pension + SS 如够生活是不是不用投资了

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TigerGC
楼主 (文学峸)
我们俩口都刚过60,准备这几年退休,两个人的pension 每年有15万左右,社安金在6万左右,而且还有终身医疗保险。RothIRA和403有一百万。现在住的地方比较便宜,将来也许会搬到比较贵的地方,房子准备买一百万左右的,首付准备放70万左右,其它的贷款。这样可行吗?
柠檬椰子汁
首付放那么多干什么?能多借就多借,又不是还不起。
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TigerGC
好主意,特别是利息低的话。另外有个问求教,403b能转成Roth IRA吗?
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sept.
你要是有15万pension,拿不到SSN
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sept.
这个法令叫做Windfall Elimination Provision
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TigerGC
我们每月交为什么拿不到?
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NClady
能详细说说吗?没听写过这个。
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NClady
但这个法令只是征对雇主不交SS tax 的人吧?

If you work for an employer who doesn't withhold Social Security taxes from your salary, any retirement or disability pension you get from that work can reduce your Social Security benefits.

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dfwoneth_wxc
猜测楼主不是政府官员就是大学教授
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TigerGC
差不多
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hhtt
这要看你的退休金是哪里的,风险排列是:公司退休金>大学退休金>州政府退休金>联邦政府退休金。
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NClady
我也觉得是,除非不交SS,不可能交了拿不到。不make sense. 也没听说周围有人这样
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TigerGC
我也是这样理解的
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hhtt
15万的退休金,就等同于有3.75米的可投资资产!
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ZeroSumGame
你这是按照活多少岁算的?
小小试一下水
是, 交了SS的, SS 可以领, 跟有没有pension 没关系。
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sept.
我有个邻居是大学教授,退休了,拿到的SSN是减掉以后的
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TigerGC
和401k比,没有本金留给下一代哈哈哈
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hhtt
不是!就是以4%Withdrawal Rule。15万要靠3.75米产生。
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ZeroSumGame
如果有pension,SSB会减少
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Smilee
Should be more than enough
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NClady
你退休后是肯定可以的。现在可不可以,或许与单位要求有关?
柠檬椰子汁
针对那些交pension fee不交社保税的公司,基本上是州政府包括州立大学。

如果你交pension fee也交社保税,拿pension不影响拿社保税。

 

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Smilee
How much tax do you need to pay?
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Smilee
After 59.5
柠檬椰子汁
糊涂!pension死后就没了,3.75米的4%规则是说后代还能继承3.75米。
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hz82000
If you have a covered pension (meaning you paid Social

If you have a covered pension (meaning you paid Social Security taxes on the wages you earned from the employer), the SSA will not reduce your Social Security benefits.

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Smilee
You can receive both pension + SSN
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NClady
总结一下,楼主的pension 不会减少

There are two different kinds of pensions: covered and noncovered. 

A covered pension is a pension based on employment that withheld Social Security taxes from your wages. A noncovered pension is based on employment that did not withhold Social Security taxes from your wages. These employers are typically state and local governments or non-U.S. employers.  

 

If you have a covered pension (meaning you paid Social Security taxes on the wages you earned from the employer), the SSA will not reduce your Social Security benefits

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Smilee
My thought is to spend them all. :)
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hhtt
按照楼下的说法,15万退休金,用7万2,存7万8。40年后,就是光存入的钱,就有3.12米,如果投资SPY,就有15米。
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sept.
对,她是州大教授
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hhtt
是的,从遗产这方面考虑,这就是退休金和401k的不同。
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hz82000
是,活着的时候大大方方花,自己高兴,大家高兴,缘份就一世
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TigerGC
哈哈哈,那不行,满足自己的需求后,才考虑投资留给下一代
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TigerGC
税肯定跑不了
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TigerGC
如退休金和社安够花的话,准备把Roth Ira的钱留给2个孙子辈付学费
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old-beijing
40年之后, 他们已经100多岁了, 有多少钱有意义吗?
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yangyang08
别提定投了,只要活得足够长,都B了
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spookyoldtree
不准确。应该是如果发pension的单位免掉了你的SS tax,你的SSI会减少。否则不会。
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NClady
我打算等第三代一出生(还没有)就开始给存529。每年存,到十八岁,希望就存差不多了

我们现在还没存过529,都是靠工资付的。希望可以给第三代存一点

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hhtt
为什么不现在就开始存529?
螺丝螺帽
正确
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NClady
现在还没第三代呢(希望早点有呢)。两个小孩已经毕业也不需要学费了。
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TigerGC
现在也存
凊荷
你这pension可以留给孩子吗?
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TigerGC
我们已有2个孙子辈每年生日一岁一千到18岁存529
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spookyoldtree
没有本金不能直接除4%。如果当成25年distribution的话,相当于$2.8-3M
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TigerGC
可以,但我们现在必须少拿
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NClady
很好啊!我希望我早点升级啊。
凊荷
楼主的pension可以留给孩子的
凊荷
你不是说pension可以留给孩子么
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spookyoldtree
跟留本金不是一个概念。她的留给孩子的话,自己的就要减少
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TigerGC
但我们现在必须少拿。不准备这样做。先顾自己再说
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TigerGC
是,但我们现在必须少拿。不打算这样做
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hhtt
你不用等有了再存,现在就可以存!
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NClady
不知道可以这样的。不用写小孩的名字吗?对529还真没研究过。要去做点功课。
凊荷
但你这个应该more than enough的

但你这个应该more than enough的。 如果留给孩子,我觉得你的pension回到12万左右,加六万的SSI, 加401,真的不少。 取一分pension还是两份 is very critical too

凊荷
也问一下,

也问一下,
我LD有pension,他自己没有交过SS tax,他就eligible拿我的SSI的一半?

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spookyoldtree
具体计算公式要Google一下。一般分为以下两种

Your Social Security income can be affected if you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security. This is primarily due to two rules:

Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP): The WEP can reduce your Social Security retirement or disability benefits if you receive a pension from an employer who did not withhold Social Security taxes from your salary, such as a government agency or an employer in another country. The WEP affects how your Social Security benefit is calculated, potentially resulting in a lower benefit amount. The formula used to calculate Social Security benefits is modified, reducing the percentage of your average indexed monthly earnings (AIME) that is converted into your benefit.

Government Pension Offset (GPO): The GPO affects your Social Security spousal or survivor benefits if you receive a pension from a federal, state, or local government based on work where you did not pay Social Security taxes. If you're entitled to Social Security benefits as a spouse or widow/widower but also receive a government pension, the GPO may reduce your Social Security benefits by two-thirds of your government pension. In some cases, this can completely eliminate your Social Security spousal or survivor benefit.

凊荷
谢谢了
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haomahaoma99
当然同时拿得到全额pension& ssn如果你每张pay check都交ss tax的话
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old-beijing
即使每年取4%,本金还会增长,只是时间变长2。 本来可能7年后还有750万, 现在要12年后才会来750万
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old-beijing
到my social security 查一下就知道你退休后能拿多少了。