请教一下QBI 省税的事

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silentvalley
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上次亮线提到QBI 省税的事,查了一下,非常感兴趣。

For Specified Service Trades or Businesses (SSTBs): If your business is an SSTB (such as those in fields like health, law, accounting, consulting, and more), the QBI deduction begins to phase out when your taxable income exceeds the applicable threshold. The deduction is fully eliminated when your income reaches the upper threshold of the phase-out range. For 2025, the full phase-out occurs at $247,300 for single filers and $494,600 for married couples filing jointly.


For Non-SSTBs: If your business is not an SSTB and your income exceeds the threshold, the QBI deduction is limited to the lesser of: 20% of your QBI; OR The greater of 50% of the W-2 wages paid by the business, or 25% of W-2 wages plus 2.5% of the unadjusted basis immediately after acquisition (UBIA) of qualified property. 

 

比如公司盈利10 million, 那么 2 million 或者 50% W2 可以免税。 假设37% 税, 那就可以省74万税。。这样算来, W2 放4 million (50% W2 = 2 million = 20% QBI)最划算, 虽然要多交SSN(16万8 CAP ) 和 4% 左右Medicare 。。那么问题在于,最高能放多少进W2呢? IRS 说法是reasonable amount。。。以前CPA 计算W2,都是尽量少放,怕多交SSN和Medicare, 那现在是要尽量多放? 

 

谢谢

柠檬椰子汁
Google QBI income limit.

想得太美。

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silentvalley
谢谢。 QBI income limit 仅限于SSTB。好像non-SSTB 没有限制啊。 我理解错了吗?
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silentvalley
https://youtu.be/5R8afUFPRUU
股道西风
Married filing jointly 收入超过39万多开始phase out
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silentvalley
这个YouTube 里没说有limit

https://youtu.be/5R8afUFPRUU
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silentvalley
Phase out 是对于SSTB only, 我理解错了吗?

For Specified Service Trades or Businesses (SSTBs): If your business is an SSTB (such as those in fields like health, law, accounting, consulting, and more), the QBI deduction begins to phase out when your taxable income exceeds the applicable threshold. The deduction is fully eliminated when your income reaches the upper threshold of the phase-out range. For 2025, the full phase-out occurs at $247,300 for single filers and $494,600 for married couples filing jointly.


For Non-SSTBs: If your business is not an SSTB and your income exceeds the threshold, the QBI deduction is limited to the lesser of: 20% of your QBI; OR The greater of 50% of the W-2 wages paid by the business, or 25% of W-2 wages plus 2.5% of the unadjusted basis immediately after acquisition (UBIA) of qualified property. 

股道西风
non SSTB也有phase out rules, SSTB的rule更严
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Girlsmom92
你是对的。limit on passthough self employed who have no w2 issued
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Girlsmom92
如果no-SSTB. Limited is 25%w2+2.5%UBIA, maximum 50%W2. 我的理解
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Girlsmom92
我去年有报QBI for self-employed and airbnb. 收入过线。但仍然有一些QBI, 虽然没有

W2, 但有2.5%xUBIA. 如果有W2. 加上25%xW2, 最大到50%的w2, 当然要少于20%ofbusiness income.

冷雨无声
是的,Non-SSTB phase out 以后可以用W2, UBIA减税, SSTB不能
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Girlsmom92
没有错
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silentvalley
谢谢。 这是我chatGPT 来的。 当然chatGPT有时会胡说

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silentvalley
谢谢。 好像50%W2, 或者25%W2+2.5%UBIA, 哪个更多算哪个?
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silentvalley
谢谢。 那不是自己开很高的W2很划算? 但总的得有个限制。
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Girlsmom92
你对。我看错了。修改了。其实2.5%UBIA也可以不少。做出租可以用
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silentvalley
谢谢。还是不是很清楚,到底phase out 之后怎么操作。特别是公司盈利很高,可以开很高的W2
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Girlsmom92
反正25% W2 加上2.5%UBIA不要超过20%的盈利。
冷雨无声
感觉你的思考很有意义,理论上有一个最佳W2值。

我理解的计算是这样的:你这个10米的例子,如果给自己4米W2,那么公司收入只剩6米,你可以减min(6*0.2, 4*0.5) =1.2 ; 3米W2更好, 因为min(7*0.2, 3*0.5) =1.4. 当然前提是3米算reasonable 的W2收入 。 感觉一个大CEO工资也就这个数,不算股票的话, 哈哈。你咨询一下懂的CPA吧。