请问罚单的处理,先谢谢各位。

寂寞的烟花
楼主 (文学峸)

二月时,我的车被撞后送去维修了,租了一辆suv开。

租的车,是用Apple CarPlay 来用GPS,必须连接我的手机,

我开车时,看见屏幕上显示如下

因为我要用GPS,所以我就把 电话插进充电线(充电线一直在车上的,一直插好电源的),

我并没有用手机,过了一会儿,一辆警车在我后面要我停下来。

警察认为我用了手机,开了一张罚单,一百多块钱。

交钱不是问题,但我不想留下坏的记录,所以我想上小法庭争取,

你们有什么好的建议吗?谢谢

j
jin_yin_hua
你是不是开车的时候插线了?警察看你手里拿着手机,好像不能这样操作
n
newacct
什么州?
單身老貓
回應

(A) 這是上交通庭,不是"小法庭"(小額賠償庭)

(B) 你可以向你的提供手機服務的電話公司要一個使用資料,證明開單地當時,你沒有使用手機。(其他的話,不用多說,越描越黑,你只要提出手機使用資料,證明警察抓你的那一刻,你沒有使用手機,打電話,或是收發短信),但是,老貓希望你在被開單時,沒有對警方做出如您上面的解釋 (如果警方有 body cam,同時有錄像,那你就沒有話說)。

(C) 因為開車禁用手機的原因是希望你不會因使用手機而分心,事實上你在忙著將手機連上車時,你已經觸法,但是,爭取的事是,如果當時你沒有多做解釋,那麼現在你有使用記錄,你就有機會脫身,如果你當時,已經承認在忙著將手機與車相連,你只能認罰。

寂寞的烟花
谢谢老猫的耐心解说,我对警察承认了我只是把手机连上充电线,我真的没有用手机。非常感谢您。
寂寞的烟花
是插线了。
寂寞的烟花
NH
單身老貓
問題就在這裡

你已經承認,我对警察承认了我只是把手机连上充电线,也就是說,你沒有專心開車,“Distracted driving is dangerous and irresponsible. If you’re using your phone while driving, then you’re not driving",同時,NH RSA 265:79-c specifically prohibits the use of “any hand-held mobile electronic device capable of providing voice or data communication” while driving or stopped in traffic. This includes mobile phones as well as navigation systems.

https://www.nh.gov/insurance/media/pr/2022/documents/20220407-distracted-driving.pdf?

 

所以,交錢吧 !,你沒有戲 !

一问三知
先别交钱,上法庭。警察有可能不出庭。法官也可能允许你交钱但不留记录。
寂寞的烟花
谢谢老猫,谢谢您花时间写这么多,法律规定我也看了,死马当活马医吧。
寂寞的烟花
谢谢,我写好了反驳短文。
寂寞的烟花
老猫,或别的朋友,请帮忙看看我的辩解吧,先谢谢啊

As I drove on Rt. 101 A on February 15, 2023, I wanted to use the hands free functionality of my rental SUV so I could use GPS, call 911, accept calls, etcetera. The message on the SUV screen was,"Connect Apple Car Play Phone to USB".     
Without taking my eyes off the road, using peripheral vision, and muscle memory from having performed this action countless times for over a month, I guided the plug into the phone. The other end was kept plugged in to the car and was already connected.  This is not a violation of Section 265:79-C. At no time did I use my phone in violation of this section.     During the traffic stop, I asked the officer why I had been stopped. He stated, "You used your phone.". I responded, "No, I only plugged it in to use GPS.".  The officer helpfully explained that New Hampshire Law allowed me to disagree and wished me a good day.      The preponderance of evidence shows I did not violate Section 265:79-C. My action in plugging in the phone was not at all a distraction from driving, was performed as automatically as when a driver might change a radio station on the dashboard, which I understand is also not unlawful, and was not a violation. At no time was I looking at my phone, holding my phone to use it, or engaging in texting. The only action I performed was to push the plug into the phone as the phone was already positioned and secure in the console area to my right. I respectfully ask the court to dismiss this matter. Thank you.

柠檬椰子汁
同学,你的罚单上的code number是什么?

你辩解的是265:79-C,那个是reckless driving,似乎比用手机要严重很多。

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-hampshire/2015/title-xxi/chapter-265/section-265-79?

你的罚单上到底写的是违反了什么?

寂寞的烟花
看这里,谢谢。

寂寞的烟花
是265:79-C里面的用手机部分,我读NH的法律文件的,谢谢。
單身老貓
如果你希望不留下任何記錄,老貓會建議您,直接在當地找律師,代表你出庭處理

你這個東西,良心說,你這是搬磚砸腳,因為,有關手機與開車的法律,立法的精神,就是不要你因為用手機 (不論你在做啥),影響到專心開車。簡單的說,當你開車時,任何與開車無關的動作,都是危險動作 (包括轉收音機的台)。同時,你文中說,I only plugged it in to use GPS,講白了,你的手機連線之後,你仍然要操作面板,去同步 car play,與啟動導航 apps,這還不說你需要輸入你的終點地址。 (你能說,這些都不影響你開車的注意力嗎?)

如果你用這個標準去驗證你的說詞,你認為法官會說什麼? 

 

寂寞的烟花
谢谢老猫写这么多,我真的就是插了手机,没打电话、也没发短信等。非常、非常感谢。
a
akc
你的问题是在开车时用电话插进电线。就算你停在stop sign or traffic lights 前做也是錯的...

你的offense 在NH只不过是violation which is not a crime. 如果不影响 insurance, do whatever you think is best for you. Your hope is that the issuing officer won't appear at the hearing. 

a
akc
More importantly, there is no demerit point in violation

of the stated code in NH. It is unlikely the violation will affect your insurance rate. Check it out if it is true. 

單身老貓
你還沒有弄懂,你違法的原因,不僅是你連線手機的這個單一動作,更重要的是你連線手機的目的。
寂寞的烟花
批评得对,这次教训要汲取,安全第一。
寂寞的烟花
谢谢,希望是像你说的那样。
柠檬椰子汁
老猫,我有不同意见。

假设楼主说话是真实的,连接USBcable应该是允许的。

一: 条文原文:https://law.justia.com/codes/new-hampshire/2014/title-xxi/chapter-265/section-265-79-c

 I. (a) No person, while driving a moving motor vehicle  .... 禁止这个那个,不说了。  

 II. It shall not be an offense under this section for any person driving a motor vehicle upon a way:
       (a) To make use of a cellular telephone or other electronic device capable of voice communication to report an emergency to the enhanced 911 system or directly to a law enforcement agency, fire department, or emergency medical provider.  (不适用)
       (b) To use one hand to transmit or receive messages on any non-cellular 2-way radio. (不适用)
       (c) To use a Bluetooth enabled or other hands-free electronic device, or a similar device that is physically or electronically integrated into a motor vehicle, for such a purpose to send or receive information provided the driver does not have to divert his or her attention from the road ahead. (好了,和Apple Car Play接近了)As used in this section, "hands-free electronic device'' means a mobile electronic device that has an internal feature or function, or that is equipped with an attachment or addition, whether or not permanently part of such mobile electronic device, by which a user engages in conversation without the use of either hand; provided, however, this definition (前面下划线所定义的)shall not preclude (不排除)the use of either hand merely to activate, deactivate, or initiate a function of the telephone. 

二:把以上的条文简略一点:

 II. It shall not be an offense ... 
       (c) To use a Bluetooth enabled or other hands-free electronic device, .....  As used in this section, "hands-free electronic device'' means a mobile electronic device that has an internal feature or function, or that is equipped with an attachment or addition, whether or not permanently part of such mobile electronic device, by which a user engages in conversation without the use of either hand; provided, however, this definition (前面下划线所定义的)shall not preclude (不排除)the use of either hand merely to activate, deactivate, or initiate a function of the telephone. 

三:结论:

所以 条纹里面说了:use ... other hands-free electronic device 的这个例外,不排除 ”the use of either hand merely to activate, deactivate, or initiate a function of the telephone. “ 

当然,不排除不等于就是完全包含在例外里面。用一只手(use of either hand)去打开手机功能,如果和hand-free electronic device 没有关系,可能还是算违法。但是如楼主所说,他去接线是为了启动hand-free 的功能,那么可能是不违法的。

 

單身老貓
重點是 Hands Free,如果警方沒有抓到,樓主一手開車,一手拿著手機,那這個案件就不成立。

如果樓主,被抓時,沒有自辯,那就有話,因為老貓不太相信,警車的車載攝像機可以捕捉到這個動作,所以,老貓一開始就說,拿著電話公司的通訊記錄上庭,那就是樓主的話 vs 警方的話,因為電話公司的通訊記錄有其一定的公信力,這個案件有贏得可能。

問題是,樓主被抓時,忙於自辯,已經承認,曾經,一手開車,一手拿著手機,那就不適用Hands Free,因為這條法律中,沒有規定,手持手機多少秒之內仍然屬於  Hands Free,特別是,在這種情況下,警方如果有帶在身上的攝影機,那麼攝影機所錄下的東西,(樓主的話),就成為承認觸法的自白。

寂寞的烟花
谢谢柠檬椰子汁,我们也是研究了这个法律文件的,你的分析非常好,谢谢。
寂寞的烟花
谢谢老猫的观点,我并没承认我拿着手机,我承认我用一只手把充电线插进手机。我的电话记录在那段时间没有用过电话。
寂寞的烟花
谢谢老猫和柠檬,你们的想法和观点都给了我帮助,真心谢谢您们。
單身老貓
如果您真的要賭,那就上庭去應訴。(很顯然,你不會花錢找律師,這個隨您,就是記得回報一下結果)

這裡,老貓只有一個要求,如果您贏了,不需要來這裡拆老貓的招牌,如果你輸了,也不要大哭美帝司法不公。祝你好運。

慧惠
I agree with what 老貓 said.

Would it be possible for you to say something like "I did not use my phone" instead? This statement accurately reflects the fact that you did not use your phone.

Providing excessive details could potentially cause unintended consequences. For example, plugging in a device while driving could be interpreted as manipulating the device, which might be a violation of RSA 265:79-c in NH.

寂寞的烟花
怎么会呢?您们这么多年义务为大家解答问题,感谢还来不及呢!一定向您汇报。
寂寞的烟花
谢谢
废话多多
你”用手机“的定义是通话或者发短信,不包括把电线插进电话,警察的定义包括了把电线插进电话。你们俩说的是两回事儿。所以

你一直在说你真的没用手机,对警察来说很莫名其妙,或者他在认为你撒谎。

所以在法庭上避免说你没用手机,而是强调你在把电线插进手机。

慧惠
没异议,但语言上做一些修改,防止自己给自己挖坑

法庭上几乎没时间解释。简单说,警察说我用手机,我说没有,法律上禁止的那几条,我一项都没触及。

如果进一步追究细节,再陈述几句吧。我也经常车上手机充电,只能在红灯的时候完成,我也不是很清楚一只手怎么可能把cable 插进电话的,而且再熟练的事情都很难0%分神。可能我缺乏这方面经验,不能自圆其说,才会避开这方面。