AZ法院命令随机抽查100张选票,发现3%是fraud

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milkmyduds
楼主 (未名空间)

如果全部查一遍,这个3%的问题都存在,甚至更多,那AZ属于谁还不一定
现在你们知道所谓的recount屁用也没有了吧

但是打官司还是有用的,法院如果命令每一张选票都检查,就能看出问题
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-claims-ballot-review-
found-voided-trump-votes-asks-to-inspect-thousands-more/ar-BB1bzqFx

In her initial filing, Ward questioned the signature verification process
used to authenticate mail-in ballots, as well as the duplication process
election officials use to count ballots that tabulation machines couldn't
read. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Randall Warner allowed her to
inspect 100 mail-in ballots and 100 duplicate ballots in response, arguing
the limited sample would be "enough to let us know if there's a red flag."

One original ballot contained what "was clearly a vote for Trump," but the "duplicate ballot switched the vote to Biden," he wrote in the court filing. Another ballot "was clearly a vote only for Trump, but the duplicate ballot had a vote for both Trump and a 'blank' write-in candidate." That caused the Trump vote to be canceled, Wilenchik wrote, since voters could only choose one candidate in the presidential race.

But the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors stepped in later in the day to announce it would voluntarily provide up to 2,500 more ballots for
inspection "to ensure confidence in the election results," rendering a court order unnecessary.

Interesting start. If the same trend holds in that larger batch they get,
you can probably be confident Trump will get the state.
p
phoenixLight

How much can you trust it? Don't know. Just wait for the courts' verdict. If the courts take it, I will believe it. As of now, I am not giving
trumpers any credit, given their record, until courts give it credit.

s
secondwite

this is one of the rare cases that sounds possibly true and would also
have an impact for the case.

The only problem, the DOW did not dive 1000 points with this tweet,
so, at least, the wall street did not believe that it is true

【 在 milkmyduds (奶我头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果全部查一遍,这个3%的问题都存在,甚至更多,那AZ属于谁还不一定
: 现在你们知道所谓的recount屁用也没有了吧
: 但是打官司还是有用的,法院如果命令每一张选票都检查,就能看出问题
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-claims-ballot-review-
: found-voided-trump-votes-asks-to-inspect-thousands-more/ar-BB1bzqFx
: In her initial filing, Ward questioned the signature verification process : used to authenticate mail-in ballots, as well as the duplication process
: election officials use to count ballots that tabulation machines couldn't : read. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Randall Warner allowed her to
: inspect 100 mail-in ballots and 100 duplicate ballots in response, arguing
: ...................

p
phoenixLight

So the key is, again, trumpers, it is very important for you trumpers to
make big donations so that trump can hire better lawyers to win the cases in courts. Everything else is just BS and lip service.
l
lilyamao2

查,赶紧捐款,使劲查,老娘作为民主党粉坚决支持。

【 在 milkmyduds (奶我头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果全部查一遍,这个3%的问题都存在,甚至更多,那AZ属于谁还不一定
: 现在你们知道所谓的recount屁用也没有了吧
: 但是打官司还是有用的,法院如果命令每一张选票都检查,就能看出问题
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-claims-ballot-review-
: found-voided-trump-votes-asks-to-inspect-thousands-more/ar-BB1bzqFx
: In her initial filing, Ward questioned the signature verification process : used to authenticate mail-in ballots, as well as the duplication process
: election officials use to count ballots that tabulation machines couldn't : read. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Randall Warner allowed her to
: inspect 100 mail-in ballots and 100 duplicate ballots in response, arguing
: ...................

p
phoenixLight

Sounds very compelling evidence, but is it holding water?
r
robertfrost

真理越辩越明。抽查越多,便越能知道mail-in ballot问题多多。
p
phoenixLight

Sounds very compelling evidence, but is it holding water?
l
lilyamao2

妈拉个巴子,老川先说tainted (就是选票上有点脏,100人工选票又三张有点脏很正常吧, 然后转发的就说是fraudulent, 然后再转发的就是这3%都是老川的选票被改了,
老川应该在AZ赢多少多少

一帮骗钱的律师加白痴川粉,每次上法庭就认怂,在台下就打着第一修正法案的理由任意造谣,恐吓,威胁,妥妥的人渣!

你们信你们就查啊,不要捐少了,要学那个气吐血的川粉,捐250万,把身价性命都捐
给你们川大神,才叫虔诚。

每天看着你们这帮川猪头无脑儿,都觉得很开心。
【 在 milkmyduds (奶我头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果全部查一遍,这个3%的问题都存在,甚至更多,那AZ属于谁还不一定
: 现在你们知道所谓的recount屁用也没有了吧
: 但是打官司还是有用的,法院如果命令每一张选票都检查,就能看出问题
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-claims-ballot-review-
: found-voided-trump-votes-asks-to-inspect-thousands-more/ar-BB1bzqFx
: In her initial filing, Ward questioned the signature verification process : used to authenticate mail-in ballots, as well as the duplication process
: election officials use to count ballots that tabulation machines couldn't : read. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Randall Warner allowed her to
: inspect 100 mail-in ballots and 100 duplicate ballots in response, arguing
: ...................

a
alter

这个原文中提到的是100张duplicates 里面有2张有问题。duplicate ballots 是有些
坏票机器不能读取时,人工再换张好票写一遍。这时工人可能有意无意的做假。不是所有的选票,而是看有多少duplicate ballots.
【 在 milkmyduds (奶我头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果全部查一遍,这个3%的问题都存在,甚至更多,那AZ属于谁还不一定
: 现在你们知道所谓的recount屁用也没有了吧
: 但是打官司还是有用的,法院如果命令每一张选票都检查,就能看出问题
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-claims-ballot-review-
: found-voided-trump-votes-asks-to-inspect-thousands-more/ar-BB1bzqFx
: In her initial filing, Ward questioned the signature verification process : used to authenticate mail-in ballots, as well as the duplication process
: election officials use to count ballots that tabulation machines couldn't : read. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Randall Warner allowed her to
: inspect 100 mail-in ballots and 100 duplicate ballots in response, arguing
: ...................

g
goodby

选票或答卷tainted 是有点脏的意思?你懂英文吗?

【 在 lilyamao2 (lilyamao2) 的大作中提到: 】
: 妈拉个巴子,老川先说tainted (就是选票上有点脏,100人工选票又三张有点脏很正常
: 吧, 然后转发的就说是fraudulent, 然后再转发的就是这3%都是老川的选票被改了,
: 老川应该在AZ赢多少多少
: 一帮骗钱的律师加白痴川粉,每次上法庭就认怂,在台下就打着第一修正法案的理由任
: 意造谣,恐吓,威胁,妥妥的人渣!
: 你们信你们就查啊,不要捐少了,要学那个气吐血的川粉,捐250万,把身价性命都捐
: 给你们川大神,才叫虔诚。
: 每天看着你们这帮川猪头无脑儿,都觉得很开心。

A
ABCNBC

算下来在AZ, 川普被偷去9万票
g
goodby

确认有改票行为无论多少张都应该作废这个投票站的选票,因为证实了选务人员参与做票,选举无法公正。

x
xiaoxu

exactly

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: So the key is, again, trumpers, it is very important for you trumpers to
: make big donations so that trump can hire better lawyers to win the cases in
: courts. Everything else is just BS and lip service.

a
alter

你这是故意不识数,跟你们川大一样。100 张 duplicate ballots 发现两张。一转手
,到了川瞎话那里成了3 %所有票了。
【 在 ABCNBC (小李飞刀) 的大作中提到: 】
: 算下来在AZ, 川普被偷去9万票

m
milkmyduds

尼玛五毛真不懂英文,叔来帮你翻译
叔也读完了全文,里面解释了ballot duplication protocolhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-claims-ballot-review-
found-voided-trump-votes-asks-to-inspect-thousands-more/ar-BB1bzqFx

随机抽查100张

一张是damaged ballot, 所以工作人员按规程复制一张,照理说,原来的damaged
ballot上投谁,复制出来这张就应该投谁,但是在复制过程中,工作人员把原先
damanged ballot上投trump改成了biden

另一张是投了trump,但是有个blank write in也被check, 所以这张选票被机器认为无效。这个blank write in到底是怎么回事,难说。是选民不小心多涂了个圈?还是工作人员知道漏洞给涂了?这个还需要进一步调查

叔觉着JB既然赢了,就不要怕每张选票都audit一遍
这样才赢的有底气

如果随机抽查就出这些问题,如果全面检查呢?是否仍然有3%的选票有问题? 甚至更
多?

有意思的是,出问题的都是trump选票
如果每张票都audit一遍,我想知道有多少biden的票被“无意间”改成了trump的

【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你这是故意不识数,跟你们川大一样。100 张 duplicate ballots 发现两张。一转手
: ,到了川瞎话那里成了3 %所有票了。

a
alter

你做为川傻起码学点英语吧?这是你贴的原文。"it was among the duplicate
ballots", 就是说在100张 duplicate ballots 里面发现两张有问题的。你可以去看看这个主席tweets 原文。到你们川大瞎话嘴里,成了全部票数的3%了。你中学数学是体
育老师教的吧?

It was among the duplicate ballots where inspectors found problems of "
serious concern," according to a Wednesday filing from Arizona GOP lawyer
Jack Wilenchik.
【 在 milkmyduds (奶我头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 尼玛五毛真不懂英文,叔来帮你翻译
: 叔也读完了全文,里面解释了ballot duplication protocol
: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-claims-ballot-review-
: found-voided-trump-votes-asks-to-inspect-thousands-more/ar-BB1bzqFx
: 随机抽查100张
: 一张是damaged ballot, 所以工作人员按规程复制一张,照理说,原来的damaged
: ballot上投谁,复制出来这张就应该投谁,但是在复制过程中,工作人员把原先
: damanged ballot上投trump改成了biden
: 另一张是投了trump,但是有个blank write in也被check, 所以这张选票被机器认为无
: 效。这个blank write in到底是怎么回事,难说。是选民不小心多涂了个圈?还是工作
: ...................

f
fishingarden

如果那张床铺的选票被作废了是两趴。可是那张床铺的改成了毛腿的,所以舞弊导致的差距是三趴啊。

我都解释三遍了,你还不明白。智商真低。。。。

【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你做为川傻起码学点英语吧?这是你贴的原文。"it was among the duplicate
: ballots", 就是说在100张 duplicate ballots 里面发现两张有问题的。你可以去看看
: 这个主席tweets 原文。到你们川大瞎话嘴里,成了全部票数的3%了。你中学数学是体
: 育老师教的吧?
: It was among the duplicate ballots where inspectors found problems of "
: serious concern," according to a Wednesday filing from Arizona GOP lawyer : Jack Wilenchik.

i
idong360

math is racist.

【 在 fishingarden (Edward Blum门下老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果那张床铺的选票被作废了是两趴。可是那张床铺的改成了毛腿的,所以舞弊导致的
: 差距是三趴啊。
:
: 我都解释三遍了,你还不明白。智商真低。。。。
:
: 【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 你做为川傻起码学点英语吧?这是你贴的原文。"it was among the duplicate
: : ballots", 就是说在100张 duplicate ballots 里面发现两张有问题的。你可以去看看
: : 这个主席tweets 原文。到你们川大瞎话嘴里,成了全部票数的3%了。你中学数学
是体
: : 育老师教的吧?
: : It was among the duplicate ballots where inspectors found problems of "
: : serious concern," according to a Wednesday filing from Arizona GOP
lawyer
: : Jack Wilenchik.
a
alter

你是学哲学的吧?我说了4遍计算的总数是那些重填的duplicate ballots, 不是所有
voted ballots. 你故意拿所有票的总数来算,当然数字巨大。你以为这点小伎俩,法
官看不出吗?
当然你们川粉的智商跟你们川大瞎话一样。睁眼说瞎话一个顶三个。所以是3%.

【 在 fishingarden (Edward Blum门下老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果那张床铺的选票被作废了是两趴。可是那张床铺的改成了毛腿的,所以舞弊导致的
: 差距是三趴啊。
: 我都解释三遍了,你还不明白。智商真低。。。。

c
cnus

DOJ和FBI要多黑有多黑
p
potassium

see, guys, this is the pattern for the typical left, they are so brain
washed that they don't even have any critical thinking skills, zero, zilch, nada.

they have to let other so called "authorities" tell them how to think, give it fake news or fake science.

isn't this pathetic?

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: How much can you trust it? Don't know. Just wait for the courts' verdict.
: If the courts take it, I will believe it. As of now, I am not giving
: trumpers any credit, given their record, until courts give it credit.

t
tran299

总共27000张duplicate ballots, 川胖可以 pick up 540张票,while he lost
Arizona by 10,487 votes

【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个原文中提到的是100张duplicates 里面有2张有问题。duplicate ballots 是有些
: 坏票机器不能读取时,人工再换张好票写一遍。这时工人可能有意无意的做假。不是所
: 有的选票,而是看有多少duplicate ballots.

p
phoenixLight

You are so self-authoritive. Tell me that you don't care about the court's verdict. And is that why you can claim trump already won, regardless what
the courts say? You even don't take the elector college serious, right?
Can I timidly ask if trump is your authority? BRAVE GUY?

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: see, guys, this is the pattern for the typical left, they are so brain
: washed that they don't even have any critical thinking skills, zero, zilch,
: nada.
: they have to let other so called "authorities" tell them how to think,
give
: it fake news or fake science.
: isn't this pathetic?
: .

p
potassium

well it appears to me, you don't even have bottom line basics to tell what
is the right thing to do. And for those, you don't rely on the authority to tell you, supposedly.

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: You are so self-authoritive. Tell me that you don't care about the court's
: verdict. And is that why you can claim trump already won, regardless what
: the courts say? You even don't take the elector college serious, right? : Can I timidly ask if trump is your authority? BRAVE GUY?
: ,
: give

c
cnus

这只是一个类别的voter fraud, 还有很多其他选票问题,说不定更多更大比例

【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你是学哲学的吧?我说了4遍计算的总数是那些重填的duplicate ballots, 不是所有: voted ballots. 你故意拿所有票的总数来算,当然数字巨大。你以为这点小伎俩,法
: 官看不出吗?
: 当然你们川粉的智商跟你们川大瞎话一样。睁眼说瞎话一个顶三个。所以是3%.

m
milkmyduds

对啊,为啥只抽查duplicates
应该全部抽查一下啊

哦?信封已经被扔了没法查了?lol

【 在 tran299(熟道勇释放很少) 的大作中提到: 】

: 总共27000张duplicate ballots, 川胖可以 pick up 540张票,while he lost
: Arizona by 10,487 votes

p
phoenixLight

Hey big guy. Can you give us a few anecdotes on how you defy authority to
enlighten us? You know, without big "leaked news", it is such a slow day
for trumpers and non-trumpers. Tell us how you drive 150 MPH on the freeway
. Did you tell the COP to go f.ck himself? Did you tear the ticket in
front of him? Oh, I know, you just simply ignore the siren and sped away. Wow! How about tax? Do you pay your income tax? Did you tell IRS to f.ck off? I want to see how they react cowardly in front of you, you know, I
always hate them taking away my money. How about buying stuff in the store? How can you not pay the sales tax? I want to do that too, can you tell me the secret?

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: well it appears to me, you don't even have bottom line basics to tell what
: is the right thing to do. And for those, you don't rely on the authority
to
: tell you, supposedly.
: s

p
phoenixLight

My bottom line is, if the courts take the evidence, I trust it. If they
courts do not, I don't trust it. I trust them 90%, at least. It looks like you are the opposite of me.

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: well it appears to me, you don't even have bottom line basics to tell what
: is the right thing to do. And for those, you don't rely on the authority
to
: tell you, supposedly.
: s

m
milkmyduds

左臂们闭口不谈为何只抽查复制票
而且,是否复制票里也有不符合签名对比的,e.g fraud ballots

启动你们的critical thinking

p
potassium

sure, maybe you can start to watch/read something else other than abc?

only watching abc will do you no good, you know.

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: Hey big guy. Can you give us a few anecdotes on how you defy authority to
: enlighten us? You know, without big "leaked news", it is such a slow day : for trumpers and non-trumpers. Tell us how you drive 150 MPH on the
freeway
: . Did you tell the COP to go f.ck himself? Did you tear the ticket in
: front of him? Oh, I know, you just simply ignore the siren and sped away.
: Wow! How about tax? Do you pay your income tax? Did you tell IRS to f.
ck
: off? I want to see how they react cowardly in front of you, you know, I
: always hate them taking away my money. How about buying stuff in the
store?
: How can you not pay the sales tax? I want to do that too, can you tell me
: the secret?
: ...................

p
phoenixLight

I need you to tell us how you defy authority. Did you really do the ones I said? No kidding? I was just bullshitting, I didn't think you actually did them. You really did them? Wow, you are my new idol. I respect you 100
times more than I respect Trump. Go f.ck Trump. I will say Potassium for
president.

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: sure, maybe you can start to watch/read something else other than abc?
: only watching abc will do you no good, you know.
: freeway
:
: ck
: store?
: me

p
phoenixLight

You meant, if you tell me that Trump was just sodomized by Biden last night, then I need to use my critical thinking to tell the DC police to arrest or investigate Biden? I need to know if what you tell me is true, right? I
need to use critical thinking to tell if you are telling the true first,
right? Since you trumpers, maybe not specifically you, have told too many
lies, I even don't bother using critical thinking to check if you are
telling the truth.

【 在 milkmyduds (奶我头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 左臂们闭口不谈为何只抽查复制票
: 而且,是否复制票里也有不符合签名对比的,e.g fraud ballots
: 启动你们的critical thinking

p
potassium

so, you are asking someone to tell you how not to follow authority...

i mean, isn't that already proving my point?

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: I need you to tell us how you defy authority. Did you really do the ones I
: said? No kidding? I was just bullshitting, I didn't think you actually
did
: them. You really did them? Wow, you are my new idol. I respect you 100
: times more than I respect Trump. Go f.ck Trump. I will say Potassium for
: president.

p
phoenixLight

You said not to listen to authority. I thought that was what you had been
doing. I thought I was about to see my new idol. Are you going to
disappoint me, again?

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: so, you are asking someone to tell you how not to follow authority...
: i mean, isn't that already proving my point?
: I
: did

p
potassium

can you think for yourself w/o authority telling you how to think?

this is a question.

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: You said not to listen to authority. I thought that was what you had been
: doing. I thought I was about to see my new idol. Are you going to
: disappoint me, again?

p
phoenixLight

I was talking about evidence. I said I trust the evidence if the courts do. I am no law expert. You were telling me that I don't need to wait for the authority to tell me what to trust. What exactly did you imply? What else did you mean?

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: can you think for yourself w/o authority telling you how to think?
: this is a question.

p
potassium

i don't know why this is so hard, again, let me ask you one more time.

you are talking about evidence right? imagine yourself as a jury.

based on what you read, what you see, from all possible sources, with
reasonable common sense, are you capable of deducting a reasonable judgement by yourself, no matter what other so called authority tell you otherwise?

this gonna help you in a long run, young man.

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: I was talking about evidence. I said I trust the evidence if the courts
do.
: I am no law expert. You were telling me that I don't need to wait for
the
: authority to tell me what to trust. What exactly did you imply? What
else
: did you mean?

w
wewill2009


完整的数学在这里
实际是小学数学
可惜是川普犯了几个大错,让信徒们传来传去

【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个原文中提到的是100张duplicates 里面有2张有问题。duplicate ballots 是有些
: 坏票机器不能读取时,人工再换张好票写一遍。这时工人可能有意无意的做假。不是所
: 有的选票,而是看有多少duplicate ballots.

完全同意你

他们引用的都是川普的数字,3%
川普的原话是:“In Arizona, it turns out that 3% of the votes cast in the
100 count vote sampling were tainted or worse. This would be, if carried
forward, approximately 90,000”

terrible math there!

同样,我一开始也发现了那个3%的问题,和指责它们都是故意作假的问题
90,000更是莫名奇妙
但是这里的铁传粉会宁愿假装那些数字都没大错

川普方喜欢选择性提及甚至夸大通常是人工的错误
他们从来都故意不提这些:有些不利于川普的错误其实是在深红区犯的,有些不利于拜登的错误是在深红去犯的
georgia的hand-recount audit有所有郡的2次计票的差别,对双方不利的都有相当多,抵消后只差496票(而且一般来说,人口计票比机器计票更不准)

实际就是2%的复制票出了对川普不利的问题(如果有对拜登不利的情况,他们肯定也不会提)
有一个被废
因此两个候选人差距改变了差不多是2%+1%=3%(但是这不是trump说的意思,川普说那
100票里有3%有错)
(比如,一票给第3方,川对拜出了错时是40/99:58/99,改正后是42/100:57/100,
差距是18/99-15%=3.181818181%)

Maricopa选票占了整个州的(1040774+995665)/(1672143+1661186)=61.1%

如果对川普不利的复制票错误率是2%,而且出错情况分布也不变(造成双方摆动了18/
99-15%=3.181818181%)
而且如果复制票率是Maricopa的那样,也就是28000/(1040774+995665)=1.374949114%那么复制票造成的误差是0.04374838091%
跟3%相差68.6倍
而现在2个候选人之间相差0.25%(1万多票),高出6倍
这种复制票问题改变不了总体结果

https://ktar.com/story/3726561/2500-ballots-to-be-inspected-in-suit-by-
arizona-gop-chief-ward/

among the nearly 28,000 ballots in Maricopa County that were duplicated by
elections officials because voters’ earlier ballots were damaged or couldn
’t be tabulated.

https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_
paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race#:~:text=A%202012%20study%
20by%20Rice,change%20in%20their%20finally%20tally.

A 2012 study by Rice University and Clemson University found that “hand
counting of votes in postelection audit or recount procedures can result in
error rates of up to 2 percent.”
w
wewill2009


【 在 milkmyduds (奶我头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 左臂们闭口不谈为何只抽查复制票

复制票是机器不能读的票

没有证据是机器也在如你们所说有造假
在法庭上也没见任何突破

georgia对机器作了hand-count audit,2次计票相差不大

: 而且,是否复制票里也有不符合签名对比的,e.g fraud ballots
: 启动你们的critical thinking

p
phoenixLight

You are assuming I am a juror who has seen ample of evidences and both sides of the story. I am not, and I don't have time. So I will just wait for
the court's verdict. I admit that I don't know enough to make a decision,
but at least I am not pretending that I know the whole story and then try to convince others that I am right.

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: i don't know why this is so hard, again, let me ask you one more time.
: you are talking about evidence right? imagine yourself as a jury.
: based on what you read, what you see, from all possible sources, with
: reasonable common sense, are you capable of deducting a reasonable
judgement
: by yourself, no matter what other so called authority tell you otherwise?: this gonna help you in a long run, young man.
: do.
: the
: else

p
potassium

i am assuming you don't have critical thinking skills.
you have plenty of time, you just don't have this particular skill.

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: You are assuming I am a juror who has seen ample of evidences and both
sides
: of the story. I am not, and I don't have time. So I will just wait for : the court's verdict. I admit that I don't know enough to make a decision,
: but at least I am not pretending that I know the whole story and then try to
: convince others that I am right.
: judgement

w
wewill2009


if there is any major dispute, you can settle it in the courts of law

this is not the place to win your case when you try very hard to be the
plaintiffs, the judges, the prosecutors, and the juries, whenever you feel
convenient!

the fact is
that trump people spent millions of dollars, winning no major case

arguing for the sake of argument is no use

p
potassium

again the purpose is about great awakening. expose all the corruption in
every element in the federal/local government.

and trump has been very successful to achieve this goal so far.

【 在 wewill2009 (daluobe) 的大作中提到: 】
: if there is any major dispute, you can settle it in the courts of law
: this is not the place to win your case when you try very hard to be the
: plaintiffs, the judges, the prosecutors, and the juries, whenever you feel
: convenient!
: the fact is
: that trump people spent millions of dollars, winning no major case
: arguing for the sake of argument is no use

p
phoenixLight

whatever you say to make you feel proud, I don't give a hoot. I can say the exact same thing to you too, but I just don't bother. But you did let me
down. I thought I had found my new idol. So have you done those things I
mentioned a couple posts back?

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: i am assuming you don't have critical thinking skills.
: you have plenty of time, you just don't have this particular skill.
: sides
: to

p
potassium

it is not about me, it is about you, think about it.

【 在 phoenixLight (Niner) 的大作中提到: 】
: whatever you say to make you feel proud, I don't give a hoot. I can say
the
: exact same thing to you too, but I just don't bother. But you did let me
: down. I thought I had found my new idol. So have you done those things I
: mentioned a couple posts back?

p
peacemind2

争论这个3%的含义其实意义没有那么大,说清楚就完了。但是为什么出错的都是减少川普的票增加白等的票呢?
10几万的typo,6000票的人为还是软件计票,AZ的随机抽查,为什么都是一个方向的错误?

p
phoenixLight

yeah, it's about MY idol. Are you still my idol? Come on, it's not that
difficult. Just tell me if you have done those I mentioned. Yes or no?

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: it is not about me, it is about you, think about it.
: the

w
wishee

因为只有川粉一遍遍嚷嚷。

比如WI recount后发现之前少计了biden的票,这事你有印象吗

【 在 peacemind2 (土豆) 的大作中提到: 】
: 争论这个3%的含义其实意义没有那么大,说清楚就完了。但是为什么出错的都是减少川
: 普的票增加白等的票呢?
: 10几万的typo,6000票的人为还是软件计票,AZ的随机抽查,为什么都是一个方向的错
: 误?

w
wewill2009


【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: again the purpose is about great awakening. expose all the corruption in
: every element in the federal/local government.
: and trump has been very successful to achieve this goal so far.

most people are not trump supporters
they don't believe the above
many of them actually think that some die-hard trump fans are sore losers

some trump supporters are not convinced by those, either

p
phoenixLight

Your neighbor, Magnesium, told me that you have never done anything I
mentioned a few posts back. Is it true? Was she lying? Is it why it is so difficult for you to say No? I hate her, she broke my beautiful bubble
dream. Do you notice that I use this term "beautiful" a lot? I learn it
from Trump.

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: it is not about me, it is about you, think about it.
: the

w
wewill2009


【 在 peacemind2 (土豆) 的大作中提到: 】
: 争论这个3%的含义其实意义没有那么大,说清楚就完了。但是为什么出错的都是减少川
: 普的票增加白等的票呢?
: 10几万的typo,6000票的人为还是软件计票,AZ的随机抽查,为什么都是一个方向的错
: 误?

conception is not always reality

some concepts were made based on half-truths or misinformation or a biased
or partial presentation of facts

a typo was not official or final or certified number
every county has its own official/certified number, and the number is public

if trump people saw any error unfavorable to biden, they wouldn't mention it

check georgia's county-level numbers of its hand-recount audit, there were a lot of errors unfavorable to biden also, some made in deep blue counties,
some in deep red counties

p
peacemind2

我没有。我可能有偏见,有的时候川粉会因为偏见发表一些没有那么准确的话,但是如果仔细观察大选日计票的过程以及后面的传出的事情,大选没有大规模舞弊就是有鬼了。
你可以自诩客观公正,像法官一样索要网友提供证据。但是普通网友也不是司法机构,司法机构不作为,证明舞弊规模到几万票除非去核查,很难有直接证据。。律师没有强力的调查手段,就这样,听证会也暴露了很多很多的证人。

对了,最近爆出的 MI作证者被杀手开枪差点打死的录像看到没有? 家门口的摄像头。可以找找,你可以选择不相信。

【 在 wishee (温顺的野猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 因为只有川粉一遍遍嚷嚷。
: 比如WI recount后发现之前少计了biden的票,这事你有印象吗

p
phoenixLight

sounds like you trumpers are something. You will be just stampeded by time into the dirt in at most a year or two. Don't believe? Just come back in a year or two and see if you still remember you were once a trumper.

【 在 potassium (镇) 的大作中提到: 】
: again the purpose is about great awakening. expose all the corruption in
: every element in the federal/local government.
: and trump has been very successful to achieve this goal so far.

p
phoenixLight

You decide what you want to believe and live with it. You make your own
decision, and I make mine. You think like that because you are still young. Don't be offended, it is not derogatory. I have been like that. Time has transformed me.

【 在 peacemind2 (土豆) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我没有。我可能有偏见,有的时候川粉会因为偏见发表一些没有那么准确的话,但是如
: 果仔细观察大选日计票的过程以及后面的传出的事情,大选没有大规模舞弊就是有鬼了。
: 你可以自诩客观公正,像法官一样索要网友提供证据。但是普通网友也不是司法机构,
: 司法机构不作为,证明舞弊规模到几万票除非去核查,很难有直接证据。。律师没有强
: 力的调查手段,就这样,听证会也暴露了很多很多的证人。
: 对了,最近爆出的 MI作证者被杀手开枪差点打死的录像看到没有? 家门口的摄像头。
: 可以找找,你可以选择不相信。

w
wishee

从我自己看过的川粉给出的数字相关的证据,就没有多少站的住脚的。我基本都是去官网或者权威一点的数据源找原数据验证的。从这一个月的经验来说,川粉给出的谣言比例实在太高。

不上法庭的证人不叫证人。起码先上个法庭或正经议会。实事求是一点,不是听证会就别叫听证会,听证会要有对立的两方参加,议会听证会要在议会,法院听证会要在法院,不是随便什么酒店。

从头到尾的歪门邪道,要让人怎么相信?

你说的这事我不知道,你可以贴一下我看看。

【 在 peacemind2 (土豆) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我没有。我可能有偏见,有的时候川粉会因为偏见发表一些没有那么准确的话,但是如
: 果仔细观察大选日计票的过程以及后面的传出的事情,大选没有大规模舞弊就是有鬼了。
: 你可以自诩客观公正,像法官一样索要网友提供证据。但是普通网友也不是司法机构,
: 司法机构不作为,证明舞弊规模到几万票除非去核查,很难有直接证据。。律师没有强
: 力的调查手段,就这样,听证会也暴露了很多很多的证人。
: 对了,最近爆出的 MI作证者被杀手开枪差点打死的录像看到没有? 家门口的摄像头。
: 可以找找,你可以选择不相信。

w
wishee

我可能也跟你说过,我看过大选计票过程,完全正常。西部时间4日0点,业余数据分析频道里的人就已经能根据每个county的开票情况准确预测了

后面又传出了啥事情?美军扣留服务器吗?还是Trump律师法院上承认没有fraud,总是有observer在场,还是啥?

【 在 peacemind2 (土豆) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我没有。我可能有偏见,有的时候川粉会因为偏见发表一些没有那么准确的话,但是如
: 果仔细观察大选日计票的过程以及后面的传出的事情,大选没有大规模舞弊就是有鬼了。
: 你可以自诩客观公正,像法官一样索要网友提供证据。但是普通网友也不是司法机构,
: 司法机构不作为,证明舞弊规模到几万票除非去核查,很难有直接证据。。律师没有强
: 力的调查手段,就这样,听证会也暴露了很多很多的证人。
: 对了,最近爆出的 MI作证者被杀手开枪差点打死的录像看到没有? 家门口的摄像头。
: 可以找找,你可以选择不相信。

f
fishingarden

杨电诈门徒果然个个对现实充耳不闻。

最近各州议会的听证会是啥?你不知道不代表没发生。。

【 在 wishee (温顺的野猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 从我自己看过的川粉给出的数字相关的证据,就没有多少站的住脚的。我基本都是去官
: 网或者权威一点的数据源找原数据验证的。从这一个月的经验来说,川粉给出的谣言比
: 例实在太高。
: 不上法庭的证人不叫证人。起码先上个法庭或正经议会。实事求是一点,不是听证会就
: 别叫听证会,听证会要有对立的两方参加,议会听证会要在议会,法院听证会要在法院
: ,不是随便什么酒店。
: 从头到尾的歪门邪道,要让人怎么相信?
: 你说的这事我不知道,你可以贴一下我看看。
: 了。

f
fishingarden

说得对。所以你我共识是所有票拿出来重新验。

能和三趴都不知道来的人有共识,好难得。

【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你是学哲学的吧?我说了4遍计算的总数是那些重填的duplicate ballots, 不是所有: voted ballots. 你故意拿所有票的总数来算,当然数字巨大。你以为这点小伎俩,法
: 官看不出吗?
: 当然你们川粉的智商跟你们川大瞎话一样。睁眼说瞎话一个顶三个。所以是3%.

D
DDR3

我觉着川粉并不是不满大选结果,而是巨巨没有雇他们去帮着查票打官司,肥水流了外人田。我倾向于认同这种观点,巨巨高价雇的这些草包肯定不如他的粉丝们,也可以看出他确实没有能力组建一个合格的政府,他就是想再过一把you are fired的瘾。
P
PBSNPR

选票抽样再见功效!
亚利桑那州抽样检查了100张选票,就找到2张本属于川普的票被移除!
内华达州100张选票找到3张问题票。
在目前还没有办法大面积查票之前,各州都应该先小规模查票!
i
iconhacker

川粉们不是傻逼就是白痴!

【 在 alter (ouran) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你是学哲学的吧?我说了4遍计算的总数是那些重填的duplicate ballots, 不是所有: voted ballots. 你故意拿所有票的总数来算,当然数字巨大。你以为这点小伎俩,法
: 官看不出吗?
: 当然你们川粉的智商跟你们川大瞎话一样。睁眼说瞎话一个顶三个。所以是3%.

g
goodby

复制选票里改动和作假的比例应该是小于bulk 选票。因为人人都清楚这是有存底可查
,很容易查出来的,风险很大。

y
yhangw

手写选票必然有大堆不符合要求的。 这个行业是不是有什么特殊壁垒?
l
lqm1989

非复制选票怎么作假?
【 在 goodby () 的大作中提到: 】
: 复制选票里改动和作假的比例应该是小于bulk 选票。因为人人都清楚这是有存底可查
: ,很容易查出来的,风险很大。

f
fishingarden

不知道呢,俺只知道计算机莫名其妙都能把人的钱转走。电视上说的啊。

【 在 lqm1989 (Jeremy Lin) 的大作中提到: 】
: 非复制选票怎么作假?

g
godless

"The only problem, the DOW did not dive 1000 points with this tweet,
so, at least, the wall street did not believe that it is true"

But we at least, we believe you are an idiot because of your reasoning.

【 在 secondwite (内圣则外王) 的大作中提到: 】
: this is one of the rare cases that sounds possibly true and would also
: have an impact for the case.
: The only problem, the DOW did not dive 1000 points with this tweet,
: so, at least, the wall street did not believe that it is true