The merchants have no law-enforcing authority. It is a lot more difficult for them to enforce their own store's mask mandate. Anyone who breaks a store's mask mandate pretty much has no consequence, and everyone knows that too. So no one will take a store's mask mandate too serious simply there is not consequence.
You can always kick out customers if they break your dress code.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : The merchants have no law-enforcing authority. It is a lot more difficult : for them to enforce their own store's mask mandate. Anyone who breaks a : store's mask mandate pretty much has no consequence, and everyone knows : that too. So no one will take a store's mask mandate too serious simply : there is not consequence.
Yes, but it is more difficult to do that individually than systematically. Plus, by the time a merchant spends so much time to get the police to help, in some cases, many other customers have been exposed to that guy, and some of them might just leave and the merchant will just lose the potential business.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】 : You can always kick out customers if they break your dress code.
Costco mandated masks before many states doing so, and they are doing fine.
On the other hand, if you want to have maskless costumer in your store and don't care about losing other costumer that wants a mask mandate in your store, why not just drop the mask mandate?
It's people's own choice what level of protection they want for covid. Many people doesn't care about catching it. Many people had it already and won't care. Many people has taken the vaccine and won't care.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : Yes, but it is more difficult to do that individually than systematically.: Plus, by the time a merchant spends so much time to get the police to help, : in some cases, many other customers have been exposed to that guy, and some : of them might just leave and the merchant will just lose the potential : business.
Costco is big, and they have tens of employees working at the same time. Some stores have only a few people working, and handling mask-related affairs is not easy for them. If you drop the mask mandate, some customers who want the mandate will not come to your store, you will lose those customers too. So when it is up to the merchants, no matter what the merchants choose, some potential customers will not be happy and choose to shop somewhere else. When there is a systematic mandate, merchants don't need to face this dilemma. Right, many people don't care, and that's the stem of the problem. There are people who care and, unfortunately, will be affected by those who don't care. We just care too much about ourselves and don't want to sacrifice just a little bit to help our fellow community members. Wearing mask is not such a big sacrifice; after all, we have been used to it after many months.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】 : Costco mandated masks before many states doing so, and they are doing fine. : On the other hand, if you want to have maskless costumer in your store and : don't care about losing other costumer that wants a mask mandate in your : store, why not just drop the mask mandate? : It's people's own choice what level of protection they want for covid. Many : people doesn't care about catching it. Many people had it already and won't : care. Many people has taken the vaccine and won't care. : , : some
Newsom is exasperated because he himself has been already under enormous pressure to reopen. Now TX is going to reopen, so the pressure on him will be even more. At this time, I think/feel he wants to reopen, but there is also a lot of resistance, especially from hard-hit areas.
Don't EVER mandate other people to do things to protect you! If you want to be protected, stay at home. Or wear a hazmat suit when you meet others.
Now the vaccine will be available very soon to everyone. Just wait for your turn, take the vaccine, and do whatever you want.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : Costco is big, and they have tens of employees working at the same time. : Some stores have only a few people working, and handling mask-related : affairs is not easy for them. : If you drop the mask mandate, some customers who want the mandate will not : come to your store, you will lose those customers too. So when it is up to : the merchants, no matter what the merchants choose, some potential customers : will not be happy and choose to shop somewhere else. When there is a : systematic mandate, merchants don't need to face this dilemma. : Right, many people don't care, and that's the stem of the problem. There : are people who care and, unfortunately, will be affected by those who don't : ...................
People like you just think of "me". Other than "me", we also need to think about the other ones and protect them . Obviously the vulnerable ones cannot really isolate themselves from the rest of the society. They need to buy food to eat, they need to see doctors . I lost a friend of mine who is a formal colleague on 1/8 to covid. He retired just a year and a half ago, but we were still in touch with hundreds of text messages. He is Caucasian, but since last February he agreed with me that mask could help, even when CDC did not encourage normal people to wear them, and he had been very careful to not get infected. However, as I said, he had to go shopping and visit doctors. The last three weeks of his life, I was not able to get in touch with him. About a week before his passing away, I sent him text messages in two separate days to him and did not get reply from him. I was hoping that his phone was damaged or something like that. People like that, we as a society must do our part, even if it means we need to make some sacrifice, to help and protect them. It is not just me, me, me. You might be young and healthy and therefore can afford to be reckless and "brave". There are millions out there who might get infected not because of their own fault. Are you so cold-blooded to just tell them to stay home and starve to death? Are you telling them not to see their doctors for over a year? Imagine those are your parents or grandparents.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】 : Don't EVER mandate other people to do things to protect you! If you want to : be protected, stay at home. Or wear a hazmat suit when you meet others. : Now the vaccine will be available very soon to everyone. Just wait for your : turn, take the vaccine, and do whatever you want. : to : customers : t
If your friend cared about his health that much, why don't he have ALL groceries delivered, and visit doctors online? I have many friends at 70+, and they have everything delivered and literally didn't step out their homes for months. I also have friends that are 70+, fully understand the risk of infection, and go about their lives as normal (except following any government mandate/rules of course).
We can be empathetic about others. I wear masks in the public all the times. I donated an air purifier for my kid's school. BUT YOU CAN'T MANDATE people to be considerate about others. Or it at least should pass legislature like the seat belt's law. It's been a year! If Covid is SO important, why NO legislature in the US ever made a mask mandate law? Because it's NOT popular. Because MAJORITY of people does NOT want government to mandate them to do the right thing.
Many data have shown that regions with or without mask mandate have very similar infection rates and death rates from covid. It's not mask that aren't effective. It's the MANDATE that's not effective!
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : People like you just think of "me". : Other than "me", we also need to think about the other ones and protect them : . Obviously the vulnerable ones cannot really isolate themselves from the : rest of the society. They need to buy food to eat, they need to see doctors : . I lost a friend of mine who is a formal colleague on 1/8 to covid. He : retired just a year and a half ago, but we were still in touch with hundreds : of text messages. He is Caucasian, but since last February he agreed with : me that mask could help, even when CDC did not encourage normal people to : wear them, and he had been very careful to not get infected. However, as I : said, he had to go shopping and visit doctors. The last three weeks of his : ...................
Do you think everyone can afford food delivery? (Don't tell me they can just go to the bank to get the money.) Do you think all doctor's visits are for minor things that can be done online? Do you think they can have an X-ray or CAT at home?
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】 : If your friend cared about his health that much, why don't he have ALL : groceries delivered, and visit doctors online? I have many friends at 70+, : and they have everything delivered and literally didn't step out their homes : for months. I also have friends that are 70+, fully understand the risk of : infection, and go about their lives as normal (except following any : government mandate/rules of course). : We can be empathetic about others. I wear masks in the public all the times. : I donated an air purifier for my kid's school. BUT YOU CAN'T MANDATE people : to be considerate about others. Or it at least should pass legislature like : the seat belt's law. It's been a year! If Covid is SO important, why NO : ...................
This is capitalism society. If you can't afford to live, DIE!
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : Do you think everyone can afford food delivery? (Don't tell me they can : just go to the bank to get the money.) Do you think all doctor's visits are : for minor things that can be done online? Do you think they can have an X- : ray or CAT at home? : homes : of : times. : people : like
Data shows waht it is, but data does not explain why. Data shows there is no covid or covid death on the moon, and there is no mask mandate on the moon, does that prove "no mask mandate" means no infection or death? If you already make up your mind, already have a conclusion, you can always cherry pick data to support your claim. Tell me, those data that shows low infection and low death rates, are they for overpopulated places like Boston, NYC or LA city? Don't compare no-mask-mandate in the middle of nowhere to mask-mandate in LA. They are not comparable by nature.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】 : If your friend cared about his health that much, why don't he have ALL : groceries delivered, and visit doctors online? I have many friends at 70+, : and they have everything delivered and literally didn't step out their homes : for months. I also have friends that are 70+, fully understand the risk of : infection, and go about their lives as normal (except following any : government mandate/rules of course). : We can be empathetic about others. I wear masks in the public all the times. : I donated an air purifier for my kid's school. BUT YOU CAN'T MANDATE people : to be considerate about others. Or it at least should pass legislature like : the seat belt's law. It's been a year! If Covid is SO important, why NO : ...................
Michigan: population 9.987 million, area 96,716 mi^2 Georgia: population 10.62 million, area 59,425 mi^2
Michigan: strict lockdown, mandate mask, 16,580 covid deaths Georgia: lockdown lifted since April 2020, and never a second lockdown, no mask mandate, 17,198 covid deaths
There are no two states that are perfectly the same. So you can always say I'm comparing apples with oranges of course.
However, you should understand, what's effective is mask itself. Although Georgia does not have a state-wide mandate, people around me have 90%+ mask wearing rate. You don't need to be mandated to have empathy for others.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : Data shows waht it is, but data does not explain why. Data shows there is : no covid or covid death on the moon, and there is no mask mandate on the : moon, does that prove "no mask mandate" means no infection or death? : If you already make up your mind, already have a conclusion, you can always : cherry pick data to support your claim. Tell me, those data that shows low : infection and low death rates, are they for overpopulated places like Boston : , NYC or LA city? Don't compare no-mask-mandate in the middle of nowhere to : mask-mandate in LA. They are not comparable by nature. : homes : of : ...................
Overall population density might not be that important, as long as both are some distance from being overpopulated. It is more important when it is close to or is overpopulated. If you look at the few metro areas with most the deaths in Michigan and Georgia, what about their population density? Anyway, I don't know their data too much. I know LA's data better since it is more relevant to me. In early January, we had reached ICU capacity. If we did not have lock down, the number of covid patients who needed to be admitted to ICU would be probably higher by hundreds or even a thousand. But there was no extra ICU for them, so most of them might be just told to stay home, and a good percentage of them would just die. I am jsut happy that we here had the lock down, though it has never been strict.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】 : Michigan: population 9.987 million, area 96,716 mi^2 : Georgia: population 10.62 million, area 59,425 mi^2 : Michigan: strict lockdown, mandate mask, 16,580 covid deaths : Georgia: lockdown lifted since April 2020, and never a second lockdown, no : mask mandate, 17,198 covid deaths : There are no two states that are perfectly the same. So you can always say I : 'm comparing apples with oranges of course. : However, you should understand, what's effective is mask itself. Although : Georgia does not have a state-wide mandate, people around me have 90%+ mask : wearing rate. You don't need to be mandated to have empathy for others. : ...................
This is the type of argument I would like to engage in. Thought heated, and there might be some sarcasm, but there is no name calling or insulting language. Hard to find people like this to argue with on this board.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】 : I take it as a compliment. Thank you!
Thank you. 【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】 : This is the type of argument I would like to engage in. Thought heated, and : there might be some sarcasm, but there is no name calling or insulting : language. Hard to find people like this to argue with on this board.
美国当前仍是全球新冠疫情最严重的国家，累计死亡病例已突破51万，但美国一些州已经开始放松警惕，放宽限制措施，甚至主动取消口罩强制令。据美联社当地时间3月2日报道，美国得克萨斯州州长阿博特当天参观当地一家餐厅时宣布，已正式签发行政令取消得州持续了8个月的口罩强制令，并允许州内所有企业和营业设施完全恢复100%的客
容量。法令将于3月10日起正式生效。
得州是美国疫情最严重的州之一：累计确诊超过266万，位列全美第二；死亡人数达4.4万，仅次于加州和纽约州；当地时间1日新增确诊8130例，七日平均日新增也达到7693
例。因此该决定引起得州许多医护人员的担忧，他们担心过早取消口罩强制令将引发病例激增。加州州长纽森也在推特上抨击阿博特“完全是在胡来”。
就在阿博特发布行政令的一天前，美国疾控中心主任瓦伦斯基刚警告过各州不要放松防疫措施。瓦伦斯基强调，纽约发现的变异新冠病毒正在传播，这可能让美国的防疫努力全部白费。
取消口罩强制令
根据得州州政府网站的公告，相关行政令规定了一种名叫“高住院率地区”的概念，若得州任何一个医疗服务区域的新冠住院患者连续7天占用该地区15%以上的医院床位，则这个区域就被视作“高住院率地区”。基于这一概念，阿博特的行政令针对不同地区设立两种对应的政策。
根据行政令内容，在非“高住院率地区”，当地政府鼓励民众在无法保持社交距离公共场所佩戴口罩，但不得发布任何强制令，这些地区将不设置任何针对企业、商家的限制措施。企业可自行决定是否要实施额外的限制或卫生措施。
而在“高住院率地区”，州政府也不会发布限制措施，县政府可以采取适当“缓解疫情措施”，但县政府不得对不戴口罩的个人施加任何惩罚、不得判处任何不遵守新冠防疫措施的人监禁、不允许对任何实体设置50%以下的人流限制。
阿博特在讲话中解释称，得州疫情现在已经“好转”，因此口罩强制令已经“过时”。“新冠病毒没有消失，但从康复、疫苗接种、住院治疗数减少和安全措施来看，得州已经不再需要过去的规定了。”阿博特说，“取消强制令并不代表中止每个人的防疫责任，但民众和企业不需要政府教他们做事。”
他声称，这项行政命令的目的在于，确保得州所有企业和家庭“都有决定自己命运的自由”：“太多的得州人被拒之门外，无法得到就业机会；太多的小型企业无力承担他们的账单。这种情况必须被终结。现在是时候完全开放得克萨斯州了。”
得克萨斯州于去年7月在全州范围内发布了口罩强制令，但各地执法力度参差不齐。美
联社称，一些地区的执法部门根本就没有进行任何监督。这在政治上也引发了矛盾，多地市长认为阿博特的执行力度不够强，但阿博特的共和党同僚则激烈批评这些限制措施。
引发社会各界担忧
这一突如其来的变化令得州社会各界措手不及。美联社称，餐饮行业正在考虑如何调整餐厅内的卫生防护措施；而学校的管理者也在忙着研究，取消口罩强制令会对该州500
万公立学校学生产生何种影响。
得州的医院则对这一消息感到忧虑，他们担心取消口罩强制令会又一次导致疫情暴发。如休斯敦联合纪念医疗中心首席医疗官约瑟夫·瓦隆（Joseph Varon）就告诉美媒，他已致电医院高层领导，呼吁医院准备好更多呼吸机和员工。“我担心我们会迎来一次新增病例的暴发。我希望我的担忧是错误的，但不幸的是，我们似乎正走在重蹈覆辙的路上。”瓦隆说。
得州零售游说团体“零售行业领袖协会”也发表声明批评称，“放松佩戴口罩等常识性的防疫规定是一个错误的决定，在防疫措施上的倒退将不公平地让零售员工承担履行指导方针的责任，也可能危及到作为疫苗接种中心的药店和杂货商店的安全。”
阿博特的决定同样招来了加利福尼亚州州长、民主党人纽森的抨击，后者在推特上批评这一做法“完全是在瞎搞”。
根据《纽约时报》的追踪数据，得州当地时间1日新增确诊8130例，七天平均日新增病
例7693例，七天平均死亡人数228人，近期的平均数据有增长的趋势。不过这个数据与
两周前的日平均确诊和日平均死亡水平相比，分别下降了约18%和13%。
美国多州放松限制
就在阿博特宣布这一决定后，密西西比州州长泰特·里弗斯（Tate Reeves）也迅速效
仿，发布了类似的声明，宣布取消口罩强制令。里弗斯在推特上这样写道：“从明天开始，我们将取消所有县佩戴口罩的规定，企业可以在不受限制的情况下满负荷运转。我们的住院人数和病例数大幅下降，疫苗正在迅速分发，现在是时候了！”
密西西比州的新冠肺炎累计确诊已接近30万，死亡病例超过6700例。根据《纽约时报》的追踪数据，该州当地时间3月1日新增病例199例，七日平均日新增589例。
近期，美国已有多个州开始考虑放松限制。据《纽约时报》此前报道，多名共和党籍州长正在取消部分防控措施，北卡罗来纳州等地的民主党籍州长也在考虑放宽集会限制。
但美国疾控中心主任罗谢尔·瓦伦斯基（Rochelle Walensky）1日刚刚发出警告，称纽约上周发现的变异新冠病毒可能会使美国的防疫努力彻底白费。她呼吁各州不要放松警惕，继续维持防疫措施。
放权给个人，商家自行决定，贯彻宪法精神，绝大部分地方都是要求戴口罩进入的，不知道你们激动个啥。。。
? ? great again
The merchants have no law-enforcing authority. It is a lot more difficult
for them to enforce their own store's mask mandate. Anyone who breaks a
store's mask mandate pretty much has no consequence, and everyone knows
that too. So no one will take a store's mask mandate too serious simply
there is not consequence.
【 在 GoLost (GoLost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 放权给个人，商家自行决定，贯彻宪法精神，绝大部分地方都是要求戴口罩进入的，不
: 知道你们激动个啥。。。
Yeah, been a year, by now, most of the people know what to do.
【 在 GoLost (GoLost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 放权给个人，商家自行决定，贯彻宪法精神，绝大部分地方都是要求戴口罩进入的，不
: 知道你们激动个啥。。。
You can always kick out customers if they break your dress code.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: The merchants have no law-enforcing authority. It is a lot more difficult
: for them to enforce their own store's mask mandate. Anyone who breaks a
: store's mask mandate pretty much has no consequence, and everyone knows
: that too. So no one will take a store's mask mandate too serious simply
: there is not consequence.
Yes, but it is more difficult to do that individually than systematically.
Plus, by the time a merchant spends so much time to get the police to help, in some cases, many other customers have been exposed to that guy, and some of them might just leave and the merchant will just lose the potential
business.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: You can always kick out customers if they break your dress code.
Costco mandated masks before many states doing so, and they are doing fine.
On the other hand, if you want to have maskless costumer in your store and
don't care about losing other costumer that wants a mask mandate in your
store, why not just drop the mask mandate?
It's people's own choice what level of protection they want for covid. Many people doesn't care about catching it. Many people had it already and won't care. Many people has taken the vaccine and won't care.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: Yes, but it is more difficult to do that individually than systematically.: Plus, by the time a merchant spends so much time to get the police to help,
: in some cases, many other customers have been exposed to that guy, and
some
: of them might just leave and the merchant will just lose the potential
: business.
Costco is big, and they have tens of employees working at the same time.
Some stores have only a few people working, and handling mask-related
affairs is not easy for them.
If you drop the mask mandate, some customers who want the mandate will not
come to your store, you will lose those customers too. So when it is up to the merchants, no matter what the merchants choose, some potential customers will not be happy and choose to shop somewhere else. When there is a
systematic mandate, merchants don't need to face this dilemma.
Right, many people don't care, and that's the stem of the problem. There
are people who care and, unfortunately, will be affected by those who don't care. We just care too much about ourselves and don't want to sacrifice
just a little bit to help our fellow community members. Wearing mask is not such a big sacrifice; after all, we have been used to it after many months.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: Costco mandated masks before many states doing so, and they are doing fine.
: On the other hand, if you want to have maskless costumer in your store and
: don't care about losing other costumer that wants a mask mandate in your
: store, why not just drop the mask mandate?
: It's people's own choice what level of protection they want for covid.
Many
: people doesn't care about catching it. Many people had it already and won't
: care. Many people has taken the vaccine and won't care.
: ,
: some
早该开放了，加州州长还没下台吗？脸皮真够厚的！
Newsom is exasperated because he himself has been already under enormous
pressure to reopen. Now TX is going to reopen, so the pressure on him will be even more. At this time, I think/feel he wants to reopen, but there is
also a lot of resistance, especially from hard-hit areas.
行百里者半九十
老美不懂这个梗
Don't EVER mandate other people to do things to protect you! If you want to be protected, stay at home. Or wear a hazmat suit when you meet others.
Now the vaccine will be available very soon to everyone. Just wait for your turn, take the vaccine, and do whatever you want.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: Costco is big, and they have tens of employees working at the same time. : Some stores have only a few people working, and handling mask-related
: affairs is not easy for them.
: If you drop the mask mandate, some customers who want the mandate will not
: come to your store, you will lose those customers too. So when it is up
to
: the merchants, no matter what the merchants choose, some potential
customers
: will not be happy and choose to shop somewhere else. When there is a
: systematic mandate, merchants don't need to face this dilemma.
: Right, many people don't care, and that's the stem of the problem. There : are people who care and, unfortunately, will be affected by those who don't
: ...................
People like you just think of "me".
Other than "me", we also need to think about the other ones and protect them
. Obviously the vulnerable ones cannot really isolate themselves from the
rest of the society. They need to buy food to eat, they need to see doctors
. I lost a friend of mine who is a formal colleague on 1/8 to covid. He
retired just a year and a half ago, but we were still in touch with hundreds of text messages. He is Caucasian, but since last February he agreed with me that mask could help, even when CDC did not encourage normal people to
wear them, and he had been very careful to not get infected. However, as I said, he had to go shopping and visit doctors. The last three weeks of his life, I was not able to get in touch with him. About a week before his
passing away, I sent him text messages in two separate days to him and did
not get reply from him. I was hoping that his phone was damaged or
something like that. People like that, we as a society must do our part,
even if it means we need to make some sacrifice, to help and protect them. It is not just me, me, me.
You might be young and healthy and therefore can afford to be reckless and "brave". There are millions out there who might get infected not because of their own fault. Are you so cold-blooded to just tell them to stay home and starve to death? Are you telling them not to see their doctors for over a year? Imagine those are your parents or grandparents.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: Don't EVER mandate other people to do things to protect you! If you want
to
: be protected, stay at home. Or wear a hazmat suit when you meet others.
: Now the vaccine will be available very soon to everyone. Just wait for
your
: turn, take the vaccine, and do whatever you want.
: to
: customers
: t
If your friend cared about his health that much, why don't he have ALL
groceries delivered, and visit doctors online? I have many friends at 70+,
and they have everything delivered and literally didn't step out their homes for months. I also have friends that are 70+, fully understand the risk of infection, and go about their lives as normal (except following any
government mandate/rules of course).
We can be empathetic about others. I wear masks in the public all the times. I donated an air purifier for my kid's school. BUT YOU CAN'T MANDATE people to be considerate about others. Or it at least should pass legislature like the seat belt's law. It's been a year! If Covid is SO important, why NO
legislature in the US ever made a mask mandate law? Because it's NOT popular. Because MAJORITY of people does NOT want government to mandate them to do the right thing.
Many data have shown that regions with or without mask mandate have very
similar infection rates and death rates from covid. It's not mask that aren't effective. It's the MANDATE that's not effective!
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: People like you just think of "me".
: Other than "me", we also need to think about the other ones and protect
them
: . Obviously the vulnerable ones cannot really isolate themselves from the
: rest of the society. They need to buy food to eat, they need to see
doctors
: . I lost a friend of mine who is a formal colleague on 1/8 to covid. He : retired just a year and a half ago, but we were still in touch with
hundreds
: of text messages. He is Caucasian, but since last February he agreed
with
: me that mask could help, even when CDC did not encourage normal people to : wear them, and he had been very careful to not get infected. However, as I
: said, he had to go shopping and visit doctors. The last three weeks of
his
: ...................
Do you think everyone can afford food delivery? (Don't tell me they can
just go to the bank to get the money.) Do you think all doctor's visits are for minor things that can be done online? Do you think they can have an X-ray or CAT at home?
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: If your friend cared about his health that much, why don't he have ALL
: groceries delivered, and visit doctors online? I have many friends at 70+,
: and they have everything delivered and literally didn't step out their
homes
: for months. I also have friends that are 70+, fully understand the risk
of
: infection, and go about their lives as normal (except following any
: government mandate/rules of course).
: We can be empathetic about others. I wear masks in the public all the
times.
: I donated an air purifier for my kid's school. BUT YOU CAN'T MANDATE
people
: to be considerate about others. Or it at least should pass legislature
like
: the seat belt's law. It's been a year! If Covid is SO important, why NO
: ...................
This is capitalism society. If you can't afford to live, DIE!
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: Do you think everyone can afford food delivery? (Don't tell me they can
: just go to the bank to get the money.) Do you think all doctor's visits
are
: for minor things that can be done online? Do you think they can have an X-
: ray or CAT at home?
: homes
: of
: times.
: people
: like
Data shows waht it is, but data does not explain why. Data shows there is
no covid or covid death on the moon, and there is no mask mandate on the
moon, does that prove "no mask mandate" means no infection or death?
If you already make up your mind, already have a conclusion, you can always cherry pick data to support your claim. Tell me, those data that shows low infection and low death rates, are they for overpopulated places like Boston, NYC or LA city? Don't compare no-mask-mandate in the middle of nowhere to mask-mandate in LA. They are not comparable by nature.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: If your friend cared about his health that much, why don't he have ALL
: groceries delivered, and visit doctors online? I have many friends at 70+,
: and they have everything delivered and literally didn't step out their
homes
: for months. I also have friends that are 70+, fully understand the risk
of
: infection, and go about their lives as normal (except following any
: government mandate/rules of course).
: We can be empathetic about others. I wear masks in the public all the
times.
: I donated an air purifier for my kid's school. BUT YOU CAN'T MANDATE
people
: to be considerate about others. Or it at least should pass legislature
like
: the seat belt's law. It's been a year! If Covid is SO important, why NO
: ...................
Michigan: population 9.987 million, area 96,716 mi^2
Georgia: population 10.62 million, area 59,425 mi^2
Michigan: strict lockdown, mandate mask, 16,580 covid deaths
Georgia: lockdown lifted since April 2020, and never a second lockdown, no
mask mandate, 17,198 covid deaths
There are no two states that are perfectly the same. So you can always say I'm comparing apples with oranges of course.
However, you should understand, what's effective is mask itself. Although
Georgia does not have a state-wide mandate, people around me have 90%+ mask wearing rate. You don't need to be mandated to have empathy for others.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: Data shows waht it is, but data does not explain why. Data shows there is
: no covid or covid death on the moon, and there is no mask mandate on the
: moon, does that prove "no mask mandate" means no infection or death?
: If you already make up your mind, already have a conclusion, you can
always
: cherry pick data to support your claim. Tell me, those data that shows
low
: infection and low death rates, are they for overpopulated places like
Boston
: , NYC or LA city? Don't compare no-mask-mandate in the middle of nowhere to
: mask-mandate in LA. They are not comparable by nature.
: homes
: of
: ...................
Overall population density might not be that important, as long as both are some distance from being overpopulated. It is more important when it is
close to or is overpopulated. If you look at the few metro areas with most the deaths in Michigan and Georgia, what about their population density?
Anyway, I don't know their data too much. I know LA's data better since it is more relevant to me. In early January, we had reached ICU capacity. If we did not have lock down, the number of covid patients who needed to be
admitted to ICU would be probably higher by hundreds or even a thousand.
But there was no extra ICU for them, so most of them might be just told to
stay home, and a good percentage of them would just die. I am jsut happy
that we here had the lock down, though it has never been strict.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: Michigan: population 9.987 million, area 96,716 mi^2
: Georgia: population 10.62 million, area 59,425 mi^2
: Michigan: strict lockdown, mandate mask, 16,580 covid deaths
: Georgia: lockdown lifted since April 2020, and never a second lockdown, no
: mask mandate, 17,198 covid deaths
: There are no two states that are perfectly the same. So you can always say I
: 'm comparing apples with oranges of course.
: However, you should understand, what's effective is mask itself. Although : Georgia does not have a state-wide mandate, people around me have 90%+
mask
: wearing rate. You don't need to be mandated to have empathy for others.
: ...................
You are so cool.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: This is capitalism society. If you can't afford to live, DIE!
: are
: X-
I take it as a compliment. Thank you!
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: You are so cool.
This is the type of argument I would like to engage in. Thought heated, and there might be some sarcasm, but there is no name calling or insulting
language. Hard to find people like this to argue with on this board.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: I take it as a compliment. Thank you!
Thank you.
【 在 FortyNiner (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: This is the type of argument I would like to engage in. Thought heated,
and
: there might be some sarcasm, but there is no name calling or insulting
: language. Hard to find people like this to argue with on this board.
likewise to you.
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: Thank you.
: and
It’s a way to push people to get vaccinated.