I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1% exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and conclude the Chinese way is better.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can : tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the : product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are : exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1% : exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the : American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and : conclude the Chinese way is better.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can : tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the : product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are : exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1% : exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the : American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and : conclude the Chinese way is better.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can : tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the : product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are : exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1% : exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the : American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and : conclude the Chinese way is better.
题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in STEM . You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone doing a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody say that they should not do their "题海战术"? In almost every sport, you need hours and hours of practice if you want to be good. Why not in school work?
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : 题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in STEM : . You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone doing : a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael : Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn : riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players : practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody say that they should not : do their "题海战术"? In almost every sport, you need hours and hours of : practice if you want to be good. Why not in school work?
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : 题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in STEM : . You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone doing : a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael : Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn : riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players : practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody say that they should not : do their "题海战术"? In almost every sport, you need hours and hours of : practice if you want to be good. Why not in school work?
I can also stay in the US but supplement my kids with Chinese education. My Chinese education background gave me a huge advantage over most of my classmates here at high school and college.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : 题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in STEM : . You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone doing : a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael : Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn : riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players : practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody s
and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points. What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game, what good does practicing shooting again and again do? How come it is ok to do that at sport but not at school work?
【在 FortyNiner(Niner)的大作中提到：】 ：and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points. ：What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game, what
so what is the practical meaning of getting more points in a basketball game ? Millions of dollars? Don't forget that not everyone ends up in the NBA. Majority of the players at grade schools are not making money. For those students, there is no practical meaning for them to practice either. Or you can say that the only meaning is to be better than those with lower statistics so that you can get a scholarship at college, then hopefully to NBA. But that is just exactly the same as students practicing at school work. If you argue that playing basketball is good for their health, but that does not explain why you need to practice at shooting the ball thousands of times. You can just try to throw in the ball anyway you like and still attain the purpose of physical exercising.
【 在 edn (买啥啥猪) 的大作中提到: 】 : 因为school work没有任何实际意义。唯一的意义是比过其他的比你成绩差的学生，以 : 此获得更多资源。 : ：and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points. : ：What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game, what
这不正是问题所在吗？你打篮球如果是为了point，那才需要才要practice and practice。如果，打篮球的目的是为了健身，你不需要practice and practice，就算 你投篮一个都投不进去，在场上跑满两小时，也达到锻炼目的了。你要是健身加打打比赛玩儿，那么适当练习就好了，也不需要天天practice and practice。
你学习的目的不是为了point，所以不用practice and practice，只有应试教育为了 point，才需要practice and practice。你要是泛泛的学学了解一下，自然不怎么用 practice，比如，你学文科的上物理化学课，或者学理科的上历史地理课，打打酱油就好了，你要想学的好一点就多practice一点。
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points. : What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game, what : good does practicing shooting again and again do? How come it is ok to do : that at sport but not at school work?
My point is, people glorify Kobe Bryant by saying he went to practice 4 o' clock in the morning. He was doing exactly 题海战术, taking advantage of whatever to score more on a game. But at the same time, they disparage 题海战术 at school work, blaming them for taking advantage of the exam system. I love basketball and want to play in NBA, but I am not that talented, and it is OK for me to practice to score more to get better stats at grade school and college to help me to get into NBA. I love STEM and want to go to a top college, but I am not that smart, but it is a shame for me to practice?
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】 : 这不正是问题所在吗？你打篮球如果是为了point，那才需要才要practice and : practice。如果，打篮球的目的是为了健身，你不需要practice and practice，就算 : 你投篮一个都投不进去，在场上跑满两小时，也达到锻炼目的了。你要是健身加打打比 : 赛玩儿，那么适当练习就好了，也不需要天天practice and practice。 : 你学习的目的不是为了point，所以不用practice and practice，只有应试教育为了: point，才需要practice and practice。你要是泛泛的学学了解一下，自然不怎么用: practice，比如，你学文科的上物理化学课，或者学理科的上历史地理课，打打酱油就 : 好了，你要想学的好一点就多practice一点。 : 题海战术的意思不能自己定义，做一定数量的习题巩固熟悉知识不是题海战术。题海战 : 术的意思是，尽量多做题，期望在考试中碰到做过的题或类似的题，以提高正确率。。 : ...................
我上面说的很清楚了啊，打篮球的目的不同，practice的方式自然也不同，NBA就是竞 技比赛，说白了就是考试，自然要题海战术。但一般的生活学习不是比赛或考试，自然也就不用题海战术。如果你学习的目的就是为了考高分，当然需要题海战术。就像你不打NBA，你会天天像科比那样去打篮球吗？你天天像科比那样practice就能像科比一样 打得好吗？你学习得目的最终是为了在日后得学习生活中游刃有余，而不是比某某多考多少分。有些东西不是靠practice就能解决得，反而有时候会给你一个幻觉，好像 practice，你就牛逼了。。。其实不是这样，你靠题海战术上了TOP college可能毕业 后学习工作中不如那个上差college的。 【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : My point is, people glorify Kobe Bryant by saying he went to practice 4 o': clock in the morning. He was doing exactly 题海战术, taking advantage of : whatever to score more on a game. But at the same time, they disparage 题海 : 战术 at school work, blaming them for taking advantage of the exam system. : I love basketball and want to play in NBA, but I am not that talented, and : it is OK for me to practice to score more to get better stats at grade : school and college to help me to get into NBA. I love STEM and want to go : to a top college, but I am not that smart, but it is a shame for me to : practice?
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : My point is, people glorify Kobe Bryant by saying he went to practice 4 o': clock in the morning. He was doing exactly 题海战术, taking advantage of : whatever to score more on a game. But at the same time, they disparage 题海 : 战术 at school work, blaming them for taking advantage of the exam system. : I love basketball and want to play in NBA, but I am not that talented, and : it is OK for me to practice to score more to get better stats at grade : school and college to help me to get into NBA. I love STEM and want to go : to a top college, but I am not that smart, but it is a shame for me to : practice?
For many people, higher scores and grades means better chance to a better college and then better chance to get better jobs for more money, just the same as grade school basketball players want to get better scores/stats for better chance for better scholarships to colleges with better basketball programs and then better chance to NBA with a bigger contract. They are similar. The same person going to a better college definitely have a better chance to get better jobs to get better life, so why not practice more?
I am an old Cantonese, and I don't bother improve my Mandarin since I don't use it that much, except when watering here at MITBBS. So far my kids don't need the Chinese way of teaching, but if they need, I won't hesitate.
当然，我从来没说不应该做一定的练习题来巩固知识，但目的要搞清楚，你刷题是为了学习，不是为了考高分，进好学校。。。因为，在美国，不用题海战术一样上好学校。。。录取不是按分数排队的。只要你过线了，大家都一样。我现在推小孩的主要目的是让小孩养成动脑筋的习惯，而不是说啥事情都像学校里的功课那样easy（学校里的考试，永远是A啊，刷不刷题有关系吗？）。。。课堂外有的是challege的东西，你以后可 能遇到更难的事情，你怎么去面对怎么去处理。而不是仅仅满足于现状。。。 【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : For many people, higher scores and grades means better chance to a better : college and then better chance to get better jobs for more money, just the : same as grade school basketball players want to get better scores/stats for : better chance for better scholarships to colleges with better basketball : programs and then better chance to NBA with a bigger contract. They are : similar. The same person going to a better college definitely have a better : chance to get better jobs to get better life, so why not practice more?
可以算least common multiple，会指数素数，都是学校教的
美国的基础教育就是因材施教，厉害的三年级可以学初中的，差的还在学加法。同一个班的学生会分好几个水平不一样的group学不同的内容
美国的的教育大部分精力放在创造力，表达能力，和个性培养，从来不会题海战术
嘲笑美国基础教育的都是没娃的廊坊五毛
I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can
tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the
product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are
exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1%
exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the
American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and
conclude the Chinese way is better.
拿这个弱智问题来炫耀 说明你自己都是傻逼弱智
【 在 rosmile (Yo-Yo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 可以算least common multiple，会指数素数，都是学校教的
: 美国的基础教育就是因材施教，厉害的三年级可以学初中的，差的还在学加法。同一个
: 班的学生会分好几个水平不一样的group学不同的内容
: 美国的的教育大部分精力放在创造力，表达能力，和个性培养，从来不会题海战术
: 嘲笑美国基础教育的都是没娃的廊坊五毛
我回过头来感觉中国的题海战没用，是浪费时间。不如美国教学来得实在。
这个真的没啥特别的。。。好一点的私校里基本上人人都可以。
要说知道怎么做，理解了概念，那一年级我就教我女儿会竖式除法怎么做，什么意思了。
但是实际上没有足够练习，你根本没法做，除法里的凑倍数要写一页纸，算不知道多久。
最后还是好好的先练半年乘法先。
这个说的没错，但作为中式家长，总觉得心虚。。。
小学三年级开始就选班级代表了，负责搜集学生意见到高年级那提proposal。。。上次我小孩班上选代表，两次tei，结果让老师的老公抓阄决定。。。笑死我了。
课前social的时候，老师问大家各种常见问题，从小就在培养回答问题的能力。。。上次小孩上课，老师问，你遇到的最大挑战是什么，无论是physical的还是mential都行
，我心想，尼玛一个小屁孩，能有啥好说的，然后发现好多小孩还都说的头头是道。
【 在 rosmile (Yo-Yo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 可以算least common multiple，会指数素数，都是学校教的
: 美国的基础教育就是因材施教，厉害的三年级可以学初中的，差的还在学加法。同一个
: 班的学生会分好几个水平不一样的group学不同的内容
: 美国的的教育大部分精力放在创造力，表达能力，和个性培养，从来不会题海战术
: 嘲笑美国基础教育的都是没娃的廊坊五毛
尼玛，最大公约数最小公倍数有啥好吹的。
中国小朋友三年级算的是“今有物不知数三三数...”，米国小朋友不读数学系，可能
一辈子不知道这是啥玩意。
美国小学教育是挺落后的，但是到了初中高中可以选修preAP,AP课程后进度还是挺快的，哥当年AP Calc也学到了微分方程等。美国k12主要还是看学生自己，慢的越来越慢，快的越来越快还可以PSEO. 和中国比较学生之间水品相差要大很多。
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can : tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the : product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are
: exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1%
: exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the
: American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and
: conclude the Chinese way is better.
中国教出来的只是复读机
俺们中国剩余定理好像四年级才讲
三年级基本在玩儿
【 在 hardpack (hardpack) 的大作中提到: 】
: 尼玛，最大公约数最小公倍数有啥好吹的。
: 中国小朋友三年级算的是“今有物不知数三三数...”，米国小朋友不读数学系，可能
: 一辈子不知道这是啥玩意。
中国小学就开始题海战术了
美国有很大比例的学生成绩很好，比我以前现象的多
而且中式教育不重视非课本的东西，培养的目的是成绩好，说白了为了升学考试，而不是因材施教，个性得到发挥
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can : tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the : product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are
: exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1%
: exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the
: American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and
: conclude the Chinese way is better.
没啥心虚，择其优者学习之，择其差者改正之。
美国孩子（不算印度的虎妈虎爸家庭），其实实际能力挺差的，没法实现他们fancy的
各种想法。
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个说的没错，但作为中式家长，总觉得心虚。。。
: 小学三年级开始就选班级代表了，负责搜集学生意见到高年级那提proposal。。。上次
: 我小孩班上选代表，两次tei，结果让老师的老公抓阄决定。。。笑死我了。
: 课前social的时候，老师问大家各种常见问题，从小就在培养回答问题的能力。。。上
: 次小孩上课，老师问，你遇到的最大挑战是什么，无论是physical的还是mential都行
: ，我心想，尼玛一个小屁孩，能有啥好说的，然后发现好多小孩还都说的头头是道。
对，你要是在初中就把Algebra 1/2,Geometry, Trigonometry, Pre Calculus 都干了A，还可以说有点数学能力。我知道的几个能进Stanford啥的男娃都是这样。然后高中好focus在AP/Honor
小学很难那开差距。初高中，你除了上面的AP/Honor，要艺术一门，外语一到两门，加上社会实践。这个才考验孩子，光父母推基本上不可能，一定要孩子配合。
父母推只能搞到下限，上限看孩子自己。
【 在 coolfire08 (Hottest Ice) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美国小学教育是挺落后的，但是到了初中高中可以选修preAP,AP课程后进度还是挺快的
: ，哥当年AP Calc也学到了微分方程等。美国k12主要还是看学生自己，慢的越来越慢，
: 快的越来越快还可以PSEO. 和中国比较学生之间水品相差要大很多。
四年级太早了。找基本解，然后基本解的叠加是同余方程组的解，这要理解全貌，要求的前置知识太多。除非小孩特先进，线性方程组的求解已经熟悉了。否则四年级学这个就是鹦鹉学舌。
【 在 dakedo (大蝌蚪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 俺们中国剩余定理好像四年级才讲
: 三年级基本在玩儿
唉，我也梦想我家孩子能这样，可是人家兴趣不在这儿，写小说倒是行，学校有网站上载学生写的小说，还有不少学生看和点赞。。。小孩不跟我讲，我还不知道，真是啥奇葩事儿都有。
【 在 coltzhao (coltzhao) 的大作中提到: 】
: 对，你要是在初中就把Algebra 1/2,Geometry, Trigonometry, Pre Calculus 都干
了A
: ，还可以说有点数学能力。我知道的几个能进Stanford啥的男娃都是这样。然后高中好
: focus在AP/Honor
: 小学很难那开差距。初高中，你除了上面的AP/Honor，要艺术一门，外语一到两门，加
: 上社会实践。这个才考验孩子，光父母推基本上不可能，一定要孩子配合。
: 父母推只能搞到下限，上限看孩子自己。
美国小孩学的就是夸夸其谈，基础一点不扎实。除了个别特聪明的外，其他全是废物
就是交mod之后顺便讲了讲
没按高等代数那一套来教
【 在 rgg (rgg) 的大作中提到: 】
: 四年级太早了。找基本解，然后基本解的叠加是同余方程组的解，这要理解全貌，要求
: 的前置知识太多。除非小孩特先进，线性方程组的求解已经熟悉了。否则四年级学这个
: 就是鹦鹉学舌。
这题小孩肯定是枚举法，一会儿就找到答案了。
【 在 dakedo (大蝌蚪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 就是交mod之后顺便讲了讲
: 没按高等代数那一套来教
so what，长大还不是被白皮骑在头上拉屎。
【 在 rosmile (Yo-Yo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 可以算least common multiple，会指数素数，都是学校教的
: 美国的基础教育就是因材施教，厉害的三年级可以学初中的，差的还在学加法。同一个
: 班的学生会分好几个水平不一样的group学不同的内容
: 美国的的教育大部分精力放在创造力，表达能力，和个性培养，从来不会题海战术
: 嘲笑美国基础教育的都是没娃的廊坊五毛
你要真想push你孩子，就上私立或者买个学区房，美国也有磁石学校需要考试的。
一般公立学校老师又没有升学压力，班上学生水平又参差不齐，（我娃就算在GT
班我看也没学啥高深的东西 ），肯定是一照顾绝大多数为主 lol
就说尼玛小学额外这点东西，初中看几个月就补完了，用的着这么push吗
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: I have two kids, one 2nd grader and one 5th grader here in the US. I can : tell you that American k12 education sucks, at least in STEM. 60% of the : product of k12 education are trash, 10% are good, probably 1% are
: exceptional. The Chinese way, maybe 10% are trash, 60% good, and 0.1%
: exceptional. You can look at America's 1% exceptional and conclude the
: American way is better. Other people can look at China's 60% good and
: conclude the Chinese way is better.
Completely agree with you on this. The sad thing is, our retirement depends on these kids.
【 在 Echowood090 (echo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美国小孩学的就是夸夸其谈，基础一点不扎实。除了个别特聪明的外，其他全是废物
学渣你这个也去显摆啊，LOL
【 在 rosmile (Yo-Yo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 可以算least common multiple，会指数素数，都是学校教的
: 美国的基础教育就是因材施教，厉害的三年级可以学初中的，差的还在学加法。同一个
: 班的学生会分好几个水平不一样的group学不同的内容
: 美国的的教育大部分精力放在创造力，表达能力，和个性培养，从来不会题海战术
: 嘲笑美国基础教育的都是没娃的廊坊五毛
美国绝大多数公立小学数学是太简单了。其实也是搞题海战术，只是把时间拉得长而已（很多东西是年复一年地重复训练）。因此我们这边很多小孩下午都去上中文学校。我小孩上的是硅谷这边最好的公立小学之一（根据加州公立考试判断）。这边在最近10年才更重视STEM。
数学本来就是要多做题。
美国教育的强处是在表达叙述、阅读和写作方面。
初中是过渡期。高中特别忙。其实应该把部分内容往前移。
在数学方面，中国一般的学生在美国会是好学生。
美国公立学校的师资质量整体来说明显不如国内。即使最好的公立高中也很一般。看看那些老师的教育背景就知道了。教师有自己的课本版本，有时还有很详细的教案资料（我收集过一些，现在还有些在车库里）。
题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in STEM
. You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone doing a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael
Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn
riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players
practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody say that they should not
do their "题海战术"? In almost every sport, you need hours and hours of
practice if you want to be good. Why not in school work?
很多人移民是为了下一代教育，你其实可以移民北京去接受中式教育
萝卜青菜，各有所爱
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: 题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in
STEM
: . You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone
doing
: a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael
: Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn
: riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players
: practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody say that they should not
: do their "题海战术"? In almost every sport, you need hours and hours of
: practice if you want to be good. Why not in school work?
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: 题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in
STEM
: . You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone
doing
: a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael
: Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn
: riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players
: practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody say that they should not
: do their "题海战术"? In almost every sport, you need hours and hours of
: practice if you want to be good. Why not in school work?
你说得太对了。
美国最好的数理化课本都是有很多立题和超级多的习题。不少习题也是大同小异。往往会给出难度分类。
美国稍好的理工专业招大比例的外国学生是有深层原因的。
I can also stay in the US but supplement my kids with Chinese education. My Chinese education background gave me a huge advantage over most of my
classmates here at high school and college.
【 在 rosmile (Yo-Yo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 很多人移民是为了下一代教育，你其实可以移民北京去接受中式教育
: 萝卜青菜，各有所爱
: STEM
: doing
不要自己定义题海战术。适当做练习题那不叫题海战术！题海战术专指应试教育！目的是为了考高分而不是学习知识。
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: 题海战术 is not evil. There need to be some 题海 practice, at least in
STEM
: . You cannot learn math, chemistry or physics by just seeing someone
doing
: a problem, just the same way you cannot learn swimming by watching Michael
: Phelps swim, learn basketball by watching Micheal Jordan playing, learn
: riding a bike by watching Armstrong riding. In basketball, the players
: practice hours and hours of shooting. Why nobody s
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初等教育本来也就是为了应试
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不要自己定义题海战术。适当做练习题那不叫题海战术！题海战术专指应试教育！目的
: 是为了考高分而不是学习知识。
: STEM
: doing
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
But they even do not give 适当练习题.
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不要自己定义题海战术。适当做练习题那不叫题海战术！题海战术专指应试教育！目的
: 是为了考高分而不是学习知识。
: STEM
: doing
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
就您这英文水平，不能全用中文吗？
【在 skybluewei(weilan)的大作中提到：】
：这个说的没错，但作为中式家长，总觉得心虚。。。
：小学三年级开始就选班级代表了，负责搜集学生意见到高年级那提proposal。。。上次我小孩班上选代表，两次tei，结果让老师的老公抓阄决定。。。笑死我了。
and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points.
What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game, what
good does practicing shooting again and again do? How come it is ok to do
that at sport but not at school work?
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不要自己定义题海战术。适当做练习题那不叫题海战术！题海战术专指应试教育！目的
: 是为了考高分而不是学习知识。
: STEM
: doing
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
sorry，尽量用中文了。。。
【 在 edn (买啥啥猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 就您这英文水平，不能全用中文吗？
: ：这个说的没错，但作为中式家长，总觉得心虚。。。
: ：小学三年级开始就选班级代表了，负责搜集学生意见到高年级那提proposal。。。上
: 次我小孩班上选代表，两次tei，结果让老师的老公抓阄决定。。。笑死我了。
因为school work没有任何实际意义。唯一的意义是比过其他的比你成绩差的学生，以
此获得更多资源。
【在 FortyNiner(Niner)的大作中提到：】
：and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points.
：What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game, what
so what is the practical meaning of getting more points in a basketball game
? Millions of dollars? Don't forget that not everyone ends up in the NBA. Majority of the players at grade schools are not making money. For those
students, there is no practical meaning for them to practice either. Or you can say that the only meaning is to be better than those with lower
statistics so that you can get a scholarship at college, then hopefully to
NBA. But that is just exactly the same as students practicing at school
work. If you argue that playing basketball is good for their health, but
that does not explain why you need to practice at shooting the ball
thousands of times. You can just try to throw in the ball anyway you like
and still attain the purpose of physical exercising.
【 在 edn (买啥啥猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 因为school work没有任何实际意义。唯一的意义是比过其他的比你成绩差的学生，以
: 此获得更多资源。
: ：and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points.
: ：What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game,
what
这不正是问题所在吗？你打篮球如果是为了point，那才需要才要practice and
practice。如果，打篮球的目的是为了健身，你不需要practice and practice，就算
你投篮一个都投不进去，在场上跑满两小时，也达到锻炼目的了。你要是健身加打打比赛玩儿，那么适当练习就好了，也不需要天天practice and practice。
你学习的目的不是为了point，所以不用practice and practice，只有应试教育为了
point，才需要practice and practice。你要是泛泛的学学了解一下，自然不怎么用
practice，比如，你学文科的上物理化学课，或者学理科的上历史地理课，打打酱油就好了，你要想学的好一点就多practice一点。
题海战术的意思不能自己定义，做一定数量的习题巩固熟悉知识不是题海战术。题海战术的意思是，尽量多做题，期望在考试中碰到做过的题或类似的题，以提高正确率。。。高考，比赛，竞赛都是这个类型。但学知识，学以致用，不需要题海战术。。。如果去考试的话，不搞题海战术的分数可能比题海战术的人差很多，但实际学习、生活、工作中，前者可能大大优于后者。
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: and in basketball, they practice and practice, just to get more points.
: What is wrong with that? Other than getting more points in the game, what
: good does practicing shooting again and again do? How come it is ok to do
: that at sport but not at school work?
My point is, people glorify Kobe Bryant by saying he went to practice 4 o'
clock in the morning. He was doing exactly 题海战术, taking advantage of
whatever to score more on a game. But at the same time, they disparage 题海战术 at school work, blaming them for taking advantage of the exam system. I love basketball and want to play in NBA, but I am not that talented, and
it is OK for me to practice to score more to get better stats at grade
school and college to help me to get into NBA. I love STEM and want to go
to a top college, but I am not that smart, but it is a shame for me to
practice?
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这不正是问题所在吗？你打篮球如果是为了point，那才需要才要practice and
: practice。如果，打篮球的目的是为了健身，你不需要practice and practice，就算
: 你投篮一个都投不进去，在场上跑满两小时，也达到锻炼目的了。你要是健身加打打比
: 赛玩儿，那么适当练习就好了，也不需要天天practice and practice。
: 你学习的目的不是为了point，所以不用practice and practice，只有应试教育为了: point，才需要practice and practice。你要是泛泛的学学了解一下，自然不怎么用: practice，比如，你学文科的上物理化学课，或者学理科的上历史地理课，打打酱油就
: 好了，你要想学的好一点就多practice一点。
: 题海战术的意思不能自己定义，做一定数量的习题巩固熟悉知识不是题海战术。题海战
: 术的意思是，尽量多做题，期望在考试中碰到做过的题或类似的题，以提高正确率。。
: ...................
【 在 rosmile (Yo-Yo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 可以算least common multiple，会指数素数，都是学校教的
: 美国的基础教育就是因材施教，厉害的三年级可以学初中的，差的还在学加法。同一个
: 班的学生会分好几个水平不一样的group学不同的内容
: 美国的的教育大部分精力放在创造力，表达能力，和个性培养，从来不会题海战术
: 嘲笑美国基础教育的都是没娃的廊坊五毛
有的五毛是真蠢；有的是装傻，为了混口饭吃。
我上面说的很清楚了啊，打篮球的目的不同，practice的方式自然也不同，NBA就是竞
技比赛，说白了就是考试，自然要题海战术。但一般的生活学习不是比赛或考试，自然也就不用题海战术。如果你学习的目的就是为了考高分，当然需要题海战术。就像你不打NBA，你会天天像科比那样去打篮球吗？你天天像科比那样practice就能像科比一样
打得好吗？你学习得目的最终是为了在日后得学习生活中游刃有余，而不是比某某多考多少分。有些东西不是靠practice就能解决得，反而有时候会给你一个幻觉，好像
practice，你就牛逼了。。。其实不是这样，你靠题海战术上了TOP college可能毕业
后学习工作中不如那个上差college的。
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: My point is, people glorify Kobe Bryant by saying he went to practice 4 o': clock in the morning. He was doing exactly 题海战术, taking advantage of : whatever to score more on a game. But at the same time, they disparage 题海
: 战术 at school work, blaming them for taking advantage of the exam system.
: I love basketball and want to play in NBA, but I am not that talented, and
: it is OK for me to practice to score more to get better stats at grade
: school and college to help me to get into NBA. I love STEM and want to go
: to a top college, but I am not that smart, but it is a shame for me to
: practice?
你为什么不用中文？
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: My point is, people glorify Kobe Bryant by saying he went to practice 4 o': clock in the morning. He was doing exactly 题海战术, taking advantage of : whatever to score more on a game. But at the same time, they disparage 题海
: 战术 at school work, blaming them for taking advantage of the exam system.
: I love basketball and want to play in NBA, but I am not that talented, and
: it is OK for me to practice to score more to get better stats at grade
: school and college to help me to get into NBA. I love STEM and want to go
: to a top college, but I am not that smart, but it is a shame for me to
: practice?
Simply because I type in Chinese ten times slower.
【 在 dinassor (牛磨王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你为什么不用中文？
:
如果不是gifted program，不可能教过这些了
For many people, higher scores and grades means better chance to a better
college and then better chance to get better jobs for more money, just the
same as grade school basketball players want to get better scores/stats for better chance for better scholarships to colleges with better basketball
programs and then better chance to NBA with a bigger contract. They are
similar. The same person going to a better college definitely have a better chance to get better jobs to get better life, so why not practice more?
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我上面说的很清楚了啊，打篮球的目的不同，practice的方式自然也不同，NBA就是竞
: 技比赛，说白了就是考试，自然要题海战术。但一般的生活学习不是比赛或考试，自然
: 也就不用题海战术。如果你学习的目的就是为了考高分，当然需要题海战术。就像你不
: 打NBA，你会天天像科比那样去打篮球吗？你天天像科比那样practice就能像科比一样
: 打得好吗？你学习得目的最终是为了在日后得学习生活中游刃有余，而不是比某某多考
: 多少分。有些东西不是靠practice就能解决得，反而有时候会给你一个幻觉，好像
: practice，你就牛逼了。。。其实不是这样，你靠题海战术上了TOP college可能毕业
: 后学习工作中不如那个上差college的。
:
你把汉字敲顺了你娃成绩自然就提高了 LOL
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: Simply because I type in Chinese ten times slower.
:
: 【 在 dinassor (牛磨王) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 你为什么不用中文？
: :
I am an old Cantonese, and I don't bother improve my Mandarin since I don't use it that much, except when watering here at MITBBS. So far my kids don't need the Chinese way of teaching, but if they need, I won't hesitate.
【 在 dinassor (牛磨王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你把汉字敲顺了你娃成绩自然就提高了 LOL
我家大娃9年纪就学了calculus bc（跳过a学的）还拿了5分，屁用没有，今年学
physics c，积分又忘了很多。练习不够只知道个大概就是不扎实。我自己这些都是30
年前学的，现在照样不用看随便拿起来秒杀闺女。
【 在 coltzhao (coltzhao) 的大作中提到: 】
: 对，你要是在初中就把Algebra 1/2,Geometry, Trigonometry, Pre Calculus 都干
了A
: ，还可以说有点数学能力。我知道的几个能进Stanford啥的男娃都是这样。然后高中好
: focus在AP/Honor
: 小学很难那开差距。初高中，你除了上面的AP/Honor，要艺术一门，外语一到两门，加
: 上社会实践。这个才考验孩子，光父母推基本上不可能，一定要孩子配合。
: 父母推只能搞到下限，上限看孩子自己。
学校让她选，还是自学去考试？
【 在 jzm (江靠) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我家大娃9年纪就学了calculus bc（跳过a学的）还拿了5分，屁用没有，今年学
: physics c，积分又忘了很多。练习不够只知道个大概就是不扎实。我自己这些都是
30
: 年前学的，现在照样不用看随便拿起来秒杀闺女。
: 了A
中文里有‘道’‘术’之分。
练习做题， 投篮，等等是‘术’；
毅力，自制，自律，追求优秀是'道';
有人坐着不动，就能悟道； 有人通过持之以恒的锻炼，做题悟道；
都是很自然的事情。
练什么，怎么练都是自己的选择。
从小是GT班学上去的，在这之前先修课都修完了。
【 在 rgg (rgg) 的大作中提到: 】
: 学校让她选，还是自学去考试？
: 30
我们这里GT一般最早三年级开始，然后初中的时候可以选数学2 year advance，到初中那些algebra啊，三角啊，几何都学完了。高中有兴趣可以学AP课。她9年级学了
calculus bc，10年级学AP stats。
一般情况下美国和中国不一样，不是说你99分就比我98分高，也不是说像NBA一样，你
一个三分球比我两分球高。。。绝大多数情况下就是混个A了事。。。你天天题海战术
最后还不是一样上个州立大学了事？你天天刷题花几十万上个HYPS，出来还不是个打工仔？美国这个社会（中国也慢慢一样了）最终看的还是综合能力，不是你刷题的能力。。。头一年两年你通过刷题可以拿到个机会，但最终还是处在和你能力相当的位置上。随着时间的拉长，其他方面的因素会越来越大，那些因素是没法靠刷题解决的，刷题不仅没有帮助，反而有反作用。。。一个人的精力和时间是有限的，你刷题时间多了，其他时间自然就少了，日积月累，差距就出来了。
当然，我从来没说不应该做一定的练习题来巩固知识，但目的要搞清楚，你刷题是为了学习，不是为了考高分，进好学校。。。因为，在美国，不用题海战术一样上好学校。。。录取不是按分数排队的。只要你过线了，大家都一样。我现在推小孩的主要目的是让小孩养成动脑筋的习惯，而不是说啥事情都像学校里的功课那样easy（学校里的考试，永远是A啊，刷不刷题有关系吗？）。。。课堂外有的是challege的东西，你以后可
能遇到更难的事情，你怎么去面对怎么去处理。而不是仅仅满足于现状。。。
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: For many people, higher scores and grades means better chance to a better : college and then better chance to get better jobs for more money, just the
: same as grade school basketball players want to get better scores/stats
for
: better chance for better scholarships to colleges with better basketball
: programs and then better chance to NBA with a bigger contract. They are
: similar. The same person going to a better college definitely have a
better
: chance to get better jobs to get better life, so why not practice more?
全靠家长推。厉害的三年级学初中的都是老中老印孩子
【 在 rosmile (Yo-Yo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 可以算least common multiple，会指数素数，都是学校教的
: 美国的基础教育就是因材施教，厉害的三年级可以学初中的，差的还在学加法。同一个
: 班的学生会分好几个水平不一样的group学不同的内容
: 美国的的教育大部分精力放在创造力，表达能力，和个性培养，从来不会题海战术
: 嘲笑美国基础教育的都是没娃的廊坊五毛
属实。我认识的有娃老中就没有不在家给娃补数学的
【 在 fishbelly (fishbelly) 的大作中提到: 】
: 全靠家长推。厉害的三年级学初中的都是老中老印孩子
这种超前学习其实没啥意思，有的小孩模仿能力强，接受能力强，你只要一直教就可以一直学，反正大部分知识性的都是照猫画虎，什么因式分解啦，合并同类项啦，等等，不都是所谓的中学的东西么？我小孩笨一点，四年级才把这些都学完了，so？有屁用啊。。。给个动脑筋的鸡兔同笼就卡壳了。这样就会促使家长去反思，你到底想要达到什么目的？
【 在 fishbelly (fishbelly) 的大作中提到: 】
: 全靠家长推。厉害的三年级学初中的都是老中老印孩子
我儿子数学很好，从不要求他去拿个什么奖，学数学是训练思维。公立学校里教的太烂，教材里的东西都没讲不清楚。喜欢找个专题跟他聊一会，帮他融会贯通。学校里纯当social了
【 在 skybluewei (weilan) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这种超前学习其实没啥意思，有的小孩模仿能力强，接受能力强，你只要一直教就可以
: 一直学，反正大部分知识性的都是照猫画虎，什么因式分解啦，合并同类项啦，等等，
: 不都是所谓的中学的东西么？我小孩笨一点，四年级才把这些都学完了，so？有屁用啊
: 。。。给个动脑筋的鸡兔同笼就卡壳了。这样就会促使家长去反思，你到底想要达到什
: 么目的？
对，关键是培养孩子的兴趣，动动脑筋。。。
【 在 fishbelly (fishbelly) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我儿子数学很好，从不要求他去拿个什么奖，学数学是训练思维。公立学校里教的太烂
: ，教材里的东西都没讲不清楚。喜欢找个专题跟他聊一会，帮他融会贯通。学校里纯当
: social了