【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : lol, then how you rule out the possibility: 武汉起源 AND 武汉先发现 : the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has : some responsibility for it. : don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims: out there in the world.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : lol, then how you rule out the possibility: 武汉起源 AND 武汉先发现 : the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has : some responsibility for it. : don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims: out there in the world.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : did I say anything about or compare anything with US or Canada ? : why you turn to talk about US and Canada? clearly you 胡扯八道. : I just asked a question, how you rule out this possibility: : the virus originated in Wuhan AND started to spread from Wuhan ?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : did I say anything about or compare anything with US or Canada ? : why you turn to talk about US and Canada? clearly you 胡扯八道. : I just asked a question, how you rule out this possibility: : the virus originated in Wuhan AND started to spread from Wuhan ?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : what you said does NOT address anything specific about the facts or the : question I asked. Or maybe you don't want to face it at all. : you probably don't realize you are just blurring around, : you clarified nothing but 胡搅蛮缠.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : "没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来" LOL, what a joke : The virus started to spread from Wuhan, and : the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan, period. : That is the fact the whole world saw. : No one requires you to prove otherwise.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : for that, you really put too much significance in me, pls don't. : speaking of significant people, pls pay more attention to Xi and his fans, : trust me, they are far more significant!
because now it is confirmed that this virus appeared in Italy at least two months ahead of Wuhan.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : you did not face the question, : how you rule out the possibility: : virus originated in Wuhan AND virus started to spread from Wuhan ? : the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has : at least some responsibility for it. : don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims : out there in the world.
I would say it was firstly noticed and diagnosed in Wuhan. US CDC confirmed that at least as early as in early December, this virus was already in multi-states in US, when did US confirmed the first case?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : the virus started to spread from Wuhan, : this single fact means Wuhan has at least some responsibility for it. : Don't make it fucking sound like Wuhan is pure victim, : there are many REAL victims out there in the world.
but it didn't spread from US to become a damn pandemic,
do you mean they controlled better?
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】 : I would say it was firstly noticed and diagnosed in Wuhan. US CDC confirmed : that at least as early as in early December, this virus was already in multi : -states in US, when did US confirmed the first case?
it spreads in US, 800K people died. They controlled better? I am not convinced. 【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : but it didn't spread from US to become a damn pandemic, : do you mean they controlled better? : confirmed : multi
It's the same. Every country had its first case, then it exploded. If you cannot control it, don't blame others. Plus, this virus was in Italy and US before it was noticed and diagnosed. What happens in Wuhan cannot change the course in Italy and US.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : don't mix topic, : it's talking about the place where virus exploded and spread to become the : pandemic : it's about the starting place, not about different nations' reaction after : the start.
It's up to everyone who affected by the damn pandemic in the world.
Tell you a truth about the virus origination, NO one will remember US or Italy.
again, the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has at least some responsibility for it. Don't make it fucking sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims out there in the world.
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】 : It's the same. Every country had its first case, then it exploded. If you : cannot control it, don't blame others. : Plus, this virus was in Italy and US before it was noticed and diagnosed. : What happens in Wuhan cannot change the course in Italy and US.
You are repeating nonsense. US has 50million confirmed cases and 800K people died, does it have responsibility? No one will remember US or Italy? Scientists do.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : Don't start by asserting it's the same. : It's not up to you to say it's same or not same. : It's up to everyone who affected by the damn pandemic in the world. : Tell you a truth about the virus origination, NO one will remember US or : Italy. : again, : the virus started to spread from Wuhan, : this single fact means Wuhan has at least some responsibility for it. : Don't make it fucking sound like Wuhan is pure victim, : there are many REAL victims out there in the world.
the virus exploded in Wuhan and spread to the world from Wuhan, and after that US got many many infected and died,
the 1st question is: does Wuhan and China have responsibility?
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】 : You are repeating nonsense. US has 50million confirmed cases and 800K people : died, does it have responsibility? : No one will remember US or Italy? Scientists do.
yes, some scientists will remember US and Italy, while other scientists and most other normal people in the world will remember Wuhan,
very objectively speaking, they will remember Wuhan! I am not saying this solely for arguing with anyone.
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】 : You are repeating nonsense. US has 50million confirmed cases and 800K people : died, does it have responsibility? : No one will remember US or Italy? Scientists do.
How dare you say "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"?
川普的大孙子是他的小儿子操出来的吗？
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : "没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来" LOL, what a joke : The virus started to spread from Wuhan, and : the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan, period. : That is the fact the whole world saw. : No one requires you to prove otherwise.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : the virus exploded in Wuhan and spread to the world from Wuhan, : and after that US got many many infected and died, : the 1st question is: does Wuhan and China have responsibility? : people
How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"!
Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】 : 基因序列数据库上有， : 意大利2019年9-10月就有武汉毒株的后代病毒了。 : How dare you say "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"? : 川普的大孙子是他的小儿子操出来的吗？
oh, you seem allowing people to ask that question, really?
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】 : what responsibility you are seeking for China? 【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : the virus exploded in Wuhan and spread to the world from Wuhan, : and after that US got many many infected and died, : the 1st question is: does Wuhan and China have responsibility? : people
I suspect "other scientists", mostly I see are pseudo scientists.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : yes, some scientists will remember US and Italy, : while other scientists and most other normal people in the world will : remember Wuhan, : very objectively speaking, they will remember Wuhan! : I am not saying this solely for arguing with anyone. : people
Five cents have no common sense and logical thinking.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"! : Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and : spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
Because it was firstly diagnosed in Wuhan. Yet it went un-noticed in Italy and US for months. 【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"! : Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and : spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
Did I never allow you asking questions? Even stupid questions are OK. 【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : oh, you seem allowing people to ask that question, really?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"! : Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and : spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
Means it was not diagnosed, and the symptoms and deaths were attributed to flu. Remember even in April Trump still thought that is just a big flu? That is the mentality.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : what do you mean "went un-noticed in Italy and US" : if it didn't explode and didn't spread to cause people die, : then apparently it is Not that virus from Wuhan
Regarding the database, I remember Shi claimed WIV's database was under hacking by external forces, that is why they shutdown the connection to outside. Later, US news media reported that CIA was probing WIV's database in 2019 September. So both accounts match.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】 : oh, you were thinking I was the so called 1450! : that's why you said "exposed", I see. But, you are wrong. : I guess you are just another 50cents. : You 50cents are all the same, call people 1450 whenever you have nothing to : say.
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】 : 基因序列数据库上有， : 意大利2019年9-10月就有武汉毒株的后代病毒了。 : How dare you say "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"? : 川普的大孙子是他的小儿子操出来的吗？
Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-origin-covid-mps-told/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
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SARS2当感冒治根本治不好。这个病传染力，重症率，死亡率都远高于感冒。
感觉你们就是一群科盲。
【 在 shanghaibaba (上海爸爸) 的大作中提到: 】
: 传了，但当感冒治了。
: 武汉当时主要是恐慌造成的医疗挤兑。
传了，但当感冒治了。
武汉当时主要是恐慌造成的医疗挤兑。
【 在 lmitbbsl (承让承让) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: mit和Harvard也开始辱华了？说是中国泄露病毒
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Dec 17 20:58:18 2021, 美东)
:
: 你倒是看看SARS2的传染力，中小城市一样能传。欧洲还有那么多大城市罗马，巴黎，
: 莫斯科等等。
:
: 我鳖这里一线城市哪个比武汉人少，怎么没有先爆？
:
: 【 在 chace (Time is money, friend!) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 你倒是数数意大利有哪个城市人口上了千万？ 别说千万， 上三百万的有吗？
:
:
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你倒是看看SARS2的传染力，中小城市一样能传。欧洲还有那么多大城市罗马，巴黎，
莫斯科等等。
我鳖这里一线城市哪个比武汉人少，怎么没有先爆？
【 在 chace (Time is money, friend!) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你倒是数数意大利有哪个城市人口上了千万？ 别说千万， 上三百万的有吗？
没数据，不要信口开河。。。
再说数据随处可查的。。。
【 在 chace (Time is money, friend!) 的大作中提到: 】
: 意大利的人口密度哪能跟武汉比
没数据。 武汉有山， 有湖， 有长江， 怎么算人类活动面积也不好说
【 在 Telomerase (半仙) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那意大利各城市人口密度和武汉人口密度，哪个密度大？
🛋️ 沙发板凳
本来就是。
妈的个八字，
病毒害人。。。。。。
瞧你傻机巴操性。你这个病毒，还不滚出美国
【 在 pta (南海是公海) 的大作中提到: 】
: 本来就是。
麻痹的这事美帝中帝都最好别提
一争吵梅花就倒霉
【 在 dealfinder (Deal+Findddddder) 的大作中提到: 】
: Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told
: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-
origin
: -covid-mps-told/
: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-
leak
: -likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
Alina Chan, from Taiwan.
台巴子
不用看就知道
希望她和她子女被疮瘟打死
又一个神经病的千老出现了
看清楚一点好不好，就是个Broad Institute的千老，精神外F坡女在那里上窜下跳的。不在实验室好好板砖，一天发几十条推特自我推销。
估计是找工作不顺利，搞个剑走偏锋在某个Think Tank里面找铁饭碗。在新加坡学的中文，进CIA也不是没可能，
有没有搞生信的千老来扒一扒这个Alina Chan的文章到底怎样？
叔不是五毛，只是觉得某些人踩小黄人上位的姿势太难看。
【 在 dealfinder (Deal+Findddddder) 的大作中提到: 】
: Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told
: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-
origin
: -covid-mps-told/
: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-
leak
: -likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
这个和哈佛黑女用武汉医院停车场来证明武汉起源发了文章那教授比，那个牛？
主要思想一样，都是随便搞点所谓的data, 用“统计角度”来证明起源。这种人被政客所用是时间问题。
现在搞的动静这么大，Broad Institute那边估计也不敢让她走人。那边华人发考题貌
似也不少，希望不要被这种人逼着出来站队。
【 在 krzkrz (krzkrz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个和哈佛黑女用武汉医院停车场来证明武汉起源发了文章那教授比，那个牛？
骂的好
【 在 dunkenzhao (ueu) 的大作中提到: 】
: 瞧你傻机巴操性。你这个病毒，还不滚出美国
先把川普的小儿子怎么生出川普的大孙子的事情搞清楚，再来谈所谓中国病毒。
妈的。
Alina Chan新加坡裔加拿大MIT女千老。
不是MIT, Harvard官方观点，也不是学界观点。
她从去年就一直lead这个说法，还出了本书。
她没有任何证据，就是表述她的个人观点。
病毒学家鄙夷的对象。
DYLW表瞎JB high
你妈 这女的真是个贱逼
版上千老有空么 给丫怼回去
【 在 StMicheal (archangel) 的大作中提到: 】
: Alina Chan新加坡裔加拿大MIT女千老。
: 不是MIT, Harvard官方观点，也不是学界观点。
: 她从去年就一直lead这个说法，还出了本书。
: 她没有任何证据，就是表述她的个人观点。
: 病毒学家鄙夷的对象。
: DYLW表瞎JB high
别掺和，这是大国博弈的分战场之一。
把自己搭进去。
她是工具人，背后有很多政治势力在挺，是中美博弈前线。
【 在 Urus (天行九歌之呆毛卫庄) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你妈 这女的真是个贱逼
: 版上千老有空么 给丫怼回去
这个人至今没有被Rubio, Cotton这些人请去congressional hearing，应该有亚裔议员的功劳。所以大家不要太藐视黄左，没有他们，大家早进internment camp了。
【 在 StMicheal (archangel) 的大作中提到: 】
: 别掺和，这是大国博弈的分战场之一。
: 把自己搭进去。
: 她是工具人，背后有很多政治势力在挺，是中美博弈前线。
要感谢学界的科学家们。
美国，欧洲正经leading主流病毒学家们一直在驳斥实验室泄露阴谋论，再加上这一年
不断在东南亚发现新冠的无限接近的近亲，各种数据都指向动物传人。他们积极的在和实验室泄露阴谋论者斗争，打了一年了。
她那本书的合著者本身也是臭名昭著的climate change denier，所以，政客也要掂量
找他们被学界嘲笑，没准儿偷鸡不成蚀把米。也有顾忌。
【 在 ccmath (還沒想好) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个人至今没有被Rubio, Cotton这些人请去congressional hearing，应该有亚裔议员
: 的功劳。所以大家不要太藐视黄左，没有他们，大家早进internment camp了。
武肺从哪里泄漏这种已经是共识的事情再多炒作也没什么意思
【 在 dealfinder (Deal+Findddddder) 的大作中提到: 】
: Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told
: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-
origin
: -covid-mps-told/
: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-
leak
: -likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
坛子里早就证实这刹笔就一个台巴子，你让它滚出美国，它怎么滚？
【 在 dunkenzhao (ueu) 的大作中提到: 】
: 瞧你傻机巴操性。你这个病毒，还不滚出美国
这个姓詹的女士和许秀中、闫润丽是一类人
不过有竞争关系
闫女士说自己发现了武汉病毒所泄漏病毒
詹女士从来不提闫女士的贡献，只是说自己和合作者（一个白人）一起发现了病毒所泄漏病毒的秘密
这人别的什么也不做，就是到处推自己的观点，法广、大计院、VOA等，还有蔡总统，
为她摇旗呐喊
她是炮弹...哦不，顶天就是颗猪油子弹
【 在 StMicheal (archangel) 的大作中提到: 】
: 别掺和，这是大国博弈的分战场之一。
: 把自己搭进去。
: 她是工具人，背后有很多政治势力在挺，是中美博弈前线。
虾仁猪心啊
【 在 lunzidady (毒轮运之爹) 的大作中提到: 】
: 坛子里早就证实这刹笔就一个台巴子，你让它滚出美国，它怎么滚？
武汉人其实都不争论了，自己也知道确实可能是武汉泄露的
闫大妈不是说的病毒泄漏， 是主动投毒。
尼玛投毒要投在武汉？ 就在病毒所的门口？ 就怕别人疑心起的不够快？
联想到这个眼科转千老的国际著名病毒大妈还说过让BNT辉瑞 莫得纳笑掉大牙的蠢话：“若中国不公布改造病毒过程 疫苗不会有效” http://news.creaders.net/china/2020/08/10/2254866.html
就知道闫大妈是个什么东西
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个姓詹的女士和许秀中、闫润丽是一类人
: 不过有竞争关系
: 闫女士说自己发现了武汉病毒所泄漏病毒
: 詹女士从来不提闫女士的贡献，只是说自己和合作者（一个白人）一起发现了病毒所泄
: 漏病毒的秘密
: 这人别的什么也不做，就是到处推自己的观点，法广、大计院、VOA等，还有蔡总统，
: 为她摇旗呐喊
哈佛黑女主攻方向是health inequality
妥妥的woke pussy
【 在 krzkrz (krzkrz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个和哈佛黑女用武汉医院停车场来证明武汉起源发了文章那教授比，那个牛？
傻逼年年有，今年特别多，
毛蛋 粉红以前排名攻击是美的，只不过打不过人家
人家现在是根据需要，时不时拎出来指点
【 在 desheng (你回来了~~) 的大作中提到: 】
: 麻痹的这事美帝中帝都最好别提
:
: 一争吵梅花就倒霉
:
:
:
: 【 在 dealfinder (Deal+Findddddder) 的大作中提到: 】
: : Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told
: : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-
: origin
: : -covid-mps-told/
: : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-: leak
: : -likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html
闫女士的说法应该是武汉所研究和改造病毒
但是病毒不小心泄漏了
【 在 chace (Time is money, friend!) 的大作中提到: 】
: 闫大妈不是说的病毒泄漏， 是主动投毒。
: 尼玛投毒要投在武汉？ 就在病毒所的门口？ 就怕别人疑心起的不够快？
: 联想到这个眼科转千老的国际著名病毒大妈还说过让BNT辉瑞 莫得纳笑掉大牙的蠢话：
: “若中国不公布改造病毒过程 疫苗不会有效”
: http://news.creaders.net/china/2020/08/10/2254866.html
: 就知道闫大妈是个什么东西
意大利，美国，都比武汉早很多
其实台湾，香港，澳大利亚，也可能比武汉早
【 在 xujianguo (南师附小六年级三班徐建国) 的大作中提到: 】
: 武汉人其实都不争论了，自己也知道确实可能是武汉泄露的
那为啥只有武汉暴了？
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 意大利，美国，都比武汉早很多
: 其实台湾，香港，澳大利亚，也可能比武汉早
武汉先发现了
参考西班牙流感
起源美国
但是西班牙先发现并且公布
【 在 IFN (MDS) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那为啥只有武汉暴了？
lol, then how you rule out the possibility: 武汉起源 AND 武汉先发现
the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has
some responsibility for it.
don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims
out there in the world.
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 武汉先发现了
: 参考西班牙流感
: 起源美国
: 但是西班牙先发现并且公布
【 在 IFN (MDS) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那为啥只有武汉暴了？
Now it is discovered in Italy much earlier.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: lol, then how you rule out the possibility: 武汉起源 AND 武汉先发现
Now it is discovered in Italy much earlier.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: lol, then how you rule out the possibility: 武汉起源 AND 武汉先发现
you did not face the question,
how you rule out the possibility:
virus originated in Wuhan AND virus started to spread from Wuhan ?
the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has
at least some responsibility for it.
don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims
out there in the world.
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: Now it is discovered in Italy much earlier.
你这样胡扯八道，很有意思么？
加拿大的病毒来自美国，这是调查结果，虽然新闻尽量不报道
美国的病毒，迄今没有找到一个可以确定的来自武汉或者中国的传播例子
美国早期故意掩盖，是事实，不给测，只允许测有中国旅行史的，找到一个似乎是的，就欢天喜地到处吼叫，实际上还并不可靠
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: lol, then how you rule out the possibility: 武汉起源 AND 武汉先发现
: the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has
: some responsibility for it.
: don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims: out there in the world.
没错。疫情，美华才是无辜受害者。
【 在 desheng (你回来了~~) 的大作中提到: 】
: 麻痹的这事美帝中帝都最好别提
: 一争吵梅花就倒霉
: origin
: leak
did I say anything about or compare anything with US or Canada ?
why you turn to talk about US and Canada? clearly you 胡扯八道.
I just asked a question, how you rule out this possibility:
the virus originated in Wuhan AND started to spread from Wuhan ?
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你这样胡扯八道，很有意思么？
: 加拿大的病毒来自美国，这是调查结果，虽然新闻尽量不报道
: 美国的病毒，迄今没有找到一个可以确定的来自武汉或者中国的传播例子
: 美国早期故意掩盖，是事实，不给测，只允许测有中国旅行史的，找到一个似乎是的，
: 就欢天喜地到处吼叫，实际上还并不可靠
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: lol, then how you rule out the possibility: 武汉起源 AND 武汉先发现
: the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has
: some responsibility for it.
: don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims: out there in the world.
都到2022了
还不肯面对事实，成天在那造谣和掩盖事实
很有意思么
你要么是1450之类，要是就是被1450给忽悠傻了
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: did I say anything about or compare anything with US or Canada ?
: why you turn to talk about US and Canada? clearly you 胡扯八道.
: I just asked a question, how you rule out this possibility:
: the virus originated in Wuhan AND started to spread from Wuhan ?
what you said does NOT address anything specific about the facts or the
question I asked. Or maybe you don't want to face it at all.
you probably don't realize you are just blurring around,
you clarified nothing but 胡搅蛮缠.
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 都到2022了
: 还不肯面对事实，成天在那造谣和掩盖事实
: 很有意思么
: 你要么是1450之类，要是就是被1450给忽悠傻了
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: did I say anything about or compare anything with US or Canada ?
: why you turn to talk about US and Canada? clearly you 胡扯八道.
: I just asked a question, how you rule out this possibility:
: the virus originated in Wuhan AND started to spread from Wuhan ?
我说得很清楚了
去年初你说来自武汉还算是合理猜测
如今只能说你是胡搅蛮缠，或者是身负特殊任务
到如今为止
没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来
来自美国的证据则是一大把
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: what you said does NOT address anything specific about the facts or the
: question I asked. Or maybe you don't want to face it at all.
: you probably don't realize you are just blurring around,
: you clarified nothing but 胡搅蛮缠.
"没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来" LOL, what a joke
The virus started to spread from Wuhan, and
the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan, period.
That is the fact the whole world saw.
No one requires you to prove otherwise.
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我说得很清楚了
: 去年初你说来自武汉还算是合理猜测
: 如今只能说你是胡搅蛮缠，或者是身负特殊任务
: 到如今为止
: 没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来
: 来自美国的证据则是一大把
你就是一个铁杆纳粹
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: "没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来" LOL, what a joke
: The virus started to spread from Wuhan, and
: the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan, period.
: That is the fact the whole world saw.
: No one requires you to prove otherwise.
for that, you really put too much significance in me, pls don't.
speaking of significant people, pls pay more attention to Xi and his fans,
trust me, they are far more significant!
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你就是一个铁杆纳粹
闫丽梦再曝猛料：中共故意释放病毒http://news.creaders.net/china/2020/09/16/2267871.html
尼玛还是那句话，故意释放病毒要投在武汉？ 就在病毒所的门口？ 就怕别人疑心起的不够快？
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 闫女士的说法应该是武汉所研究和改造病毒
: 但是病毒不小心泄漏了
激粪，激起了很多大粪
你已经暴露了
不用谦虚
也别想着泼脏水给别人
最后提醒你几点
1）武汉的病毒来自冷链传播，冷链的原点在美国，这是科研的结果
2）你可以不相信这个，但是你得有别的证据。至于说美国病毒来自武汉，这是一个
hypothesis，遗憾的是，到目前，没有任何能证明这个假说的可靠证据，一个都没有。
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: for that, you really put too much significance in me, pls don't.
: speaking of significant people, pls pay more attention to Xi and his fans,
: trust me, they are far more significant!
黑白颠倒
because now it is confirmed that this virus appeared in Italy at least two
months ahead of Wuhan.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: you did not face the question,
: how you rule out the possibility:
: virus originated in Wuhan AND virus started to spread from Wuhan ?
: the virus started to spread from Wuhan, this single fact means Wuhan has
: at least some responsibility for it.
: don't make it sound like Wuhan is pure victim, there are many REAL victims
: out there in the world.
very funny, I "exposed"? I exposed what? Are you able to be specific?
you worked a lot to prove virus originated from elsewhere in the world,
but,
you never really ruled out the possibility the virus originated in Wuhan,
because you never allowed any investigation in Wuhan lab,
all you did is to *claim* it's not originated from there.
unfortunately, all you did is hiding and claiming, even if you may be
innocent
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你已经暴露了
: 不用谦虚
: 也别想着泼脏水给别人
: 最后提醒你几点
: 1）武汉的病毒来自冷链传播，冷链的原点在美国，这是科研的结果
: 2）你可以不相信这个，但是你得有别的证据。至于说美国病毒来自武汉，这是一个
: hypothesis，遗憾的是，到目前，没有任何能证明这个假说的可靠证据，一个都没有。
look at what you said again,
"没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来" such a 无赖 denial
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你已经暴露了
: 不用谦虚
: 也别想着泼脏水给别人
: 最后提醒你几点
: 1）武汉的病毒来自冷链传播，冷链的原点在美国，这是科研的结果
: 2）你可以不相信这个，但是你得有别的证据。至于说美国病毒来自武汉，这是一个
: hypothesis，遗憾的是，到目前，没有任何能证明这个假说的可靠证据，一个都没有。
the virus started to spread from Wuhan,
this single fact means Wuhan has at least some responsibility for it.
Don't make it fucking sound like Wuhan is pure victim,
there are many REAL victims out there in the world.
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: because now it is confirmed that this virus appeared in Italy at least two
: months ahead of Wuhan.
I would say it was firstly noticed and diagnosed in Wuhan. US CDC confirmed that at least as early as in early December, this virus was already in multi-states in US, when did US confirmed the first case?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: the virus started to spread from Wuhan,
: this single fact means Wuhan has at least some responsibility for it.
: Don't make it fucking sound like Wuhan is pure victim,
: there are many REAL victims out there in the world.
but it didn't spread from US to become a damn pandemic,
do you mean they controlled better?
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: I would say it was firstly noticed and diagnosed in Wuhan. US CDC
confirmed
: that at least as early as in early December, this virus was already in
multi
: -states in US, when did US confirmed the first case?
it spreads in US, 800K people died. They controlled better? I am not
convinced.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: but it didn't spread from US to become a damn pandemic,
: do you mean they controlled better?
: confirmed
: multi
don't mix topic,
it's talking about the place where virus exploded and spread to become the
pandemic
it's about the starting place, not about different nations' reaction after
the start.
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: it spreads in US, 800K people died. They controlled better? I am not
: convinced.
It's the same. Every country had its first case, then it exploded. If you
cannot control it, don't blame others.
Plus, this virus was in Italy and US before it was noticed and diagnosed.
What happens in Wuhan cannot change the course in Italy and US.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: don't mix topic,
: it's talking about the place where virus exploded and spread to become the
: pandemic
: it's about the starting place, not about different nations' reaction after
: the start.
Don't start by asserting it's the same.
It's not up to you to say it's same or not same.
It's up to everyone who affected by the damn pandemic in the world.
Tell you a truth about the virus origination, NO one will remember US or
Italy.
again,
the virus started to spread from Wuhan,
this single fact means Wuhan has at least some responsibility for it.
Don't make it fucking sound like Wuhan is pure victim,
there are many REAL victims out there in the world.
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: It's the same. Every country had its first case, then it exploded. If you : cannot control it, don't blame others.
: Plus, this virus was in Italy and US before it was noticed and diagnosed. : What happens in Wuhan cannot change the course in Italy and US.
You are repeating nonsense. US has 50million confirmed cases and 800K people died, does it have responsibility?
No one will remember US or Italy? Scientists do.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: Don't start by asserting it's the same.
: It's not up to you to say it's same or not same.
: It's up to everyone who affected by the damn pandemic in the world.
: Tell you a truth about the virus origination, NO one will remember US or
: Italy.
: again,
: the virus started to spread from Wuhan,
: this single fact means Wuhan has at least some responsibility for it.
: Don't make it fucking sound like Wuhan is pure victim,
: there are many REAL victims out there in the world.
the virus exploded in Wuhan and spread to the world from Wuhan,
and after that US got many many infected and died,
the 1st question is: does Wuhan and China have responsibility?
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: You are repeating nonsense. US has 50million confirmed cases and 800K
people
: died, does it have responsibility?
: No one will remember US or Italy? Scientists do.
yes, some scientists will remember US and Italy,
while other scientists and most other normal people in the world will
remember Wuhan,
very objectively speaking, they will remember Wuhan!
I am not saying this solely for arguing with anyone.
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: You are repeating nonsense. US has 50million confirmed cases and 800K
people
: died, does it have responsibility?
: No one will remember US or Italy? Scientists do.
基因序列数据库上有，
意大利2019年9-10月就有武汉毒株的后代病毒了。
How dare you say "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"?
川普的大孙子是他的小儿子操出来的吗？
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: "没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来" LOL, what a joke
: The virus started to spread from Wuhan, and
: the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan, period.
: That is the fact the whole world saw.
: No one requires you to prove otherwise.
怎么不提电子烟吗、流感、还有那个德堡？
愚蠢比邪恶
有时更可恶。。。
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 意大利，美国，都比武汉早很多
: 其实台湾，香港，澳大利亚，也可能比武汉早
what responsibility you are seeking for China?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: the virus exploded in Wuhan and spread to the world from Wuhan,
: and after that US got many many infected and died,
: the 1st question is: does Wuhan and China have responsibility?
: people
How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"!
Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and
spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 基因序列数据库上有，
: 意大利2019年9-10月就有武汉毒株的后代病毒了。
: How dare you say "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"?
: 川普的大孙子是他的小儿子操出来的吗？
oh, you seem allowing people to ask that question, really?
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: what responsibility you are seeking for China?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: the virus exploded in Wuhan and spread to the world from Wuhan,
: and after that US got many many infected and died,
: the 1st question is: does Wuhan and China have responsibility?
: people
I suspect "other scientists", mostly I see are pseudo scientists.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: yes, some scientists will remember US and Italy,
: while other scientists and most other normal people in the world will
: remember Wuhan,
: very objectively speaking, they will remember Wuhan!
: I am not saying this solely for arguing with anyone.
: people
Just ignore him/her.
Five cents have no common sense and logical thinking.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"!
: Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and
: spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
Because it was firstly diagnosed in Wuhan. Yet it went un-noticed in Italy
and US for months.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"!
: Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and
: spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
Did I never allow you asking questions? Even stupid questions are OK.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: oh, you seem allowing people to ask that question, really?
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: How dare you fucking deny "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"!
: Every living person on this planet saw the virus exploded in Wuhan and
: spread to be pandemic. Your denial proves yourself.
我们做一个假设。
假设这病毒是从武汉传出来的，包含意大利的。
然后你很快就会发现不对。
如果是武汉传出来的，那么2019年9月，武汉就有12月份毒株的后代后代毒株。（因为
意大利已经有了。）
在2019年12月份和2020年1月份，武汉应该检测出几千万的后代毒株才是。事实上，当
时的武汉没有检测到那一点。检测到的基本都是公开的12月份毒株的同代毒株。
武汉所有的追溯性检测都没检测到之前有晚辈毒株存在。
所以，假设不能成立。
就像你不能假设川普的大孙子是他小儿子操出来的。因为他大孙子出生时，他小儿子还没出生呢。
小儿子只能是作为爷爷的川普又播了新种。
武汉的问题，肯定是有人吧初代毒株弄到武汉了，不管是有意投毒还是无意投毒。
what do you mean "went un-noticed in Italy and US"
if it didn't explode and didn't spread to cause people die,
then apparently it is Not that virus from Wuhan
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: Because it was firstly diagnosed in Wuhan. Yet it went un-noticed in Italy
: and US for months.
Means it was not diagnosed, and the symptoms and deaths were attributed to
flu. Remember even in April Trump still thought that is just a big flu? That is the mentality.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: what do you mean "went un-noticed in Italy and US"
: if it didn't explode and didn't spread to cause people die,
: then apparently it is Not that virus from Wuhan
he mentioned Trump and his son, hahaha, what a self-proved SB lol
【 在 Telomerase (半仙) 的大作中提到: 】
: Just ignore him/her.
: Five cents have no common sense and logical thinking.
依稀记得几个事件
1.首个测序工作的张永贞实验室关停。
2.初期测序公司被要求停测销毁病例样本。
3.RaTG13粪便元测序，细菌的序列很少，而且石教授样品都用光了。。。
4.关停武毒所病毒数据库，西雅图斯坦福HHMT教授后从网络云恢复了数据。。。
。。。。。。
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我们做一个假设。
: 假设这病毒是从武汉传出来的，包含意大利的。
: 然后你很快就会发现不对。
: 如果是武汉传出来的，那么2019年9月，武汉就有12月份毒株的后代后代毒株。
: 在12月份和2020年1月份，武汉应该检测出几千万的后代毒株才是。事实上，当时的武
: 汉没有检测到那一点。
: 武汉所有的追溯性检测都否认这一点。
: 所以，假设不能成立。
Regarding the database, I remember Shi claimed WIV's database was under
hacking by external forces, that is why they shutdown the connection to
outside.
Later, US news media reported that CIA was probing WIV's database in 2019
September.
So both accounts match.
【 在 Telomerase (半仙) 的大作中提到: 】
: 依稀记得几个事件
: 1.首个测序工作的张永贞实验室关停。
: 2.初期测序公司被要求停测销毁病例样本。
: 3.RaTG13粪便元测序，细菌的序列很少，而且石教授样品都用光了。。。
: 4.关停武毒所病毒数据库，西雅图斯坦福HHMT教授后从网络云恢复了数据。。。
: 。。。。。。
【 在 Telomerase (半仙) 的大作中提到: 】
: 依稀记得几个事件
: 1.首个测序工作的张永贞实验室关停。
: 2.初期测序公司被要求停测销毁病例样本。
: 3.RaTG13粪便元测序，细菌的序列很少，而且石教授样品都用光了。。。
: 4.关停武毒所病毒数据库，西雅图斯坦福HHMT教授后从网络云恢复了数据。。。
: 。。。。。。
都是有原因的，可能还不乏一些政府官员的骚操作。
但是，这些事实也改变不了武汉不是新冠最早爆发地的事实。
要是你的1234能作为证据，拜登政府、CIA能那么窝火发那么个报告吗？
我不能证明武汉有没有泄露。没法证实，也没法证否。
但是，如果病毒是实验室泄露的话，能证实美国的泄露肯定在武汉实验室之前。
不能排除有人从美国实验室偷盗了初代毒株。
【 在 pta (南海是公海) 的大作中提到: 】
: 本来就是。
华人搞起华人来最狠
1450你好
你们确实是一点人性都没有了
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: look at what you said again,
: "没有任何可靠证据说明是从武汉传播开来" such a 无赖 denial
oh, you were thinking I was the so called 1450!
that's why you said "exposed", I see. But, you are wrong.
50cents 你好.
You 50cents are all the same, call people 1450 whenever you have nothing to say.
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 1450你好
: 你们确实是一点人性都没有了
Apparently you are cornered.
【 在 fmj (废名举) 的大作中提到: 】
: oh, you were thinking I was the so called 1450!
: that's why you said "exposed", I see. But, you are wrong.
: I guess you are just another 50cents.
: You 50cents are all the same, call people 1450 whenever you have nothing
to
: say.
apparently you exposed yourself too, 50cents,
you are identified by your blindly calling people 1450
【 在 simadong (simadong) 的大作中提到: 】
: Apparently you are cornered.
什么原因，说来评评？！
溯源与泄露与否不谈，
谈谈隐瞒
再给你个timeline：
12月30，李医生
1月7，一尊亲自指挥亲自部署
1月23，卖药钟“人传人”
隐瞒的原因又是什么？“过好年”吗？
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 都是有原因的，可能还不乏一些政府官员的骚操作。
: 但是，这些事实也改变不了武汉不是新冠最早爆发地的事实。
: 要是你的1234能作为证据，拜登政府、CIA能那么窝火发那么个报告吗？
【 在 Telomerase (半仙) 的大作中提到: 】
: 什么原因，说来评评？！
: 溯源与泄露与否不谈，
: 谈谈隐瞒
: 再给你个timeline：
: 12月30，李医生
李医生确实是传谣了，他没审核就把SARS的消息转发到医药界之外了。
: 1月7，一尊亲自指挥亲自部署
这个一尊自己都说了，我今天特高兴。谁知道他高兴个啥，难道不是要过年了他特高兴吗？
: 1月23，卖药钟“人传人”
土工一直都在说有限的人传人。即便2003年的SARS，那也是“有限的人传人”。如果没有人传人，根本就不会有疫情。
: 隐瞒的原因又是什么？“过好年”吗？
直到封城前夕，武汉还在百家宴呢。难道不是为了“过好年”吗？
武汉政府当初是有问题，市委书记亲自去抢3M N95，只关心自己回族的清真牛肉供应。去他妈的。
但是不妨碍后来政府换人了之后，从善如流，控制住了疫情。
你说，怎么办呢？
2003年，“谣言”到了岚清，正开两会，压下了
蒋彦永未经审核，将谣言告知央美和外媒，
锦涛初登基，认真重视，主动道歉，世人尊重，08奥运万国来朝，法兰西援建P4。。。俱往矣，
换了一群草包。。。
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 李医生确实是传谣了，他没审核就把SARS的消息转发到医药界之外了。
: 这个一尊自己都说了，我今天特高兴。谁知道他高兴个啥，难道不是要过年了他特高兴
: 吗？
: 土工一直都在说有限的人传人。即便2003年的SARS，那也是“有限的人传人”。如果没
: 有人传人，根本就不会有疫情。
: 直到封城前夕，武汉还在百家宴呢。难道不是为了“过好年”吗？
: 武汉政府当初是有问题，市委书记亲自去抢3M N95，只关心自己回族的清真牛肉供应。
: 去他妈的。
: 但是不妨碍后来政府换人了之后，从善如流，控制住了疫情。
我不搞一刀切。该赞赏赞赏，该骂就骂。
草包控制住疫情也要赞赏。
聪明蛋犯了错误，也要骂。（例如西域之七五）
总不能说，为了拥护中国政府，我特么连骂人的权利都被剥夺了吧。
【 在 Telomerase (半仙) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你说，怎么办呢？
: 2003年，“谣言”到了岚清，正开两会，压下了
那是流言，不是谣言。后来被证实的就是流言，被证否的就是谣言。
: 蒋彦永未经审核，将谣言告知央美和外媒，
蒋彦永有说那是谣言吗？
: 锦涛初登基，认真重视，主动道歉，世人尊重，08奥运万国来朝，法兰西援建P4。。。
: 俱往矣，
: 换了一群草包。。。
先看清，再开口，免得成为恶人宣传的帮凶。。。
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我不搞一刀切。该赞赏赞赏，该骂就骂。
: 草包控制住疫情也要赞赏。
: 聪明蛋犯了错误，也要骂。（例如西域之七五）
: 总不能说，为了拥护中国政府，我特么连骂人的权利都被剥夺了吧。
: 那是流言，不是谣言。后来被证实的就是流言，被证否的就是谣言。
: 蒋彦永有说那是谣言吗？
: 后来武汉疫情爆发时，还在观看联欢晚会的湖北省省委书记是不是他？
: 他2003年是不错，但是2020年，他就不该骂么？
对不起，那时湖北省省委书记是蒋超良。
蒋超良是2003年抗击非典的北京市市委王73的人。
搞混了。
【 在 Telomerase (半仙) 的大作中提到: 】
: 先看清，再开口，免得成为恶人宣传的帮凶。。。
我向来只对事，不对人。
因为每个人都会犯错误。但是，只要你在正确的时间段，正确的地点，不犯错误，那就行了。
没关系，那帮人每一个好鸟。。。
坏鸟也不是没干过好事，
国内也有很多好人，较真懂专业踏实苦干的人，
不然GDP咋么达到第二呢
所以就事论事好。
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 对不起，那时湖北省省委书记是蒋超良。
: 蒋超良是2003年抗击非典的北京市市委王73的人。
: 搞混了。
是非对错基于事实，
不是基于立场，
多一些不同观点信息，
再下判断，
才比较贴近真相。
比如说三胖疫情防控做的也很“突出”。
封控清零，是有效，却也制造其他比如人道灾难经济等问题。供参考。
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我向来只对事，不对人。
: 因为每个人都会犯错误。但是，只要你在正确的时间段，正确的地点，不犯错误，那就
: 行了。
意大利为什么在武汉之后才爆发？
【 在 Killerwal (Killer Whale) 的大作中提到: 】
: 基因序列数据库上有，
: 意大利2019年9-10月就有武汉毒株的后代病毒了。
: How dare you say "the virus became a real pandemic from Wuhan"?
: 川普的大孙子是他的小儿子操出来的吗？
意大利的人口密度哪能跟武汉比
【 在 lmitbbsl (承让承让) 的大作中提到: 】
: 意大利为什么在武汉之后才爆发？
意大利没有大城市吗，欧洲没有大城市，北上广深人口密度比武汉如何？为什么一路上其它城市都没事，就传到武汉爆了？
【 在 chace (Time is money, friend!) 的大作中提到: 】
: 意大利的人口密度哪能跟武汉比
你倒是数数意大利有哪个城市人口上了千万？ 别说千万， 上三百万的有吗？
【 在 lmitbbsl (承让承让) 的大作中提到: 】
: 意大利没有大城市吗，欧洲没有大城市，北上广深人口密度比武汉如何？为什么一路上
: 其它城市都没事，就传到武汉爆了？