俺支持强制口罩,但是坚决反对强制疫苗

V123
楼主 (未名空间)

原因是戴口罩不会给人带来身体上可能的伤害

而这次紧急批准的这些疫苗,到底是否安全, 是存在很大疑问的,尤其是连厂家label的都是不给小孩子用,结果现在却要越来越往低龄强制

如果后面发现某个或者多个疫苗存在安全隐患, 这个责任谁来担负? 对于自愿打的,你还可以说愿赌服输, 那么被强制的呢? 你负责任么? 你拿什么负责? 你负的起么? 负不起怎么办?

从这次疫情爆发以来, CDC这个原本顶着科学光环的机构,已经彻底变成了一个搞笑的典型官僚机构。

而睡joe 这个弱智,真是觉着自己到时候一蹬腿就不用管洪水滔天了么

phoenixLight

Pretty much my position too. But what if cdc fully approves the vax for
kids 12 and older? CDC has lost much of its credibility, I don't believe it will stop here.
V123

CDC没有权力批准这个

批准更改indication 和patient group 是FDA的权力

而且前提是药厂申请,

如果CDC 真敢 ”批准“ , 那这个玩意被放火烧了可能更好

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】
: Pretty much my position too. But what if cdc fully approves the vax for
: kids 12 and older? CDC has lost much of its credibility, I don't believe it
: will stop here.

phoenixLight

OK, then what if fda fully approves it? Are you still against vax mandate
for kids 12 and older? I don't know my position yet.

【 在 V123 (文成武德日月神教教主-正在301治脚气) 的大作中提到: 】
: CDC没有权力批准这个
: 更改indication 和patient group 是FDA的权力
: 如果CDC 真敢 ”批准“ , 那这个玩意被放火烧了可能更好
: it

V123

没有clinical trial ,药厂如何提出申请?谁来approve ?

这几个药厂,哪个做12岁以下的clinical trial 了???

没有这个,就批准?

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】
: OK, then what if fda fully approves it? Are you still against vax mandate
: for kids 12 and older? I don't know my position yet.

phoenixLight

If Delta, or other, variant is putting ten, or some other number, times more risk on kids, fda will be under huge pressure to fully approve the vax for kids 12 and up.
phoenixLight

Saw the title, but didn't go into the article, two days ago on ABCnews that Pfizer was applying for permission to use its vax on kids 5 to 11, if I
remember it right.

【 在 V123 (文成武德日月神教教主-正在301治脚气) 的大作中提到: 】
: 没有clinical trial ,药厂如何提出申请?谁来approve ?
: 这几个药厂,哪个做12岁以下的clinical trial 了???
: 没有这个,就批准?

C
CoolTeeth


就看FDA敢不敢批准了,反正欧洲连12-15的都没批准。而且FDA批准了也是EUA,谁愿意让自己孩子去当小白鼠谁就去做,你不能逼所有父母送孩子去当小白鼠。

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】
: Saw the title, but didn't go into the article, two days ago on ABCnews
that
: Pfizer was applying for permission to use its vax on kids 5 to 11, if I
: remember it right.
:

h
hounddog

拿穷人的小孩当小白鼠做实验。富人的小孩读私立。中产,不接受这政策的,也可以咬牙去读私立。穷人,如果有教育券政策,还可以去私立读书。现在,不上学,警察要抓。上学,逼着打针。加州不知道允不允许home school。要行,那边不想孩子当小白鼠
的家长只能考虑home school了。

phoenixLight

Here in LAUSD, you can choose independent study if you dodge the vax.
Also, 145,000 of LAUSD's 225,000 students of 12 and up had already been
vaxxed prior to the vax mandate, so they do not lack 小白鼠. Another wrong assumption.

【 在 hounddog (巴蒂) 的大作中提到: 】
: 拿穷人的小孩当小白鼠做实验。富人的小孩读私立。中产,不接受这政策的,也可以咬
: 牙去读私立。穷人,如果有教育券政策,还可以去私立读书。现在,不上学,警察要抓
: 。上学,逼着打针。加州不知道允不允许home school。要行,那边不想孩子当小白鼠
: 的家长只能考虑home school了。

h
hounddog

基本分析都不会。12and up里面,多少是12到15的?其中多少打了疫苗?

【 在 phoenixLight(Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】

: Here in LAUSD, you can choose independent study if you dodge the vax.

: Also, 145,000 of LAUSD's 225,000 students of 12 and up had already
been

: vaxxed prior to the vax mandate, so they do not lack 小白鼠. Another wrong

: assumption.

phoenixLight

Those 225,000 are ALL 12 to 15. Hwo much 基本分析 do you need?

【 在 hounddog (巴蒂) 的大作中提到: 】
: 基本分析都不会。12and up里面,多少是12到15的?其中多少打了疫苗?
:
: Here in LAUSD, you can choose independent study if you dodge the vax.
:
: Also, 145,000 of LAUSD's 225,000 students of 12 and up had already
: been
:
: vaxxed prior to the vax mandate, so they do not lack 小白鼠.
Another
: wrong
:
: assumption.
:

h
hounddog

看你的英文,哪一句说了are all 12 to 15。给我原文link。我看看are all 12 to 15。

【 在 phoenixLight(Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】

: Those 225,000 are ALL 12 to 15. Hwo much 基本分析 do you need?

: Another

phoenixLight

My bad. 225,000 students in LAUSD are 12 and up. Of these, 145,000 had
been vaxxed before the vax mandate, and 80,000 had not. Since there are
fewer students in higher grades, at most 90k are 16 to 18. Let's say 57% (Cal's vax rate) of them, 15 to 18, are vaxxed, that's about 51k. So there
are still at least over 90k students 12 to 15 who have been vaccinated.
That's enough 小白鼠。
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/us/los-angeles-schools-vaccine-mandate-
students/index.html

【 在 hounddog (巴蒂) 的大作中提到: 】
: 看你的英文,哪一句说了are all 12 to 15。给我原文link。我看看are all 12 to 15。
:
: Those 225,000 are ALL 12 to 15. Hwo much 基本分析 do you need?
:
: Another
:

h
hounddog

145000/225000=64.44%。加州的两针疫苗接种率,今天的数据是56%。也就是说,洛杉
矶学区12and up的远高于州平均。

然后,洛杉矶学区接种率是64.44%,你假设16and up是57%。看来洛杉矶学区的父母真
属于舍不得孩子套不着狼的呀。

【 在 phoenixLight(Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】

: My bad. 225,000 students in LAUSD are 12 and up. Of these, 145,000
had

: been vaxxed before the vax mandate, and 80,000 had not. Since there
are

: fewer students in higher grades, at most 90k are 16 to 18. Let's say 57% (

: Cal's vax rate) of them, 15 to 18, are vaxxed, that's about 51k. So
there

: are still at least over 90k students 12 to 15 who have been vaccinated
.

: That's enough 小白鼠。

: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/us/los-angeles-schools-vaccine-mandate-
: students/index.html

: 15。

phoenixLight

OK. To satisfy you, let's say it is 64.4% among students 16 to 18. That
give 58k vaccinated. So still 87k students of 12 to 15 who have been vaxxed
. Does it change anything significantly? Do they still need to lure more
小白鼠 as you thought?
Regarding the 64.4%, you don't believe it? Interim Superintendent Megan
Reilly gave the numbers. I think she might be a repub, since the teacher
union is not happy with her.

【 在 hounddog (巴蒂) 的大作中提到: 】
: 145000/225000=64.44%。加州的两针疫苗接种率,今天的数据是56%。也就是说,洛杉
: 矶学区12and up的远高于州平均。
: 然后,洛杉矶学区接种率是64.44%,你假设16and up是57%。看来洛杉矶学区的父母真
: 属于舍不得孩子套不着狼的呀。
:
: My bad. 225,000 students in LAUSD are 12 and up. Of these, 145,000
: had
:
: been vaxxed before the vax mandate, and 80,000 had not. Since there
: are
:
: fewer students in higher grades, at most 90k are 16 to 18. Let's
say
: 57% (
: ...................

h
hounddog

均匀分布。很好。这个假设比刚才好些了。可以达到大学统计101的水平。加油。

【 在 phoenixLight(Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】

: OK. To satisfy you, let's say it is 64.4% among students 16 to 18.
That

: give 58k vaccinated. So still 87k students of 12 to 15 who have been vaxxed

: . Does it change anything significantly? Do they still need to lure more

: 小白鼠 as you thought?

: Regarding the 64.4%, you don't believe it? Interim Superintendent
Megan

: Reilly gave the numbers. I think she might be a repub, since the
teacher

: union is not happy with her.

: say

phoenixLight

Even not distributed evenly, it does not make much difference. There are
way fewer students in higher grades, and that offsets some of the uneven vax distribution.

【 在 hounddog (巴蒂) 的大作中提到: 】
: 均匀分布。很好。这个假设比刚才好些了。可以达到大学统计101的水平。加油。
:
: OK. To satisfy you, let's say it is 64.4% among students 16 to 18.
: That
:
: give 58k vaccinated. So still 87k students of 12 to 15 who have
been
: vaxxed
:
: . Does it change anything significantly? Do they still need to
lure
: more
:
: 小白鼠 as you thought?
:
: Regarding the 64.4%, you don't believe it? Interim Superintendent
: Megan
: ...................

h
hounddog

再想想,这句话有没有说错?你要是我课堂上的学生,我可能会给你个f。

【 在 phoenixLight(Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】

: Even not distributed evenly, it does not make much difference. There are

: way fewer students in higher grades, and that offsets some of the
uneven vax

: distribution.

: been

: lure

h
hounddog

对了,这么多小白鼠了,为啥fda 不approve呢?

【 在 phoenixLight(Niner'sMJ) 的大作中提到: 】

: Even not distributed evenly, it does not make much difference. There are

: way fewer students in higher grades, and that offsets some of the
uneven vax

: distribution.

: been

: lure

phoenixLight

Who knows? Maybe fda will approve it tomorrow?

【 在 hounddog (巴蒂) 的大作中提到: 】
: 对了,这么多小白鼠了,为啥fda 不approve呢?
:
: Even not distributed evenly, it does not make much difference.
There
: are
:
: way fewer students in higher grades, and that offsets some of the
: uneven vax
:
: distribution.
:
: been
:
: lure
:

phoenixLight

In cheap tutor's hat now?

【 在 hounddog (巴蒂) 的大作中提到: 】
: 再想想,这句话有没有说错?你要是我课堂上的学生,我可能会给你个f。
:
: Even not distributed evenly, it does not make much difference.
There
: are
:
: way fewer students in higher grades, and that offsets some of the
: uneven vax
:
: distribution.
:
: been
:
: lure
:

daemonself

戴口罩不会给人带来身体上可能的伤害???
在电脑前面造粪得职业本质上不创造任何财富。我以亲身经验告诉你,每天认真戴n95
超过一小时,就能造成严重脑缺氧。你们真的试过好好戴口罩么
【 在 V123 (文成武德日月神教教主-正在301治脚气) 的大作中提到: 】
: 原因是戴口罩不会给人带来身体上可能的伤害
: 而这次紧急批准的这些疫苗,到底是否安全, 是存在很大疑问的,尤其是连厂家
label
: 的都是不给小孩子用,结果现在却要越来越往低龄强制
: 如果后面发现某个或者多个疫苗存在安全隐患, 这个责任谁来担负? 对于自愿打的,
: 你还可以说愿赌服输, 那么被强制的呢? 你负责任么? 你拿什么负责? 你负的起么
: ? 负不起怎么办?
: 从这次疫情爆发以来, CDC这个原本顶着科学光环的机构,已经彻底变成了一个搞笑的
: 典型官僚机构。
: 而睡joe 这个弱智,真是觉着自己到时候一蹬腿就不用管洪水滔天了么

phoenixLight

Is that why and how the richest guy on this board became an IQ38? He
certainly needs to be educated by you. How mnay, percentage, people are
actually wearing n95 these days?

【 在 daemonself (新晋川黑黑,前川粉,前mit行为艺术专业博士后导师) 的大作中
提到: 】
: 戴口罩不会给人带来身体上可能的伤害???
: 在电脑前面造粪得职业本质上不创造任何财富。我以亲身经验告诉你,每天认真戴
n95
: 超过一小时,就能造成严重脑缺氧。你们真的试过好好戴口罩么
: label

D
DreamTiger


你不知道而已,12岁以下的clinical trial早就在做了,入组人员3/4是疫苗,1/4是对照组,等结果吧。

【 在 V123 (文成武德日月神教教主-正在301治脚气) 的大作中提到: 】
: 没有clinical trial ,药厂如何提出申请?谁来approve ?
: 这几个药厂,哪个做12岁以下的clinical trial 了???
: 没有这个,就批准?