个人感觉,在紫檀吹捧羡慕小谷的,有的是带任务,这些人不值得提;有的是缺乏自信

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pct
楼主 (文学峸)

不知道自己到底要什么,也不知道自己的娃到底要什么。

真正淡定的家长,了解自己和自己的娃,更知道自己和娃要什么,是不容易被谷粉忽悠的…… 

千里一盏灯
议论她的都是没有领会西方文化中的个人主义精髓。谷姑娘用脚投票是她个人的选择。对此说三道四的属于儿童时期集体主义教育过度。

中毒太深。

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borisg
那孩子挺好的,天份,环境都有,夸两句怎么了。不过。。

那孩子挺好的,天份,环境都有,夸两句怎么了。不过。。

跟你我没关系。。

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Youth
能赞扬别人是一种自信.
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LilyBD
贴这里,只有我觉得15岁小姑娘Kamila 很可怜吗?吃药与否,也是教练的错,一个孩子而已 ,承受的太多
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randomness
你贴哪儿不好,贴危楼里。我也觉得她可怜。
数与形
这药对身体影响大吗?要是影响大,那帮给她吃药的大人太坏了
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wlwt123
看來是彈谷多過讚谷吧?
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fakegreen
能接受批评更是一种自信
天玉之
哈哈哈
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caffeinated
不至于需要给贴别人标签,什么带任务,缺乏自信
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baydad
这年头,她们都是知道的。不要说孙杨不知道。

作为一个奥运会冠军,还以孩子作借口是说不过去的。

 

这个可是成年人奥运会冠军。

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fakegreen
俄国为什么叫ROC赢了冠军不敢升国旗?
千里一盏灯
可怜。小小年纪被人家灌药。决赛连续摔跤应该是她故意的,

她已经看清了那些给她灌药的人的嘴脸,不想再为他们挣奖牌了。

希望她能摆脱他们的控制,获得真正的自由。

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Croissant_22
我也觉得她可怜,昨天我就说了教练该罚。
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yhr
有关系的,祖国强大了,有钱了,比如医生,你可以做高精端的手术,国内没有这个技术,把你找回去,给你很多钱,飞刀,干还是不干
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randomness
也许是组织安排的也说不定。俄国照样拿了第一第二。别说那俩就没吃药
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yhr
你是哈佛教授,给你每个月5万美金,你去不去?那个哈佛教授不是屁颠屁颠的去了武汉啥大学了吗?
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skyport
本来就没感觉,现在还是没感觉,爱谁谁,嘿嘿
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randomness
有什么pros and cons?
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violinpiano
因爲Russia被禁賽 他們運動選手只能自己組隊參加了
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BeLe
给你一点感觉:奥运明星里,小谷的商业价值可能会超过Michael Phelps。
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skyport
so what
数与形
政治宣传降温后,商业价值不会打折扣?
数与形
政治宣传降温后,商业价值不会打折扣?
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yhr
老蒋动心脏病手术,宋美龄派人找美国著名华人心脏病专家余医生,那时候没手机什么的,就派人从台湾来他家门口堵他,

余医生二话不说,马上跟着就飞回去给老蒋看病,为什么,余医生是台湾来的,美国培养的,技术一流,而且信得过。

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tibuko
你也推波助澜
老糊涂2
至少飞鱼不用用谎言支撑。呵呵
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Porcelana
从胡锡进微博博文的网友评论来看,“谷爱凌热”在中国大陆已经逐渐消退,小苏这种很快就会抢走小谷的光环和商机。
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violinpiano
民主法治了就不能這樣了 沒有license 最多只能在旁邊指導 不能自己動刀
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yhr
是啊,是看一个台湾外交官的回忆录写的,好像是请来的外国医生没搞好,决定请这个医生去的。美国某医学院有这个医生的铜像。

我已经记不清这个医生的名字了,很久以前看的。

千里一盏灯
她离场的时候被领导骂了
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BeLe
小苏个子太小,谈吐也一般,不利于做广告明星。
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Cambridge617
台湾人只能在农医类发展,政法经济外交归马小九宋小逾们,在美医生会不会是独裁者不信任的人呢?
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yhr
应该是国民党的人,至少父母是从大陆跟老蒋去台湾的,是他们信得过的人。这个医生飞去台湾几次,临危受命。
龙凤呈翔
第二名一开始不肯上颁奖台是怎么回事?
加州阳光123
看你这帖能活多久?网管说话不算数,那天说谈论政治,奥运,小谷和一切非子女教育的帖都格杀勿论,结果

有的帖还是没有删 

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yddad
那么众多批谷的呢?:)
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Cambridge617
国家体委运动医学研究所负责研发反检测技术,一骨干到日本面授机宜导致广岛亚运东德药王徒弟折戟沉沙

巴塞罗那奥运会冠军们统统显行   水牛城大运会中国体委伍少将说兴奋剂问题是普遍的世界性问题,不是用不用的问题,是查出来查不出来的问题。与他的有用无害查不出的政策吻合, 舆论哗然,其他国家的运动员气死了,来一些假大学生和我们比赛,还说我们人人用药 

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Porcelana
童星有演艺经验,男孩子发育晚还会长,一般人对他更有认同感。
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LilyBD
我贴哪里一会儿网管也都删了 哈哈
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violinpiano
那是日據時代 還給ROC之後就憑考試成績了 選哪個科系自己選

沒看阿扁那代一堆法律系 政治系的 

海生ABC
楼主这样的人第一见不得别人的好,第二只允许别认识自己喜欢的。第三 心里酸很 第四 小谷确实超级优秀…..第五…
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randomness
总结,都是乌鸦看不见自己黑。老中真的没救了。lol
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Youth
赞扬一下人家孩子很牛. 我们孩子有自己的事干也很高兴.喜欢

贴标签就贴吧LOL

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Porcelana
在胡锡进微博留言的网友大部分对小谷的感觉远没有对小苏及其他类似背景的运动员那种认同感。
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yhr
余医生是美国心脏病学会会长,江西人,毕业于国民党时代的上海医学院,后来到英国和美国留学,还是蒋经国的学生,信得过。
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Porcelana
许多认为中国应该着重于培养自己的运动员而不是找小谷这种。
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Porcelana
他们对小谷的认同感还是不高的。
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Oona
也有可能是经纪公司的运作,因为经纪公司拿掉大部分收成,这里有一篇文章大致讲模特公司如果盘剥的。

Modeling is a time-consuming, demanding and cutthroat profession. But most of all, it can be prohibitively expensive.

Unlike most U.S. workers, models regularly see huge chunks of their earnings -- whether it's a third, more than half, or even entire paychecks -- disappear right before their eyes.

One male model, for example, showed CNNMoney a statement where a $500 catalog shoot turned into a $15 check. Meanwhile a young female model saw almost six years of earnings shrink from $74,000 to less than $30,000.

Models typically aren't treated as employees, so they usually aren't guaranteed to receive minimum wage, overtime, lunch breaks, prompt paychecks or many other protections that are common in the workplace.

Instead, they are often considered independent contractors. And this means that even after paying their agencies fat commissions of 20% or more, models often have to foot the bill for business expenses. These include everything from expensive plane tickets and group housing to the many promotional materials -- like websites, headshots and portfolios -- required to land jobs with clients.

Read more about the dark side of the modeling industry here

Several agencies, which often prefer to be called model management companies, told CNNMoney they invest significant resources to help their models succeed, and that the costs models face are just part of the business.

    Models: We're being exploited by the industry

But models don't always see it this way. In its ongoing investigation into alleged labor abuses and lack of regulation in the industry, CNNMoney interviewed dozens of models who say it's these outrageous fees and expenses that make it so difficult -- and in some cases, impossible -- to get ahead.

 

Double-dipping and double-digit commissions

 

Commissions are the bread and butter of the modeling industry.

Not only do agencies usually charge their models a 20% commission, but they charge the model's client a similar amount, according to models and attorneys. A $5,000 job, for example, would typically result in a $2,000 windfall for the agency, which can end up being more than what the model herself would take home in some cases.

A pay stub from one model showed how a big $30,000 payday became only $6,475 after a 20% commission and a big tax hit (though she's hopeful she'll get some of that back at tax time). Yes, this may sound like a lot. But this is before any other expenses are taken out. And because the pay is wildly inconsistent, many models are forced to rely on a one-time payment like this for months or even longer. Another model, for example, saw a $10,000 job shrink to less than $4,000 after taxes, commissions and expenses.

To charge these high commissions, some attorneys argue that companies based in New York, the heart of the modeling industry, are masquerading as "management companies" instead of employment agencies. Critics say that by doing this, they are skirting the state law that limits employment agency fees. The firms counter that they are following the law since they provide their models with a variety of management services, beyond just finding them work.

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More than a decade ago, a class-action lawsuit challenged these commissions. Agencies paid out a multi-million dollar settlement and pledged to be more transparent.

But even after all that, the 20% commission still reigns supreme, and it seems the only models able to negotiate a lower commission are those already earning top salaries.

Ty States resorted to cash advances while waiting for her paychecks to arrive.

Lorelei Shellist, a longtime model who has appeared in magazines like Vogue and Marie Claire, was part of that class action suit against the agencies. While she says she moved on from the lawsuit years ago, she is still worried about working conditions for current models and can't believe agencies are still getting away with charging 20% commissions.

"Nothing has changed. Nobody has enforced the laws," she said. "What they are doing is they are double-dipping."

 

Walking lessons, dermatology visits and photo shoots

 

Beyond commissions, there's a never-ending list of expenses and fees that models can rack up.

For a beginning model, the start-up costs can be especially daunting -- often landing them in debt before they even book their first big job.

Alexia Palmer racked up $12,000 in expenses in just over three years.

Take Jamaican model Alexia Palmer, who was brought to the United States by Trump Model Management after being discovered in a Caribbean model competition.

According to financial records included in a lawsuit she filed against the agency, Palmer racked up $12,000 in expenses in a little over three years.

Test shoots, where models practice in front of the camera, cost Palmer more than $2,000. Walking lessons were $75 a pop, a dermatology visit that she says was recommended by her agency cost her $200 and a promo video was $250. She was also charged $900 for a "show package," which showcases the agency's models to try to land them jobs in runway shows.

Palmer's statement from Trump Model Management listed thousands in expenses.

And then there were more than $100 in courier fees (typically charged for transporting a model's portfolio to potential clients), another $400 in transportation costs and $4,000 in vague administrative fees.

Related: Trump's modeling agency broke immigration law, experts say

Palmer's financial statements also show that she took out a number of cash advances from the agency, a common industry practice as models wait months for paychecks to materialize. It's unclear how much Palmer paid her agency in fees or interest for these advances, but others have said they were charged fees of around 5%.

All of the expenses and fees, along with the commissions and taxes Palmer paid, left her with take-home pay of less than $5,000 over three years. And based on the financial documents filed by Trump Model Management in Palmer's court case, it appears she was in debt to the agency for more than a year as she racked up expenses but booked few paying jobs.

Because she had been promised a salary of $75,000 per year on official government immigration documents, she has been fighting to get the money she believes she is owed. Trump Model Management has said through its attorney that the salary was nothing more than a "guesstimate" and that Palmer signed a contract agreeing to reimburse the agency for all expenses -- a standard industry practice.

 

'Perpetual state of dependence'

 

On top of all the business expenses, Palmer's financial statements also show she took out a number of cash advances from the agency.

Advances are common in the industry as models wait months for paychecks to materialize. It's unclear how much Palmer paid in fees or interest, but others say fees of around 5% are the norm.

Like Canadian model Ty States, who said she often relied heavily on advances from her agency.

"Advances were the only way you could actually afford to get anything," she said. "They are still making money off of you, but it's like I need to eat and pay my bills."

Cash advances were the "only way you could afford to get anything," said model Ty States.

Currently, a proposed class-action lawsuit is taking on this practice.

Filed against a number of top modeling agencies (not including Trump's), the suit challenges the fairness of these advances, along with a number of other alleged financial abuses.

"[Cash advances] kept the models in a perpetual state of dependence," attorneys at Quinn Emanuel wrote in court filings. "This practice is particularly insidious because the models only needed the advances in the first place because of defendants' unlawful practice of not paying a model his or her wages until many months after the work had been performed (if ever)."

Management companies named in the lawsuit have denied any wrongdoing in court. And one of the companies, MC2, told CNNMoney that practices like these are meant to "help their models succeed."

 

Client Christmas gifts and flowers

 

The fees don't stop when a model starts becoming successful. Many told CNNMoney that they have been charged for everything from overpriced and cramped model housing to their agency's own office supplies.

One of the most common expenses for working models is a "website fee," which can run hundreds of dollars a year for a single model. Then there are fees the agency charges to print "comp cards," which are like business cards for models except that they are covered in photos. These can cost upwards of $1 a card, and are often bought in batches of hundreds at a time. One model says her agency even charged her for cards that had her name misspelled on them.

Madison Schill said she had little control over the expenses she was charged.

For most of these expenses, the agency pays upfront and takes them out of the model's pay -- meaning that many models have no idea when they are going to be charged for something.

"They don't ask if they can spend your money, they just do it," said former model Madison Schill, who started in the industry at age 15 and has walked runways for the likes of Marchesa and Oscar de la Renta. While she knew her contract authorized the agency to deduct any and all expenses, she said she had little control or clarity about where her money was going.

Louisa Raske claims her agency charged her for flowers that were sent to her on her own birthday.

Another model, Louisa Raske, says she was shocked when she realized she had been charged for the flowers her agency bought her on her own birthday (the agency that she claims charged her for the flowers did not respond to requests for comment). And Raske's past statements from a different agency show that $250 was deducted from her paycheck for client Christmas gifts that she says the agency purchased without asking her.

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"They kind of have the attitude like, 'What are you going to do about it?'" said Raske, who is part of the proposed class-action lawsuit challenging industry labor practices at many of the industry's top agencies.

An attorney representing one of the defendants in that lawsuit said that management companies are doing a favor for models by shouldering these expenses to help them get their foot in the door.

After expenses, a $1,000 catalog shoot turned into a $150 paycheck for model Alex Shankin.

Plus, because agencies generally don't go after the debts of those who give up and leave the industry, they claim to recoup only a fraction of the money they spend on many aspiring models.

"Until someone becomes a commercially viable model, it's their agencies that pay their rent, advance their money, pay for the pictures that go in their 'lookbooks,' and help them with stylists," said attorney Robert Hantman, speaking about his experience representing a number of agencies (as well as several models). "They spend a lot of money trying to develop the models."

 

Lots of travel, little pay

 

Just because a client wants a model to come to a studio or exotic location for a shoot doesn't mean they will pay to get them there.

Retired model Carina Vretman now lives in Pennsylvania, where she works with horses.

While some jobs cover the cost of travel, others do not -- leaving the agencies to book the travel and the models to pay their own way.

Male model Alex Shanklin, for example, says he was excited to book a $1,000 catalog shoot in New York a few years ago. But after the cost of his plane ticket from Texas and other travel expenses were subtracted from his pay, he claims he received a check for only $150 after around a day of work plus travel -- and he didn't even get it until more than a month later.

"This type of scenario is extremely common for models, considering we tend to work under any circumstances presented to survive," said Shanklin, who still works in the industry and has been in ads for a number of major brands.

Meanwhile, retired model Carina Vretman remembers when she got a free trip to Denmark for a catalog photo shoot but ended up making no money for the actual job. Instead, she says the German modeling agency that booked the gig told her she owed them money for past promotional costs and other expenses. (In fact she believes she still owes that agency 700 euros).

"I didn't get a cent," said Vretman. "I spent money for a taxi -- I lost money."

 

Don't ask questions

 

Many models interviewed by CNNMoney say that what's even worse than the fees is the complete lack of transparency about what they're being charged for and why -- with the statements they receive doing little to explain the laundry list of deductions being taken out of their pay.

"It's like reading a foreign language with the statements that were sent to us -- especially for someone who is 16 years old," said former model Lisa Yanowitz, who entered the industry at that very age and has walked international runways for clients like Chanel, Burberry, and Balenciaga. She has since left the modeling industry to become a nurse.

Another model, Grecia Palomares, received a check in 2014 where her agency had deducted 70% of the $1,000 in pay for "expenses," according to documents from the proposed class-action lawsuit.

Lisa Yanowitz now works as a nurse, which she says is a much more stable career.

Palomares, who has worked for designers like Christian Dior, Valentino and Roberto Cavalli (none of which were the client in this specific case), claims all she was told was that the expenses included $450 for "WRITTEN OFF REVENUES" and "$250 for "APLD BAL WEST ACCT."

The agency, Wilhelmina, did not respond to requests for comment, though it has disputed any wrongdoing in court. And Palomares says to this day she still has no idea where that money went.

And it's not uncommon for many models to stay silent -- afraid to ask any questions at all. They say that all too often, doing so results in a dead end, and that pushing too hard could hurt their reputations with the agency and their potential to get more jobs.

"They have more money, they have more power," said Palomares.

From the 'model apartment' trap to the horrifying scams preying on desperate young models, CNNMoney's latest investigation, Runway Injustice, exposes the true face of the fashion industry through the eyes of the models themselves. Want us to email you with the next installment and updates to this investigation? Sign up for the CNNMoney Investigates newsletter by clicking here. You can send feedback, tips and other story ideas by clicking here.
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lookforward
远远围观也能看出很多IDs表现出不同平常的人设和风格
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yhr
小苏很不错的,是自己培养的,多才多艺,我喜欢他。
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Rockeymountain
紫檀现在很可悲。
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Oona
武汉科技大学:--))

原来的武汉工业大学,原身是武汉建筑材料工业学院,北京建材学院搬来的,材料工业部的大儿子,街道口那个:-——))

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Youth
纯粹享受体育比赛. 其它的和我们没关系.LOL
龙凤呈翔
Lol太形象了
龙凤呈翔
网管正磨刀呢:)我已经懒得参与了当个吃瓜群众爱谁谁,光看评论回帖就够乐了:)
龙凤呈翔
昨晚看到0:2就撤了,问个外行问题,为啥守门员不找个膀大腰圆三四百磅的劈腿往门前一坐?
加州阳光123
我现在有空就上来当个吃瓜群众,没空就不来 这里不需要每天都来点卯,生活中太多的事情要做了

你们家老二今年考大学?

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Rockeymountain
守门员一般都高大, 但一定要灵活反应快。
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Porcelana
外省人开始失势大概是从小蒋的“催台青”政策开始的,后来小蒋甚至把警备总部都交给本省籍的陈守山,

这里面当然有许多原因以后再谈吧。

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jingzhumama
有没有文革的感觉? LOL

都是华裔, 得了奖牌为人家高兴就是了, 你管她拿哪里的护照呢, 跟你有啥关系不是

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mmmwww
按官媒公号补一刀的说法是:蹦得最高的美国“高等华人”们暴露了。
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jingzhumama
哈哈哈, 我主动交代, 我出国是为了赚钱, 没有他们说的那么高大上, 投奔自由啥的
龙凤呈翔
文革感觉不到,有

一年多前中坛的感觉:)

龙凤呈翔
刚过16,还有两年。他喜欢你女儿的学校:)
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JustAsked
摸黑好人是一种缺德!
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JustAsked
+1000 摸黑好人是自带任务!
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JustAsked
人家哪里说谎了?
加州阳光123
真的?她们学校还好,你们可以选更好的学校 :)
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summercamp
说别人没自信,可不就是自诩是高等华人呗
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fakegreen
原名武汉建材学院
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randomness
我都看不懂这里谁高等? 40万刚高等没几天好像又不够高等了。
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Cambridge617
把儿子的情人崔苔菁名字当作政策名,很有创意
龙凤呈翔
哈哈,紫檀变德云社了:)
老糊涂2
铺天盖地的退籍报道她知道吧?那些代言是不是建立在谎言上?否则干嘛不敢承认呢?
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Porcelana
那是民间这么称呼的。