总得放弃一个
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South_CA_dad
97 楼
要是很坚定就容易了

 

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South_CA_dad
ChatGPT回答

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randomness
太牛了啊。放弃H这个会舍不得吧
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phoenix05
如果娃是那种有赚钱渴望,创业激情,不满足于平凡人生的理科强的娃,建议选S。

如果不是典型的题目里说到的那种娃,就无脑选H。

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STEMkid
到底将来想做什么?为啥学CS
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randomness
他有NEC双学位啊。这不是简单H还是S了
米汤
前几年不少北加高中学生读cs的在这两之间都选了H,可能S太熟悉而东部是诗与远方。这几年大厂收缩,在S读cs钢琴都会受影响

而H选择比较多,同时做钢琴的也不少,在S几乎没有。

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island09
我觉着自己很惭愧,我女儿本科研究生我都没管过。更别说专业选择了

我唯一做的就是给足钱,让她自由自在做自己喜欢的。现在的结果是:她对钱无所谓:)说是对物质享受没兴趣,更追求career 成功

所以我会让孩子自己选

 

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phoenix05
音乐如果不打算以它谋生,拿个学位没有必要吧。

我觉得还是看娃性格。如果是那种开朗阳光,思想很活跃,喜欢交友,有creative thinking的能力,理科又很拔尖的,选S over H 可能更适合。

我家也是同时中了H和S,但我娃不是上面所说的类型,所以无脑选了H。

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randomness
这水平不是普通EC了。
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South_CA_dad
She likes AI, but may take some EE classes as well.
成功的小猴
似乎是要?????音乐、那这样不就只能选H吗?
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HappyWed
孩子的dream是什么
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phoenix05
楼主娃音乐上肯定非常有造诣,不是普通拿奖水平,但毕竟不会以后以此谋生的。再说音乐出色也不在乎文凭。
成功的小猴
如果这样应该S吧。她自己喜欢哪个?
追求平凡
这种东西越考虑越乱。果断

是关键。

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randomness
其实本科上H不会错。尤其他这情况。音乐也得跟教授认真学才能成家
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windyLL
这种双学位听着好,但实际上,你音乐学不过专业音乐学院的人,因为练习时间不够,另外的H的生活也没过好

因为你没时间去参加各种clubs和活动,那才是大学生活的重点。最后两边疲于奔命,都没搞好。选一头吧,另一边当爱好继续玩。

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tibuko
这个profile,为什么要学CS,这个没讲清楚没法判断
追求平凡
想想我们当年,由娃定。
追求平凡
最后,心想事成,皆大欢喜。

因为,娃知道他要啥。

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BeLe
做马友友,George Li?
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windyLL
音乐对于除了几个天才以外的所有人,实质上都是EC,爱到骨子里的EC,还是EC。
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island09
什么是EC?elective course ? 我女儿本科 minor music
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HappyWed
为了谋生赚钱?
其乐无穷
为了今后不后悔选H.
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phoenix05
如果没打算以此为职业真没必要。

一个人的时间,精力都是有限的。多出些时间社交,玩耍,认识朋友更值得。

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tibuko
那去哪儿都行,读了CS,找个吃饭的工作还是问题不大
篱笆08
这个选择权只能交给孩子自己。只有她知道自己到底是真爱音乐,还是因为一直做得很好,顺水推舟不自觉地走到了这一步。

如果真爱,她会毫不犹豫地选择H,如果觉得自己只是一路过关斩将,不知不觉就走到这一步,当然应该去S。在加州S学CS是得天独厚的条件。

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STEMkid
音乐你女儿肯定不甘心放弃,让她自己选吧,我猜她会选H
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STEMkid
没准人家将来改主意要以音乐为职业呢
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South_CA_dad
两位都有道理,比如说pop和classical voice就很不一样
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South_CA_dad
这和我们了解的一致:朋友中有位钢琴很出色(YA level)的S学生最近没有参加音乐方面的活动
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LilyBD
提醒你一下 H到NEC红线转绿线 地铁不坏 完美衔接情况下45分钟,俺那天从M到H那站 就龟爬了20分钟
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South_CA_dad
做了三年的ML,喜欢AI
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LilyBD
走路面估计10分钟都到了 不是每天这样 最近频繁一些
米汤
应该是,S quarter 很赶的而且duck syndrome,钢琴会没时间
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tibuko
古话说不博二兔,有双学位的,很多是互补的,比如Eng+Business,专业音乐和专业CS,这两个得选一个为主
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tibuko
这也对,这也是为什么所谓M和H互相选课实际真的做的人很少
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LilyBD
我儿子有个同学,哥大和朱莉亚双学位

也是CS,大二开始intern, 大四就有了挺好的CS工作,好像没用五年,表面看和其他CS孩子出路区别不大,以后也不打算搞音乐,但听说音乐才是他的真爱,小中没那么多家底可以只搞音乐。你女儿如果不喜欢音乐不会报名H这个program , 让她放弃估计很不舍,让她自己决定吧,同时考虑一下我说的 commute 时间,我女儿当年放弃了艺术双学位,因为那个art school 哪怕坐他们大学的shuttle 路上也会堵车一小时, 波士顿地方不大,traffic 能把娃整疯,地铁红线整天修理,绿线不坏但是比走路还慢 哈哈
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LilyBD
这个问题不大 走路就行了 冬天有点困难
夏云
1路公交车可以直接到。可别因为地铁慢放弃啊
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South_CA_dad
说到了重点,最好的音乐学院是Curtis和Juilliard。所花的时间也要看具体项目

乐器一般都要花很多时间。Vocal相对较少。

夏云
我认识一个两校双学位的孩子,现在毕业了,现在专业音乐

在H的学位是经济

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South_CA_dad
是不是还有一趟的公交车?不用转的。Uber也行,比学费便宜多了,可以和同学拼车。
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South_CA_dad
大概次数不太频繁?
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LVHawaii
我儿子同学也是Columbia Econ和朱利亚的小提琴双学位,后来

在NYU斯登读了博士,去大学做了tenure track assistant professor. 

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South_CA_dad
确实,好像这个双学位不少选择了音乐作为职业。
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South_CA_dad
和这位情况比较接近,谢谢
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Numero
知道几个小孩把音乐当第二学位的,有的大学以后放弃了,可能不是真爱。。。
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windyLL
听起来你家是voice,如果老师已经在NEC了,那可以继续,就去H,如果需要经常去NYC audition,也去H。

如果重点是CS,那S的资源无以伦比。

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South_CA_dad
是四年制还是五年制的?
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South_CA_dad
肯定有,不知百分比是多少
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LilyBD
不清楚bus , 避开下午四点多时间 打车应该还好,不堵车其实并不远, 走半个多小时都可以到
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LilyBD
最近很糟糕 可能在修理什么,疫情之前差不多2周会有一次慢的要死或者坏掉情况
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phoenix05
EC就是课外活动
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phoenix05
什么样的音乐职业呢?
夏云
还行,你到mbta.com上查一下时刻表,还挺频繁的
夏云
因为这些孩子的音乐才能出众,恭喜你女儿!
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tibuko
不对,走路很远,地铁也是两站,而且H其实spread out,回宿舍挺远
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LVHawaii
四年
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island09
哈 谢谢
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South_CA_dad
希望很渺茫,但十年亲谁会预料今天有chatGPT呢?世界变化太快
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Croissant_22
我们学校去年有个牛娃在S和哥大/朱莉亚之间选了S
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DukeAB
南加州 S > H, 天气+方便娃妈探望 :)
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South_CA_dad
绝对是让孩子自己选。我们不给意见,但其他人的不同意见会转达。
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South_CA_dad
那是单学位,也挺好
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South_CA_dad
我或许知道你说的是谁,弹钢琴的是吧
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South_CA_dad
同感,最后这点对父母最重要,但我们想好了,不参与决定

可怜天下父母心

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LilyBD
是啊 忘记中间还一站 central square
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South_CA_dad
谢谢
三河匹夫
如果肯定有music passion, H/NEC 无疑。
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DukeAB
CS+ music 的情况看,music大多数都是最终会成为业余爱好:)
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South_CA_dad
这是因为CS相对其他一些专业来说更容易找工作吧
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windyLL
有特殊的,认识一个Y的CS+music,出来就是做音乐,很苦的,但不变初心,到欧洲学作曲去了。
三河匹夫
楼主的孩子大概肯定是已体现出music 潜力,凤毛麟角的talent,混到按米计的 IT 人堆了实在埋没了。
三河匹夫
人生就一次,难得几回搏。
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tennisluv
+1 搞艺术要去东部,至少目前是这样。
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LVHawaii
有啥区别?In the end, 人不可能干二样。
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Wakeland
能进S和H,不用担心找不到工作吧,年轻应该追梦
无言无语无声
要是我选H。见不同环境和城市,对于音乐家尤为重要。但两头必须舍取。一个要到处演出试唱,一个要熬夜钻研。
吹着吹着就牛了
这个应该和H的气场合,到东部来不会后悔
原來是這樣
可以建議您看一下彈琴Annie Zhou 的LinkedIn for reference, 音樂與CS 的路口選擇.
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South_CA_dad
谢谢一手信息。算了一下., Uber/Lyft 一年多两三千, 学费的零头

还可以拼车

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South_CA_dad
谢谢!这个例子比较特别,P和Juilliard没有合作,所以她是分开学的
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South_CA_dad
音乐老师都没有建议单学音乐,所以没有申请Curtis和Juilliard
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South_CA_dad
谢谢

用脑子应该选S,用心选大概是H/NEC

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South_CA_dad
这些practical information 太重要了,谢谢

知道有带乐器的学生被Uber司机要求乐器放在trunk里面,学生说我的乐器不能离手。乐器的价值大概超过了Uber汽车:-)。至少voice的学生没这个问题。

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South_CA_dad
是要紫檀40万还是诗和远方:-)
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South_CA_dad
去欧洲是个option,希望孩子不要去,太远了
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South_CA_dad
你是说cs要熬夜钻研?那大概要看了
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South_CA_dad
好的,谢谢
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South_CA_dad
This is success in my book

As long as she can suppoort herself

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South_CA_dad
She is passionate about performing, but

Understands that it is exceptionally difficult to pursue a career in music

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South_CA_dad
倒不是担心找不到工作

而是S的CS比H强太多了,和MiT, CMU, UCB  相当。

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South_CA_dad
有道理
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South_CA_dad
要是很坚定就容易了
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South_CA_dad
5月一日前总得放弃一个