В результате разгрома Японии создались б лагоприятные условия для победы народных революций в Китае, Северной Корее и во Вь етнаме. Мао Цзэ-дун, когда-то считавшийся с исторической правдой, писал в августе 1945 года: ?Красная Армия пришла помочь китайскому народу изгнать агрессоров. Такого примера еще не было в истории Китая. Влияние этого события неоценимо?. Народно-осво бодительная армия получила огромные запасы трофейного оружия. Только два наших фр онта захватили у бывшей Квантунской арми и и передали представителям НОА 3,7 тыс. ор удий, минометов, гранатометов, 600 танков, 861 самолет, около 1,2 тыс. пулеметов, почти 680 различных воинских складов, а также корабли Сунгарийской военной речной флотилии. Позднее была передана значительная часть советского оружия. Советское командов ание позаботилось, чтобы все оружие было в порядке и пригодно для боевого применения. Помню, мне докладывали, что представители Китайской народно-освободительной армии высказывали чувства признательности и благодарности Советскому Союзу, его Вооруженным Силам, создавшим важные предпос ылки для победы китайской революции. Трофейное и наше, отечественное, оружие и боевая техника помогли перевооружить Народно-освободительную армию и технически осна стить ее новые части и соединения, ставши е потом костяком и ударной силой революционного Китая. Не подлежит сомнению, что без решающей помощи Советского Союза китай ский народ не смог бы так быстро сбросить ярмо японских милитаристов и добиться ос вобождения своей страны.
On June 25, 1950, the forces of North Korea invaded the South. The South Korean army was poorly organized and badly led, and the initial North Korean advance was quite rapid. The United Nations Security Council immediately met in emergency session and ordered the North Koreans to cease their invasion and withdraw from the South, but these demands were ignored. On June 27, President Harry Truman authorized American forces to oppose the invasion, and General MacArthur ordered the Far East Air Force (FEAF) into immediate action against the attackers.
At that time, the combat units of the FEAF were equipped with the Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star fighter, the North American F-82 Twin Mustang all weather escort fighter, the Douglas B-26 Invader light attack bomber, the Lockheed RF-80A tactical reconnaissance aircraft, and the Boeing B-29 Superfortress heavy bomber. These were later supplemented by North American F-51 Mustang fighters transferred in great haste from the USA.
These US aircraft rapidly gained control of the air from the Korean People's Armed Forces Air Corps (KPAFAC), which was equipped with an assortment of Russian-built equipment such as the Yakovlev Yak-9 and Lavochkin La-ll fighters, the Ilyushin Il-10 ground attack aircraft and a smattering of Yak-18 and Po-2 trainers. Having largely eliminated the KPAFAC, the FEAF now turned to the task of ground attack in trying to halt the rapid North Korean advance.
Despite repeated air attacks by UN aircraft on the advancing North Korean troops, by early September the UN armies had been squeezed down into a small area south of the Naktong River, and there was a very real fear that the hard-pressed UN troops might be forced to evacuate the entire Korean peninsula.
General MacArthur's invasion of Inchon on September 15, 1950 suddenly reversed the fortunes of the UN forces in Korea, and by the end of the month North Korean forces had been driven entirely out of South Korea. At that time, the UN decided to enforce its prewar intention of reuniting all of Korea under one government, and UN forces advanced across the 38th Parallel and headed north, in spite of stern warnings from China of possible intervention if UN troops approached their border.
By the end of October, UN forces were up near the Chinese frontier and some forward units were actually on the southern banks of the Yalu River. On November 1, 1950, a group of F-51s and B-26s were beating up an airfield near Sinuiju (just across the Yalu from China) when they encountered six swept-wing jets coming across the Yalu at them, firing as they approached. The Mustangs were able to escape the attack and return to base to report that the MiG-15 had appeared in Korea.
The Russian-built MiG-15 was a product of the Mikoyan/Gurevich design bureau, and was originally designed as a high-altitude interceptor to counter the US B-29 and B-36 long-range bombers. The prototype, designated I-310, made its first flight on December 30, 1947 powered by an imported Rolls-Royce Nene-1 centrifugal flow turbojet. The Nene turbojet was placed into production in the Soviet Union as the RD-45. The first production MiG-15s reached operational units in early 1949. The RD-45 engine was not very reliable and had excessively high fuel consumption. In later production batches, this engine was replaced by the Klimov VK-1, which was an improved version of the RD-45 offering 5957 lb.st. Versions of the MiG-15 powered by the VK-1 became known as MiG-15bis. These entered operational service in early 1950, and eventually became the most widely produced MiG version. Armament consisted of one NS-37 or N-37 37-mm cannon with 40 rounds and two NS-23 23-mm machine guns with 80 rpg.
It is now known that these MiGs were not actually flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots but by experienced Russians, many with considerable World War 2 experience. In February of 1950, the 29th Fighter Aviation Regiment had been transferred from Moscow to China. It was later joined by the 151st Fighter Aviation Division to form the 64th Fighter Aviation Corps. The unit was committed to combat in November of 1950. The pilots wore Chinese uniforms and were not allowed to speak Russian over their radios. This deception continued until the summer of 1951, after which Chinese and North Korean pilots began to participate.
In these early encounters, MiG pilots would cross the border at high altitude, dive down and attack American aircraft, then duck back over the Yalu. For political reasons, US aircraft were forbidden to pursue.
On November 8, history's first jet-vs-jet battle took place when Lieut. Russell J. Brown flying a F-80C shot down a single MiG-15 out of a flight of four which had dashed across the Yalu. Even though the F-80C drew first blood, the MiG was a hundred miles per hour faster than the Shooting Star and there was no doubt in anyone's mind that the MiG-15 was a deadly threat and could soon wrest control of the air from the UN forces unless checked. Chinese-based MiGs soon began to attack B-29 bombers flying near the Chinese border, and the F-80s were too slow to provide any effective protection.
Even though the initial skirmishes with the MiGs had demonstrated that their pilots lacked experience and an aggressive approach, the MiG threat was very real and threw the USAF into a near panic. The USAF had nothing in Korea that could provide an effective counter if the MiG-15s were to intervene in large numbers.
In order to counter the MiG threat, on November 8 the 4th Fighter Interceptor Wing (which consisted of the 334th 335th, and 336th Squadrons) based at Wilmington, Delaware and equipped with the F-86A Sabre was ordered to Korea. Most of their pilots were seasoned veterans of World War 2 and they had shot down over 1000 Germans during that conflict. Prior to flying to the West Coast, the 4th FIG exchanged their older '48 model F-86As for some of the best "low-time" F-86As taken from other Sabre units. The 334th and 335th FIS flew to San Diego and their planes were loaded aboard a Navy escort carrier. The 336th FIS went to San Francisco and was loaded aboard a tanker. Their F-86A aircraft arrived in Japan in mid-December. The aircraft were then unloaded and flown to Kimpo airfield in Korea.
However, before any of these Sabres could reach the front, on November 26, 1950, Chinese armies intervened with devastating force in Korea, breaking through the UN lines and throwing them back in utter confusion. The MiGs did not provide any effective support for this invasion, being unable to establish any effective intervention below a narrow strip up near the Yalu. The MiG pilots were relatively inexperienced and were poor marksmen. They would seldom risk more than one pass at their targets before they would dart back across the Yalu. Had the MiGs been able to establish and hold air superiority over the battle area, the UN forces may well have been thrown entirely out of Korea.
The first advanced detachment of 336th FIS F-86As arrived at Kimpo airfield south of Seoul on December 15. The first Sabre mission took place on December 17. It was an armed reconnaissance of the region just south of the Yalu. Lt. Col. Bruce H. Hinton, commander of the 336th Squadron, succeeding in shooting down one MiG-15 out of a flight of four, to score first blood for the Sabre. The rest of the MiGs fled back across the Yalu. On December 19, Col. Hinton led another four-plane flight up to the Yalu, where his flight met six MiGs who flew through his formation without firing a shot before dashing back across the Yalu. On December 22, the MiGs managed to shoot down a single Sabre out of a flight of eight without loss to themselves, but later that day the Sabres got their revenge by destroying six MiGs out a flight of 15. This loss spooked the MiG pilots, and they avoided combat for the rest of the month.
During December, the 4th Wing had flown 234 sorties, clashed with the enemy 76 times, scored eight victories, and lost one aircraft.
By the end of 1950, Chinese armies had driven UN forces out of North Korea and had begun to invade the South. The Sabres were forced to leave Kimpo and return to Japan which put them out of range of the action up at the Yalu.
Even though the Yalu was now out of range, on January 14, an F-86A detachment appeared at Taegu to participate as fighter bombers to try to halt the Chinese advance. The F-86A was not very successful in the fighter- bomber role, being judged much less effective than slower types such as the F-80 and the F-84. When carrying underwing ordinance, the F-86A's range and endurance were much too low, and it could not carry a sufficiently large offensive load to make it a really effective fighter bomber. In these attacks, the underwing armament was usually limited to only a pair of 5-inch rockets.
Eventually, the Chinese advance ground to a halt due to extended supply lines and the relentless UN air attacks. The Chinese advance was halted by the end of January, and the UN forces began pushing them back. Kimpo airfield was recovered on February 10. The halting of the Chinese advance can be blamed largely on the inability of the MiGs to provide any effective support for the Chinese attack. Not only had no Chinese bombers appeared to attack UN troops, but no MiGs had flown south of the Yalu region to provide any air support.
The Chinese apparently did have plans for a major spring offensive to complete the task of driving the UN out of Korea. This plan was to be based on the construction of a series of North Korean air bases and for Chinese MiGs to use these bases as forward landing strips to provide air superiority over the North, preventing UN aircraft from interfering with the advance.
In early March, the MiGs began to become more active in support of this offensive, On March 1, MiGs jumped a formation of nine B-29s and severely damaged three of them. Fortunately, by this time the UN base at Suwon was now ready, and the Sabres were now able to return to Korea and reenter the fray over the Yalu. The Sabres of the 334th Squadron began their first Yalu patrols on March 6th, and the rest of the squadron moved in four days later. At the same time, the 336th Squadron moved to Taegu from Japan, so that they could stage Sabres through Suwon. The 4th Wing's other squadron, the 335th, stayed in Japan until May 1.
The strip of airspace in western Korea just south of the Yalu soon became known as "MiG Alley" to the Sabre pilots. The Sabres would arrive for their 25-minute patrols in five minute intervals. The MiGs would usually cruise back and forth at high altitude on the other side of the Yalu, looking for an opportune time to intervene. Very often they would remain on the north side of the river, tantalizingly out of reach. When the MiGs did choose to enter battle, the Sabres would usually have only a fleeting chance to fire at the enemy before the MiGs broke off and escaped back across the Yalu. The MiGs had the advantage of being able to choose the time and place of the battle. The MiG-15 had a better high-altitude performance than the F-86A. The MiG had a higher combat ceiling, a higher climb rate, and was faster at higher altitudes than the F-86A. Its superior high-altitude performance enabled the MiG to break off combat at will. Despite these handicaps, the F-86A pilots were far more experienced than their Chinese opponents and they were better marksmen. The Sabre was a more stable gun platform and had fewer high-speed instabilities than did the MiG-15. In addition, the F-86A was faster than the MiG-15 at lower altitudes, and an effective strategy was for the Sabre to force the battle down to lower altitudes where it had the advantage.
In April of 1951, the MiGs got a little bolder, and they would often make attempts to intercept B-29 formations that were attacking targets in the Sinuiju area up near the Yalu. The biggest air battle of that spring took place on April 12, when a formation of 39 B-29s escorted by F-84Es and F- 86As were attacked by over 70 MiGs. Three B-29s were lost, whereas 14 MiGs were claimed destroyed, four by the escorting Sabres and ten by B-29 gunners.
On May 20, 1951, F-86A pilot Capain James Jabara became the world's first jet ace when he shot down a pair of MiGs to bring his total to six.
No F-86As were lost in action during the first five months of 1951, and they flew 3550 sorties and scored 22 victories. Most of the attrition was caused by accidents rather than by losses in actual combat.
In June of 1951, the MiGs began to show more aggressive behavior, and their pilots began to get somewhat better. In air battles on June 17th, 18th, and 19th, six MiGs were destroyed but two Sabres were lost. Another Sabre was lost on June 11 when the 4th Wing covering an F-80 attack on the Sinuiju airfield shot down two more MiGs.
As the first year of the Korean War came to an end, it was apparent that the Sabre had been instrumental in frustrating the MiG-15's bid for air superiority. Without control of the air, the Red Chinese were unable to establish their series of air bases and they were not able to carry out effective air support of their spring offensive, and the Korean War settled down to a stalemate on the ground.
The more-advanced F-86E began to enter action in Korea with the 4th Wing in July of 1951, replacing that unit's F-86As on a one-by-one basis. The conversion to the F-86E was rather slow, and the last F-86A was not replaced until July of 1952.
In September of 1951, the MiG-15bis began to appear. It was powered by a 6000 lb.s.t. engine.
In order to meet a new threat of MiG action against B-29 bombers over Korea, on October 22, 1951 seventy-five F-86Es were ordered shipped to Japan to replace the F-80Cs of the 51st Wing based at Suwon. The 51st Wing ( consisting of the 16th and 25 FIS) began operations with its new F-86Es from Suwon on December 1, with the famous World War 2 ace Col. Francis S. Gabreski as wing commander. The first kill for the 51th FIS was scored by Lt. Paul Roach of the 25th FIS on December 2. Col. Gabreski had scored 31 kills over Europe in World War 2, and he added 6.5 victories to his score in Korea.
At any one time, only about 60 Sabres could be put into the air, assuming that everything was "right", with the rest of the force remaining at Kimpo or Suwon on alert or down for maintenance. Even when at maximum levels, the Sabre force was far outnumbered by the MiGs. By late 1951, there were enough MiGs available so that the Chinese forces attempted to move a couple of MiG squadrons into the base at Uiju, North Korea. UN air attacks soon made this base untenable, forcing the MiGs back across the Yalu.
A third squadron was added to the 51st FIG (the 39the FIS) in June of 1952. The number disparity still remained, with the MiGs outnumbering the Sabres about 1000 to 150 during late 1952.
It is now known that there were Soviet fighter squadrons which participated in the air combat along the Yalu. They were rotated through the MiG bases on the northern side of the Yalu. Soviet Air Force MiGs operated from bases at Antung, Fengcheng, Tak Tung Kao, Takushan, Juantien, and others. At Mukden in Manchuria there were large numbers of MiGs waiting to replace those lost in battle or rotating home. Some Eastern Block units also participated. In addition, Soviet Units carried out extensive training of Chinese and North Korean pilots.
The rules of engagement initially laid down by UN order was that no UN aircraft were allowed to violate the Manchurian border for any reason. The Communist forces were well aware of this limitation and took full advantage of it. The MiGs would form up into attack position just across the Yalu, usually at an altitude well above that at which the Sabres could operate. The MiGs would dive on the UN aircraft, make their attack, then pop back across the Yalu to safety.
In late 1951, the rules of engagement were modified, making it possible for UN pilots to cross the Yalu when in "hot pursuit" of an enemy. However, there were lots of unofficial violations of this rule, and there were some occassions in which bombing and strafing attacks were carried out by UN aircraft on Communist facilities north of the Yalu, and F-86s did on occasions went north of the Yalu looking for MiGs. There were even some MiG kills scored on the "wrong" side of the Yalu. The Manchurian sanctuary was lifted in the second week of April of 1952.
The first F-86Fs reached Korea in June and July of 1952, and they were issued to the 51st Wing's new 39th Squadron. F-86Fs were provided to the 335th Squadron of the 4th Wing in September of 1952. The arrival of the F- 86F quickly boosted Sabre victories in Korea. The 4th Wing's 335th Squadron scored a total of 81 victories during the remainder of 1952, while the other two 4th Wing squadrons (which were still operating F-86Es) got 41.
With a record like that, it now seemed that EVERYONE in Korea wanted an F- 86F, and so to prevent the morale of F-86E pilots from declining, a decision was made to have F-86Fs distributed more or less equally among all the squadrons in the 4th Wing. To meet the increased demand, all the F-86Fs still in the US were immediately shipped to Korea and exchanged for F-86Es which were then returned home.
Fifty "6-3" wing conversion kits were shipped to Korea in high secrecy in September of 1952 to convert F-86F aircraft already there to the new configuration. Enough kits were eventually supplied to convert all Korean- based F-86Fs and some F-86Es to this new configuration. The "6-3" wing was an immediate success, quickly boosting Sabre victories in Korea. With the "6-3-wing" F-86F, the USAF now had a fighter which could match the maximum speed of the MiG at altitudes all the way up to the Sabre's service ceiling of 47,000 feet, could turn inside the MiG, and which had almost as great a rate of climb.
During late 1952, fully a fifth of Sabre victories over MiGs were obtained without the pilots having to fire their guns. During the last four months of 1952, thirty-two MiGs were observed to go in to sudden uncontrollable spins while being chased by Sabres. Only two of their pilots managed to recover. The rest either ejected or else crashed with their planes. Even though no guns were actually fired, the frightening of a MiG pilot into getting himself into an unrecoverable spin nevertheless still counted as a "kill". It seems that a large number of inexperienced MiG pilots were now entering the fray.
However, during the first four months of 1953, MiG pilot performance seemed to get a little better, since more of their pilots were able to recover from these involuntary spins.
F-86Fs would often fly in teams with F-86Es, with the Fs flying at 40,000 feet and the Es at a lower level to handle any MiGs which managed to come down to harass the fighter bombers.
It was with F-86F with the "6-3" wing that the Sabre was to rack up its biggest score during the Korean War. Between May 8, 1953 and May 31, 1953, F-86Fs with 6-3 wings accounted for 56 MiG kills vs only one lost, one of the most one-sided air battles ever fought, not to be surpassed until the early 1980s when Israeli F-15s and F-16s scored an 80-0 victory over Syrian aircraft over the Bekka Valley during the Lebanon incursion. On June 20, 1953 F-86F Sabres accounted for 16 victories, their biggest one-day score of the war.
The arrival of the "6-3" winged Sabre in Korea was soon to be followed by the fighter-bomber Sabre. The first F-86F-30-NA fighter-bombers arrived in Korea on January 28, 1953, and they equipped the 18th Fighter Bomber Wing based at Osan. This Wing flew its first Yalu patrol on February 25, and scored its first MiG kill on the same day. By the end of March, there were enough F-86F-30s to equip the 12th Squadron and the attached 2nd Squadron of the South African Air Force. The SAAF 2nd Squadron flow 1427 Sabre sorties during the Korean War, and lost two enemy aircraft to ground fire. No. 2 Squadron returned their Sabres to the USAF after Korea, and purchased Canadair-built versions to supplement the fighter force in South Africa.
The 8th Fighter Bomber Wing based at Suwon began trading in its F-80C Shooting Stars for F-86F-30 Sabres in February of 1953, the conversion being finally completed at the end of April. The 8th Wing took their Sabres into action in a MiG Alley sweep on April 8, and on April 13 this Wing carried out its first ground attack mission by hitting an enemy troop concentration.
By this time, the USAF had five jet fighter-bomber wings, three with F-84G Thunderjets and two with F-86F-30s. The Thunderjets had a superior range, but the fighter-bomber Sabre proved itself eminently suitable for bombing work and, unlike the Thunderjet, was able to fend for itself in MiG-infested territory.
During June 1953, more Sabres were lost in ground attack missions than in air-to-air combat. They delivered 3044 tons of bombs during that month, fourteen being lost to enemy flak.
The Korean War finally ended on July 27, 1953, with a negotiated truce in which the country remained divided into two. The last Sabre/MiG fight of the Korean War took place on July 22, 1953, when Lt. Sam P. Young of the 31st Wing scored his first and only victory. The last kill of the Korean War took place on July 27, when Capt. Ralph S. Parr flying an F-86F-30 shot down an Il-12 twin-engined transport aircraft. At the end of the Korean War, the seven American fighter Wings in Korea had 297 Sabres on hand, with 132 of them being with fighter-bomber Wings.
The actual kill-to-loss ratio vis-à-vis the F-86 and the MiG-15 is still a matter of controversy. In an official Air Force publication issued shortly after the end of the Korean War listed 808 MiGs shot down for the loss of 58 Sabres, for a 14:1 ratio. Other official lists issued by the Air Force come up with somewhat different numbers. The USAF Historical Study #81, USAF Credits for the Destruction of Enemy Aircraft, Korean War, and the USAF Statistical Digest of FY 1953, all list a total of 792 MiGs as having been claimed by F-86s. A total of 78 Sabres were lost in air-to-air combat, with 19 additional Sabres being lost to ground fire, and 13 to unknown causes. So the overall superiority of the Sabre over the MiG was about ten to one.
Soviet archives that have only recently come to light officially list 345 Soviet-piloted MiG-15s having been lost to UN aircraft of all types during the Korean conflict. There are no comparable figures available for Chinese or North Korean losses. By the early spring of 1953, most of the Soviet units had been withdrawn from combat, and most of the MiGs were now being flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots. During April-July of 1953, Sabres claimed 191 MiGs destroyed, most of them being flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots. Soviet pilots from the era claimed a 2:1 kill ratio in their favor, but this claim must be treated with a considerable amount of skepticism.
There were 39 Korean War American jet aces, all of which flew Sabres. 305 of the 810 aircraft shot down by the Sabres in Korea were destroyed by aces. Capt. Joseph McConnell Jr. of the 16th Squadron, 51st Wing was the top ace with 16 kills. Col. Francis Gabreski added 6 1/2 MiGs to his 31 German kills of World War II.
In order to counter the MiG threat, on November 8 the 4th Fighter Interceptor Wing (which consisted of the 334th 335th, and 336th Squadrons) based at Wilmington, Delaware and equipped with the F-86A Sabre was ordered to Korea.
By the early spring of 1953, most of the Soviet units had been withdrawn from combat, and most of the MiGs were now being flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots. During April-July of 1953, Sabres claimed 191 MiGs destroyed, most of them being flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots.
The "6-3" wing was an immediate success, quickly boosting Sabre victories in Korea. With the "6-3-wing" F-86F, the USAF now had a fighter which could match the maximum speed of the MiG at altitudes all the way up to the Sabre's service ceiling of 47,000 feet, could turn inside the MiG, and which had almost as great a rate of climb.
At any one time, only about 60 Sabres could be put into the air, assuming that everything was "right", with the rest of the force remaining at Kimpo or Suwon on alert or down for maintenance. Even when at maximum levels, the Sabre force was far outnumbered by the MiGs.
The original wing was present on the 1st through 170th F-86F-25 models, and the 1st through the 199th F-86F-30 models. Planes produced after this came with factory installed "6-3" wings, North American also sent out upgrade kits to add the "6-3" wing to around half of the unmodified F-86F's
The original wing limited top speed to 688 mph (1107 km/hr), had a higher drag coefficient than the "6-3" wing, but also had the stall speed 20 mph (32 kph) lower than the "6-3" wing
The "6-3" wing was developed by recommendations from George Welch, North American's test pilot during the summer of 1952. Welch recommended removing the slats and extending the F-86's leading edges instead. Three modified F- 86E Sabres were tested. By August 1952, the 6-3 wing was perfected. This modification deleted the leading edge slats and added a new solid leading edge with six inches more chord at the root near the fuselage and three inches more length at the wing tip. Finally, a five inch high boundary layer "fence" was added to the wing's upper surface at 70% of the wingspan to direct air flow.
The "6-3" wing raised the stall speed of Sabres by 20 mph (32 kph), increased the top speed to 695 mph (1118 kph), had a lower drag coefficient compared to the original wing, and increased high altitude maneuverability by delaying the onset of buffeting
The F-86F-40 was a joint development between Mitsubishi and North American in order to equip the JASDF with better fighters. In March 1955, the United States Air Force converted all active duty Sabres to F-40 specifications. The F-40 wing restored the leading edge slats and lengthened the wing by one foot
The F-40 wing lowered the stall and takeoff speeds of Sabres fitted with them, it also further increased high altitude maneuverability, the wings also kept the 6-3 chord modification
用。
【 在 Nietzsche (上帝死了) 的大作中提到: 】
: sb，他们用的重武器都是美国的
想想看，老彭在朝鲜3年，怎么没有缴获一辆T26潘兴，怎么没有组建T26潘兴坦克师，
怎么没有组建F86战机团？！
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不管重武器生产厂家，但都是苏联提供的，把中国打造成苏联和美国同盟国之间的缓冲
: 带。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 林彪粟裕其实都没啥。他们的战绩都是45-49时候的，其实都是苏联提供的重武器的作
: 用。
【 在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到: 】
: 提供的重武器主要是炮。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 当时苏联提供的有二战美援，捷克，德国，日本关东军大量集团军级别的重武器，苏制
: 因为怕美国参战，只在东北使用，没带入关内。老毛大笔一挥，都是缴获国军的。
: 想想看，老彭在朝鲜3年，怎么没有缴获一辆T26潘兴，怎么没有组建T26潘兴坦克师，
: 怎么没有组建F86战机团？！
[在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到：]
:林彪粟裕其实都没啥。他们的战绩都是45-49时候的，其实都是苏联提供的重武器的作:用。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还有坦克，飞机，装甲火车，炮舰。
[在 PoloAlto (高宝宝) 的大作中提到：]
:共军就是只能对手无寸铁民众开枪的一堆狗屎。
以下画面是从苏联随军摄影记者所拍摄的战争纪录片《解放了的中国》中截取，反映了1948年11月四野入关的场景。http://bbs.tiexue.net/post2_6940195_1.html
四野坦克一师有100多辆坦克入关，留在关外不知多少。
【 在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这些没有多少，并不对战局有决定性影响。
曾国藩喜欢结硬寨，打呆仗，不投机取巧
这种战术在没有重火力的晚清时代是合理的
内战的时候已经有重火力了，刻舟求剑的结硬寨打呆仗无法抵挡住共军
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 林彪粟裕其实都没啥。他们的战绩都是45-49时候的，其实都是苏联提供的重武器的作
: 用。
在重庆谈判期间，毛泽东、周恩来和王若飞多次前往苏联使馆，申请获得苏联方面军火扶持以对国民政府开战。正在逼迫国民党政府“战利品合营东北”的斯大林指示苏联驻华大使彼得罗夫与中共保持距离，不表态支持中共开战。蒋介石拒绝访苏邀请和“战利品合营东北”建议后，斯大林决定：苏军从中国东北撤军以避免与美国的正面冲突，扶持中共武力推翻国民党政府。1946年2月28日，苏联开始从东北撤军，同时背弃《中苏
友好同盟条约》，将东北城市交中共东北局接收，授意中共“放手大打”。有了苏军支持内战的表态，毛泽东病愈复出，指示东北局“坚决彻底歼灭国民党进攻军队，愈多愈好，不惜重大伤亡”，[28] 致电军调处代表周恩来拒绝国民党任何接收东北大城市的要求。苏军的通知让中共高层们感到毛泽东在半个月前坚持开战主张的英明。刘少奇赶紧承认提出“和平民主新阶段”主张是犯了错误。其实，毛、刘主张都不重要。中国和平或战争取决于斯大林决定。若蒋介石接受“战利品合营”建议，则斯大林将命令毛泽东停止内战，苏军将再次驱赶中共军队，刘少奇就对了。
3月初，国民党第六届中央执行委员召开了第二次全会。外交部长王世杰向大会报告了
关于苏联以不撤军相压迫的情况。与会者群情激愤，要求立即宣布废止《中苏友好同盟协定》，罢免经手交涉的王世杰。张继、邹鲁、谷正纲、潘公展等人提出必须坚持要求中共放弃割据政权，放弃武力夺取政权的宗旨，抨击国民党政协代表让步过多。全会后，外交部根据会议要求照会苏联大使，要求了解苏军从东北撤军的情况。紧接着，国民政府召集第四届国民参政会开会。中共以国民党控制国民参政会为由，拒绝派代表出席。参政会议通过决议案，呼吁中共切实依照协议，停止内战。同时，社会各界也呼吁国共双方和平谈判，避免国家在长期抗战后再开内战，胡适、傅作义代表各界致电毛泽东呼吁放弃武力，参加政府。中共的外围组织民盟提出倾向中共的妥协方案为：中共军队退出长春，国民政府只派行政人员和平接收，不派军队进入，国共重开政治谈判，依据政协决议和整军方案解决东北问题。
两会议期间，中共的《新华日报》、《解放日报》连日抨击国民党二中全会，谓“反动顽固派的猖獗行动必须立时制止”，莫斯科的广播也猛烈抨击国民党二中全会，称重庆反动分子气焰嚣张，反对《中苏友好条约》，破坏政治协商的各项决议，推动反苏运动。国民参政会和社会各界不知道，甚至国民党的中央委员们也不知道，斯大林正在采取下列举措扶植中共向国民政府开战。
军火扶持
1946年3月，苏军从东北各大城市撤军，将城市交中共立即占领，将缴获的关东军精良
装备交给中共。时任八路军第十六军分区司令员曾克林回忆道：“打开仓库，拉了三天三夜。”曾司令员见到的只是苏联提供军火的一部分。二战结束时，斯大林手上有巨量剩余军火，包括苏制军火、捷克斯洛伐克制军火、缴获东北关东军和驻朝鲜日军的军火、根据租借法案从美国获得的军火。他将剩余军火卖给中共，其中包括重型武器、美制耐寒军械，上百万支步枪、机关枪，数千门大炮、迫击炮和掷弹筒，数百辆坦克，近千架飞机，数千辆机动车，数百万发炮弹，数千万发子弹，数十万个手榴弹，数百吨炸药、数百万只雷管、百万米导火线，此外还交给中共数百座军用仓库及一支松花江舰队。[29] 赫鲁晓夫后在回忆录中披露：“战败的日本兵放下武器，我们将他们的武器转交给了中共。我们避免暴露直接将日军武器转交给共军，办法是将武器集中存放在某地，让中共去取。”[30] 有了苏军提供的重型武器，中共军威大震。苏军撤出长春后，中共军队开始使用坦克、大炮等重型武器向城内国民党军进攻，几天就击败国军占领了长春。
中共需要掩盖依靠苏联军火扶植推翻国民政府的真相，苏共也想掩盖以军火扶植中共推翻国民党政府的事实。在中共夺取全国政权前夕，毛泽东在西柏坡向米高扬说：“国民党将军傅作义率部起义后，林彪部队在进入北平时将苏制武器全部上缴，换了美式装备”。[30] 他要通过米告诉斯大林中共作好了保密工作。为掩盖真相，中共定下了解放军军火缴获自日军和国民党军的宣传调子。建国后，《解放军炮兵史》几十年难产。原因无它，要符合上述宣传调子，这炮兵史就没法写。在国共战争全面爆发后，中共将千门榴炮运到山西打下了晋中，再运回东北打了辽沈战役，再运往华东参加了济南、淮海战役。中共的炮兵史最好地揭示了“三大战役”是如何制胜的，是苏联提供数千门大炮和技术人员催生了中共炮兵。中共的《坦克兵史》也是一样。与国民党北伐时的飞行员、铁甲车手是俄人一样，中共最初的坦克手也是俄人。
人力资源扶持
苏俄不仅向中共提供的先进武器装备，还向中共派出了技术兵种人员。例如，与北伐战争中一样，苏俄提供的坦克、大炮、飞机配有苏俄军事人员。根据多年后俄罗斯公布数据，近千苏联士兵死于中国的解放战争。这不仅披露了苏军秘密参加中共解放战争的规模，还说明推翻国民政府的所谓解放战争并非单纯的中国内战。
派苏军人员来华扶植中共之外，斯大林将整体投降的二十万满军交中共整编。这些满洲军与因苏联拆毁东北工厂制造出的数十万失去生活来源的东北失业大军一起，成为中共东北野战军迅速扩充的兵源，帮助中共在半年内扩充出几十万“东北民主联军”。国共东北开战后，斯大林将在朝鲜组建、训练并武装的数万朝鲜族精锐部队调入满洲，并入林彪的东北民主联军。[31] 因为这一扶植举措，几年后斯大林、金日成理直气壮地要
求毛泽东调四野朝鲜族师入朝加入朝鲜人民军。
技术扶持
与二十年前向“南北二赤”派顾问一样，斯大林向东北野战军派出了数千名军事顾问。这些军事顾问参与军事指挥，为中共开办了空军、炮兵、工程兵等一系列军事学校，帮助中共组建了空军、炮兵、工程兵等新兵种。派苏联顾问之外，斯大林还将日本战俘中的数万技术人员秘密交中共东北野战军收编。这数万日本技术人员有军官、教官、飞行员、军工技师、工兵、化学兵、炮兵、无线电兵、医生、护士、摄影师、电报员、汽车司机、火车技工。这些日本技术人员成为苏共为中共所建一系列新兵种的教官，帮助中共培训出了空军、炮兵、工程兵，帮助东北野战军保养、维修日本关东军武器，日本战俘中的医护人员受命为东北野战军培训军医，治疗护理共军伤病员。[32] 国共战争中的东北野战军卫生部门表彰的立功者中有四分之一是留用的日本战俘。[33] 众多东北野战军将士在回忆录中表达了对日本军医、护士的治疗照顾的感激。当时效力中共东北野战军的日军战俘中村义光（日本“回想四野会”会长，1990年“回想四野会”赴东北代表团团长）回忆，他与八十余日本战俘一起被留在了东北野战军后勤医院工作，原以为会受八路军歧视，没想到获称“同志”，享受到特殊生活待遇。日本战俘们感激八路军的优待与尊重，拼死效力，为中共的东北解放战争立下无数战功，获颁奖章无数。例如，中村义光在四野六次立功，其中三次为大功；“回想四野会”赴东北代表团成员团本间雅子披露，她与四野的日本战俘同事在辽沈战役中三天三夜不合眼，抢救医治了两千多伤员，吃饭都在手术台上，并且全体为共军伤员输血。[34] 关东军王牌部队第二航空军团第四练成大队被苏军解除武装后整体交中共收编，编入了东北民主联军。该大队中的20名飞行员、24名机械师、72名机械员和200多名地勤人员也得受到中共的生活
优待，帮助中共建立了东北航空学校，[35] 为中共培养出了160多位飞行员。
斯大林向中共提供技术人员扶植是中共东北野战军军力迅速提升的重要原因。没有这方面的扶植就没有中共在东北战场迅速战争国民党军的胜利。不仅如此，中共建国之初仍受惠于斯大林的技术扶持。日本飞行教官主持的东北航空学校成为中共空军的摇篮。从该校走出了23名开国大典空军阅兵飞行员，走出了空军司令员王海、空军副司令员林虎、北京军区空军司令员刘玉堤，和功勋飞行员张积慧等新中国空军精英。被留用的日本战俘铁路技术人员成为新中国铁路事业的开拓者，上千日本铁路技术人员主持修建了兰新铁路、山西铁路改造工程。四野第29后方医院的日籍炊事员吉冈宽回了火车司机本行，在新中国受命为毛泽东担任南巡湖南段的专列司机。因为日本技术人员的贡献，周恩来1956年6月接见日本代表团时说：“我们很感激一部分日本人，他们在解放战争时期
，作为医生、护士、技术员参加了解放战争。” 他没有说的是，中共首先要感谢斯大
林，因有斯大林的决定才有日本技术人员的效力。
后勤扶植
经过苏军半年祸害，整个东北工矿歇业，铁路停运，商业凋敝，贸易断绝，经济千疮百孔。苏军撤离后，政府军占领了东北中部，国民政府接管了中长铁路南线，五个中共解放区彼此孤立，在东北经济危机中陷入困境。这时，斯大林的强力扶持成为东北中共渡过难关决定因素。苏军帮助中共开辟了安东（今丹东）经新义州、南阳到图们、通化经辑安、满浦到图们，大连到南浦，大连到罗津等水陆运输线。1946年11月，东北共军兵败南满，大军连同数万伤病员、家属和后勤人员退入苏军控制的朝鲜休整，在那里获得了后勤、医疗支持。随后，中共东北局将绝大部分物资转移到鸭绿江以东，通过朝鲜沟通中共北满与南满根据地，使中共关外、关内与山东半岛形成了一个整体。毛泽东称中共在东北的地盘是背靠苏联，两侧有北朝鲜、外蒙古作依托的舒适的“沙发”，800公
里中朝边境是“我们隐蔽的后方”。有了苏军保护下的朝鲜后方，“东北民主联军”无国民党军背后、侧翼袭击之忧，得以顶住国民党的军事进攻和经济封锁，才有“三下江南”、“四保临江”的胜利。
斯大林为中共东北野战军提供的另一隐蔽后方是苏军控制下的旅顺大连。斯大林为扶植中共预作安排，在破坏东北工业基础时为中共保留大连部分钢铁、机械、化工基础设施不加破坏，苏军撤离时交中共控制，将在押的大批日本工程技术人员移交给中共东北局作为技术骨干，帮助中共在旅大建立物资供应基地、军工生产基地、后勤保障基地和军队训练基地。国共开战后，斯大林再将满洲化学、大华炼钢、进和、金属制品等六家工厂移交中共，派苏联专家前来协助。在苏共扶持下，中共成立起了大连建新公司，利用大连港从上海、天津、香港、朝鲜运来军工生产原材料，在大连兵工厂开始了军火生产。国共战争中，大连建新公司等东北军工生产基地生产了火炮数千，各种炮弹数百万，手榴弹数百万，子弹数千万。这些军火源源不断运上了中共推翻国民政府的作战前线。[36] 军火之外，旅大基地还向前线输送大批兵员、被服、医疗队。[37] 华东野战军代司令粟裕坦言：“我们除了没有飞机外，一切都有，我们的炮兵和坦克比敌人多。在全歼杜聿明集团时，我军炮火便完全压倒敌人。”“我们打杜聿明，几乎用炮火推平村庄，一个村子打几千颗炮弹和成千成万斤炸药”，“华东地区的解放，特别是淮海战役的胜利，离不开山东的小推车和大连的大炮弹。”[38] 中共中央档案馆馆藏档案文献中，可以看到周恩来起草的《中央军委关于大连军工生产问题给中共东北局并告华东局电》、朱德起草的《中央军委关于派干部到大连组织兵工生产》的电报和《中央军委关于抽调干部去大连办兵工厂致聂荣臻等电》、《中共中央东北局关于在大连成立军工生产委员会的决定》、《中共中央东北局关于派军工技术人员问题与中央军委、董必武的往来电文》等等。这些文电告说明了大连兵工厂对于国共战争之重要，但没有说明军工基地是如何得以创办。中共不说的决定因素是苏联的扶植。
物资扶持
在苏联远东地区人民战后极为困苦的背景下，斯大林批准了“援助中国民主政权恢复”计划，派百名专家到中国东北执行这一计划。根据援助计划，苏共与中共东北当局订立了秘密贸易协定，向中共东北控制区输送紧缺物资，中、苏、朝三共在平壤成立了军事合作委员会协调三共间的贸易事项，中共东北局在平壤和北朝鲜四个港口设立了办事处，负责接收援助事宜。苏共从朝鲜运送到中共东北根据地的军火、粮食、煤炭、食盐、布匹、医药、工业品、电气、广播、印刷和摄影等器材设备等各种物资2000多车皮。[
39] 这些物资不仅满足了中共东北战场的需求，还转运山东、晋冀鲁豫等各根据地。[40]
国共东北决战需要铁路网运兵、运物资，但当时的中共不具备修复铁路的技术。斯大林派苏联前铁道部长柯瓦廖夫(Ivan Kovalev)率专家组赴东北帮助中共修复东北铁路网。为掩盖苏联介入东北之战，中共成立了吕正操为局长的东北铁路总局作为对外幌子，铁路总局的真正首脑是柯瓦廖夫。柯瓦廖夫主持将日式窄轨铁路改建为苏式宽轨，开通了苏联援助中共战略物资的运输动脉，修建了大连码头的专用铁路，将存放在大连的数十火车头从车场运到大连码头装船，经对马海峡，运到朝鲜清津港，再转运到北满，修复了东北万余公里的铁路，百多座桥梁，使中共具备了能快速运输大部队和苏援重炮坦克的能力。苏共还通过远东外贸运输公司在佳木斯、富锦等处修建了码头，在哈尔滨增建了码头，于1947年春开通了援助中共的第二条交通大动脉——松花江航线，开始经此运动线从布拉戈维申斯克、哈巴罗夫斯克、共青团城向东北解放区的后勤基地，军事院校和中心医院的集中地佳木斯市定期供货。东北局成员张闻天与苏联外贸和运输部门密切合作，通过松花江航线经佳木斯转运大批燃料、药品、衣服、靴鞋等军需物资到东北共军各部。
有了从苏联、朝鲜源源运动来的物资，有了日本、苏联的军事顾问、技术顾问，有了朝鲜、大连的后勤、军工和安全休整基地，有了修复的铁路和桥梁以迅速调动军队，中共调入东北的八路军迅速扩充成了几十万大军，在短短一年中形成了对东北国民党军的战略优势。斯大林扶植的不仅是一个东北四野，而是中共四个野战军，即国共战争中的全部共军。向中共提供军火并非无偿，斯大林通过挑起国共战争做了历史上最大规模的军火生意，将战后剩余军火卖高价给了中共。中共在控制区推行暴力“土改”的背后是搜刮东北、华北农民的粮食，而搜刮粮食背后的动因是苏联援助协议中的粮食偿付军火债条款，中共每年须运去苏联数百万吨粮食以偿还军火债。
建国后，中共极力掩盖国共战争的苏联操纵性质，宣传中共推翻国民政府是靠“小米加步枪”，是靠从“运输大队长蒋介石”那里缴获的武器。事实上，东北决战中，中共的坦克、重炮决定了战争的胜败，东北野战军的军火来自苏援。二十年前，斯大林向“南北二赤”提供金钱军火规模巨大，足以推翻北洋政府。此时，斯大林向中共提供金钱、军火的规模更大，足以推翻国民政府。了解这些史实就会清楚，新中国的缔造者不是毛泽东，不是中共而是斯大林。是他缔造了东北野战军和东北根据地，是他缔造了中共四个野战军，东北国共之战并非内战，而是与当年北伐战争一样，是苏俄推翻中国政府的战争。二十年前，苏俄运给“南北二赤”军火，给中国带来连绵战争，废墟和尸骨。长期抗战后，苏俄再给中共运来军火，再次将中推入战火，造成中国尸横遍野，血流成河。斯大林的这次扶持不仅带给中国四年多的国共战争，还埋下了朝鲜战争的祸根。中共向国民党政府开战过程中，中、苏、朝三共约定朝共帮中共打天下后中共再帮朝共打天下，实际约定好了朝鲜战争。
運輸大隊長，中共手中的美式武器都是繳獲國民黨軍隊的。”真實的歷史是這樣嗎？
俄羅斯解密的前甦聯檔案，從中了解歷史事實︰
甦聯解密檔案公布數據
(1) 甦聯向中共提供了下列日本關東軍的能武裝至少100萬軍人的武器裝備︰步槍70萬
枝、機關槍14000挺、炮4000門、坦克600輛、飛機860架、汽車2500輛、彈藥庫679座；在1947年以前又提供步槍30萬枝；
(2) 此外，按照斯大林的布置，駐朝鮮甦軍把在朝鮮的日軍武器全部向中共移交。
(3) 另外，從1946年開始，甦聯把二次世界大戰時，美國通過租借法案，支持甦聯130
億美圓武器中的40億美圓的重型武器，全部支持了中共，而且直到1948年甦聯依然在繼續提供大量甦聯、捷克武器。
(4) 而且甦聯1947年初，甦聯把10萬主要是朝鮮人的，經過甦聯軍事訓練，全副武裝的軍隊，全部交給了林彪的部隊。
(5)在林彪的部隊中有數千名甦聯軍事顧問。
1976年甦聯出版的《甦聯軍事百科全書》軍事歷史卷“中國人民解放戰爭”條目中曾這樣寫過︰甦聯的援助是人民解放軍力量壯大的一個極其重要的因素。
甦軍指揮部把繳獲原日本關東軍的武器和軍事技術裝備轉交給中共軍隊（火炮、迫擊炮和火箭筒37000余門，坦克600輛，飛機861架，機槍約12000 挺，汽車2000余輛等等）
以及日本在北朝鮮軍隊的全部武器都交給了中共軍隊。爾後，甦聯又向中共軍隊提供了40億美圓的美式武器，以及大量甦制武器和軍 事技術裝備，“蔣的失敗不是運氣問題
，毛的成功也不是簡單的民心所能解釋，小米加步槍!“國民黨經過八年抗戰各精銳兵
力已被日寇大部消滅打光，剩下的雜牌 軍劇多，精銳越打越少，解放軍越打越多，解
放戰爭初期解放軍實力已遠在國軍之上。”
楊奎松先生所著《毛澤東與莫斯科的恩恩怨怨》在其中第8章中以甦聯檔案資料為依據
，在解放戰爭中，“ 甦聯紅軍不僅在暗中協助中共在東北建立根據地，而且為進入東
北的及在華北的中共軍隊先後提供了足夠裝備幾十萬人的武器彈藥，從而使這支過去因為裝備落後、 彈藥缺乏，主要靠游擊戰取勝的部隊，迅速成長起來，從而極大地縮短
了中共中央原先預計的徹底戰勝國民黨的時間表。”
作者在注解中引用了甦聯方面的檔案資料︰“有關戰後甦聯遠東軍向中共東北民主聯軍提供的日本關東軍武器數量，步槍約為70萬支，機槍約為 12000─14000挺，各種炮約
4000門，坦克約600輛，汽車約2000多輛，另有彈藥庫679座，800余架飛機和炮艇若干
。同時已知1948 年前後甦軍將絕大部分日本關東軍武器提供給中共軍隊以後，還曾向
東北的中共軍隊提供過一定數量的甦聯制造和捷克制造的武器裝備。據毛澤東與米高揚1949 年2月初的談話，為了宣傳的目的，東北野戰軍1948年11月入關前將甦制武器均留在了關外。
1976年出版的《甦聯軍事百科全書》軍事歷史卷“中國人民解放戰爭”條目中曾這樣寫過︰“甦聯的援助是人民解放軍力量壯大的一個極其重要的因素。甦軍指 揮部把繳獲
原日本關東軍的武器和軍事技術裝備轉交給人民解放軍（火炮、迫擊炮和火箭筒37000
余門，坦克600輛，飛機861架，機槍約12000挺， 汽車2000余輛等等）。爾後，甦聯又向人民解放軍提供了大量甦制武器和軍事技術裝備。”當年在東北參與接收的田時雨在其回憶錄中寫道︰“東北的日、偽軍 既幾全部被俘，俄軍所獲武器無數。從松北進出
的難胞所見︰如許多戰車、武器，俄軍除已隨時補給共軍外，絡繹不絕的多以運向佳木斯途中，那里是集中之所。 ──佳木斯之為共軍的後方，兵源的重鎮，造成日後松北
襲進的大規模攻勢，卒使戰局急轉而下。”
這些大部來自甦方的檔案資料。
金日成的说法本来就是朝鲜援助中国革命的。中国革命胜利了他们自然是回祖国继续参加朝鲜统一战争。
里采访一个国军老兵，讲到李红光支队也就是朝鲜人的武装战斗力比中共强多了。
看来还是T34-85给力。这大穿插不就是德苏的坦克铁钳翻版吗？
给红军的，红军送给四野的。
就是苏军天下，媒体控制小菜一碟
满，等于后方到前线，很容易理解。况且还有大连苏军一直在，随时可以提供支援。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 事实上，东北决战中，中共的坦克、重炮决定了战争的胜败，东北野战军的军火来自苏
: 援。二十年前，斯大林向“南北二赤”提供金钱军火规模巨大，足以推翻北洋政府。此
: 时，斯大林向中共提供金钱、军火的规模更大，足以推翻国民政府。了解这些史实就会
: 清楚，新中国的缔造者不是毛泽东，不是中共而是斯大林。是他缔造了东北野战军和东
: 北根据地，是他缔造了中共四个野战军，东北国共之战并非内战，而是与当年北伐战争
: 一样，是苏俄推翻中国政府的战争。
但是
蠢貨就是拿著重武器也沒用，這就是林彪粟裕和你的區別
【 在 arayashiki (alaya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 這種論調也真是無聊透頂，沒有重武器美帝能打贏任何一場戰爭嗎？戰爭最重要的是人
: ，但是人也不能拿燒火棍去打仗。
: 但是
: 蠢貨就是拿著重武器也沒用，這就是林彪粟裕和你的區別
http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/vasilevsky/28.html
В результате разгрома Японии создались б
лагоприятные условия для победы народных революций в Китае, Северной Корее и во Вь
етнаме. Мао Цзэ-дун, когда-то считавшийся
с исторической правдой, писал в августе
1945 года: ?Красная Армия пришла помочь китайскому народу изгнать агрессоров. Такого примера еще не было в истории Китая. Влияние этого события неоценимо?. Народно-осво
бодительная армия получила огромные запасы трофейного оружия. Только два наших фр
онта захватили у бывшей Квантунской арми
и и передали представителям НОА 3,7 тыс. ор
удий, минометов, гранатометов, 600 танков,
861 самолет, около 1,2 тыс. пулеметов, почти
680 различных воинских складов, а также корабли Сунгарийской военной речной флотилии. Позднее была передана значительная часть советского оружия. Советское командов
ание позаботилось, чтобы все оружие было
в порядке и пригодно для боевого применения. Помню, мне докладывали, что представители Китайской народно-освободительной армии высказывали чувства признательности и благодарности Советскому Союзу, его Вооруженным Силам, создавшим важные предпос
ылки для победы китайской революции. Трофейное и наше, отечественное, оружие и боевая техника помогли перевооружить Народно-освободительную армию и технически осна
стить ее новые части и соединения, ставши
е потом костяком и ударной силой революционного Китая. Не подлежит сомнению, что без решающей помощи Советского Союза китай
ский народ не смог бы так быстро сбросить ярмо японских милитаристов и добиться ос
вобождения своей страны.
【 在 Nietzsche (上帝死了) 的大作中提到: 】
: sb，他们用的重武器都是美国的
【 在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到: 】
: 提供的重武器主要是炮。
【 在 catveg (给它伟哥，把它鸡割) 的大作中提到: 】
: 蒋匪拿的是小米步枪？
: [在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到：]
: :林彪粟裕其实都没啥。他们的战绩都是45-49时候的，其实都是苏联提供的重武器的作
: :用。
【 在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这些没有多少，并不对战局有决定性影响。
【 在 catveg (给它伟哥，把它鸡割) 的大作中提到: 】
: 说美军在韩战时手无寸铁，是讽刺他们投降得快？你美爹插死你妈个傻逼。
: [在 PoloAlto (高宝宝) 的大作中提到：]
: :共军就是只能对手无寸铁民众开枪的一堆狗屎。
【 在 greendot (清风抚山岗) 的大作中提到: 】
: 蒋介石的受曾国藩影响很深，包括曾的战术思想
: 曾国藩喜欢结硬寨，打呆仗，不投机取巧
: 这种战术在没有重火力的晚清时代是合理的
: 内战的时候已经有重火力了，刻舟求剑的结硬寨打呆仗无法抵挡住共军
【 在 sgrastar (Theodore) 的大作中提到: 】
: 所以当今土工鸟枪换炮，美帝日本都是菜。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 斯大林武装中共
: 在重庆谈判期间，毛泽东、周恩来和王若飞多次前往苏联使馆，申请获得苏联方面军火
: 扶持以对国民政府开战。正在逼迫国民党政府“战利品合营东北”的斯大林指示苏联驻
: 华大使彼得罗夫与中共保持距离，不表态支持中共开战。蒋介石拒绝访苏邀请和“战利
: 品合营东北”建议后，斯大林决定：苏军从中国东北撤军以避免与美国的正面冲突，扶
: 持中共武力推翻国民党政府。1946年2月28日，苏联开始从东北撤军，同时背弃《中苏
: 友好同盟条约》，将东北城市交中共东北局接收，授意中共“放手大打”。有了苏军支
: 持内战的表态，毛泽东病愈复出，指示东北局“坚决彻底歼灭国民党进攻军队，愈多愈
: 好，不惜重大伤亡”，[28] 致电军调处代表周恩来拒绝国民党任何接收东北大城市的
: 要求。苏军的通知让中共高层们感到毛泽东在半个月前坚持开战主张的英明。刘少奇赶
: ...................
还有倭寇战犯对国民党的“支持”。。。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 斯大林武装中共
: 在重庆谈判期间，毛泽东、周恩来和王若飞多次前往苏联使馆，申请获得苏联方面军火
: 扶持以对国民政府开战。正在逼迫国民党政府“战利品合营东北”的斯大林指示苏联驻
: 华大使彼得罗夫与中共保持距离，不表态支持中共开战。蒋介石拒绝访苏邀请和“战利
: 品合营东北”建议后，斯大林决定：苏军从中国东北撤军以避免与美国的正面冲突，扶
: 持中共武力推翻国民党政府。1946年2月28日，苏联开始从东北撤军，同时背弃《中苏
: 友好同盟条约》，将东北城市交中共东北局接收，授意中共“放手大打”。有了苏军支
: 持内战的表态，毛泽东病愈复出，指示东北局“坚决彻底歼灭国民党进攻军队，愈多愈
: 好，不惜重大伤亡”，[28] 致电军调处代表周恩来拒绝国民党任何接收东北大城市的
: 要求。苏军的通知让中共高层们感到毛泽东在半个月前坚持开战主张的英明。刘少奇赶
: ...................
【 在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到: 】
: 800飞机600坦克叫没多少？关东军的一家一当都在里面了。莫非你认为炮党有实力和关
: 东军一战？
: 這些大部來自甦方的檔案資料。
這些大部來自甦方的檔案資料。
這些大部來自甦方的檔案資料。
這些大部來自甦方的檔案資料。
這些大部來自甦方的檔案資料。
這些大部來自甦方的檔案資料。
甦方
甦方
甦方
甦方
甦方
哈哈哈~
【在whoami2012（nosce te ipsum or temet nosce）的大作中提到：】
：斯大林武装中共
：在重庆谈判期间，毛泽东、周恩来和王若飞多次前往苏联使馆，申请获得苏联方面军火扶持以对国民政府开战。正在逼迫国民党政府“战利品合营东北”的斯大林指示苏联驻华大使彼得罗夫与中共保持距离，不表态支持中共开战。蒋介石拒绝访苏邀请和“战利品合营东北”建议后，斯大林决定：苏军从中国东北撤军以避免与美国的正面冲突，扶持中共武力推翻国民党政府。1946年2月28日，苏联开始从东北撤军，同时背弃《中苏
：友好同盟条约》，将东北城市交中共东北局接收，授意中共“放手大打”。有了苏军支持内战的表态，毛泽东病愈复出，指示东北局“坚决彻底歼灭国民党进攻军队，愈多愈好，不惜重大伤亡”，[28] 致电军调处代表周恩来拒绝国民党任何接收东北大城市的要求。苏军的通知让中共高层们感到毛泽东在半个月前坚持开战主张的英明。刘少奇赶紧承认提出“和平民主新阶段”主张是犯了错误。其实，毛、刘主张都不重要。中国和平或战争取决于斯大林决定。若蒋介石接受“战利品合营”建议，则斯大林将命令毛泽东停止内战，苏军将再次驱赶中共军队，刘少奇就对了。
：3月初，国民党第六届中央执行委员召开了第二次全会。外交部长王世杰向大会报告了
：关于苏联以不撤军相压迫的情况。与会者群情激愤，要求立即宣布废止《中苏友好同盟协定》，罢免经手交涉的王世杰。张继、邹鲁、谷正纲、潘公展等人提出必须坚持要求中共放弃割据政权，放弃武力夺取政权的宗旨，抨击国民党政协代表让步过多。全会后，外交部根据会议要求照会苏联大使，要求了解苏军从东北撤军的情况。紧接着，国民政府召集第四届国民参政会开会。中共以国民党控制国民参政会为由，拒绝派代表出席。参政会议通过决议案，呼吁中共切实依照协议，停止内战。同时，社会各界也呼吁国共双方和平谈判，避免国家在长期抗战后再开内战，胡适、傅作义代表各界致电毛泽东呼吁放弃武力，参加政府。中共的外围组织民盟提出倾向中共的妥协方案为：中共军队退出长春，国民政府只派行政人员和平接收，不派军队进入，国共重开政治谈判，依据政协决议和整军方案解决东北问题。
：两会议期间，中共的《新华日报》、《解放日报》连日抨击国民党二中全会，谓“反动顽固派的猖獗行动必须立时制止”，莫斯科的广播也猛烈抨击国民党二中全会，称重庆反动分子气焰嚣张，反对《中苏友好条约》，破坏政治协商的各项决议，推动反苏运动。国民参政会和社会各界不知道，甚至国民党的中央委员们也不知道，斯大林正在采取下列举措扶植中共向国民政府开战。
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：军火扶持
：1946年3月，苏军从东北各大城市撤军，将城市交中共立即占领，将缴获的关东军精良
：装备交给中共。时任八路军第十六军分区司令员曾克林回忆道：“打开仓库，拉了三天三夜。”曾司令员见到的只是苏联提供军火的一部分。二战结束时，斯大林手上有巨量剩余军火，包括苏制军火、捷克斯洛伐克制军火、缴获东北关东军和驻朝鲜日军的军火、根据租借法案从美国获得的军火。他将剩余军火卖给中共，其中包括重型武器、美制耐寒军械，上百万支步枪、机关枪，数千门大炮、迫击炮和掷弹筒，数百辆坦克，近千架飞机，数千辆机动车，数百万发炮弹，数千万发子弹，数十万个手榴弹，数百吨炸药、数百万只雷管、百万米导火线，此外还交给中共数百座军用仓库及一支松花江舰队。[29] 赫鲁晓夫后在回忆录中披露：“战败的日本兵放下武器，我们将他们的武器转交给了中共。我们避免暴露直接将日军武器转交给共军，办法是将武器集中存放在某地，让中共去取。”[30] 有了苏军提供的重型武器，中共军威大震。苏军撤出长春后，中共军队开始使用坦克、大炮等重型武器向城内国民党军进攻，几天就击败国军占领了长春。
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【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 当时苏联提供的有二战美援，捷克，德国，日本关东军大量集团军级别的重武器，苏制
: 因为怕美国参战，只在东北使用，没带入关内。老毛大笔一挥，都是缴获国军的。
: 想想看，老彭在朝鲜3年，怎么没有缴获一辆T26潘兴，怎么没有组建T26潘兴坦克师，
: 怎么没有组建F86战机团？！
【 在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你说的是拿着几百米格还有毛爹亲自上阵搞不定美帝两个联队F-86的废柴土狗？
当年不但有十几万朝鲜部队加入了林彪的部队，而且还有大批日本关东军被改编成东北野战军，根据当时日军官员回忆录：八路在60万关东军中搞了个百分比，要求日本人用留下小部份人的代价换取大部份人的遣返。日本人在同胞之间是重视责任感，他们误认为留下必死，因此很多团队中的精英分子和骨干便要求留下，换取大部份袍泽的平安归国。1948年9月28日，日本外务省调查局局长加藤松平召开了记者招待会，向外界
公布：日本前关东军官兵及其家属，一共有14万人或被迫留在东北中共军中服役，或滞留在中共控制区内生活；加藤局长肯定地认为，据他们周密调查，起码有6万名日本军
人直接为中共军于前线工作，有教授士兵开炮打枪的，有教授飞行技术的，有跟随部队做出战术指导的，也有驾驶坦克和国军直接交战的。以上记录见诸于1948年9月29日的
《纽约时报》。
不过这只是一部份，被苏军俘虏关押在苏联境内的日本关东军还有近五十万部队，当林彪部队最危急的时候，已经被国军撵的快逃进苏联国境，苏联在联合国和美国一起通过一项决议，让国民党部队立即停战，国共双方搞谈判（苏联的意思也就是不允许国民党在自己的家门口胡搞）。谈判当然只是苏联一时的缓兵之计，等国军发现上当了再次发起进攻，发觉打不动了，林彪的部队好像个个吃了蚁力神，大力丸之类的仙药，战斗力不但大增，武器也焕然一新。战斗力增强主要是苏联把关集中营里劳动的日本关东军改编了二十万加入林彪的野战军，并威胁这些日本朋友如果在战场上逃跑，就把剩下的四十万皇军集体死啦死啦地干活！武器用的全是苏联红军的装备，只有军装是共军的，于是国军悲剧，共军反攻。东北野战军中究竟有多少改编的日军，现在要搞清楚可能已经非常困难，毕竟已经过去了快七十年。不过在日本有个四野战友联谊会，这个联谊会每年都在搞活动，一大帮当年在中国战斗过的日本皇军聚在一起回忆当年在中国那段激情燃烧的岁月，打国军打的太爽了，皇军当年没做到居然跟着街坊军做到了。
有个四野联谊会的日本军官兵头义清说：第四野战军里，曾经有差不多十多万日本人.四野一般一个连编有一个日军步兵班,这些日军训练有素,提高了四野的整体战斗力.为解放全中国的胜利做出了贡献、、、、、、当听说北京有个38军战友会时，兵头义清透露日本也有个38军战友会，大概一万多人，仅东京地区就有几百人。
在东北，中共的技术兵种几乎都是外国人，因为培训起来需要时间，而从山东带过来的十万土八路几乎都是文盲，给他们扫盲都需要大量时间，不要说让他们去开飞机驾驶坦克，操作野战火炮。刚好日本关东军的素质就相当高，于是改编了一大批，其中还有几万中共最早的铁道兵。但消灭东北国军的主力，还有大批苏联红军的参与。
在东北，几十万国军主力的覆灭，苏军出了大力。辽沈战役，作战计划早在半年前在莫斯科就制定了出来，6月，以科瓦廖夫为首的二十一人苏联专家小组启程到达中国
东北。表面看廖是铁路运输部门负责人，实际上他是苏联任命的东北最高军政长官，也是辽沈战役的战场总指挥，受命指挥所有中苏部队。
这时战场上的形势已经逆转，从装备上、人员数量上共军辽沈战役准备阶段，更悲剧的是，苏联把美国通过租借法案支持苏联130亿美圆武器中的40亿美圆的重型武器，
全部装备了四野，于是出现了一个奇怪的现象，国军因为美国武器禁运政策导致所用的美式武器缺乏弹药，不得不拿起库存的日本三八大盖，推出了日军的山炮搞防守，而四野清一色美式装备——美国坦克、装甲车、美国榴弹炮，美国四轮卡车。而且为了方便指挥全军，苏联顾问配置到四野营一级单位，所有顾问直接听命科瓦廖夫的苏联作战指挥部，这些人都是久历苏德战争的苏联军官。都远远优于国军。
来看一组数据，从二战开始的1938年到1949年,美国各种类型援助总和30亿美元。
而其中对华武器援助只有8亿美圆，而且这些武器装备大部份都用于二战中对日战场。
1946年6月26日，中国内战爆发。1946年底，美国政府在马歇尔停战建议下对华实施军
火禁运，直到1948年11月才解除武器军火禁运，而解除武器禁运后，首批少量武器运抵中国港口已经是半年过后的事情，也就是1949年6月，而中国人民解放军渡江战役在
1949年6月2日结束。
看完悲惨的国军，来看看共军方面：在1937年至1940年期间，莫斯科通过外蒙和新疆为中共秘密运送了数万支枪械。苏联红军于1945、1947年又两次将日本关东军的70万支枪械（其中20万支来自驻朝日军）交给了中共。据原抗联领导人彭施鲁回忆，苏联还曾将在欧洲缴获的部份德造武器和捷克造武器交给中共。这些来自欧洲的枪械是通过北朝鲜运进东北，最繁忙时，东北车站里德制军火堆积如山，往往一车卸完另一车又接着进站。从1942年至1949年，美国通过大规模美援、为国民党一共才武装了45个步兵师；但从1945到1948年之间，中共依靠苏援枪械却组建了210个步兵师。
不过斯大林还是不放心基本是文盲组成的林彪东北野战军的战斗力，命令苏联红军直接参战。辽沈战役是苏联将领亲自指挥，以苏联军队为主体的加中共军队的混合军队完成的战争。胜利的基本原因，就是苏联的精锐的步兵、空军、装甲、炮兵，甚至海军的全面参战，导致国民党被完全击败。例如锦州之战完全由苏军独立完成，四野的部队不过是战斗结束后帮忙打扫了一下战场。
以后苏军又混编进四野，一路打进关去，被俘的国军天津警备司令陈长捷的贴身卫士在牢中交待说他在被押到城墙上的一路，从共军攻城的尸体中惊讶地看到技术兵种中有很多穿着共军军服的黄头发的苏联阵亡士兵。14万日军，10万朝鲜军，10余万关内干部，30万伪满军。好一只日俄联军哦。
四平之后的20万日军出处在哪里？
以后苏军又混编进四野，一路打进关去，被俘的国军天津警备司令陈长捷的贴身卫士在牢中交待说他在被押到城墙上的一路，从共军攻城的尸体中惊讶地看到技术兵种中有很多穿着共军军服的黄头发的苏联阵亡士兵。
而中共在三大战役中还是大规模使用红军的那套打法，也就是人海战术。如果没有苏军、日军、朝军的强大支援，没有他们驾驶的坦克、飞机、大炮、火车、卡车助阵，要搞定几百万国军做梦去吧。
来瞧瞧国军回忆，国军陆军副总司令范汉杰徐州办事处处长姚立夫记述：“当碾庄战幕即启，一时炮声震天，爆炸声此起彼伏，黄伯韬7万余众被迫于共军的人海战术之
下。当炮声隆隆过后，照例是震人心弦的冲锋号声，潮水般的人海，一股一股地涌向我军所扼守的各据点，在黑夜冲杀中，照明弹不停地大放光芒，照映着穿着灰色土布棉军服、胸前挂满手榴弹、拚命前冲的士兵们。国军据守在碉堡内，一待人潮涌近，便集中火力扫射，眼看着一排排的战士倒了下去，又一排排地冲了上来。这种前仆后继的人海，任凭你火力如何充足，火网如何密集，也有着死不完的人来和你的枪弹相拼。
但奇怪的是，在那些阵亡的共军尸体上，却很少见到有肩负皮囊、手持短枪或冲锋枪的，甚至连步枪也见不到一支，似乎都是徒手。当这些勇士们冲进国军的碉堡，雨点般的手榴弹便纷纷投进碉堡，那一簇簇的火花，映着地面上激起的黄土，真乃血肉与炮弹齐飞，泥沙共烟雾一色，在青白色的照明弹的余辉下，构成一幅悲壮的战地图画。有一些碉堡内的国军面临一个极大的困难，即阵亡的共军尸体渐渐地竟成为一座尸墙，遮断了碉堡内国军的视线，以致正面火力无法发挥效能、、、、、、。
共军知道人海战术奏效，此时精锐部队，倾巢而出，在步炮配合下，发起总攻。一时炮火震天，杀声遍野。国军士兵则以尸墙作掩护，无奈敌不过四面八方汹涌冲过来的人潮。也有很多机枪射手们从未见过如此的场面，杀人而杀得令自己害怕和恶心，经过了一次次冲杀，很多机枪射手都换成了军官，因为颇多的士兵受不了这样的精神压迫。"
这种人海战术是以付出大批生命为代价的，东北1946年光复时统计有5千7百万人口，而到了1949年毛登上天安门，人口下降到了3千5百万，这两千万人口哪里去了，莫非都移民俄国了！可以说三大战役都是苏联人策划、指挥的，斯大林可以被称为中国解放之父，而不是土鳖毛。毛1948年还在梦中，说要打垮国民党起码还要五年，没多久改口说看起来用一年就可实现，原因就是街坊军在苏联专家的指挥下，又有日、朝、苏军的加入，一路势如破竹。
黄宗智是中国近代史专家，黄仁宇是明史专家，两人都是美籍华人。
黄仁宇的《黄河青山》，书中说了他在1946年5月四平街战役后参加接收东北时
的一段见闻，：“我们抵达前线时，刚好是战役结束后没几天，看到铁轨旁和田野里散布着无数的尸体。一位新一军总部的参谋对我形容何谓‘人海战术’。他说：‘他们会在前线摆出一千人，但空间只有几百码宽，通常只能容下一个连。你会想：这些人不傻，他们只是疯了!但让我问你：你可以砍杀多少人呢?四百、五百或甚至六百?你把这些
人打成碎片，可是这些人的后面还有数百人在那里。相信我，他们绝对可以收拾你和你的机关枪!’”还有台湾作家王鼎钧在其回忆录《关山夺路》中也提到说：“黄泛区会
战的时候，共军用‘人海战术’进攻，死伤太多，国军打到手软，射手把机枪往地上一丢：‘老子不打了!’连长掏出手枪，指着射手的太阳穴，射手扑通跪下：‘连长你枪
毙我吧!’射手哭了，连长也哭了。”二人所述言外之意无非是中共打仗时不顾士兵死
活，不拿生命当回事，胜之不武。
其实，有关中共部队“人海战术”和“肉弹主义”的说法并不新鲜，解放战争期间一些国军俘虏早就当面向中共部队指出了这个问题。比如陈毅在1947年12月30日的讲话中提到：“我们俘虏的国军士兵，现在有的已当上了排、连长。他们有一个普遍的呼声，要求我们改善指挥。说：‘你们的指挥是“肉弹主义”，采用集团冲锋，英勇固然好，就是要多死人。’”在东北战场，被俘的国军新一军士兵也曾当面说：“你们八路是死拼命，死的太多了，我们实在不忍心再打下去了，才放下武器的。”
何家骅回忆，胡琏就曾向他提到过这种说法：“有一次，胡将军叹口气说：‘当年
我在沂蒙山区与共军作战，亲眼看见他们驱使老百姓带两手榴弹来冲锋;我守军用机枪
扫射，眼见死的都是老百姓，自然不忍打下去，这时共军正规军就上来了。’我说：‘这叫人海战术。’胡将军点头说：‘我知道人海战术，但我们能用吗?我们宁可认输。
’”
类似的说法龙应台在其《大江大海一九四九》也有提到：“林精武看见对面海浪般
一波又一波的人，一直涌上来，正对着发烫的炮口。前面的几波人，其实都是‘民工’，国军用机关枪扫射，射到手发软;明知是老百姓，心中实在不忍，有时候就干脆闭起
眼睛来硬打，不能不打，因为‘你不杀他，他就要杀你’。机关枪暂停时，探头一看，一条壕沟里就横着好几百具尸体。……民工就一波一波地冲向枪口，达达声中尸体逐渐填满了河，后面的解放军就踩着尸体过河。”
还有胡志伟说：“同我邻铺的连鬓胡张履信，是阎锡山亲训炮兵营营长，他回忆太
原陷落那天说：‘共军用老弱妇孺打头阵搞人海战术，国军不忍对老百姓开火，后边的共军就乘势掩袭，我们的阵地往往就是在犹豫中丢失的。’”
此外，在国军的回忆中，东北战场、华东战场、中原战场以及西北战场都出现过类
似的情况，辛灏年爆出在孟良崮战役中消灭张灵甫74师时，中共部队也让地主、富农、反革命家的老人孩子以及赤裸的女儿媳妇打冲锋，并以此瓦解了国军的意志。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 了解一下朝鲜人民军成军历史，也许可以管窥到至今仍然神秘的这只军队的一斑。先说
: 说朝鲜人民军的那些人，是如何从地底下冒出来的。
【 在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到: 】
: 瞎扯，1950年解放军全军也没有800飞机600坦克。搞夸大宣传只会损害自己的信誉。
特别是当年淮海战役中威震敌胆的“飞雷”，也在影片中亮相。这种由中野工兵改装汽油桶而成的炸药抛射器，被敌人称为“没良心炮”，在围歼黄维兵团的战斗中发挥了很大作用。
果然是“口径即是正义
不过，对于善于吐槽的当今影迷来说，找到那些穿帮的武器也是一种快乐。
《大决战》中最值得吐槽的，就是影片中的炮兵。中小口径的火炮其实没什么，问题就在大口径火炮上。
例如辽沈战役中，东野炮兵纵队装备的是大口径的美式、日式火炮，而在《大决战》中，参演的部队是直接将54式122毫米榴弹炮拉上阵地，甚至装上真炮弹进行射击。
54式122毫米榴弹炮是新中国成立初期，我国仿制前苏联122毫米榴弹炮而研发出来的。在影片中，54式实际上“冒充”的是美式M2型105毫米榴弹炮，由于这种火炮道具很难
找，索性就找来在外形上较为相似的54式来顶替。
《辽沈战役》中的炮兵阵地，在1948年10月14日上午10时，东野集中了近千门火炮，对锦州古城的敌军工事进行猛烈轰击。剧中则大量由54式榴弹炮承担这一任务。
另一个可以吐槽的是坦克，《大决战》中，辽沈战役部分出现了美国和日本造的坦克，分别为M4和97式坦克，还有装甲车。
淮海战役部分，当家“主演”是M4坦克，但是这些M4的负重轮又暴露了他们的真实身份。不仅如此，在一些行军和战斗场景中，59式主战坦克也打了份短工。
而到平津战役部分，天津战役打响时，带领步兵开进的97式坦克身旁，出现了那熟悉的T-34型坦克。
当然了，由于年代较为久远，坦克这种大型装备确实很难弄，从现役部队或封存装备中来出来演比较划算一些。这种情况在老电影中比较常见，前苏联系列电影《解放》也曾经出现过这种情况，美国拍摄的《巴顿将军》就更是如此了。
这里强调一下，美制M4坦克在解放战争中是极为罕见的，在极少数的资料中显示，有M4坦克出现在了中原战场上。而当时双方军队装备最多的美制坦克，为M3轻型坦克（这里可以参照1952年的《南征北战》）。而我军缴获的M4，更多的是在朝鲜战场上缴获的。
尼玛新1军新6军的M4都被老美扣下了留在印度，中原战场上的M4坦克是谁家的！！！
是假戏真做还是历史还原！
受阅部队共24209人，受阅武器为各种火炮88门，坦克、自行火炮80辆，汽车178辆、军马2899匹、飞机28架。阅兵分列式以空军学校和海军学校的学员为先导，依次为步兵、炮兵、战车摩托化步兵和骑兵部队，空军空中梯队的各种战机在步兵进入天安门广场时临空，形成了立体阅兵的场面。
本次阅兵与开国大典中参与的装备基本变化不大。参见：建国阅兵兵器历－1949年大阅兵
主要看点：
骑兵方队
中国人民解放军骑兵部队通过天安门广场。
在这一年的阅兵式上，1900多匹战马组成的骑兵大队是一大看点。
九七式坦克（功臣号）
中国人民解放军“功臣号”坦克行进在长安街上接受检阅。“功臣号”坦克又称102号
坦克，是我军1945年从日军手中缴获的首辆坦克。1948年，我军攻打锦州时步兵受阻。102号坦克冒着敌人的密集炮火，孤车作战，连续5次投入战斗，摧毁敌一批火力点，为步兵开辟了通路，立下不朽战功。此后，102号车被命名为“功臣号”坦克。开国大典
时，“功臣号”曾作为领队坦克，首车通过天安门广场。
功臣号与高克
97式坦克方队
SU-76自行火炮
摩托化部队
中国人民解放军摩托化部队通过天安门广场。
日制75毫米88式高炮
用于野战防空，要地防空，是日本陆军战争期间主力75mm高射炮，服役时是当时世界性能最好的75mm高射炮之一，但战争爆发时防空性能已显落后，对付高速飞机很吃力，也无法有效攻击高空轰炸机。
综合评价本次阅兵，规模较1949年有了一定扩大，参阅部队已经趋向摩托化军队方向发展，整体装备水平约等于同期欧美国家一战后期水平。
【 在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到: 】
: 800飞机600坦克
【 在 sundevil072 (sundevil) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你上下两片嘴给了土鳖800飞机600坦克，麻痹土鳖当时有几个会开飞机的，关东军留下
: 的坦克有多少能用的，你要不要去交虎肉和李将军重新出来。
【 在 sundevil072 (sundevil) 的大作中提到: 】
: 当年虎肉和李将军关于国共武器对比都撕逼科普多少轮了，现在拿这个忽悠新来的？
[在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到：]
:蒋匪炮弹不能自给。又被灯塔禁用。从某种程度上来说倒算的上腊肉嘴里的小米步枪
。
[在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到：]
:说美帝在朝鲜对共匪装备上不存在巨大优势一点没毛病
不相上下。
但美军航空兵拥有人员素质和情报指挥上的优势。所以空战结果基本一面倒。联军自始至终控制了朝鲜的天空。
【 在 arayashiki (alaya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 两个联队F-86？美帝就這麽點家當？你美爹都不好意思這麽丟人吧
[在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到：]
:美军在朝鲜战场上的F86的确就没多少。共产党空军的米格15占有数量优势，质量上也:不相上下。
:但美军航空兵拥有人员素质和情报指挥上的优势。所以空战结果基本一面倒。
【在 whoami2012(nosce te ipsum or temet nosce)的大作中提到：】
：尼玛虎肉也被你当成权威了，当初被我老说的哑口无言，逃之夭夭的主儿。
：【 在 sundevil072 (sundevil) 的大作中提到: 】
F86没多少早就没有空优了，而这是美帝打仗最注重的地方
【 在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美军在朝鲜战场上的F86的确就没多少。共产党空军的米格15占有数量优势，质量上也
: 不相上下。
: 但美军航空兵拥有人员素质和情报指挥上的优势。所以空战结果基本一面倒。联军自始
: 至终控制了朝鲜的天空。
Last revised October 30, 1999
On June 25, 1950, the forces of North Korea invaded the South. The South
Korean army was poorly organized and badly led, and the initial North Korean advance was quite rapid. The United Nations Security Council immediately
met in emergency session and ordered the North Koreans to cease their
invasion and withdraw from the South, but these demands were ignored. On
June 27, President Harry Truman authorized American forces to oppose the
invasion, and General MacArthur ordered the Far East Air Force (FEAF) into
immediate action against the attackers.
At that time, the combat units of the FEAF were equipped with the Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star fighter, the North American F-82 Twin Mustang all weather escort fighter, the Douglas B-26 Invader light attack bomber, the Lockheed
RF-80A tactical reconnaissance aircraft, and the Boeing B-29 Superfortress
heavy bomber. These were later supplemented by North American F-51 Mustang
fighters transferred in great haste from the USA.
These US aircraft rapidly gained control of the air from the Korean People's Armed Forces Air Corps (KPAFAC), which was equipped with an assortment of
Russian-built equipment such as the Yakovlev Yak-9 and Lavochkin La-ll
fighters, the Ilyushin Il-10 ground attack aircraft and a smattering of Yak-18 and Po-2 trainers. Having largely eliminated the KPAFAC, the FEAF now
turned to the task of ground attack in trying to halt the rapid North Korean advance.
Despite repeated air attacks by UN aircraft on the advancing North Korean
troops, by early September the UN armies had been squeezed down into a small area south of the Naktong River, and there was a very real fear that the
hard-pressed UN troops might be forced to evacuate the entire Korean
peninsula.
General MacArthur's invasion of Inchon on September 15, 1950 suddenly
reversed the fortunes of the UN forces in Korea, and by the end of the month North Korean forces had been driven entirely out of South Korea. At that
time, the UN decided to enforce its prewar intention of reuniting all of
Korea under one government, and UN forces advanced across the 38th Parallel and headed north, in spite of stern warnings from China of possible
intervention if UN troops approached their border.
By the end of October, UN forces were up near the Chinese frontier and some forward units were actually on the southern banks of the Yalu River. On
November 1, 1950, a group of F-51s and B-26s were beating up an airfield
near Sinuiju (just across the Yalu from China) when they encountered six
swept-wing jets coming across the Yalu at them, firing as they approached.
The Mustangs were able to escape the attack and return to base to report
that the MiG-15 had appeared in Korea.
The Russian-built MiG-15 was a product of the Mikoyan/Gurevich design bureau, and was originally designed as a high-altitude interceptor to counter the US B-29 and B-36 long-range bombers. The prototype, designated I-310, made
its first flight on December 30, 1947 powered by an imported Rolls-Royce
Nene-1 centrifugal flow turbojet. The Nene turbojet was placed into
production in the Soviet Union as the RD-45. The first production MiG-15s
reached operational units in early 1949. The RD-45 engine was not very
reliable and had excessively high fuel consumption. In later production
batches, this engine was replaced by the Klimov VK-1, which was an improved version of the RD-45 offering 5957 lb.st. Versions of the MiG-15 powered by the VK-1 became known as MiG-15bis. These entered operational service in
early 1950, and eventually became the most widely produced MiG version.
Armament consisted of one NS-37 or N-37 37-mm cannon with 40 rounds and two NS-23 23-mm machine guns with 80 rpg.
It is now known that these MiGs were not actually flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots but by experienced Russians, many with considerable World War 2 experience. In February of 1950, the 29th Fighter Aviation Regiment had
been transferred from Moscow to China. It was later joined by the 151st
Fighter Aviation Division to form the 64th Fighter Aviation Corps. The unit was committed to combat in November of 1950. The pilots wore Chinese
uniforms and were not allowed to speak Russian over their radios. This
deception continued until the summer of 1951, after which Chinese and North Korean pilots began to participate.
In these early encounters, MiG pilots would cross the border at high
altitude, dive down and attack American aircraft, then duck back over the
Yalu. For political reasons, US aircraft were forbidden to pursue.
On November 8, history's first jet-vs-jet battle took place when Lieut.
Russell J. Brown flying a F-80C shot down a single MiG-15 out of a flight of four which had dashed across the Yalu. Even though the F-80C drew first
blood, the MiG was a hundred miles per hour faster than the Shooting Star
and there was no doubt in anyone's mind that the MiG-15 was a deadly threat and could soon wrest control of the air from the UN forces unless checked.
Chinese-based MiGs soon began to attack B-29 bombers flying near the Chinese border, and the F-80s were too slow to provide any effective protection.
Even though the initial skirmishes with the MiGs had demonstrated that their pilots lacked experience and an aggressive approach, the MiG threat was
very real and threw the USAF into a near panic. The USAF had nothing in
Korea that could provide an effective counter if the MiG-15s were to
intervene in large numbers.
In order to counter the MiG threat, on November 8 the 4th Fighter
Interceptor Wing (which consisted of the 334th 335th, and 336th Squadrons)
based at Wilmington, Delaware and equipped with the F-86A Sabre was ordered to Korea. Most of their pilots were seasoned veterans of World War 2 and
they had shot down over 1000 Germans during that conflict. Prior to flying
to the West Coast, the 4th FIG exchanged their older '48 model F-86As for
some of the best "low-time" F-86As taken from other Sabre units. The 334th
and 335th FIS flew to San Diego and their planes were loaded aboard a Navy
escort carrier. The 336th FIS went to San Francisco and was loaded aboard a tanker. Their F-86A aircraft arrived in Japan in mid-December. The aircraft were then unloaded and flown to Kimpo airfield in Korea.
However, before any of these Sabres could reach the front, on November 26,
1950, Chinese armies intervened with devastating force in Korea, breaking
through the UN lines and throwing them back in utter confusion. The MiGs did not provide any effective support for this invasion, being unable to
establish any effective intervention below a narrow strip up near the Yalu. The MiG pilots were relatively inexperienced and were poor marksmen. They
would seldom risk more than one pass at their targets before they would dart back across the Yalu. Had the MiGs been able to establish and hold air
superiority over the battle area, the UN forces may well have been thrown
entirely out of Korea.
The first advanced detachment of 336th FIS F-86As arrived at Kimpo airfield south of Seoul on December 15. The first Sabre mission took place on
December 17. It was an armed reconnaissance of the region just south of the Yalu. Lt. Col. Bruce H. Hinton, commander of the 336th Squadron, succeeding in shooting down one MiG-15 out of a flight of four, to score first blood
for the Sabre. The rest of the MiGs fled back across the Yalu. On December
19, Col. Hinton led another four-plane flight up to the Yalu, where his
flight met six MiGs who flew through his formation without firing a shot
before dashing back across the Yalu. On December 22, the MiGs managed to
shoot down a single Sabre out of a flight of eight without loss to
themselves, but later that day the Sabres got their revenge by destroying
six MiGs out a flight of 15. This loss spooked the MiG pilots, and they
avoided combat for the rest of the month.
During December, the 4th Wing had flown 234 sorties, clashed with the enemy 76 times, scored eight victories, and lost one aircraft.
By the end of 1950, Chinese armies had driven UN forces out of North Korea
and had begun to invade the South. The Sabres were forced to leave Kimpo and return to Japan which put them out of range of the action up at the Yalu.
Even though the Yalu was now out of range, on January 14, an F-86A
detachment appeared at Taegu to participate as fighter bombers to try to
halt the Chinese advance. The F-86A was not very successful in the fighter-
bomber role, being judged much less effective than slower types such as the F-80 and the F-84. When carrying underwing ordinance, the F-86A's range and endurance were much too low, and it could not carry a sufficiently large
offensive load to make it a really effective fighter bomber. In these
attacks, the underwing armament was usually limited to only a pair of 5-inch rockets.
Eventually, the Chinese advance ground to a halt due to extended supply
lines and the relentless UN air attacks. The Chinese advance was halted by
the end of January, and the UN forces began pushing them back. Kimpo
airfield was recovered on February 10. The halting of the Chinese advance
can be blamed largely on the inability of the MiGs to provide any effective support for the Chinese attack. Not only had no Chinese bombers appeared to attack UN troops, but no MiGs had flown south of the Yalu region to provide any air support.
The Chinese apparently did have plans for a major spring offensive to
complete the task of driving the UN out of Korea. This plan was to be based on the construction of a series of North Korean air bases and for Chinese
MiGs to use these bases as forward landing strips to provide air superiority over the North, preventing UN aircraft from interfering with the advance.
In early March, the MiGs began to become more active in support of this
offensive, On March 1, MiGs jumped a formation of nine B-29s and severely
damaged three of them. Fortunately, by this time the UN base at Suwon was
now ready, and the Sabres were now able to return to Korea and reenter the
fray over the Yalu. The Sabres of the 334th Squadron began their first Yalu patrols on March 6th, and the rest of the squadron moved in four days later. At the same time, the 336th Squadron moved to Taegu from Japan, so that
they could stage Sabres through Suwon. The 4th Wing's other squadron, the
335th, stayed in Japan until May 1.
The strip of airspace in western Korea just south of the Yalu soon became
known as "MiG Alley" to the Sabre pilots. The Sabres would arrive for their 25-minute patrols in five minute intervals. The MiGs would usually cruise
back and forth at high altitude on the other side of the Yalu, looking for
an opportune time to intervene. Very often they would remain on the north
side of the river, tantalizingly out of reach. When the MiGs did choose to
enter battle, the Sabres would usually have only a fleeting chance to fire
at the enemy before the MiGs broke off and escaped back across the Yalu. The MiGs had the advantage of being able to choose the time and place of the
battle. The MiG-15 had a better high-altitude performance than the F-86A.
The MiG had a higher combat ceiling, a higher climb rate, and was faster at higher altitudes than the F-86A. Its superior high-altitude performance
enabled the MiG to break off combat at will. Despite these handicaps, the F-86A pilots were far more experienced than their Chinese opponents and they
were better marksmen. The Sabre was a more stable gun platform and had fewer high-speed instabilities than did the MiG-15. In addition, the F-86A was
faster than the MiG-15 at lower altitudes, and an effective strategy was for the Sabre to force the battle down to lower altitudes where it had the
advantage.
In April of 1951, the MiGs got a little bolder, and they would often make
attempts to intercept B-29 formations that were attacking targets in the
Sinuiju area up near the Yalu. The biggest air battle of that spring took
place on April 12, when a formation of 39 B-29s escorted by F-84Es and F-
86As were attacked by over 70 MiGs. Three B-29s were lost, whereas 14 MiGs
were claimed destroyed, four by the escorting Sabres and ten by B-29 gunners.
On May 20, 1951, F-86A pilot Capain James Jabara became the world's first
jet ace when he shot down a pair of MiGs to bring his total to six.
No F-86As were lost in action during the first five months of 1951, and they flew 3550 sorties and scored 22 victories. Most of the attrition was caused by accidents rather than by losses in actual combat.
In June of 1951, the MiGs began to show more aggressive behavior, and their pilots began to get somewhat better. In air battles on June 17th, 18th, and 19th, six MiGs were destroyed but two Sabres were lost. Another Sabre was
lost on June 11 when the 4th Wing covering an F-80 attack on the Sinuiju
airfield shot down two more MiGs.
As the first year of the Korean War came to an end, it was apparent that the Sabre had been instrumental in frustrating the MiG-15's bid for air
superiority. Without control of the air, the Red Chinese were unable to
establish their series of air bases and they were not able to carry out
effective air support of their spring offensive, and the Korean War settled down to a stalemate on the ground.
The more-advanced F-86E began to enter action in Korea with the 4th Wing in July of 1951, replacing that unit's F-86As on a one-by-one basis. The
conversion to the F-86E was rather slow, and the last F-86A was not replaced until July of 1952.
In September of 1951, the MiG-15bis began to appear. It was powered by a
6000 lb.s.t. engine.
In order to meet a new threat of MiG action against B-29 bombers over Korea, on October 22, 1951 seventy-five F-86Es were ordered shipped to Japan to
replace the F-80Cs of the 51st Wing based at Suwon. The 51st Wing (
consisting of the 16th and 25 FIS) began operations with its new F-86Es from Suwon on December 1, with the famous World War 2 ace Col. Francis S.
Gabreski as wing commander. The first kill for the 51th FIS was scored by Lt. Paul Roach of the 25th FIS on December 2. Col. Gabreski had scored 31
kills over Europe in World War 2, and he added 6.5 victories to his score in Korea.
At any one time, only about 60 Sabres could be put into the air, assuming
that everything was "right", with the rest of the force remaining at Kimpo
or Suwon on alert or down for maintenance. Even when at maximum levels, the Sabre force was far outnumbered by the MiGs. By late 1951, there were enough MiGs available so that the Chinese forces attempted to move a couple of MiG squadrons into the base at Uiju, North Korea. UN air attacks soon made this base untenable, forcing the MiGs back across the Yalu.
A third squadron was added to the 51st FIG (the 39the FIS) in June of 1952. The number disparity still remained, with the MiGs outnumbering the Sabres
about 1000 to 150 during late 1952.
It is now known that there were Soviet fighter squadrons which participated in the air combat along the Yalu. They were rotated through the MiG bases on the northern side of the Yalu. Soviet Air Force MiGs operated from bases at Antung, Fengcheng, Tak Tung Kao, Takushan, Juantien, and others. At Mukden in Manchuria there were large numbers of MiGs waiting to replace those lost in battle or rotating home. Some Eastern Block units also participated. In
addition, Soviet Units carried out extensive training of Chinese and North
Korean pilots.
The rules of engagement initially laid down by UN order was that no UN
aircraft were allowed to violate the Manchurian border for any reason. The
Communist forces were well aware of this limitation and took full advantage of it. The MiGs would form up into attack position just across the Yalu,
usually at an altitude well above that at which the Sabres could operate.
The MiGs would dive on the UN aircraft, make their attack, then pop back
across the Yalu to safety.
In late 1951, the rules of engagement were modified, making it possible for UN pilots to cross the Yalu when in "hot pursuit" of an enemy. However,
there were lots of unofficial violations of this rule, and there were some
occassions in which bombing and strafing attacks were carried out by UN
aircraft on Communist facilities north of the Yalu, and F-86s did on
occasions went north of the Yalu looking for MiGs. There were even some MiG kills scored on the "wrong" side of the Yalu. The Manchurian sanctuary was
lifted in the second week of April of 1952.
The first F-86Fs reached Korea in June and July of 1952, and they were
issued to the 51st Wing's new 39th Squadron. F-86Fs were provided to the
335th Squadron of the 4th Wing in September of 1952. The arrival of the F-
86F quickly boosted Sabre victories in Korea. The 4th Wing's 335th Squadron scored a total of 81 victories during the remainder of 1952, while the other two 4th Wing squadrons (which were still operating F-86Es) got 41.
With a record like that, it now seemed that EVERYONE in Korea wanted an F-
86F, and so to prevent the morale of F-86E pilots from declining, a decision was made to have F-86Fs distributed more or less equally among all the
squadrons in the 4th Wing. To meet the increased demand, all the F-86Fs
still in the US were immediately shipped to Korea and exchanged for F-86Es
which were then returned home.
Fifty "6-3" wing conversion kits were shipped to Korea in high secrecy in
September of 1952 to convert F-86F aircraft already there to the new
configuration. Enough kits were eventually supplied to convert all Korean-
based F-86Fs and some F-86Es to this new configuration. The "6-3" wing was
an immediate success, quickly boosting Sabre victories in Korea. With the "6-3-wing" F-86F, the USAF now had a fighter which could match the maximum
speed of the MiG at altitudes all the way up to the Sabre's service ceiling of 47,000 feet, could turn inside the MiG, and which had almost as great a
rate of climb.
During late 1952, fully a fifth of Sabre victories over MiGs were obtained
without the pilots having to fire their guns. During the last four months of 1952, thirty-two MiGs were observed to go in to sudden uncontrollable spins while being chased by Sabres. Only two of their pilots managed to recover. The rest either ejected or else crashed with their planes. Even though no
guns were actually fired, the frightening of a MiG pilot into getting
himself into an unrecoverable spin nevertheless still counted as a "kill".
It seems that a large number of inexperienced MiG pilots were now entering
the fray.
However, during the first four months of 1953, MiG pilot performance seemed to get a little better, since more of their pilots were able to recover from these involuntary spins.
F-86Fs would often fly in teams with F-86Es, with the Fs flying at 40,000
feet and the Es at a lower level to handle any MiGs which managed to come
down to harass the fighter bombers.
It was with F-86F with the "6-3" wing that the Sabre was to rack up its
biggest score during the Korean War. Between May 8, 1953 and May 31, 1953, F-86Fs with 6-3 wings accounted for 56 MiG kills vs only one lost, one of the most one-sided air battles ever fought, not to be surpassed until the early 1980s when Israeli F-15s and F-16s scored an 80-0 victory over Syrian
aircraft over the Bekka Valley during the Lebanon incursion. On June 20,
1953 F-86F Sabres accounted for 16 victories, their biggest one-day score of the war.
The arrival of the "6-3" winged Sabre in Korea was soon to be followed by
the fighter-bomber Sabre. The first F-86F-30-NA fighter-bombers arrived in
Korea on January 28, 1953, and they equipped the 18th Fighter Bomber Wing
based at Osan. This Wing flew its first Yalu patrol on February 25, and
scored its first MiG kill on the same day. By the end of March, there were
enough F-86F-30s to equip the 12th Squadron and the attached 2nd Squadron of the South African Air Force. The SAAF 2nd Squadron flow 1427 Sabre sorties during the Korean War, and lost two enemy aircraft to ground fire. No. 2
Squadron returned their Sabres to the USAF after Korea, and purchased
Canadair-built versions to supplement the fighter force in South Africa.
The 8th Fighter Bomber Wing based at Suwon began trading in its F-80C
Shooting Stars for F-86F-30 Sabres in February of 1953, the conversion being finally completed at the end of April. The 8th Wing took their Sabres into action in a MiG Alley sweep on April 8, and on April 13 this Wing carried
out its first ground attack mission by hitting an enemy troop concentration.
By this time, the USAF had five jet fighter-bomber wings, three with F-84G
Thunderjets and two with F-86F-30s. The Thunderjets had a superior range,
but the fighter-bomber Sabre proved itself eminently suitable for bombing
work and, unlike the Thunderjet, was able to fend for itself in MiG-infested territory.
During June 1953, more Sabres were lost in ground attack missions than in
air-to-air combat. They delivered 3044 tons of bombs during that month,
fourteen being lost to enemy flak.
The Korean War finally ended on July 27, 1953, with a negotiated truce in
which the country remained divided into two. The last Sabre/MiG fight of the Korean War took place on July 22, 1953, when Lt. Sam P. Young of the 31st
Wing scored his first and only victory. The last kill of the Korean War took place on July 27, when Capt. Ralph S. Parr flying an F-86F-30 shot down an Il-12 twin-engined transport aircraft. At the end of the Korean War, the
seven American fighter Wings in Korea had 297 Sabres on hand, with 132 of
them being with fighter-bomber Wings.
The actual kill-to-loss ratio vis-à-vis the F-86 and the MiG-15 is still a matter of controversy. In an official Air Force publication issued shortly
after the end of the Korean War listed 808 MiGs shot down for the loss of 58 Sabres, for a 14:1 ratio. Other official lists issued by the Air Force come up with somewhat different numbers. The USAF Historical Study #81, USAF
Credits for the Destruction of Enemy Aircraft, Korean War, and the USAF
Statistical Digest of FY 1953, all list a total of 792 MiGs as having been
claimed by F-86s. A total of 78 Sabres were lost in air-to-air combat, with 19 additional Sabres being lost to ground fire, and 13 to unknown causes. So the overall superiority of the Sabre over the MiG was about ten to one.
Soviet archives that have only recently come to light officially list 345
Soviet-piloted MiG-15s having been lost to UN aircraft of all types during
the Korean conflict. There are no comparable figures available for Chinese
or North Korean losses. By the early spring of 1953, most of the Soviet
units had been withdrawn from combat, and most of the MiGs were now being
flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots. During April-July of 1953, Sabres
claimed 191 MiGs destroyed, most of them being flown by Chinese or North
Korean pilots. Soviet pilots from the era claimed a 2:1 kill ratio in their favor, but this claim must be treated with a considerable amount of
skepticism.
There were 39 Korean War American jet aces, all of which flew Sabres. 305 of the 810 aircraft shot down by the Sabres in Korea were destroyed by aces.
Capt. Joseph McConnell Jr. of the 16th Squadron, 51st Wing was the top ace
with 16 kills. Col. Francis Gabreski added 6 1/2 MiGs to his 31 German kills of World War II.
Interceptor Wing (which consisted of the 334th 335th, and 336th Squadrons)
based at Wilmington, Delaware and equipped with the F-86A Sabre was ordered
to Korea.
about 1000 to 150 during late 1952.
units had been withdrawn from combat, and most of the MiGs were now being
flown by Chinese or North Korean pilots. During April-July of 1953, Sabres
claimed 191 MiGs destroyed, most of them being flown by Chinese or North
Korean pilots.
seven American fighter Wings in Korea had 297 Sabres on hand, with 132 of
them being with fighter-bomber Wings.
an immediate success, quickly boosting Sabre victories in Korea. With the "6-3-wing" F-86F, the USAF now had a fighter which could match the maximum
speed of the MiG at altitudes all the way up to the Sabre's service ceiling
of 47,000 feet, could turn inside the MiG, and which had almost as great a
rate of climb.
that everything was "right", with the rest of the force remaining at Kimpo
or Suwon on alert or down for maintenance. Even when at maximum levels, the
Sabre force was far outnumbered by the MiGs.
with factory installed "6-3" wings, North American also sent out upgrade
kits to add the "6-3" wing to around half of the unmodified F-86F's
The original wing limited top speed to 688 mph (1107 km/hr), had a
higher drag coefficient than the "6-3" wing, but also had the stall speed 20 mph (32 kph) lower than the "6-3" wing
The "6-3" wing was developed by recommendations from George Welch, North
American's test pilot during the summer of 1952. Welch recommended removing the slats and extending the F-86's leading edges instead. Three modified F-
86E Sabres were tested. By August 1952, the 6-3 wing was perfected. This
modification deleted the leading edge slats and added a new solid leading
edge with six inches more chord at the root near the fuselage and three
inches more length at the wing tip. Finally, a five inch high boundary layer "fence" was added to the wing's upper surface at 70% of the wingspan to
direct air flow.
The "6-3" wing raised the stall speed of Sabres by 20 mph (32 kph),
increased the top speed to 695 mph (1118 kph), had a lower drag coefficient compared to the original wing, and increased high altitude maneuverability
by delaying the onset of buffeting
The F-86F-40 was a joint development between Mitsubishi and North American
in order to equip the JASDF with better fighters. In March 1955, the United States Air Force converted all active duty Sabres to F-40 specifications.
The F-40 wing restored the leading edge slats and lengthened the wing by one foot
The F-40 wing lowered the stall and takeoff speeds of Sabres fitted with them, it also further increased high altitude maneuverability, the wings
also kept the 6-3 chord modification
内战开打的时候明显是有优势的。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 苏联记者镜头下的四野入关：军列上满是日式坦克
: 以下画面是从苏联随军摄影记者所拍摄的战争纪录片《解放了的中国》中截取，反映了
: 1948年11月四野入关的场景。
: http://bbs.tiexue.net/post2_6940195_1.html
: 四野坦克一师有100多辆坦克入关，留在关外不知多少。
: 都是日本人指挥的，驾驶员很多也是日本人
【 在 higerg (higerg) 的大作中提到: 】
: 校长也有美国的装备吧。而且也用日本人了。
: 内战开打的时候明显是有优势的。
【 在 sanyanghu (忍者无敌之不去股票版) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你能列一下美帝对国民党的支持么？
【 在 sanyanghu (忍者无敌之不去股票版) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你能列一下美帝对国民党的支持么？
: 还有倭寇战犯对国民党的“支持”。。。
1950年这个时点上土狗有没有800飞机600坦克和毛爹有没有在45-49年期间给过800飞机600坦克相关吗？毛子给的不等于土狗用的上的。毛子给的不等于没损失，没有消耗。
这些对你那有限的脑容很具挑战性？
根据炮军石觉将军回忆录，炮军一次性在沈阳还是东北哪个地方就缴获过土狗来不及摧毁的飞机90余架。
【 在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到: 】
: 瞎扯，1950年解放军全军也没有800飞机600坦克。搞夸大宣传只会损害自己的信誉。
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 因为共军的总装备部长蒋中正不在朝鲜
【 在 arayashiki (alaya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 两个联队F-86？美帝就這麽點家當？你美爹都不好意思這麽丟人吧
至于土狗人辣鸡不会开飞机那是装备问题吗？
关东军坦克多少能用？反正华帅嘴里这些武器状态很好。还是那句话，你翻不了苏联档案馆的资料那就闭嘴。要说装备状况，炮党一样啊。噢不，比土狗差远了。土狗继承整个关东军弹药生产能力。炮党只能吃老本。压根不是一个档次。
【 在 sundevil072 (sundevil) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你上下两片嘴给了土鳖800飞机600坦克，麻痹土鳖当时有几个会开飞机的，关东军留下
: 的坦克有多少能用的，你要不要去交虎肉和李将军重新出来。
炮弹都不能自产。美帝一禁用，只能吃老本。土狗有毛爹援建保护的建新厂，不仅东北弹药供应充足，华北的共军都能有效补给。人家可是65枪弹上38大盖。哪里像炮党需要坑爹的把38大概改成79口径。
5毛谈智商？我们还是聊点其它的吧？
【 在 catveg (给它伟哥，把它鸡割) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美制德制武器一大堆，不能自给是不够用？从哪种程度？是从你智商程度？
: [在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到：]
: :蒋匪炮弹不能自给。又被灯塔禁用。从某种程度上来说倒算的上腊肉嘴里的小米步枪
: 。
丫废柴仗打的烂的结果啊？
早说了，5毛不要聊智商。哪壶不开提哪壶。
【 在 catveg (给它伟哥，把它鸡割) 的大作中提到: 】
: 飞机轰炸不算优势？你智商不存在一点没毛病。
: [在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到：]
: :说美帝在朝鲜对共匪装备上不存在巨大优势一点没毛病
可以比肩美军的所有F-86。
【 在 catveg (给它伟哥，把它鸡割) 的大作中提到: 】
: 操性，你美爹这还没空中优势？直接编米格15的故事，拿泡屎往嘴里一塞，随便乱喷，
: 是轮子的培训？
: [在 pta (pta) 的大作中提到：]
: :美军在朝鲜战场上的F86的确就没多少。共产党空军的米格15占有数量优势，质量上也
: :不相上下。
: :但美军航空兵拥有人员素质和情报指挥上的优势。所以空战结果基本一面倒。
【 在 arayashiki (alaya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 别扯淡了，美帝大量轰炸机后来都是靠F86来护航，其他飞机根本挡不住米格15，要是
: F86没多少早就没有空优了，而这是美帝打仗最注重的地方
南越崩盘的时候还有亚洲排名前列的海空军。有个蛋用。
【 在 higerg (higerg) 的大作中提到: 】
: 校长也有美国的装备吧。而且也用日本人了。
: 内战开打的时候明显是有优势的。
运输大队长蒋介石
【 在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到: 】
: 土狗的总装备部长不是在莫斯科？
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 当然不是，
: 运输大队长蒋介石
另外，“夫战，勇气也”。
实际上，二战是史上第一次技术和生产力能成为胜利主导因素，美国的地理位置也是重要因素。
有人外推到古代，是荒谬的。古代战争更多取决于战斗意志和勇气，而非生产力和技术。巴布尔一百人能征服印度，和技术与生产力有毛个关系。
即使如此，二战期间美国德国靠技术和生产力决胜负，不等于中国这种落后国家的内战也是。中国的落后，不仅是技术和工业落后，社会组织也是落后的。
国民党败给中共，和武器关系实在是不大，一半是因为中共的战斗意志更强（中共 ＝ 蒙古；国民党 ＝ 南宋），一半是国民党自己领导层的愚蠢（国民党相当于明末的文官政府，中共相当于后金；前者完全是处于混乱状态，无法利用自己的资源，后者更集权更高效；明朝最强悍的军队，无论是用全国财力打造出来的关宁铁骑，还是拥有欧洲科技的大炮，都跑到清朝那边去了；这根本不是什么苏联武器还是美国武器的问题）。
如果蒋介石在1945年突然去世，换成李宗仁白崇僖当领导，或者不管是谁。 那么，中
共绝对没戏。苏联给援助再多都没用。甚至苏联直接参战都没用，苏联直接出兵，也最多占领一个新疆，东北都不行。
实际上，如果在东北接收的时候，蒋介石能够听从李宗仁的意见，不解散满洲国军，把满洲国军改编为国军，中共在东北就没戏。几万出关干部在东北临时做窝，绝对来不及了。苏联直接出兵都没用。
说蒋介石是中共的运输大队长，一点没错。蒋介石不仅送装备，还送训练好的士兵。
你们这些人，和苹果日报一样，为什么就不肯面对真实呢？ 成天fake news + fake
history，很有意思么？
【 在 manfredzhang (Manfred) 的大作中提到: 】
: 来来来，蒋部长给土狗运了点什么东西？够的上毛子爸爸800飞机600坦克的一个零头吗？
勇气？就算你土狗赵国生出来的都是神风战士。你家的子宫生产车间造一批炮灰的时间是至少14年。人家生产线上下坦克下飞机一年以万计。还丫的勇气？几毛一斤啊？
巴布尔100人征服印度？这种神话听过就当耳边风。谁信谁傻X。
还苏联直接参战都没用？醒醒，纳粹的社会组织比炮党牛多了。打斯大林格勒被围的6
集大部分人都愿意战死。有用吗？有用吗？有用吗？
靠勇气的土狗怎么到朝鲜就阳痿了？勇气都让苏联爸爸玩菊花玩掉了？
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你在那秀智商下限很有意思么？
: 另外，“夫战，勇气也”。
: 实际上，二战是史上第一次技术和生产力能成为胜利主导因素，美国的地理位置也是重
: 要因素。
: 有人外推到古代，是荒谬的。古代战争更多取决于战斗意志和勇气，而非生产力和技术
: 。巴布尔一百人能征服印度，和技术与生产力有毛个关系。
: 即使如此，二战期间美国德国靠技术和生产力决胜负，不等于中国这种落后国家的内战
: 也是。中国的落后，不仅是技术和工业落后，社会组织也是落后的。
: 国民党败给中共，和武器关系实在是不大，一半是因为中共的战斗意志更强（中共
＝
: 蒙古；国民党 ＝ 南宋），一半是国民党自己领导层的愚蠢（国民党相当于明末的文官
: ...................
【 在 molen (molen) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你在那秀智商下限很有意思么？
: 另外，“夫战，勇气也”。
: 实际上，二战是史上第一次技术和生产力能成为胜利主导因素，美国的地理位置也是重
: 要因素。
: 有人外推到古代，是荒谬的。古代战争更多取决于战斗意志和勇气，而非生产力和技术
: 。巴布尔一百人能征服印度，和技术与生产力有毛个关系。
: 即使如此，二战期间美国德国靠技术和生产力决胜负，不等于中国这种落后国家的内战
: 也是。中国的落后，不仅是技术和工业落后，社会组织也是落后的。
: 国民党败给中共，和武器关系实在是不大，一半是因为中共的战斗意志更强（中共
＝
: 蒙古；国民党 ＝ 南宋），一半是国民党自己领导层的愚蠢（国民党相当于明末的文官
: ...................
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这就是四野的主力。
【 在 bobolan88 (波波熊) 的大作中提到: 】
: 其实共军用的是银河舰队武器，就这样还花了三年，才只是打跑了校长！
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你歪掰也没有用。当时东北共军武器技术兵都很厉害。
: 10万日本关东军技术兵
: 10万苏联朝鲜籍技术兵
: 30万满洲国士兵
: 上万的苏联高级军事顾问
: 10-20万八路干部
: 这就是四野的主力。
【 在 whoami2012 (nosce te ipsum or temet nosce) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你歪掰也没有用。当时东北共军武器技术兵都很厉害。
: 10-30万日本关东军技术兵
: 10万苏联朝鲜籍技术兵
: 30万满洲国士兵
: 上万的苏联高级军事顾问
: 10-20万八路干部
: 这就是四野的主力。
本前關東軍官兵及其家屬，一共有14萬人或被迫留在東北中共軍中服役，或滯留在中共控制區內生活；加籐局長肯定地認為，據他們周密調查，起碼有6萬名日本軍人直接為
中共軍於前線工作，有教授士兵開炮打槍的，有教授飛行技術的，有跟隨部隊做出戰術指導的，也有駕駛坦克和國軍直接交戰的。以上記錄見諸於1948年9月29日的《紐約時
報》。
解放全中國的勝利做出了貢獻……當聽說北京有個38軍戰友會時，兵頭義清透露日本也有個38軍戰友會，大概一萬多人，僅東京地區就有幾百人。
1945到1948年之間，中共依靠蘇援槍械卻組建了210個步兵師。
。表面看廖是鐵路運輸部門負責人，實際上他是蘇聯任命的東北最高軍政長官，也是遼沈戰役的戰場總指揮，受命指揮所有中蘇部隊。
【 在 Nietzsche (上帝死了) 的大作中提到: 】
: sb，他们用的重武器都是美国的