It’s impossible to get into Literary Arts courses. If you aren’t interested in taking creative writing courses, then maybe this doesn’t matter to you. But the fact that a student can try to get into a Literary Arts course every semester they are at Brown and not take a single one? (For example, David Levithan, a now-bestselling author, was only able to get into one Literary Arts course while he was a student at Brown.) That’s, quite frankly, disgraceful.
Because one is bright enough to have figured out that there will be a significant difference between being trained by TAs on Harvard and Yale’s factory floors, and having substantive, intimate, daily and hourly contact with Williams faculty who are experts in their field.
So we’re clear here: I was offered Harvard’s Presidential Scholarship, which is essentially a hidden merit scholarship which covers costs at Harvard plus grad school, and the equivalent at Williams and Cornell. (I’d already eliminated Yale from consideration at the time).
A few dozen of my friends chose Harvard instead, and I visited them a lot. It was an interesting comparison.
At Harvard, they had a lecture with several hundred people, and then separated sections with teaching assistants who are in the first or second year of their careers.
At Williams, my average class size was 6.7, with tenured professors, several of whom, like Robert Friedrichs, had acheived the highest honors in their discipline. (I had Bob 2-on-1 for a tutorial on the core works of Anthropology and Sociology).
Frequently, I dropped by Bob’s and other professors’ houses, whose locations were familiar to me and other students. I ran into faculty in the hallways and shops, and continued discussions— both academic, personal and administrative.
By the time I was a third-year at Williams, I was a teaching assistant for first and second-years— the equivalent of the people providing the majority of teaching of undergrads at Harvard.
In summary, I’d estimate I had 30 to 40 hours of direct contact with Ph.D. faculty, most tenured, per week at Williams. At Harvard, I would have had 3 to 5.
This is reason 1 of 10 that I could have listed for choosing Williams over Harvard. (*Hey, as an undergrad, I could walk into Herb Allen’s kitchen, because I knew where the door was*).
The next 9 reasons are just as good.
9 out of 10 people choose Harvard or Yale over Williams because of name recognition or perceived prestige. They are absolutely wrong — at 18, you don’t perceive prestige the way the rest of the world does, and 8 out of 10 parents understand little more than “it’s the Ivy League.”
Among those who know the difference in quality between massive shops like Yale and places such as Amherst, there is equal prestige. Among the halls of the institutions whose members preserve the unique relationship between the US and the UK, the fields where Jenny Jerome gave Williams Royal Purple as our color, at the first baseball game, a few years before she became Lady Churchill, are well remembered and regarded.
Such histories and traditions matter, bind us together and create relationships and opportunities— and give Williams and Amherst and Swarthmore and Dartmouth and a host of other small institutions, as much prestige where it matters, as Harvard.
You’ve heard of Lehman Bros. because of the news: the Brothers were class of 1868, Lehman Hall was named after them, and about 3% of alums worked for the great House they built, before it was allowed to fall.
If you’re interested in Finance and Economics, including developmental economics, The Wall Street Journal has called Williams “the West Point of Wall Street.” There are similar close connections in the worlds of art, journalism, intelligence, and so on, which rival any opportunities Harvard may open.
Having the oldest alumni society in the nation, alumni giving at Williams tops 75%, far more than other institutions— a sign of the fondness and closeness of the alumni, our enduring deep belief in the institutions, our support— and our wealth.
But the core difference is the quality of the education. You go to Williams or Amherst or their equivalents, to become a broadly educated person, just embarking on a lifetime of learning.
Harvard and Yale, over their histories, have simply rarely provided a level of education that approaches that at Williams. One might as well go to Cal, or Wharton, or Penn State — or forbid, Brown.
Surely the above is true of at least Amherst as well.
拿EC当敲门砖,浪费财力物力费劲爬藤确实是一种有毒文化,藤在鼓励这种文化.是反教育的
真藤娃以教育为重心,而不是功利爬藤,一切顺其自然,就没性价比不高的弊端
就是最近让40万/100万搞的有点焦虑
一边是鱼一边是熊掌
反而比较注重州大和CMU这类学校的课程设置.Hornor Program, Scholarship, etc.
好不容易毕业了，进大厂的估计也不到1/4
Coding monkey 而已，过几年还是被藤校生领导
藤出来的四十万比州立，包括你崇拜的旗舰州立，多多了，人家低调不吭声而已。你砸藤都砸糊涂了。
第一次听说Brown选不上课时我惊呆了
想学也没门儿。cs 热翻天了，总不能门门课都一千人大课啊，当然有些课不能随便选
主要差别在人,不在学校
差别和藤很大的。
你可以说人和人没差别，都是从生到死
按部就班都没有，像跳课都有
都是比 看到的或者道听途说，那我就加点面粉，浆糊更稠点
这些条件叠加起来不一定比藤差.总体学校水平有差异,但最后还是要落在具体个人身上
It’s impossible to get into Literary Arts courses. If you aren’t interested in taking creative writing courses, then maybe this doesn’t matter to you. But the fact that a student can try to get into a Literary Arts course every semester they are at Brown and not take a single one? (For example, David Levithan, a now-bestselling author, was only able to get into one Literary Arts course while he was a student at Brown.) That’s, quite frankly, disgraceful.
https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/media/44935/2020-rs_number-of-winners-by-institution.pdf
州立也有很优秀的学生，但整体上藤的学生更好，资源也好。资源也包括寻找配偶时候pool 的质量大小啊
也一样值得。
他在家乡很多人都知道他，感觉特别好，结果上大学第一年居然连选课都竞争不过。慢慢在第三年才好起来
一年两载的就赚出来了，有什么hard feeling呢？
这个坛子不是老说四十万，二十万的，就算二十万，三年就出来了。跟我娃没关。我娃彻底赔了。LOL
不存在纠结.:-)
Not in New York market except for some tiny niches.
我们对资源定义不一样。
娃同学朋友2019 拿的2020 的offer 都在20 万+。没一个低于20 万的
看来他在Brown受到的教育还不错
I work at WS firms.
十年前250-300K都有.大多数花街CS没那么glamorous.不如去硅谷
不试,怎么知道emory会给full ride?不是都说他家有Tuft Sydrome吗?实践出真知
我们州大真的不比藤校更拎不清.:-)
我说的是上藤的钱很快赚出来了。
only after Harvard, Priceton, Ylae, Stanford, close to Brown and Dartmouth.
Like traders, they seek every bit of optimization and not get sloppy because "in a few years I will get it back anyway".
Why would one choose Williams or Amherst over Harvard or Yale?
Because one is bright enough to have figured out that there will be a significant difference between being trained by TAs on Harvard and Yale’s factory floors, and having substantive, intimate, daily and hourly contact with Williams faculty who are experts in their field.
So we’re clear here: I was offered Harvard’s Presidential Scholarship, which is essentially a hidden merit scholarship which covers costs at Harvard plus grad school, and the equivalent at Williams and Cornell. (I’d already eliminated Yale from consideration at the time).
A few dozen of my friends chose Harvard instead, and I visited them a lot. It was an interesting comparison.
At Harvard, they had a lecture with several hundred people, and then separated sections with teaching assistants who are in the first or second year of their careers.
At Williams, my average class size was 6.7, with tenured professors, several of whom, like Robert Friedrichs, had acheived the highest honors in their discipline. (I had Bob 2-on-1 for a tutorial on the core works of Anthropology and Sociology).
Frequently, I dropped by Bob’s and other professors’ houses, whose locations were familiar to me and other students. I ran into faculty in the hallways and shops, and continued discussions— both academic, personal and administrative.
By the time I was a third-year at Williams, I was a teaching assistant for first and second-years— the equivalent of the people providing the majority of teaching of undergrads at Harvard.
In summary, I’d estimate I had 30 to 40 hours of direct contact with Ph.D. faculty, most tenured, per week at Williams. At Harvard, I would have had 3 to 5.
This is reason 1 of 10 that I could have listed for choosing Williams over Harvard. (*Hey, as an undergrad, I could walk into Herb Allen’s kitchen, because I knew where the door was*).
The next 9 reasons are just as good.
9 out of 10 people choose Harvard or Yale over Williams because of name recognition or perceived prestige. They are absolutely wrong — at 18, you don’t perceive prestige the way the rest of the world does, and 8 out of 10 parents understand little more than “it’s the Ivy League.”
Among those who know the difference in quality between massive shops like Yale and places such as Amherst, there is equal prestige. Among the halls of the institutions whose members preserve the unique relationship between the US and the UK, the fields where Jenny Jerome gave Williams Royal Purple as our color, at the first baseball game, a few years before she became Lady Churchill, are well remembered and regarded.
Such histories and traditions matter, bind us together and create relationships and opportunities— and give Williams and Amherst and Swarthmore and Dartmouth and a host of other small institutions, as much prestige where it matters, as Harvard.
You’ve heard of Lehman Bros. because of the news: the Brothers were class of 1868, Lehman Hall was named after them, and about 3% of alums worked for the great House they built, before it was allowed to fall.
If you’re interested in Finance and Economics, including developmental economics, The Wall Street Journal has called Williams “the West Point of Wall Street.” There are similar close connections in the worlds of art, journalism, intelligence, and so on, which rival any opportunities Harvard may open.
Having the oldest alumni society in the nation, alumni giving at Williams tops 75%, far more than other institutions— a sign of the fondness and closeness of the alumni, our enduring deep belief in the institutions, our support— and our wealth.
But the core difference is the quality of the education. You go to Williams or Amherst or their equivalents, to become a broadly educated person, just embarking on a lifetime of learning.
Harvard and Yale, over their histories, have simply rarely provided a level of education that approaches that at Williams. One might as well go to Cal, or Wharton, or Penn State — or forbid, Brown.
Surely the above is true of at least Amherst as well.
俺娃H是没有，W拿到了最后没去。这文章太让人吃后悔药了。lol
Williams对他好对其他人未必.比如我娃学写作,Williams英语专业的水平一看就觉得跟州大没差别.
看这些Major Plan https://english.williams.edu/the-major/major-plan/
虽然试了一家ed
其他确实不申请了，不花冤枉钱