AI on traditional IRA to Roth conversion

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acac
楼主 (文学峸)

This is an outstanding question and a situation where strategic planning can save you hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars in taxes over your lifetime. With a $7 million Traditional IRA, you are facing a significant future tax liability.

Let's break this down. First, a direct answer, then the strategy.

Direct Answer: Should You Convert?

Almost certainly, yes, you should convert a portion of it. Converting the entire $7 million at once would be a catastrophic tax mistake. It would push you into the highest federal (37%) and state tax brackets, resulting in a tax bill of potentially $3 million or more in a single year.

The goal is not a full, immediate conversion. The goal is a series of strategic, partial conversions over many years to manage your tax liability effectively.

The Core Problem: The RMD "Tax Bomb"

Your primary motivation for converting is to defuse the "Required Minimum Distribution (RMD) Tax Bomb."

Your RMDs will start at age 73 (or 75, depending on your birth year).

Let's assume your $7M grows conservatively to $9M by the time you're 73.

Your first RMD would be roughly **

327,000∗∗(327,000∗∗( 9M / 27.4).

 

This $327,000 is forced ordinary income every year, whether you need the money or not. This amount will likely place you in one of the highest tax brackets for the rest of your life and will grow larger over time.

This high income can also trigger higher Medicare Part B and D premiums (known as IRMAA).

By converting portions to a Roth IRA, you reduce the future balance of your Traditional IRA, thereby reducing your future RMDs and the associated tax bill.

The Strategy: How to Minimize Your Tax on Conversions

Your plan should be to execute a series of partial conversions during your lowest income years. For you, this creates a "golden window" for conversions.

Your Golden Window: The period after you retire (and your salary disappears) but before you start taking Social Security and RMDs (when other income sources begin). This is roughly from age 59 to 72.

Here is the step-by-step strategy to discuss with a financial professional:

Step 1: Wait Until You Retire (Crucial)

Do not start conversions while you are still working. Your high salary already places you in a high tax bracket. Adding conversion income on top of that is inefficient. Wait the 2-3 years until you've officially retired and your employment income drops to zero.

Step 2: "Fill the Brackets" Systematically

This is the core of the strategy. Each year, you will convert just enough money from your Traditional IRA to "fill up" the lower and middle tax brackets, but not so much that you push yourself into the highest brackets unnecessarily.

Hypothetical Example of "Bracket Filling":

Let's use the 2024 tax brackets for a couple filing jointly (assuming you are married; the principle is the same for a single filer, but the numbers change).

10% Bracket: up to $23,200

12% Bracket: $23,201 to $94,300

22% Bracket: $94,301 to $201,050

24% Bracket: $201,051 to $383,900

32% Bracket: $383,901 to $487,450

35% Bracket: $487,451 to $731,200

37% Bracket: over $731,200

Your Annual Conversion Plan (Starting After Retirement):

Establish a Baseline Income: Let's say in retirement you have $50,000/year in other income (pensions, dividends, etc.).

Choose a Target Bracket: You and your advisor might decide that paying a 24% federal tax rate is acceptable to avoid a 35% or 37% rate later. The top of the 24% bracket is $383,900.

Calculate the Conversion Amount:

Target Income: $383,900

Subtract Other Income: -$50,000

Subtract Standard Deduction (Married, 2024): ~$29,200

Annual Conversion Amount: ~$304,700

In this scenario, you would convert around $300,000 per year. The tax on this would be significant (roughly 

60,000−60,000−

70,000 depending on the exact numbers), but it's a controlled, deliberate tax payment at a known rate.

 

Step 3: Create a Multi-Year Plan

You would repeat this process every year during your "golden window."

Ages 59-69: You could potentially convert $300,000 a year for 10 years.

Total Converted: $3,000,000

This moves a substantial portion of your IRA into a tax-free Roth account before RMDs ever begin. Your remaining Traditional IRA balance will be much smaller, leading to smaller, more manageable RMDs.

Step 4: Pay Taxes with Non-Retirement Funds

This is critical. You must have sufficient cash in a savings or brokerage account to pay the taxes on the conversion. Do not pay the taxes from the converted IRA funds. If you do, the amount used to pay tax is considered a distribution, and since you are under 59½ (for the first few years of this plan), it would be subject to a 10% early withdrawal penalty.

Key Strategic Considerations for Your Situation

Tax Law Uncertainty: Current tax rates under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) are set to expire at the end of 2025. Rates may go up in 2026. This adds urgency to your planning. You may want to be more aggressive with conversions in 2024 and 2025 to lock in current rates.

State Taxes: Don't forget state income tax. If you live in a high-tax state (like CA or NY), this adds a significant cost. Some people even consider moving to a no-income-tax state (like FL, TX, NV) for their retirement years to make these conversions more efficient.

Charitable Giving: If you are charitably inclined, once you reach age 70½, you can use a Qualified Charitable Distribution (QCD) of up to $105,000 (indexed for inflation) per year directly from your Traditional IRA. This satisfies part of your RMD (once they start) and is not included in your income, making it a very tax-efficient way to be charitable.

Estate Planning: A Roth IRA is a phenomenal estate planning tool. Your heirs will inherit it completely tax-free (though they will be subject to a 10-year withdrawal rule). This is a massive advantage over a Traditional IRA, where heirs pay ordinary income tax on every dollar they withdraw.

Your Immediate Action Plan

Do NOT act alone. Your situation is far too complex for DIY planning.

Assemble Your Team: You need a Certified Public Accountant (CPA) who specializes in tax planning and a Certified Financial Planner (CFP®). They can work together to model different conversion scenarios, project your lifetime tax liability, and create a precise, year-by-year plan.

Analyze Your Cash Flow: Determine how much cash you have available outside of your IRA to pay the conversion taxes over the next 10-15 years. This will dictate how aggressive you can be with your annual conversions.

Model, Model, Model: Your team should create projections showing:

Scenario A: No conversions (the "RMD Tax Bomb" scenario).

Scenario B: A strategic, multi-year conversion plan.

Compare the total lifetime taxes paid, impact on Medicare premiums, and net amount left to your heirs in each scenario.

You are in an enviable financial position, but it comes with significant complexity. By taking a proactive, strategic approach to Roth conversions over the next decade, you can gain control over your taxable income in retirement and dramatically increase the after-tax value of your estate.

梦想-成真
如果65或者以后才退休,就没有多少办法了
W
Westmont
工作期间转税率又上来了,还有什么意义呢?
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than
是的,应该是早退休人士考虑的问题!
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red_flower
总结:“Do not start conversions while you are still working”

"Wait Until You Retire "
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jennytan
工作期间可以转部分,转到你的Bracket上限
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red_flower
如何查Bracket上限?
家家幸福
就算不往上再跳一个 bracket, 加上州税45%-47%也不划算吧?这个转是按照 ordinary income?
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yesterday*once*more
这个真的因人(家庭)而异。同一个家庭不同时间也可能不一样的。

我以前没觉得需要。

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yesterday*once*more
是ordinary income。如果你准备退休了搬到低税州,确实不要工作时convert。
桃花好运
谢谢解释,转了一点
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jennytan
看文章中24% bracket上线是383,900,扣除你俩的工资和投资收益,就是可转的在24%税率这挡的,再多转,多转部分上3
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CatcherInTheRye
实际上大部分老中不用担心RMD,特别是本坛的

因为大部分老中到73/75的时候花销都大大超过RMD数额,即便加上SS & possible pension也不用担心。当然极少数需要注意。如果你从59.5岁开始从IRA/401k拿钱,拿到73/75账户还更多钱,那我佩服得五体投地。

早退休的,除非一大把现金资产或房租现金流,不然还能动能吃的岁数,一年花销至少也十五-二十万以上,这得从投资收益里拿,就算taxable income

Convert相当于现在确定交税去除未来不确定性。不convert相当于现在不交税,把税率和花费的未来不确定性留给未来。

 

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wd6
我们退休金都是交了州税和城市税的。所以转就是一个联邦税。如果退休后搬去退休金要交州税的,就惨了
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jennytan
有些人为了医保,不得不干到65 。这种情况可以早点转部分
螺丝螺帽
退休后, 可控制交税的篮子, 这个表太好用了。我家2023年控制的很好。
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CatcherInTheRye
这是TY2024的。2025的涨了一点点,每年都会上调一点
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parentb
不见得,要看个人情况。
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CatcherInTheRye
高收入者就算一年三万的医保吧,逝去的几年时间可能更重要,当然这要看个人的决策