As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited: Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an online mobile application store in the U.S.; Any provision of services through the WeChat mobile application for the purpose of transferring funds or processing payments within the U.S. As of September 20, 2020, for WeChat and as of November 12, 2020, for TikTok, the following transactions are prohibited: Any provision of internet hosting services enabling the functioning or optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.; Any provision of content delivery network services enabling the functioning or optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.; Any provision directly contracted or arranged internet transit or peering services enabling the function or optimization of the mobile application within the U.S.; Any utilization of the mobile application’s constituent code, functions, or services in the functioning of software or services developed and/or accessible within the U.S. Any other prohibitive transaction relating to WeChat or TikTok may be identified at a future date. Should the U.S. Government determine that WeChat’s or TikTok’s illicit behavior is being replicated by another app somehow outside the scope of these executive orders, the President has the authority to consider whether additional orders may be appropriate to address such activities.
【 在 hsh (没有老将小将，只有反共将和舔共将) 的大作中提到: 】 : 标 题: 按照商业部的解释，微信还能用吗？从技术层面上怎样实现呢？ : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 21 19:04:02 2020, 美东) : : 我的理解是，如果实现了商业部的要求，微信事实上就不能用了，不只是微信钱包 : : 从app store里拿掉比较简单，ISP还需要做什么？ : : As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited: : Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok : mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an : online mobile application store in the U.S.; : Any provision of services through the WeChat mobile application for the : purpose of transferring funds or processing payments within the U.S. : As of September 20, 2020, for WeChat and as of November 12, 2020, for TikTok : , the following transactions are prohibited: : Any provision of internet hosting services enabling the functioning or : optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.; : Any provision of content delivery network services enabling the functioning : or optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.; : Any provision directly contracted or arranged internet transit or peering : services enabling the function or optimization of the mobile application : within the U.S.; : Any utilization of the mobile application’s constituent code, functions, or : services in the functioning of software or services developed and/or : accessible within the U.S. : Any other prohibitive transaction relating to WeChat or TikTok may be : identified at a future date. Should the U.S. Government determine that : WeChat’s or TikTok’s illicit behavior is being replicated by another app : somehow outside the scope of these executive orders, the President has the : authority to consider whether additional orders may be appropriate to : address such activities. : : : --
The US Commerce Department on Friday issued an order that prohibits new app downloads or updates to hyper-popular video app TikTok, which is owned by Chinese firm ByteDance, and WeChat, a chat and payments app owned by owned by the Chinese mega-conglomerate Tencent. The apps' connection to China has sparked government fears over national security and data collection by Chinese officials. But the order goes one step further, and it has far worse implications for WeChat: Beginning on Sunday, the app will not only be unavailable to download and unable to process payments, but it will also be rendered unusable for US users — the Commerce Department order prohibits any internet hosting service from "enabling the functioning or optimization of the mobile application in the US."
【 在 hsh 的大作中提到: 】 : :我的理解是，如果实现了商业部的要求，微信事实上就不能用了，不只是微信钱包 : :从app store里拿掉比较简单，ISP还需要做什么？ : :As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited: :Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok :mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an :online mobile application store in the U.S.; :Any provision of services through the WeChat mobile application for the :purpose of transferring funds or processing payments within the U.S. :As of September 20, 2020, for WeChat and as of November 12, 2020, for TikTok, the following transactions are prohibited:
internet hosting services content delivery network service internet transit or peering services 都禁了,所以我觉得是complete shutdown
商业部长说：for all practical purposes it will be shut down in the U.S.
【 在 insect9 (insect9) 的大作中提到: 】 : 不需要做啥，最多就是CDN不能再提供服务。那也不影响通讯业务。 : : : :我的理解是，如果实现了商业部的要求，微信事实上就不能用了，不只是微信钱包 : : : :从app store里拿掉比较简单，ISP还需要做什么？ : : : :As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited: : :Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok : :mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an : :online mobile application store in the U.S.; : ...................
【 在 hsh 的大作中提到: 】 : :你显然没有读商业部的细则 : :internet hosting services :content delivery network service :internet transit or peering services :都禁了,所以我觉得是complete shutdown : :商业部长说：for all practical purposes it will be shut down in the U.S. : :【 在 insect9 (insect9) 的大作中提到: 】 :: 不需要做啥，最多就是CDN不能再提供服务。那也不影响通讯业务。
我的理解是，如果实现了商业部的要求，微信事实上就不能用了，不只是微信钱包
从app store里拿掉比较简单，ISP还需要做什么？
As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited:
Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok
mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an
online mobile application store in the U.S.;
Any provision of services through the WeChat mobile application for the
purpose of transferring funds or processing payments within the U.S.
As of September 20, 2020, for WeChat and as of November 12, 2020, for TikTok, the following transactions are prohibited:
Any provision of internet hosting services enabling the functioning or
optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.;
Any provision of content delivery network services enabling the functioning or optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.;
Any provision directly contracted or arranged internet transit or peering
services enabling the function or optimization of the mobile application
within the U.S.;
Any utilization of the mobile application’s constituent code, functions, or services in the functioning of software or services developed and/or
accessible within the U.S.
Any other prohibitive transaction relating to WeChat or TikTok may be
identified at a future date. Should the U.S. Government determine that
WeChat’s or TikTok’s illicit behavior is being replicated by another app
somehow outside the scope of these executive orders, the President has the
authority to consider whether additional orders may be appropriate to
address such activities.
川腊肉已经输了官司，
你还哔哔个啥
lol
【 在 hsh (没有老将小将，只有反共将和舔共将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: 按照商业部的解释，微信还能用吗？从技术层面上怎样实现呢？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 21 19:04:02 2020, 美东)
:
: 我的理解是，如果实现了商业部的要求，微信事实上就不能用了，不只是微信钱包
:
: 从app store里拿掉比较简单，ISP还需要做什么？
:
: As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited:
: Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok
: mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an
: online mobile application store in the U.S.;
: Any provision of services through the WeChat mobile application for the
: purpose of transferring funds or processing payments within the U.S.
: As of September 20, 2020, for WeChat and as of November 12, 2020, for
TikTok
: , the following transactions are prohibited:
: Any provision of internet hosting services enabling the functioning or
: optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.;
: Any provision of content delivery network services enabling the
functioning
: or optimization of the mobile application in the U.S.;
: Any provision directly contracted or arranged internet transit or peering : services enabling the function or optimization of the mobile application
: within the U.S.;
: Any utilization of the mobile application’s constituent code, functions, or
: services in the functioning of software or services developed and/or
: accessible within the U.S.
: Any other prohibitive transaction relating to WeChat or TikTok may be
: identified at a future date. Should the U.S. Government determine that
: WeChat’s or TikTok’s illicit behavior is being replicated by another app
: somehow outside the scope of these executive orders, the President has the
: authority to consider whether additional orders may be appropriate to
: address such activities.
:
:
: --
只是暂时停止执行，官司还在打
【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: 川腊肉已经输了官司，
: 你还哔哔个啥
: lol
: TikTok
: functioning
: or
The US Commerce Department on Friday issued an order that prohibits new app downloads or updates to hyper-popular video app TikTok, which is owned by
Chinese firm ByteDance, and WeChat, a chat and payments app owned by owned
by the Chinese mega-conglomerate Tencent. The apps' connection to China has sparked government fears over national security and data collection by
Chinese officials.
But the order goes one step further, and it has far worse implications for
WeChat: Beginning on Sunday, the app will not only be unavailable to
download and unable to process payments, but it will also be rendered
unusable for US users — the Commerce Department order prohibits any
internet hosting service from "enabling the functioning or optimization of
the mobile application in the US."
打到高院之前会一直winning
到了高院，也70%概率赢
lol
【 在 hsh (没有老将小将，只有反共将和舔共将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: 按照商业部的解释，微信还能用吗？从技术层面上怎样实现呢
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 21 19:06:11 2020, 美东)
:
: 只是暂时停止执行，官司还在打
:
: 【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 川腊肉已经输了官司，
: : 你还哔哔个啥
: : lol
: : TikTok
: : functioning
: : or
:
:
:
: --
不需要做啥，最多就是CDN不能再提供服务。那也不影响通讯业务。
【 在 hsh 的大作中提到: 】
:
:我的理解是，如果实现了商业部的要求，微信事实上就不能用了，不只是微信钱包
:
:从app store里拿掉比较简单，ISP还需要做什么？
:
:As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited:
:Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok
:mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an
:online mobile application store in the U.S.;
:Any provision of services through the WeChat mobile application for the
:purpose of transferring funds or processing payments within the U.S.
:As of September 20, 2020, for WeChat and as of November 12, 2020, for
TikTok, the following transactions are prohibited:
这是另一回事。我想从技术角度弄清楚
【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: 打到高院之前会一直winning
: 到了高院，也70%概率赢
: lol
技术角度就是这是个彻底的封禁
商务部的说法就是哄骗法官认为只封禁了金钱交易
lol
【 在 hsh (没有老将小将，只有反共将和舔共将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这是另一回事。我想从技术角度弄清楚
你显然没有读商业部的细则
internet hosting services
content delivery network service
internet transit or peering services
都禁了,所以我觉得是complete shutdown
商业部长说：for all practical purposes it will be shut down in the U.S.
【 在 insect9 (insect9) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不需要做啥，最多就是CDN不能再提供服务。那也不影响通讯业务。
: :
: :我的理解是，如果实现了商业部的要求，微信事实上就不能用了，不只是微信钱包
: :
: :从app store里拿掉比较简单，ISP还需要做什么？
: :
: :As of September 20, 2020, the following transactions are prohibited:
: :Any provision of service to distribute or maintain the WeChat or TikTok
: :mobile applications, constituent code, or application updates through an : :online mobile application store in the U.S.;
: ...................
从技术层面上怎样实现呢? ISP扔掉所有WeChat数据包?
【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: 技术角度就是这是个彻底的封禁
: 商务部的说法就是哄骗法官认为只封禁了金钱交易
: lol
why not?
【 在 hsh (没有老将小将，只有反共将和舔共将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 从技术层面上怎样实现呢? ISP扔掉所有WeChat数据包?
这会拖慢所有internet traffic
【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: why not?
禁微信的目的本来就是恶心梅花和作秀给铁锈看得
你用了就违法了
是否技术上真的封禁， 根本不重要，
十有八九技术上根本没有封禁
lol
【 在 hsh (没有老将小将，只有反共将和舔共将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: 按照商业部的解释，微信还能用吗？从技术层面上怎样实现呢
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 21 19:47:22 2020, 美东)
:
: 这会拖慢所有internet traffic
: 【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: : why not?
:
:
:
: --
考验我弟是否已经实现了gfw但就是不告诉你们
【 在 hsh (没有老将小将，只有反共将和舔共将) 的大作中提到: 】
: 从技术层面上怎样实现呢? ISP扔掉所有WeChat数据包?
:
: 【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 技术角度就是这是个彻底的封禁
: : 商务部的说法就是哄骗法官认为只封禁了金钱交易
: : lol
ISP在路由器丢数据包要累死，而且腾讯随时可以改IP
这么大流量的防火墙我弟没有
你觉得大纪元在中国境内买了啥service? 要是关service就能搞定，厉害国还要个屁的防火墙。
点对点传输不受影响，群聊会变慢。影响最大的是微信里的文章，那个全要连到国内服务器乐趣。
【 在 hsh 的大作中提到: 】
:
:你显然没有读商业部的细则
:
:internet hosting services
:content delivery network service
:internet transit or peering services
:都禁了,所以我觉得是complete shutdown
:
:商业部长说：for all practical purposes it will be shut down in the U.S.
:
:【 在 insect9 (insect9) 的大作中提到: 】
:: 不需要做啥，最多就是CDN不能再提供服务。那也不影响通讯业务。
厉害国的防火墙当年是思科造的，华为的技术能搞定这个流量也没几年。
【 在 keyrock 的大作中提到: 】
:
:ISP在路由器丢数据包要累死，而且腾讯随时可以改IP
:
:这么大流量的防火墙我弟没有
:
腾讯狡猾狡猾的
北美服务器可能都移到加拿大，看看美帝建防火墙的本事
这个投资不是一点半点
普通防火墙，腾讯IP一换就没用了
deep inspection的防火墙，不是一般难搞
【 在 insect9 (insect9) 的大作中提到: 】
: 厉害国的防火墙当年是思科造的，华为的技术能搞定这个流量也没几年。
: :
: :ISP在路由器丢数据包要累死，而且腾讯随时可以改IP
: :
: :这么大流量的防火墙我弟没有
: :
从来没有说用微信违法，也不可能说
【 在 rihai (海桑虎桑柱桑等倭杂之克星) 的大作中提到: 】
: 禁微信的目的本来就是恶心梅花和作秀给铁锈看得
: 你用了就违法了
: 是否技术上真的封禁， 根本不重要，
: 十有八九技术上根本没有封禁
: lol