投资股票有个最重要的原则,远离打价格战的公司,NO EXCEPTION,特斯拉也不例外 。有些FA分析实在误导太大了,最

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楼主 (文学峸)

最基本的原理都不对。

螺丝螺帽
具体是那些股票啊?
颜阳
举了TSLA,自动驾驶打价格战凶多吉少. 打价格战=over supply. 把打价格战当成买入理由令人吃惊
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lionhill
如果打价格战是为了先占领市场把竞争者都灭了再涨价,没什么不对看谁的pocket深你有你的原理但不要认为你的原理100%对
颜阳
Waymo自动驾驶最大的开销是PARKING和ROAD SIDE ASSISTANCE保险等。特斯拉这部分钱根本省不了。
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lionhill
错最大的开销是车的硬件成本
颜阳
没有一次打价格战可以消灭竞争对手,市场规则不容许这种不公平竞争。这是违法的,特别在美国。。你的 分析实在太粗糙
颜阳
你去看看它的报告就知道了. Waymo ]吃违反通规则罚单非常多
螺丝螺帽
谢谢!
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lionhill
懒得跟你争,各人自己用钱说话,我不care你怎么想
颜阳
真理越辩越明。怕什么?你的帖子问题是用有色眼睛看问题,全是利好理由,毫无反向批判性思维。
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lionhill
你以为你就是100%真理持有方,可笑
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lionhill
这是Gemini的报告,Waymo 是谷歌subsidiary, 根本不可能拿到operating expense报告

It is not possible to provide a detailed, official operating expense breakdown for Waymo. As a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. ("Google"), Waymo's financial results are not reported separately in the same way as a publicly traded, standalone company. Its performance is typically included under Alphabet's "Other Bets" category in its quarterly and annual reports. This category lumps together various long-term, high-growth ventures, and as a result, a specific line-by-line breakdown of Waymo's expenses is not publicly available.
However, based on industry analysis, investor estimates, and scattered public information, we can infer the key components of Waymo's operating expenses:
Inferred Waymo Operating Expense Breakdown
 * Research & Development (R&D): This is by far the largest and most significant expense. Developing a safe and scalable fully autonomous driving system requires massive, ongoing investment. This includes:
   * Engineering Salaries: Hiring and retaining top-tier software engineers, AI/ML experts, and hardware engineers is extremely costly.
   * Data and Simulation: Waymo processes and stores petabytes of data from its fleet. This requires significant cloud computing resources for data analysis, machine learning model training, and simulation.
   * Hardware and Sensors: The cost of the LiDAR, radar, cameras, and computing units for each vehicle is substantial. While these costs are coming down, they are still a major investment for a growing fleet.
 * Fleet Operations and Maintenance: As Waymo scales its robotaxi service, the costs associated with running a large fleet of vehicles become increasingly important. This category includes:
   * Vehicle Costs: The initial cost of purchasing or leasing vehicles (e.g., Jaguar I-Pace, Chrysler Pacifica, Zeekr) and outfitting them with the autonomous driving technology.
   * Vehicle Maintenance: Routine maintenance, repairs, and tire replacements for a fleet of thousands of cars.
   * Depot and Charging Infrastructure: The cost of building and operating depots for parking, cleaning, and charging the electric fleet.
   * Fuel/Electricity: The cost of electricity to power the fleet.
   * Cleaning and Sanitation: Ensuring the cars are clean for customers.
 * General & Administrative (G&A): This covers the non-R&D corporate functions necessary to run the business.
   * Corporate Salaries: Compensation for executives, finance, HR, legal, and other administrative staff.
   * Customer Support: The cost of providing customer service and technical support to riders.
   * Insurance and Legal: Liability insurance for an autonomous vehicle fleet is a significant and complex expense.
   * Marketing and Sales: Expenses related to promoting the Waymo One service and business development.
   * Office Space: Rent and utilities for corporate offices.
Financial Context and Outlook
 * Operating Losses: Waymo, like many "Other Bets," is currently operating at a significant loss. Estimates have placed these losses in the billions of dollars annually. Alphabet has consistently provided substantial funding (e.g., a multi-year $5 billion investment) to support Waymo's long-term development and scaling.
 * Path to Profitability: The long-term business model for Waymo is to achieve profitability by scaling its service to a point where revenue per ride exceeds the per-mile operating costs. The key to this is a massive scale, which will allow the company to spread its high fixed R&D costs over a much larger number of paid trips. As the cost of the autonomous vehicle hardware decreases and the operational efficiency of the fleet improves, the per-mile cost should drop, making the service more profitable.
 * Revenue Growth: While Waymo is not profitable yet, its revenue is growing as it expands its service areas (e.g., Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles) and increases the number of paid trips. This revenue growth, along with continued investment from Alphabet, is a key indicator of its progress.

 

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gladys
今天TSLA相对于QQQ显示 relative strength, 后市还是值得买入的
颜阳
你思考问题太片面,容易误导他人。而且还是老虎屁股模不得,听不得质疑。
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lionhill
你很自信呀,你怎么知道我的分析不反立面,再去看看我的帖子,包括今天发的
颜阳
TSLA YEAR TO DATE跌这么多说明了什么还不清楚吗?
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lionhill
任何人质疑有水平我都尊重,没有具体数据支撑我都当放屁
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gladys
我的意思是说,把今天作为起点,qqq后面能涨的幅度和tsla后面能涨的幅度相比,tsla占优势
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lionhill
在这个坛子最后一次回你的贴子,以后不会犯贱
颜阳
你说它打价格战可挣钱,至少也要算一下营运成本吧。电动车折旧率非常高还有其他成本,你什么也没算就瞎吹。别人批判一下就不行
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TakeMyTime
和自己不是同类的人去争论是浪费自己的生命,且你一直处于劣势,因为你没有他们所具有的删帖“手段”,
颜阳
对!没有具体数据支撑我都当放屁! 你说它打价格战可以挣钱,至少也要算一下营运成本吧。否则的确是放屁.lol
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lionhill
再看一下这,现在Waymo 一个季度就赔1.25B, 一年至少5B

Since Waymo is a private subsidiary of Alphabet Inc., it does not publicly report its own detailed financial results. Instead, its performance is grouped into Alphabet's "Other Bets" segment, which also includes other ventures like Verily and Google Fiber.
However, based on Alphabet's financial disclosures and analyst estimates, we can get a strong sense of the company's annual losses.
Key Takeaways from Public Information
 * Operating Losses: The "Other Bets" segment consistently reports significant operating losses. For example, in the second quarter of 2025, the "Other Bets" segment reported an operating loss of approximately $1.246 billion. This indicates a substantial quarterly loss, with Waymo widely believed to be the primary driver of these losses due to its high R&D and scaling costs.
 * Analyst Estimates: Outside analysts have attempted to model Waymo's specific financials. For example, some estimates from 2024 suggested that Waymo's annual losses could be in the range of $1.2 to $1.5 billion.
 * Total Investment: Alphabet has invested tens of billions of dollars into Waymo since its inception. A 2024 article mentioned that Alphabet has committed to a multi-year investment of up to $5 billion in Waymo, which is consistent with its recent annual investment levels.
 * Revenue vs. Losses: While Waymo's revenue is growing as it expands its services in cities like Phoenix, San Francisco, and Los Angeles, these revenues are still a small fraction of its massive operating expenses. The company's goal is to scale to a point where revenue per ride, multiplied by millions of rides, can eventually cover its high fixed costs, particularly R&D.
In summary, while we don't have a precise, officially reported number for Waymo's annual loss, it's widely estimated to be in the billions of dollars each year. This is a deliberate strategy by Alphabet to invest heavily in a long-term, high-potential technology with the goal of achieving market dominance and future profitability.

 

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lionhill
看一下我下面贴的Waymo operating loss, 有什么可挣的
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lionhill
你在这个坛子发过一篇有价值的分析吗,每天牛逼哄哄的,不知水平在那,这是最后回应你没闲工夫浪费时间
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lionhill
还删贴,who cares, 至于你更是垃圾从来不care.
颜阳
这一个BILLION很多是PARKING LOT COST。你好像完全不知道。
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Artspace87
去年一年TSLA涨了72%,挺多的,今年上半年滞涨很正常啊。
颜阳
一个BILLION很多是PARKING LOT COST。你好像完全不知道。你算过TESLA打价格战亏多少吗? LOL
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lionhill
你自己的assumption ,看看谷歌自己怎么说的

Determining the exact percentage of Waymo's operating expenses that hardware and car costs account for is not possible with publicly available information. Waymo is a private company, and its financial results are not broken out from its parent company, Alphabet Inc.'s, "Other Bets" segment.
However, we can infer some key points and estimates from industry analysis and scattered public comments:
1. Hardware and Car Costs are a Significant Upfront Investment, but Not the Largest Operating Expense.
 * Initial Cost Estimates: The total cost of a single Waymo vehicle, including the base car and the full autonomous driving sensor suite (LiDAR, cameras, radar, compute), is estimated to be in the range of $110,000 to $150,000 or more.
 * Depreciation vs. Operating Expense: This is a large capital expenditure, which is then depreciated over the vehicle's lifespan. While this is a major investment, the yearly depreciation cost is likely not the largest single component of the company's operating expenses.
2. Research & Development (R&D) is the Dominant Expense.
 * The single largest and most critical expense for Waymo is and has always been Research & Development. This includes:
   * The enormous cost of hiring and retaining top-tier AI and software engineering talent.
   * The immense cost of data processing, simulation, and training of their autonomous driving models.
 * Industry consensus is that these R&D expenses far outweigh the costs associated with the physical vehicles themselves. This is why Waymo's "Other Bets" segment consistently reports billions of dollars in losses annually, even as their fleet scales.
3. As the Fleet Scales, Fleet Operations Become More Important.
 * While R&D remains the largest expense, as Waymo expands its robotaxi service, the costs of fleet operations will grow in importance. These costs include:
   * Vehicle maintenance and repairs.
   * Depot and charging infrastructure.
   * The amortization of the high-cost hardware and vehicles.
In summary: While the total cost of a Waymo vehicle is substantial, it is not the largest component of its operating expenses. The overwhelming majority of Waymo's costs are tied to the long-term, high-tech development of its autonomous driving software. The high cost of the vehicles themselves is a key input, but it is amortized over time and is dwarfed by the continuous, multi-billion-dollar R&D expenditures.

 

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lionhill
你自己的assumption ,看看谷歌自己怎么说的

Determining the exact percentage of Waymo's operating expenses that hardware and car costs account for is not possible with publicly available information. Waymo is a private company, and its financial results are not broken out from its parent company, Alphabet Inc.'s, "Other Bets" segment.
However, we can infer some key points and estimates from industry analysis and scattered public comments:
1. Hardware and Car Costs are a Significant Upfront Investment, but Not the Largest Operating Expense.
 * Initial Cost Estimates: The total cost of a single Waymo vehicle, including the base car and the full autonomous driving sensor suite (LiDAR, cameras, radar, compute), is estimated to be in the range of $110,000 to $150,000 or more.
 * Depreciation vs. Operating Expense: This is a large capital expenditure, which is then depreciated over the vehicle's lifespan. While this is a major investment, the yearly depreciation cost is likely not the largest single component of the company's operating expenses.
2. Research & Development (R&D) is the Dominant Expense.
 * The single largest and most critical expense for Waymo is and has always been Research & Development. This includes:
   * The enormous cost of hiring and retaining top-tier AI and software engineering talent.
   * The immense cost of data processing, simulation, and training of their autonomous driving models.
 * Industry consensus is that these R&D expenses far outweigh the costs associated with the physical vehicles themselves. This is why Waymo's "Other Bets" segment consistently reports billions of dollars in losses annually, even as their fleet scales.
3. As the Fleet Scales, Fleet Operations Become More Important.
 * While R&D remains the largest expense, as Waymo expands its robotaxi service, the costs of fleet operations will grow in importance. These costs include:
   * Vehicle maintenance and repairs.
   * Depot and charging infrastructure.
   * The amortization of the high-cost hardware and vehicles.
In summary: While the total cost of a Waymo vehicle is substantial, it is not the largest component of its operating expenses. The overwhelming majority of Waymo's costs are tied to the long-term, high-tech development of its autonomous driving software. The high cost of the vehicles themselves is a key input, but it is amortized over time and is dwarfed by the continuous, multi-billion-dollar R&D expenditures.

 

颜阳
你的东西抄来的多,没啥是自己的思考,
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lionhill
女的一般头发长见识短,你呢头发短见识也短
颜阳
WAYMO最近花了很多钱在PARKING LOT上你连这个都不知道。然后就是没有任何分析计 算就说TSLA出租车肯定挣钱
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QuantFields
说Waymo成本高是因为硬件的,很多就是tesla粉丝,因为不这样讲,tesla robotaxi的大饼怎么讲圆呢
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lionhill
你是英文不行看不懂上面报告吗
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QuantFields
很多看好tesla的文章都是AI小作文,tesla好因为有这,有这,有这。至于有这,有这,咋就好了,是不讲的。
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gladys
是喔,这个角度赞
颜阳
除了人身攻击你还会什么?至少该算一下TESLA 出租车的营运成本吧。CASH FLOW总 要算一下吧

估计你根本不会算CASH FLOW。

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lionhill
自己好好看一下我post的两个报告再下结论,again,自己的钱自己负责没人逼着你投特斯拉
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lionhill
实话实说,不是人生攻击
颜阳
你是不是数学不会,连CASH FLOW也不会算还敢吹牛TESLA自动驾驶这个价格还能挣钱
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lionhill
从来不用AI写东西只是核对数据,何况管它AI不AI,赚钱是硬道理
颜阳
你一点也不聪明。贴的基本是网上抄来拼凑的. 所以最简单的Cash Flow质疑都回答不出。]
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lionhill
哈哈,俗话说的好不要跟女人争辨,今天最后回应
颜阳
你贴的基本是网上抄来拼凑的。所以当别人质疑时因为不知道如何回答所以恼羞成怒.最简单得CASH FLOW都不会算,水平可见

最简单得CASH FLOW都不会算,水平可见很初级。

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lionhill
搅屎棍只有搅屎的水平高
桃花源里人家
投资当然首选护城河很深的,几乎垄断的公司股票。目前7大科技公司里面,面临竞争最激烈的就是特斯拉的电动车(除了自动驾驶)
桃花源里人家
目前特斯拉在自动驾驶领域还是有很深护城河的