More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019 By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago |
136 China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out 'Diamond rush' grips South African village after discovery of unidentified…
NEW YORK (AP) — A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognized by health officials.
The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain skeptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.
“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn't become widespread until late February," said Thornburg, principal investigator of the CDC's respiratory virus immunology team.
The pandemic coronavirus emerged in Wuhan, China in late 2019. Officially, the first U.S. infection to be identified was a traveler — a Washington state man who returned from Wuhan on Jan. 15 and sought help at a clinic on Jan. 19.
CDC officials initially said the spark that started the U.S. outbreak arrived during a three-week window from mid-January to early February. But research since then — including some done by the CDC — has suggested a small number of infections occurred earlier.
A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples from American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some Americans as early as the middle of December 2019.
China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out 'Diamond rush' grips South African village after discovery of unidentified…
NEW YORK (AP) — A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognized by health officials.
“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn't become widespread until late February," said Thornburg, principal investigator of the CDC's respiratory virus immunology team.
The pandemic coronavirus emerged in Wuhan, China in late 2019. Officially, the first U.S. infection to be identified was a traveler — a Washington state man who returned from Wuhan on Jan. 15 and sought help at a clinic on Jan. 19.
CDC officials initially said the spark that started the U.S. outbreak arrived during a three-week window from mid-January to early February. But research since then — including some done by the CDC — has suggested a small number of infections occurred earlier.
A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples from American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some Americans as early as the middle of December 2019.
Gallery: 40 Things Your Doctor Wishes You Knew About Vaccines (The Healthy)
a person taking a selfie: Efforts to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 are happening at warp speed, says Kathyrn M. Edwards, MD, a spokesperson for the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA). There are currently more than 100 vaccine candidates in some stage of development, eight of them already in clinical trials. There are still a lot of questions about potential vaccines, such as when they will be released (if we’re supremely lucky maybe later in 2020, or even in a year or more) or even if antibodies that are normally what make vaccines effective will be protective against this new virus and for how long, says Richard Kuhn, PhD, The Trent and Judith Anderson Distinguished Professor in Science at Purdue University. While we’re waiting for those answers, don’t forget that there are dozens of effective vaccines for other diseases already out there. And for those, we do have a lot of answers. The latest study, published Tuesday online by the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, is by a team including researchers at the National Institutes of Health. They analyzed blood samples from more than 24,000 people across the country, collected in the first three months of 2020 as part of a long-term study called “All Of Us” that seeks to track 1 million Americans over years to study health.
Like the CDC study, these researchers looked for antibodies in the blood that are taken as evidence of coronavirus infection, and can be detected as early as two weeks after a person is first infected.
The researchers say nine study participants — five from Illinois, and one each from Massachusetts, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin — were infected earlier than any COVID-19 case was ever reported in those states.
One of the Illinois cases was infected as early as Christmas Eve, said Keri Althoff, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the study's lead author.
It can be difficult to distinguish antibodies that neutralize SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, from antibodies that fight other coronaviruses, including some that cause the common cold. Researchers in both the NIH and CDC studies used multiple types of tests to minimize false positive results, but some experts say it still is possible their 2019 positives were infections by other coronaviruses and not the pandemic strain.
“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into the United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not mean that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're thinking about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on disease dynamics.
The NIH researchers have not followed up with study participants yet to see if any had traveled out of the U.S. prior to their infection. But they found it noteworthy that the nine did not live in or near New York City or Seattle, where the first wave of U.S. cases were concentrated.
“The question is how did, and where did, the virus take seed,” Althoff said. The new study indicates “it probably seeded in multiple places in our country,” she added.
___
The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.
A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples from American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some Americans as early as the middle of December 2019.
The latest study, published Tuesday online by the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, is by a team including researchers at the National Institutes of Health. They analyzed blood samples from more than 24,000 people across the country, collected in the first three months of 2020 as part of a long-term study called “All Of Us” that seeks to track 1 million Americans over years to study health. 【 在 Wagyu (瓦古) 的大作中提到: 】 : 旧闻，为什么现在又炒作？ : CDC早就做了检测，结果一直压到川普败选以后才发表 : https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
这种研究没有意思，应该找2019年的血样。CDC使用的血样最早是2019年12月13日，应 该继续往前追 collected in the first three months of 2020
中国持有军运会几千名参与者的血样，显然也持有武汉市2019年的血样。就等美帝什么时候掀桌子。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】 : 这不是旧闻，你说的是那个7000份检测，这个是最新的24000份血检 : A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples from : American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some : Americans as early as the middle of December 2019. : The latest study, published Tuesday online by the journal Clinical : Infectious Diseases, is by a team including researchers at the National : Institutes of Health. They analyzed blood samples from more than 24,000 : people across the country, collected in the first three months of 2020 as : part of a long-term study called “All Of Us” that seeks to track 1 million : Americans over years to study health.
The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain skeptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.
"“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into the United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not mean that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're thinking about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on disease dynamics.
按照哈夫砖家的说法就没有必要查病毒起源了，反正你也不能确定那个抗体是不是来自新冠。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】 : 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检 : 测出来的。 : MSN首页新闻。 : https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in- us- : by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp : More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019 : By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago : | : 136 : China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out : ...................
【 在 optone (就等老熊来了) 的大作中提到: 】 : "“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into the : United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not mean : that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're thinking : about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on disease : dynamics. : 按照哈夫砖家的说法就没有必要查病毒起源了，反正你也不能确定那个抗体是不是来自 : 新冠。 : us-
【 在 knifer (刀客) 的大作中提到: 】 : 啥？那啥要求世卫查那谁？美国现在更应该接受调查了吧 : : "“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into : the : : United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not : mean : : that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're : thinking : : about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on : disease : : dynamics. : ...................
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】 : 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检 : 测出来的。 : MSN首页新闻。 : https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in- us- : by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp : More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019 : By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago : | : 136 : China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out : ...................
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】 : 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检 : 测出来的。 : MSN首页新闻。 : https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in- us- : by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp : More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019 : By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago : | : 136 : China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' thr
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】 : 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检 : 测出来的。 : MSN首页新闻。 : https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in- us- : by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp : More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019 : By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago : | : 136 : China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out : ...................
科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检
测出来的。
MSN首页新闻。
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in-us-by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp
More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago
|
136
China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out
'Diamond rush' grips South African village after discovery of unidentified…
NEW YORK (AP) — A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new
coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases
were first recognized by health officials.
The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain skeptical, but
federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which
small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before
the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.
“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn't become widespread until late February," said Thornburg, principal investigator of the CDC's respiratory
virus immunology team.
The pandemic coronavirus emerged in Wuhan, China in late 2019. Officially,
the first U.S. infection to be identified was a traveler — a Washington
state man who returned from Wuhan on Jan. 15 and sought help at a clinic on Jan. 19.
CDC officials initially said the spark that started the U.S. outbreak
arrived during a three-week window from mid-January to early February. But
research since then — including some done by the CDC — has suggested a
small number of infections occurred earlier.
A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples from American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some
Americans as early as the middle of December 2019.
China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out
'Diamond rush' grips South African village after discovery of unidentified…
NEW YORK (AP) — A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new
coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases
were first recognized by health officials.
FILE - This 2020 electron microscope image made available by the U.S.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows the spherical coronavirus
particles from what was believed to be the first U.S. case of COVID-19. A
new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the coronavirus popped up in
the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognized by
health officials. (C.S. Goldsmith, A. Tamin/CDC via AP)© Provided by
Associated Press FILE - This 2020 electron microscope image made available
by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows the spherical
coronavirus particles from what was believed to be the first U.S. case of
COVID-19. A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the coronavirus
popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first
recognized by health officials. (C.S. Goldsmith, A. Tamin/CDC via AP)
The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain skeptical, but
federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which
small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before
the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.
“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“There was probably very rare and sporadic cases here earlier than we were aware of. But it was not widespread and didn't become widespread until late February," said Thornburg, principal investigator of the CDC's respiratory
virus immunology team.
The pandemic coronavirus emerged in Wuhan, China in late 2019. Officially,
the first U.S. infection to be identified was a traveler — a Washington
state man who returned from Wuhan on Jan. 15 and sought help at a clinic on Jan. 19.
CDC officials initially said the spark that started the U.S. outbreak
arrived during a three-week window from mid-January to early February. But
research since then — including some done by the CDC — has suggested a
small number of infections occurred earlier.
A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples from American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some
Americans as early as the middle of December 2019.
Gallery: 40 Things Your Doctor Wishes You Knew About Vaccines (The Healthy)
a person taking a selfie: Efforts to develop a vaccine for Covid-19 are
happening at warp speed, says Kathyrn M. Edwards, MD, a spokesperson for the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA). There are currently more
than 100 vaccine candidates in some stage of development, eight of them
already in clinical trials. There are still a lot of questions about
potential vaccines, such as when they will be released (if we’re supremely lucky maybe later in 2020, or even in a year or more) or even if antibodies that are normally what make vaccines effective will be protective against
this new virus and for how long, says Richard Kuhn, PhD, The Trent and
Judith Anderson Distinguished Professor in Science at Purdue University.
While we’re waiting for those answers, don’t forget that there are dozens of effective vaccines for other diseases already out there. And for those,
we do have a lot of answers.
The latest study, published Tuesday online by the journal Clinical
Infectious Diseases, is by a team including researchers at the National
Institutes of Health. They analyzed blood samples from more than 24,000
people across the country, collected in the first three months of 2020 as
part of a long-term study called “All Of Us” that seeks to track 1 million Americans over years to study health.
Like the CDC study, these researchers looked for antibodies in the blood
that are taken as evidence of coronavirus infection, and can be detected as early as two weeks after a person is first infected.
The researchers say nine study participants — five from Illinois, and one
each from Massachusetts, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin — were
infected earlier than any COVID-19 case was ever reported in those states.
One of the Illinois cases was infected as early as Christmas Eve, said Keri Althoff, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of
Public Health and the study's lead author.
It can be difficult to distinguish antibodies that neutralize SARS-CoV-2,
the virus that causes COVID-19, from antibodies that fight other
coronaviruses, including some that cause the common cold. Researchers in
both the NIH and CDC studies used multiple types of tests to minimize false positive results, but some experts say it still is possible their 2019
positives were infections by other coronaviruses and not the pandemic strain.
“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into the
United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not mean
that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're thinking about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on disease
dynamics.
The NIH researchers have not followed up with study participants yet to see if any had traveled out of the U.S. prior to their infection. But they found it noteworthy that the nine did not live in or near New York City or
Seattle, where the first wave of U.S. cases were concentrated.
“The question is how did, and where did, the virus take seed,” Althoff
said. The new study indicates “it probably seeded in multiple places in our country,” she added.
___
The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.
这下瞌睡乔歇逼了，不能BB了
我靠，真的动手了？
这是不是说明前政府故意不查？
旧闻，为什么现在又炒作？
CDC早就做了检测，结果一直压到川普败选以后才发表
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
这不是旧闻，你说的是那个7000份检测，这个是最新的24000份血检
A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples from American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some
Americans as early as the middle of December 2019.
The latest study, published Tuesday online by the journal Clinical
Infectious Diseases, is by a team including researchers at the National
Institutes of Health. They analyzed blood samples from more than 24,000
people across the country, collected in the first three months of 2020 as
part of a long-term study called “All Of Us” that seeks to track 1 million Americans over years to study health.
【 在 Wagyu (瓦古) 的大作中提到: 】
: 旧闻，为什么现在又炒作？
: CDC早就做了检测，结果一直压到川普败选以后才发表
: https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
查估计是查了
cdc不发
fakenews不报而已
【 在 kz80 (慢枪手) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我靠，真的动手了？
: 这是不是说明前政府故意不查？
这种研究没有意思，应该找2019年的血样。CDC使用的血样最早是2019年12月13日，应
该继续往前追
collected in the first three months of 2020
中国持有军运会几千名参与者的血样，显然也持有武汉市2019年的血样。就等美帝什么时候掀桌子。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这不是旧闻，你说的是那个7000份检测，这个是最新的24000份血检
: A CDC-led study published in December 2020 that analyzed 7,000 samples
from
: American Red Cross blood donations suggested the virus infected some
: Americans as early as the middle of December 2019.
: The latest study, published Tuesday online by the journal Clinical
: Infectious Diseases, is by a team including researchers at the National
: Institutes of Health. They analyzed blood samples from more than 24,000
: people across the country, collected in the first three months of 2020 as : part of a long-term study called “All Of Us” that seeks to track 1
million
: Americans over years to study health.
CNN报道的，是不是fake news？
【 在 pinfish (小刺鱼) 的大作中提到: 】
: 查估计是查了
: cdc不发
: fakenews不报而已
造谣美国不测不报的五毛哭晕在厕所
The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain skeptical, but
federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which
small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before
the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.
就看睡乔想干什么了，如果想放我党一马，就查到11月的。如果要硬磕，最多就是12月了
麻痹的，回溯检测了2019年3月到9月的吗？特别是电子烟和德里克堡关闭那段时间？
要是查2019和2018的血样或者尸检美帝还会大吃一斤, 不过，不查不研究不报道就是没有。
12月多个美国地方都有，那必然是已经传播了一段时间了，放出这段新闻就是和解信号。
【 在 ne5234 (Nessun Dorma) 的大作中提到: 】
: 就看睡乔想干什么了，如果想放我党一马，就查到11月的。如果要硬磕，最多就是12月
: 了
土鳖也是一样，不查不报道不研究就是没有。土鳖拒绝向世卫提供武汉早期血液样本，就是做贼心虚。
【 在 scraper (求白妞包养) 的大作中提到: 】
: 要是查2019和2018的血样或者尸检美帝还会大吃一斤, 不过，不查不研究不报道就是没
: 有。
"“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into the
United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not mean
that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're thinking about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on disease
dynamics.
按照哈夫砖家的说法就没有必要查病毒起源了，反正你也不能确定那个抗体是不是来自新冠。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检
: 测出来的。
: MSN首页新闻。
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in-
us-
: by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp
: More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
: By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago
: |
: 136
: China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out
: ...................
24000个血样里查出9例而已，很可能是假阳性或者其他原因导致的抗体阳性。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 12月多个美国地方都有，那必然是已经传播了一段时间了，放出这段新闻就是和解信号。
可以把2019年全年都测一遍，看看抗体出现的高峰是否符合各种关于新冠的理论。
比如，如果全年平均分布，或者年初有个高峰，那么就可能是其它原因引起的抗体。
【 在 optone (就等老熊来了) 的大作中提到: 】
: "“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into the
: United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not mean
: that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're
thinking
: about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on disease : dynamics.
: 按照哈夫砖家的说法就没有必要查病毒起源了，反正你也不能确定那个抗体是不是来自
: 新冠。
: us-
川普肯定是知道内幕的, 难怪武汉爆的时候, 习大大打电话给川普
之前确实不测不报啊，一测试吓到了，连红脖子州都莫名有了，李佳佳继续扎针。
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 造谣美国不测不报的五毛哭晕在厕所
说到要害了
【 在 knifer (刀客) 的大作中提到: 】
: 麻痹的，回溯检测了2019年3月到9月的吗？特别是电子烟和德里克堡关闭那段时间？
之前不测不报的证据？武汉至今还是不敢检测早期血样啊。
24000里测出9例而已，比例很低，专家也说了，不排除是假阳性或者其他原因导致的，并不一定是感染了新冠。
【 在 sundevil515 (洗睡) 的大作中提到: 】
: 之前确实不测不报啊，一测试吓到了，连红脖子州都莫名有了，李佳佳继续扎针。
啥？那啥要求世卫查那谁？美国现在更应该接受调查了吧
【 在 optone(就等老熊来了) 的大作中提到: 】
: "“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into
the
: United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not
mean
: that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're
thinking
: about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on
disease
: dynamics.
: 按照哈夫砖家的说法就没有必要查病毒起源了，反正你也不能确定那个抗体是不是来自
: 新冠。
: us-
美国意大利都在积极自查，也不在意把时间线前推。只有中国做贼心虚，不敢做溯源调查，也不敢让世卫检测武汉早期血样。中国后期的境外输入一查一个准，却对武汉起源始终讳莫如深，究竟在隐瞒什么？
【 在 knifer (刀客) 的大作中提到: 】
: 啥？那啥要求世卫查那谁？美国现在更应该接受调查了吧
:
: "“While it is entirely plausible that the virus was introduced into
: the
:
: United States much earlier than is usually appreciated, it does not : mean
:
: that this is necessarily strong enough evidence to change how we're : thinking
:
: about this," said William Hanage, a Harvard University expert on
: disease
:
: dynamics.
: ...................
你麻痹的要是美帝和意大利积极自查的话美帝或意大利就是第一个爆发新冠的了，傻逼。现在已经把新冠按在共匪头上了然后装模作样自查一下，只要把溯源控制在共匪之后当然不介意了。共匪要不积极自查会让你有数据在这唧唧歪歪？ 是不是要让你去查了
才算？你美爹和意大利爹和家属是不是也该让共匪查一查？否则隐瞒什么？ 傻逼。你
麻痹的真恶心。
【 在 ridgway(ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美国意大利都在积极自查，也不在意把时间线前推。只有中国做贼心虚，不敢做溯源调
: 查，也不敢让世卫检测武汉早期血样。中国后期的境外输入一查一个准，却对武汉起源
: 始终讳莫如深，究竟在隐瞒什么？
骂的好
【 在 scraper (求白妞包养) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你麻痹的要是美帝和意大利积极自查的话美帝或意大利就是第一个爆发新冠的了，傻逼
: 。现在已经把新冠按在共匪头上了然后装模作样自查一下，只要把溯源控制在共匪之后
: 当然不介意了。共匪要不积极自查会让你有数据在这唧唧歪歪？ 是不是要让你去查了
: 才算？你美爹和意大利爹和家属是不是也该让共匪查一查？否则隐瞒什么？ 傻逼。你
: 麻痹的真恶心。
【 在 ridgway(ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美国意大利都在积极自查，也不在意把时间线前推。只有中国做贼心虚，不敢做溯源调
: 查，也不敢让世卫检测武汉早期血样。中国后期的境外输入一查一个准，却对武汉起源
: 始终讳莫如深，究竟在隐瞒什么？
当然是故意不查，2020年1月华盛顿州的一个传染科医生，查了以前的血样，发现问题
，被当场叫停。
【 在 kz80 (慢枪手) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我靠，真的动手了？
: 这是不是说明前政府故意不查？
李奇萎，在粪坑里大口吞咽着粪便。
【 在 knifer (刀客) 的大作中提到: 】
: 麻痹的，回溯检测了2019年3月到9月的吗？特别是电子烟和德里克堡关闭那段时间？
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 24000个血样里查出9例而已，很可能是假阳性或者其他原因导致的抗体阳性。
: 号。
“at least”九例
至少九例
无论你怎么说，4000人按武汉的标准也是极其严重的疫情
【 在 wewill2009 (daluobe) 的大作中提到: 】
: "at least"是至少的意思
: lol
: 相当于在武汉是差不多是4000人接触过病毒
: 按中国标准，绝对算是极其严重的疫情
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 之前不测不报的证据？武汉至今还是不敢检测早期血样啊。
: 24000里测出9例而已，比例很低，专家也说了，不排除是假阳性或者其他原因导致的，
: 并不一定是感染了新冠。
加州在去年3月份还在“target testing”，不测轻症
全美就更甚
你忘了？
去年你还在用加加的账号发了无数大家不该带口罩的贴吧？实际上你是唯恐疫情传播不够快吧？
不要跟狸鸡萎（aka: 柴0- 绝经大妈）辩论，浪费时间。
应该说，不要跟这些1450台巴独运轮浪费时间
【 在 wewill2009 (daluobe) 的大作中提到: 】
: 加州在去年3月份还在“target testing”，不测轻症
: 全美就更甚
: 你忘了？
: 去年你还在用加加的账号发了无数大家不该带口罩的贴吧？实际上你是唯恐疫情传播不
: 够快吧？
现在（美，中， 意）都查到12月， 谁往前查谁倒霉。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检
: 测出来的。
: MSN首页新闻。
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in-
us-
: by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp
: More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
: By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago
: |
: 136
: China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out
: ...................
这种东西都无法解释为啥武汉第一个爆发，实际上如果不是中国收买就是检测手段错误，没有特异性。
还不算实锤。
老将都装聋作哑了，哈哈啊
为啥不早不晚就挑一个12/13这一天呢。再早一点查不是更有意思吗？这显然是故意设
计好的，有心放话给某些人，接下来的要不要继续放料就看事态如何发展了。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检
: 测出来的。
: MSN首页新闻。
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in-
us-
: by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp
: More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
: By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago
: |
: 136
: China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' thr
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
CDC showed 5 covid deaths in the week of January 4, 2020
well, they just changed to 3 deaths in the week of January 11, 2020.
白等也是可以以此侧底摧毁床铺这沙雕集团，只要白等彻查了，床铺就完全凉了。现在是给床铺一个信号，有点逼数，不要再出来蹦哒了，好好退休不然就彻查更早血液样本。这样和中国和解就更有诚意，最后一步棋。
【 在 kli1 (mia) 的大作中提到: 】
: 现在（美，中， 意）都查到12月， 谁往前查谁倒霉。
: us-
9/24000
more_evidence_covid_was/
I feels like a solid 25% of Americans swear they had COVID sometime between September 2019 and January 2020.
武汉全城就有50万人有抗体，武汉首例肯定远早于官方承认的12月初。
是不是心里有底，中国肯定不是源头？再之前呢？网上说中国不敢查，也不给WHO血样
【 在 Wagyu(瓦古) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这种研究没有意思，应该找2019年的血样。CDC使用的血样最早是2019年12月13
日，应
: 该继续往前追
: collected in the first three months of 2020
: 中国持有军运会几千名参与者的血样，显然也持有武汉市2019年的血样。就等美帝什么
: 时候掀桌子。
: from
: million
美国敢给WHO血样不？包括2019年12月之前的？
早就告诉你独轮运了，如果是中国源头，不可能那么早武汉传开不给周边省市传染而传到其他国家。你们不是智商太低就是太坏
【 在 qqi6 (who) 的大作中提到: 】
: 是不是心里有底，中国肯定不是源头？再之前呢？网上说中国不敢查，也不给WHO血样
: : 这种研究没有意思，应该找2019年的血样。CDC使用的血样最早是2019年12月13
: 日，应
: : 该继续往前追
: : collected in the first three months of 2020
: : 中国持有军运会几千名参与者的血样，显然也持有武汉市2019年的血样。就等美
: 帝什么
: : 时候掀桌子。
: : from
: : million
: ...................
其他国家也只是小规模传染没爆，武汉周边也是一样。武汉为啥不让WHO测早期血样？
【在 arronn2(dianxia)的大作中提到：】
：
：美国敢给WHO血样不？包括2019年12月之前的？
这不就印证了我的解释嘛。https://www.mitbbs.com/article0/Military/60738623_0.html
那是你认为的，中国可是让WHO专家查了，美国呢？到底谁心虚？另外台湾为啥耗着不
打疫苗只等自己造的疫苗？ 病毒是不是他们造出来的？因为他们知道其他人的疫苗肯
定不好使？
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美国意大利都在积极自查，也不在意把时间线前推。只有中国做贼心虚，不敢做溯源调
: 查，也不敢让世卫检测武汉早期血样。中国后期的境外输入一查一个准，却对武汉起源
: 始终讳莫如深，究竟在隐瞒什么？
那是你认为的，中国可是让WHO专家查了，美国呢？到底谁心虚？另外台湾为啥耗着不
打疫苗只等自己造的疫苗？ 病毒是不是台湾造出来的？因为湾湾知道其他人的疫苗肯
定不好使？
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美国意大利都在积极自查，也不在意把时间线前推。只有中国做贼心虚，不敢做溯源调
: 查，也不敢让世卫检测武汉早期血样。中国后期的境外输入一查一个准，却对武汉起源
: 始终讳莫如深，究竟在隐瞒什么？
五毛和粉红是不会去看原文的。
这篇文章只证明了一件事情，所谓的电子烟，流感误诊等等，都不是事实。
文章从所有50个州收集了24000个样本，最终确认的抗体阳性样本是9个。 如果真的电
子烟，或者流感被误诊而实际是新冠， 可以预计的是阳性率会远远高于9/24000. 武汉过了一年以后测的抗体阳性率约6%。
请记住，这是测的抗体，如果新冠患者自愈或者被误诊为流感，抗体在血液会成为阳性， 且维持很长时间（半年以上），而2020年3月以前，如此低的阳性率，足以说明新冠在此之前，根本在美国没有什么患者。 除非这批样本收集有偏见， 即便再往前回溯更早的血样，也不可能大幅改变这个阳性率。
军运会有个 鸡脖的血样 ~~
【 在 Wagyu (瓦古) 的大作中提到: 】
: 中国持有军运会几千名参与者的血样，显然也持有武汉市2019年的血样。就等美帝什么
: 时候掀桌子。
: from
: million
+1
【 在 steedprance (steed) 的大作中提到: 】
: 五毛和粉红是不会去看原文的。
: 这篇文章只证明了一件事情，所谓的电子烟，流感误诊等等，都不是事实。
: 文章从所有50个州收集了24000个样本，最终确认的抗体阳性样本是9个。 如果真的电
: 子烟，或者流感被误诊而实际是新冠， 可以预计的是阳性率会远远高于9/24000. 武汉
: 过了一年以后测的抗体阳性率约6%。
: 请记住，这是测的抗体，如果新冠患者自愈或者被误诊为流感，抗体在血液会成为阳性
: ， 且维持很长时间（半年以上），而2020年3月以前，如此低的阳性率，足以说明新冠
: 在此之前，根本在美国没有什么患者。 除非这批样本收集有偏见， 即便再往前回溯更
: 早的血样，也不可能大幅改变这个阳性率。
中国人瞎扯，我就没看到这里英文媒体有任何这方面的消息。
说明这根本不是什么值得报道的发现。
任何说武汉不是源头的都无法解释为啥武汉第一个爆发，因此都是瞎扯。
【 在 lubbock12 (非老非小将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 科学家说检测结果非常可靠，一共检测了24000份美国人血样。而且在美国多个地点检
: 测出来的。
: MSN首页新闻。
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-evidence-suggests-covid-19-was-in-
us-
: by-christmas-2019/ar-AAL4fVa?ocid=msedgntp
: More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
: By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 1 hr ago
: |
: 136
: China tells NATO to stop 'hyping up' threat after alliance singles it out
: ...................
普测明明是40万，另外10万是你从台湾拉过来的吗？
还有，如果不封城，任其传播，从第1例到40万，需要56天。
【 在 ridgway (ridgway) 的大作中提到: 】
: 武汉全城就有50万人有抗体，武汉首例肯定远早于官方承认的12月初。
这24000个样本都是参与一个被称为 “All Of Us” 健康计划的人群，文章未详细介绍参加这个计划人群的筛选条件，例如是否排除了吸电子烟的人群。根据演化理论，病毒的起源地和爆发地很可能不是一个地方，病毒起源地应该是野生动物较多，人口稀少且对病毒具有抵抗力的区域，而病毒爆发地应该是人口密集，对病毒无免疫力的地方，例如武汉。阳性率低并不意味着此地就不是病毒发源地。
【 在 steedprance (steed) 的大作中提到: 】
: 五毛和粉红是不会去看原文的。
: 这篇文章只证明了一件事情，所谓的电子烟，流感误诊等等，都不是事实。
: 文章从所有50个州收集了24000个样本，最终确认的抗体阳性样本是9个。 如果真的电
: 子烟，或者流感被误诊而实际是新冠， 可以预计的是阳性率会远远高于9/24000. 武汉
: 过了一年以后测的抗体阳性率约6%。
: 请记住，这是测的抗体，如果新冠患者自愈或者被误诊为流感，抗体在血液会成为阳性
: ， 且维持很长时间（半年以上），而2020年3月以前，如此低的阳性率，足以说明新冠
: 在此之前，根本在美国没有什么患者。 除非这批样本收集有偏见， 即便再往前回溯更
: 早的血样，也不可能大幅改变这个阳性率。
"对病毒无免疫力的地方“
美国这篇文章不正说明美国在2020年3月以前，99.9%人口没有免疫力（抗体）吗？
【 在 twed (灌水技术人员) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这24000个样本都是参与一个被称为 “All Of Us” 健康计划的人群，文章未详细介绍
: 参加这个计划人群的筛选条件，例如是否排除了吸电子烟的人群。根据演化理论，病毒
: 的起源地和爆发地很可能不是一个地方，病毒起源地应该是野生动物较多，人口稀少且
: 对病毒具有抵抗力的区域，而病毒爆发地应该是人口密集，对病毒无免疫力的地方，例
: 如武汉。阳性率低并不意味着此地就不是病毒发源地。
没错，所以我认为美国中国都不是起源地，病毒溯源还是应回归科学，不要掺杂政治。应重点关注防控措施松散，但病毒感染却很低的区域。
【 在 steedprance (steed) 的大作中提到: 】
: "对病毒无免疫力的地方“
: 美国这篇文章不正说明美国在2020年3月以前，99.9%人口没有免疫力（抗体）吗？
美国如果早于武汉就有新冠，从第一例到40万，需要多少天？
【在 BBCCNN(步步错纯牛奶)的大作中提到：】
：普测明明是40万，另外10万是你从台湾拉过来的吗？
：
WHO指责中国不让检测武汉早期血样。中国究竟在害怕什么？
【在 feelbored(ok)的大作中提到：】
：那是你认为的，中国可是让WHO专家查了，美国呢？到底谁心虚？另外台湾为啥耗着不
：打疫苗只等自己造的疫苗？ 病毒是不是他们造出来的？因为他们知道其他人的疫苗肯