401K withdrawal的最佳时间。

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24桥明月夜
楼主 (文学峸)

夫妻都决定退休的话,59.5岁到70多必须withdraw的这一段时间,是把401K的钱拿出来的好时候。

401K/403B/457/IRA这些计划的钱拿出来的时候,按照Ordinary Income收税。 如果还在工作,就别拿了,拖着,否则交的税太多了。

从现在的税率看, 最佳的数字是25万一年,这样effective federal tax是不到15%(按照standard deduction算),也就是说比长期资本利得税还要低。这时候最好搬到一个没有州税的地方。

这段时间最好不要叠加社保,或者只用一个人的社保,社保有44K的免税额,可以不交更多的税。

再以后就必须要取了,那时候还有社保,而401K如果投资好的话,基本还是要交很多税。

如果还有什么投资房的收入之类的, 留一些折旧的余地,少算点Accounting Income。

 

 

 

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QuantFields
不用等到59.5岁就可以免罚金取出。两种方法:Age of 55 rule或者SEPP
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24桥明月夜
我明白。但是大部分人59.5岁之前还在工作,工资叠加Withdrawal肯定是要交很多税的。
凊荷
转到roth ira

要算好税率。

恒妈
一年取二十五万,十年取没了或不够哇

哪有那么多在401里

恒妈
一年取二十五万,怎么存Roth 呢
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24桥明月夜
我只想说你想如何取能够少交税。 其他的不在我的讨论之中。
恒妈
怎么存roth 呢,取出来那么多,也不合格
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24桥明月夜
Roth可以Convert,就是你把钱从401K里直接Roll到一个Roth IRA的账户,但是这笔钱你要交税的,

税是在这笔钱之外付的。这笔钱进不到你的银行账号。

Convert以后,要5年以后才能开始取。

恒妈
谢谢明白了,要交税的,钱不多还是留着养老用吧不折滕了
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BigMountain6
Converted Roth, 取钱时没有5-year rule 限制吧?
夕阳染沙
我理解是有5年限制的
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24桥明月夜
Yes, meaning you must wait for 5 years

after the conversion to withdraw the funds in your Roth IRA account.

h
hhtt
没有什么最佳提取401 k的时间段和金额!关键别等到RMD时,被动提取4%,特别是401k里的金额比较大。
h
hhtt
有个二三百万在RMD的时候,4%也不过8万到12万,所以要根据在401 k里有多少金额。
破界
不必全都赶在RMD之前转完,RMD之后的时间也可以算进去。
y
yesterday*once*more
要区分principal和earning:

Here are four examples that illustrate the effect of this first five-year rule:

Scenario 1: You are age 60 and you funded your first Roth IRA three years ago. In 2025, you take a distribution. You will be taxed on the earnings amount of the distribution because it’s been less than five years since you first contributed to the Roth IRA. Scenario 2: You’ve owned a Roth IRA since 2006. In 2022, you opened and funded a second Roth IRA. Because you funded your first Roth in 2006, you needn’t wait five years to take money from your second Roth for the earnings to be tax-free, provided you are at least age 59½ at the time of the distribution. Scenario 3: You did a partial Roth IRA conversion in 2016. You did a second partial Roth IRA conversion in 2022, when you were age 67. In 2025, you take a distribution from your Roth IRA. You will not be taxed on the distributed earnings because it's been more than five years since you first deposited money into any IRA (through the first conversion). Scenario 4: You did a Roth IRA conversion in 2012. In 2023, you opened and funded a second Roth IRA. Because you first deposited money into a Roth in 2012, you needn't wait five years to take money from your second Roth for the earnings to be tax-free, provided you are at least age 59½. https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/five-year-rule-on-roth-ira-contributions-and-payouts-kiplinger-tax-letter
人言可畏
为了cover 65岁前医保,总有一个人工作。Convert 20万IRA去Roth是最高极限,还得convert很多年
上海大男人
一看到“最佳”就暗笑,想到全国人民批评沪上人“最精”。窝西孔。
d
dudaan
最高极限是什么意思?
人言可畏
假设还没退的年收入20万,再加20万convert;是不想把tax bracket推上32% (40万)
小小试一下水
Medicare 保费也是个考虑因素,取出401K不管做什么同样会抬高Medicare 保费的计算base, plan

B 和D 的保费都有可能被影响到。

雨丝丝
401K复利增长超出想象,真的是取之不尽用之不竭。应尽早转到Roth IRA,否则多交几十万到上百万的收入税。
拍浪
“局部”最佳还是有的。