zz苏格兰公布上月的病毒住院和死亡数据

l
lczlcz
楼主 (未名空间)

Scottish Data released November 24:

1) 74% of the Covid hospitalizations in the past month are in the vaccinated (Table 19: 1,564 vaccinated + 559 unvaccinated = 2,123 total
hospitalizations. 1,564 / 2,123 = 73.7%)

2) 89% of the Covid deaths in the past month are in the vaccinated (Table 20: 447 vaccinated + 54 unvaccinated. 447/501 = 89.4%)

Why are they mandating vaccination again?
https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10462/21-11-24-covid19-publication_
report.pdf
z
zhaojing36

这种情况下还强制就是胁迫大家选坏的
人民没办法

m
manchester9

如果都打了疫苗,你就没法算这个百分比了

【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: Scottish Data released November 24:
: 1) 74% of the Covid hospitalizations in the past month are in the
vaccinated
: (Table 19: 1,564 vaccinated + 559 unvaccinated = 2,123 total
: hospitalizations. 1,564 / 2,123 = 73.7%)
D
DreamTiger


【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: Scottish Data released November 24:
: 1) 74% of the Covid hospitalizations in the past month are in the
vaccinated
: (Table 19: 1,564 vaccinated + 559 unvaccinated = 2,123 total
: hospitalizations. 1,564 / 2,123 = 73.7%)
: 2) 89% of the Covid deaths in the past month are in the vaccinated (Table 20
: Why are they mandating vaccination again?
: https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10462/21-11-24-covid19-publication_
: report.pdf

l
lczlcz

100%啊

【 在 manchester9 (2020GodWatching) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果都打了疫苗,你就没法算这个百分比了
: vaccinated

D
DreamTiger


打了疫苗和不打疫苗年龄群不一样而已。Table19早说明了这个问题。楼主只是不想把
这些写出来而已。

【 在 manchester9 (2020GodWatching) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果都打了疫苗,你就没法算这个百分比了

a
adcv

Table 20: 一针死亡率 大于 没打疫苗; 两针死亡率 是没打疫苗的 三分之一, 几
个月前是十分之一。

C
Carwash

结论是:每隔几个月,需要打booster

【 在 adcv (Jimmy) 的大作中提到: 】
: Table 20: 一针死亡率 大于 没打疫苗; 两针死亡率 是没打疫苗的 三分之一, 几
: 个月前是十分之一。

D
DreamTiger


如果能够给出每个年龄段的数据就更好了,每个人可以根据自己的情况和数据去考虑收益和风险。

【 在 adcv (Jimmy) 的大作中提到: 】
: Table 20: 一针死亡率 大于 没打疫苗; 两针死亡率 是没打疫苗的 三分之一, 几
: 个月前是十分之一。

l
lczlcz

这个本身就是扯蛋. 只是年龄群里面的%不一样. 如果必须用年龄standarlization才能justify打疫苗, 那么就不该不分年龄的强制疫苗

【 在 DreamTiger (祝你平安) 的大作中提到: 】
: 打了疫苗和不打疫苗年龄群不一样而已。Table19早说明了这个问题。楼主只是不想把
: 这些写出来而已。

a
adcv

这肯定是把年龄段加进去算的,否则根据概率原理会算出两针疫苗死亡率高于不打疫苗的。 如果不分年龄段,因为老人死亡率和疫苗率都高,造成打疫苗的分子被夸大。

【 在 DreamTiger(祝你平安) 的大作中提到: 】

: 如果能够给出每个年龄段的数据就更好了,每个人可以根据自己的情况和数据去考虑收

: 益和风险。

D
DreamTiger


加权后的数据是在表里。我的意思是如果能把每个年龄段的数据也放出来就更清楚了。

【 在 adcv (Jimmy) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这肯定是把年龄段加进去算的,否则根据概率原理会算出两针疫苗死亡率高于不打疫苗
: 的。 如果不分年龄段,因为老人死亡率和疫苗率都高,造成打疫苗的分子被夸大。

你说的这个意思楼主已经完美的呈现出来了。

:
: 如果能够给出每个年龄段的数据就更好了,每个人可以根据自己的情况和数据去
: 考虑收
:
: 益和风险。
:

d
daemonself

那你来给我们算算好不好
【 在 DreamTiger (祝你平安) 的大作中提到: 】
: 打了疫苗和不打疫苗年龄群不一样而已。Table19早说明了这个问题。楼主只是不想把
: 这些写出来而已。

D
DreamTiger


笑话你好,笑话再见。

【 在 daemonself (let's go Brandon) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那你来给我们算算好不好

n
nfnmd

打疫苗的人口基数是多大?光算住院的人有什么意义。

【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: Scottish Data released November 24:
:
: 1) 74% of the Covid hospitalizations in the past month are in the
vaccinated
: (Table 19: 1,564 vaccinated + 559 unvaccinated = 2,123 total
: hospitalizations. 1,564 / 2,123 = 73.7%)
:
: 2) 89% of the Covid deaths in the past month are in the vaccinated (Table 20
: : 447 vaccinated + 54 unvaccinated. 447/501 = 89.4%)
:
: Why are they mandating vaccination again?
:
: https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10462/21-11-24-covid19-publication_
: report.pdf
n
nazareth

Smart.

If there is only one person left unvaccinated and he dies, the death rate of unvaccinated is 100%!

If there is no one left unvaccinated, the death rate of unvaccinated is 0%!

But all that is irrelevant. Taking the jab prevents you from neither the
disease nor the death. Why do I have to take it again?

【 在 nfnmd (我爱总复习) 的大作中提到: 】
: 打疫苗的人口基数是多大?光算住院的人有什么意义。

F
FortyNiner

Page 41 of the report in the table, for the week 11/13-19, the unvaxxed had a 0.50% chance of getting infected, while the vaxxed 0.29%. So the unvaxxed is 1.7 times more likely to get infected than the vaxxed. The results are similar for other weeks.
Page 53 in the table, for the week of 11/6-12, the unvaxxed had an age
standardised mortality rate per 100k of 5.05, while the vaxxed 1.78. So the unvaxxed is 2.84 times more likely to die from covid than the vaxxed.
Again, results are similar for other weeks.
F
FortyNiner

Do you know the vaxxed rate of its population 40+? Why 40+? Because there is almost no death among the population 40-, vaxxed or not. So we should
not include them into any group, vaxxed or unvaxxed, when considering the
mortality since that will inflate its population and "artificially" reduce
the mortality.

What percents of Scotland's 40+ population are fully vaxxed? 96.0%. (The
data in the table comes from Public Health of Scotland. You can double
check my numbers from the link below.) Doing the math you will know 96.0%
of Scotland's 40+ population have been fully vaxxed. So 96% of the vaxxed
account for 89% of the deaths, and 4% unvaxxed account for 11% of the deaths
. 89/96=.927, and 11/4=2.75. So the unvaxxed is 2.97 times more likely to die from covid than the vaxxed.
http://public.tableau.com/app/profile/phs.covid.19/viz/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

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2) 89% of the Covid deaths in the past month are in the vaccinated (Table 20 Why are they mandating vaccination again?

F
FortyNiner

Do you know the vaxxed rate of its population 40+? Why 40+? Because there
is almost no death among the population 40-, vaxxed or not. So we should
not include them into any group, vaxxed or unvaxxed, when considering the
mortality since that will inflate its population and "artificially" reduce
the mortality.

What percents of Scotland's 40+ population are fully vaxxed? 96.0%. (The
data in the table comes from Public Health of Scotland. You can double
check my numbers from the link below.) Doing the math you will know 96.0%
of Scotland's 40+ population have been fully vaxxed. So 96% of the vaxxed
account for 89% of the deaths, and 4% unvaxxed account for 11% of the deaths
. 89/96=.927, and 11/4=2.75. So the unvaxxed is 2.97 times more likely to
die from covid than the vaxxed. Notice this 2.97 is quite consistent with
the 2.84 in the post upstairs.
http://public.tableau.com/app/profile/phs.covid.19/viz/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

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2) 89% of the Covid deaths in the past month are in the vaccinated (Table 20) Why are they mandating vaccination again?