请教:是先做PET-Tumor-Total Body还是先看肿瘤医生?

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yuanshangdu
楼主 (文学峸)

家母(78岁)CT结果显示有Colon Cancer,因为也怀疑有淋巴和肺部转移,家庭医生安排了PET-Tumor-Total Body。如果已经转移到淋巴和肺部的话,一般不建议手术。家母比较抵抗外科手术。

肠镜医生建议先看肿瘤医生,PET可以延后,听肿瘤医生安排,因为肺部结果可能是年轻时肺结核遗留的。

到底应该先做PET-Tumor-Total Body还是先看肿瘤医生?

多谢!

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Conlonnoscopy results: 

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We performed your procedure due to an indication of:

Colonic mass - K63.89 

Elevated CEA: 795.81 - R97.0

Hematochezia: 578.1 -K92.1

Protruding Lesions

A large fungating mass of malignant appearance was found in the rectosigmoid junction at 10 cm from the anus.

The mass caused a complete obstruction. The scope could not traverse the lesion and the exam could not be finished. Cold forceps biopsies were performed. 4mL of SPOT ink injections were successfully applied for tattooing at 2 opposite walls just distal to the mass. Medium grade/stage lI internal hemorrhoids were noted.

  ============ CT results: ============

FINDINGS:

CHEST:

Thyroid gland: Homogenous.

Lymphadenopathy: None. Calcified mediastinal and hilar nodes related to old granulomatous disease. Heart: Normal in size.

Aorta and pulmonary artery trunk: Dilated pulmonary artery trunk measuring up to 4.4 cm suggestive of underlying pulmonary artery hypertension. Ascending thoracic aorta is also aneurysmal measuring up to 5.2 cm. Aortic arch and descending thoracic aorta are normal in diameter. No aortic dissection or central or segmental pulmonary embolism.

Tracheobronchial tree: Patent.

Lungs and pleural: Large 5x4 cm right upper lobe calcified granulomas with associated pulmonary distortion. Scattered smaller calcified granulomas are also present. There are several bilateral pulmonary micronodules measuring up to 5 mm in the left lower lobe.

 

ABDOMEN & PELVIS: Liver: Unremarkable.

Gallbladder: Cholecystectomy. 

Pancreas: Unremarkable.

Spleen: Unremarkable.

Adrenal Glands: Unremarkable.

Kidneys and ureters: No nephrolithiasis or hydroureteronephrosis. 

Bladder: Unremarkable.

 

Gastrointestinal tract: Long segment circumferential thickening of the rectosigmoid consistent with malignancy. This is insuperable from posterior uterine serosa. There is nodal metastasis to the sigmoid mesocolon nodes which measure up to 1cm.

Reproductive organs: Fibroid uterus. No adnexal mass. Aorta: Atherosclerotic changes without aneurysmal dilatation.

Lymphadenopathy: No retroperitoneal lymphadenopathy.

Bones: Multilevel degenerative changes. No acute fracture or suspicious lesions. Extraabdominal soft tissues: Unremarkable.

 

Unless otherwise recommended, any incidental findings identified above require no follow up imaging based on consensus recommendations. Fleischner 2017 criteria utilized when applicable for pulmonary nodule follow-up.

IMPRESSION:

1 Long segment circumferential thickening of the rectosigmoid consistent with malignancy. This is inseparable from posterior uterine serosa. There is nodal metastasis to the sigmoid mesocolon nodes which measure up to 1cm. No liver metastasis or retroperitoneal nodal metastasis.

2. Several bilateral pulmonary micronodules are present and could be related to metastasis or benign.

   
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fuz
当然先检查,医生才好评估。不要心怀侥幸,想省两大子。目前已有完全性阻塞和出血,必须及早手术或化疗。别拖
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yuanshangdu
多谢!因为两位医生给出的意见不太一致,所以有些困惑。费用都有保险,不影响决定。
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fuz
还有,肠镜取样基因检测做了么?
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yuanshangdu
今天刚做完colonoscopy。已经取样,下周出Pathology结果。不清楚Pathology是否包括基因

检测。还是需要另外单独安排基因检测?

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yuanshangdu
多谢!如果要做基因检测的话,还需要重新取样吗?还是可以重复利用做Pathology的样本?
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yuanshangdu
非常感谢!

凊荷
你这是在加拿大?

这种情况,美国会立刻看专科和肿瘤科大夫的

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yuanshangdu
洛杉矶,谢谢!刚问过肠镜医生,得到如下回复:

“There's some genetics testing done on the tissue but if the oncologist wants to perform additional genetic testing, it's done through blood or saliva testing”

 

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littlerabbit
不需要重新取样
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yuanshangdu
多谢!
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IloveOrange
肿瘤医生会看PET, 建议先做P ET再看肿瘤医生
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pickshell
倾向先看肿瘤医生,肿瘤医生同样也会给做PET,结果相差不了几天。

知道有些肿瘤癌症专科医院,即便你家医给做了PET,到肿瘤医生那还得再做一次PET,毕竟治疗还得靠癌症专科医生。这结肠肿瘤已够大的,现在连肠镜头都难以穿过了,想不出这不做手术还能有何办法,难不成非等完全肠梗阻再紧急手术吗?

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yuanshangdu
多谢回复!
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yuanshangdu
多谢回复!
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dudaan
当年我母亲(在国内)发现肠癌因高龄不能手术,一位资深西医的建议

这位权威退休后被返聘到和睦家医院。他说,在这种情况下,建议服用鸦胆子油胶囊试试,因为他亲见有的无望康复的病人服用后奇迹痊愈。他说,70-80%的人无效,但其余的人显效,按照循证医学标准无效,但不妨一试。资深西医推荐一种植物药让我有些吃惊。后因我兄长坚决反对任何中药/植物药而没有采取医生的建议。

不久前一位患口腔癌的高龄老人无法手术,医生说她恐怕只有几个月的寿命了,我和本坛网友欲千北商量,推荐她外用+内服这种胶囊,两个月后她感染新冠,新冠好了以后医生惊奇地发现癌已经缩小,最近一次检查发现癌肿进一步缩小到原来的五分之一。已经完全无碍了。不知道是这种植物药有效还是新冠病毒杀掉了癌细胞或者两者巧合同时起了作用。

你自己可以查查鸦胆子油+癌症。

我不知道在美国能否买到这种胶囊。

仅供参考。

老道
应该尽快看肿瘤科医生,癌症治疗是多学科整体治疗,而肿瘤科医生是掌舵人。这个病人已有转移和其它器官侵犯,需要化疗甚至术前化

疗。PET- CT可以提供更多远处转移的信息,但不要专门等PET- CT。这个病人需要手术(如果整体状况容许,病人愿意接受的话),根治性手术或姑息性手术(单纯造瘘手术)。这个病人随时可能发展为急性完全性肠梗阻,到那时只能急症手术造瘘,而急症手术的死亡率要远高于术前准备完善的结肠手术。再有这个肿物已经累积到子宫直肠窝了,很难做常规的直肠/乙状结肠切除,有可能需要做Pelvic exenteration手术。

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yuanshangdu
非常感谢分享的信息!
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yuanshangdu
非常感谢!
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yuanshangdu
感恩所有的回复和建议!目前已经安排了下周四做PET,同时在等一个City of Hope的肿瘤医生的排期,希望是下周早。
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jeffcausa
看这本书,她本人Colon Cancer用喝胡萝卜汁完全治好了:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0692521763?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

 

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yuanshangdu
谢谢信息分享!