看看老川律师团队这水平

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Ignius
楼主 (未名空间)

用MN的counties的数据去证明MI结果作弊。这种水平的团队说出来的话叫人怎么相信?

An affidavit filed by President Trump’s legal team intended to prove voter fraud in Michigan apparently used data taken from counties in Minnesota, the latest in a series of embarrassing missteps that have made Mr. Trump’s
uphill legal fight even steeper.

As part of the Trump campaign’s effort to discredit the results in
battleground states, the lawyers Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell have made a series of unsubstantiated and outlandish claims that Dominion Voting Systems, which sells voting software to states, electronically erased
millions of Trump votes at the secret behest of liberal operatives.

To bolster that claim, they have pointed to areas that had abnormally high
turnout rates compared to prior elections, most recently as part of a case
filed in Georgia intended to show a nationwide pattern of fraud.

On Wednesday, L. Lin Wood, an Atlanta lawyer working with the team, filed an analysis from Russell Ramsland, a failed Republican congressional candidate and self-proclaimed election fraud expert, purporting to show suspiciously high turnout in blue areas of Michigan.

When the editors of Powerline, a conservative legal website whose
contributors hail from Minnesota and other parts of the Upper Midwest,
reviewed the nine-page document, they discovered a major problem: Many
municipalities cited in the Michigan document — Monticello, Albertville,
Lake Lillian, Houston, Brownsville, Runeberg, Wolf Lake, Height of Land,
Detroit Lakes, Frazee, Kandiyohi — are located in an entirely different “M” state, Minnesota.

“This is a catastrophic error, the kind of thing that causes a legal
position to crash and burn,” wrote John H. Hinderaker, a veteran litigator who believes any incidences of fraud are not on the scale Mr. Trump’s team is claiming.

Mr. Hinderaker surmised the error was the result of mixing up the
abbreviations for the two states, “MI” for “MN.”
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Ignius


ai1901

任何正常的 client 都会立刻 fire 掉这种律师。那位 daemonself 还在吹嘘什么 $
1000/hr 的天价。

watchout

工资还不够高。。。。

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Snowmanfight

这些信息是不入川粉法眼

你啥时候看见过川粉贴法庭文件啊?
都是
什么推特截图啊
法轮功报纸报道啊
自媒体截屏啊

就是没有正儿八经让人去相信的官方source.
都是he said, she said

rubio200

Russell Ramsland 的数据 不是律师自己弄的数据

不过律师犯这种错误确实非常不应该。

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Ignius

你的意思是证人提供的分析,律师都不看就file上去了?
【 在 rubio200 () 的大作中提到: 】
: Russell Ramsland 的数据 不是律师自己弄的数据
rubio200

我认为律师不够尽职。

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你的意思是证人提供的分析,律师都不看就file上去了?

watchout

一个侧面表明证据太多,evidences flood,巨巨翻盘有望

【 在 Ignius(Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】

: 你的意思是证人提供的分析,律师都不看就file上去了?

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piggybank

窥一斑而见全貌啊!不过,没有犹太人律师加入,肯定只输不赢,因为犹太人才是真正的大法官执政者!

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 用MN的counties的数据去证明MI结果作弊。这种水平的团队说出来的话叫人怎么相信?
: An affidavit filed by President Trump’s legal team intended to prove
voter
: fraud in Michigan apparently used data taken from counties in Minnesota,
the
: latest in a series of embarrassing missteps that have made Mr. Trump’s
: uphill legal fight even steeper.
: As part of the Trump campaign’s effort to discredit the results in
: battleground states, the lawyers Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell
have
: made a series of unsubstantiated and outlandish claims that Dominion
Voting
: Systems, which sells voting software to states, electronically erased
: millions of Trump votes at the secret behest of liberal operatives.
: ...................

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wishee

这不就是川粉的三大律师之一林木头吗?

trump团队三头猪律师
1. 28年来第一次上庭的老朱,搞不清楚自己诉状里头写的啥
2. twitter战神林木头,上庭弄不清楚MI和MN,刚吃完GA败仗就来祸害MI
3. 自称专长是媒体关系的鲍大妈,几个礼拜每天重复一句话:海一样的证据coming
soon

【 在 rubio200 () 的大作中提到: 】
: 我认为律师不够尽职。

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Snowmanfight

叹为观止的逻辑 哈哈
【 在 watchout () 的大作中提到: 】
: 一个侧面表明证据太多,evidences flood,巨巨翻盘有望
:
: 你的意思是证人提供的分析,律师都不看就file上去了?
:

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Snowmanfight

这就是川粉吹嘘的黄金律师团?
让我想起权利游戏里面那个 去找龙妈的黄金雇佣兵团
见光死哈哈

【 在 wishee (温顺的野猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这不就是川粉的三大律师之一林木头吗?
: trump团队三头猪律师
: 1. 28年来第一次上庭的老朱,搞不清楚自己诉状里头写的啥
: 2. twitter战神林木头,上庭弄不清楚MI和MN,刚吃完GA败仗就来祸害MI
: 3. 自称专长是媒体关系的鲍大妈,几个礼拜每天重复一句话:海一样的证据coming : soon

I
Ignius

真是晕了,不光连州搞错了,连那些所谓overvote的小镇的注册voter的数字也是错的
。 这种非蠢即坏的傻逼专家,二把刀的数据分析能力,得出一个这么荒谬的分析报告
,很多川粉就深信不疑认为是舞弊了。这也就算了,这种报告还能送上法庭作为证据。真尼玛无语了。

The biggest alleged over-vote in Ramsland’s affidavit is from Benville
Township — the place where actual voters were allegedly 350 percent of
estimated voters. According to the Minnesota Secretary of State’s election results, 63 people voted in the township. But its data show there were
precisely that many registered voters in the township at 7 a.m. on Election Day, and then eight more registered on Election Day (Minnesota has same-day registration).
The story is the same for the second-highest alleged over-vote: Monticello’s 1st Precinct. There, 3,693 people were registered when polls opened, and
another 385 registered on Election Day. The number of votes was 3,211.
The number of votes in each of the next three biggest alleged over-voting
precincts (Monticello-2 and two precincts in Albertville) also fall well shy of the number of registered voters.

While it’s not clear what numbers Ramsland was using for “estimated voters,” one logical conclusion presents itself. As Max Hailperin, professor
emeritus at Gustavus Adolphus College in Minnesota, theorized to me, the
affidavit might have been relying upon incomplete “estimated voters” data from the Minnesota secretary of state in the days after the election.

In Benville, for instance, 18 of the 63 voters were recorded as casting
absentee ballots. Absentees a type of vote that might very logically have
been included in the secretary of state’s “estimated voters” numbers
before others were, given they would have arrived the earliest. If the
results were updated more quickly than the “estimated voters” numbers,
there might have been a time in which the results showed 63 votes but the “estimated voters” number showed 18. And what’s 63 divided by 18? Exactly
350 percent.

rubio200

MI/MN 应该是被提供数据的人坑了当然律师没检查也是有错
【 在 wishee (温顺的野猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这不就是川粉的三大律师之一林木头吗?
: trump团队三头猪律师
: 1. 28年来第一次上庭的老朱,搞不清楚自己诉状里头写的啥
: 2. twitter战神林木头,上庭弄不清楚MI和MN,刚吃完GA败仗就来祸害MI
: 3. 自称专长是媒体关系的鲍大妈,几个礼拜每天重复一句话:海一样的证据coming : soon

I
Ignius

不光是把州搞混了,那些比率算的也不对。这个所谓的专家非蠢即坏。这个分析报告前一阵还被本版川粉当舞弊铁证来着。
【 在 rubio200 () 的大作中提到: 】
: MI/MN 应该是被提供数据的人坑了当然律师没检查也是有错
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Snowmanfight

看来这律师费仅仅是卖良心的钱
不包含专业服务费 啊哈哈
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不光是把州搞混了,那些比率算的也不对。这个所谓的专家非蠢即坏。这个分析报告前
: 一阵还被本版川粉当舞弊铁证来着。

zooie

川闹都这样。一到具体的数字和证据就抓瞎了。

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不光是把州搞混了,那些比率算的也不对。这个所谓的专家非蠢即坏。这个分析报告前
: 一阵还被本版川粉当舞弊铁证来着。

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shanggj


川闹光叫不捐, 聚聚也难请到好律师呀。

【 在 zooie (zooie) 的大作中提到: 】
: 川闹都这样。一到具体的数字和证据就抓瞎了。

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johnwolf

老川这样是不行的

法律成了民主党的挡箭牌

有两个办法破局

第一开始攻击法院,法官作弊了

第二开始攻击法律,法律作弊了

胜利在望啊
rubio200

lin wood 道歉了:

I remain imperfect.
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Ignius

这份”乌龙”分析报告,就是老川律师团队这些天一直引用的证明投票机作弊的证据。
beijingren4


【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 用MN的counties的数据去证明MI结果作弊。这种水平的团队说出来的话叫人怎么相信?
: An affidavit filed by President Trump’s legal team intended to prove
voter
: fraud in Michigan apparently used data taken from counties in Minnesota,
the
: latest in a series of embarrassing missteps that have made Mr. Trump’s
: uphill legal fight even steeper.
: As part of the Trump campaign’s effort to discredit the results in
: battleground states, the lawyers Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell
have
: made a series of unsubstantiated and outlandish claims that Dominion
Voting
: Systems, which sells voting software to states, electronically erased
: millions of Trump votes at the secret behest of liberal operatives.
: ...................

b
breakupfee

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 用MN的counties的数据去证明MI结果作弊。这种水平的团队说出来的话叫人怎么相信?
: An affidavit filed by President Trump’s legal team intended to prove
voter
: fraud in Michigan apparently used data taken from counties in Minnesota,
the
: latest in a series of embarrassing missteps that have made Mr. Trump’s
: uphill legal fight even steeper.
: As part of the Trump campaign’s effort to discredit the results in
: battleground states, the lawyers Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell
have
: made a series of unsubstantiated and outlandish claims that Dominion
Voting
: Systems, which sells voting software to states, electronically erased
: millions of Trump votes at the secret behest of liberal operatives.
: ...................

daemonself

这明显是下面的associate没做功课,数据不是什么MN的数据,数据是MN,MI混在一起了,数据公司没有分开而已,这跟律师水平基本没半毛钱关系,只能说明官司太多了,
associates都糊涂了
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 用MN的counties的数据去证明MI结果作弊。这种水平的团队说出来的话叫人怎么相信?
: An affidavit filed by President Trump’s legal team intended to prove
voter
: fraud in Michigan apparently used data taken from counties in Minnesota,
the
: latest in a series of embarrassing missteps that have made Mr. Trump’s
: uphill legal fight even steeper.
: As part of the Trump campaign’s effort to discredit the results in
: battleground states, the lawyers Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell
have
: made a series of unsubstantiated and outlandish claims that Dominion
Voting
: Systems, which sells voting software to states, electronically erased
: millions of Trump votes at the secret behest of liberal operatives.
: ...................

I
Ignius

接着往下看
【 在 daemonself (新晋川粉,前mit行为艺术专业博士后导师) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这明显是下面的associate没做功课,数据不是什么MN的数据,数据是MN,MI混在一起了,数据公司没有分开而已,这跟律师水平基本没半毛钱关系,只能说明官司太多了,associates都糊涂了
: voter
: the
: have
: Voting
daemonself

你们都没看懂真相,这很明显是女婿找来的律师都是一滩屎,PA这个官司当时我听说
drop哪个observer filing旧tmd大吃一惊,这几乎是唯一一个能打到高院的case,怎么
可能随便drop off掉。果不其然是被女婿找的垃圾律师坑了
【 在 wishee (温顺的野猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这不就是川粉的三大律师之一林木头吗?
: trump团队三头猪律师
: 1. 28年来第一次上庭的老朱,搞不清楚自己诉状里头写的啥
: 2. twitter战神林木头,上庭弄不清楚MI和MN,刚吃完GA败仗就来祸害MI
: 3. 自称专长是媒体关系的鲍大妈,几个礼拜每天重复一句话:海一样的证据coming : soon

daemonself

没有毛病啊,这种same day registration 本来就是很反常,然后你怎么可能投到100%?完全不可思议么。从逻辑上数据的确值得质疑
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 真是晕了,不光连州搞错了,连那些所谓overvote的小镇的注册voter的数字也是错的
: 。 这种非蠢即坏的傻逼专家,二把刀的数据分析能力,得出一个这么荒谬的分析报告
: ,很多川粉就深信不疑认为是舞弊了。这也就算了,这种报告还能送上法庭作为证据。
: 真尼玛无语了。
: The biggest alleged over-vote in Ramsland’s affidavit is from Benville
: Township — the place where actual voters were allegedly 350 percent of
: estimated voters. According to the Minnesota Secretary of State’s
election
: results, 63 people voted in the township. But its data show there were
: precisely that many registered voters in the township at 7 a.m. on
Election
: Day, and then eight more registered on Election Day (Minnesota has same-
day
: ...................

daemonself

往下看什么,这些数据里的确有michigan的数据啊
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 接着往下看
: 了,数据公司没有分开而已,这跟律师水平基本没半毛钱关系,只能说明官司太多了,
: associates都糊涂了

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Ignius

你的数据分析能力说出这种话我不稀奇,lol。
【 在 daemonself (新晋川粉,前mit行为艺术专业博士后导师) 的大作中提到: 】
: 没有毛病啊,这种same day registration 本来就是很反常,然后你怎么可能投到
100%?完全不可思议么。从逻辑上数据的确值得质疑
: election
: Election
: day
I
Ignius

哈哈,你这洗地水平太低劣了。
【 在 daemonself (新晋川粉,前mit行为艺术专业博士后导师) 的大作中提到: 】
: 往下看什么,这些数据里的确有michigan的数据啊
daemonself

来来来,那就谈谈么,一个大选如果一定要到最后一天注册出原来选民的10%,是不是
太神奇了?这么多天都没空注册么?这不就是一直是民主党voter fraud playbook 101么?大巴注册法
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你的数据分析能力说出这种话我不稀奇,lol。
: 100%?完全不可思议么。从逻辑上数据的确值得质疑

FortyNiner

That's because you guys are not donating enough to hire better lawyers. You get what you pay for.

【 在 rubio200 () 的大作中提到: 】
: 我认为律师不够尽职。

daemonself

这不是洗地,律师水平有两个问题,很明显这个问题处在律所的associate和
investigator很差,这个可以理解,因为lin wood和老朱这种律师常年都是小律所作业模式,他们没有足够可靠的associates和investigation team. 这个的确是失策。但是事实上巨巨现在根本找不到像样的律所来打也是问题
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 哈哈,你这洗地水平太低劣了。

I
Ignius

你根本就没看懂,算了吧。
【 在 daemonself (新晋川粉,前mit行为艺术专业博士后导师) 的大作中提到: 】
: 来来来,那就谈谈么,一个大选如果一定要到最后一天注册出原来选民的10%,是不
是太神奇了?这么多天都没空注册么?这不就是一直是民主党voter fraud playbook
101么?大巴注册法
I
Ignius

这几个小镇都是投的川普。你是说和党作弊吗?哈哈. 你这洗地水平真的太差了。

In Benville, where actual votes were allegedly 350 percent of total voters, Trump won 75 percent of those 63 votes. Trump also won about 6 in 10 votes
in Monticello and more than 6 in 10 in Albertville.

【 在 daemonself (新晋川粉,前mit行为艺术专业博士后导师) 的大作中提到: 】
: 来来来,那就谈谈么,一个大选如果一定要到最后一天注册出原来选民的10%,是不
是太神奇了?这么多天都没空注册么?这不就是一直是民主党voter fraud playbook
101么?大巴注册法
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Snowmanfight

哎呀 又是这逻辑

过去案子结了都是俺大律师英明神武, 出错漏一定是临时工

跟大统领的credit 我拿, responsibility 别人当,简直异曲同工之妙啊

这种大律师谁说都是指他们的团队吧,哪儿有出了错误就把他赖到手下身上的
然后继续吹我还是金牌律师?

【 在 daemonself (新晋川粉,前mit行为艺术专业博士后导师) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这不是洗地,律师水平有两个问题,很明显这个问题处在律所的associate和
: investigator很差,这个可以理解,因为lin wood和老朱这种律师常年都是小律所作业
: 模式,他们没有足够可靠的associates和investigation team. 这个的确是失策。但是
: 事实上巨巨现在根本找不到像样的律所来打也是问题

d
dnzdnz

不要忘了一头小猪 Jenna Ellis. 以三大律师为楷模,言谈敢于突破逻辑下线,俨然是长江后浪推前浪,星气十
足!

【 在 wishee(温顺的野猪) 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: 这不就是川粉的三大律师之一林木头吗?
<br>: trump团队三头猪律师
<br>: 1. 28年来第一次上庭的老朱,搞不清楚自己诉状里头写的啥
<br>: 2. twitter战神林木头,上庭弄不清楚MI和MN,刚吃完GA败仗就来祸害MI<br>: 3. 自称专长是媒体关系的鲍大妈,几个礼拜每天重复一句话:海一样的
证据
coming
<br>: soon
<br>

x
xiaocha

比JB的强
rubio200

Monticello 和 Albertville 拜登不作弊不可能赢40%
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这几个小镇都是投的川普。你是说和党作弊吗?哈哈. 你这洗地水平真的太差了。
: In Benville, where actual votes were allegedly 350 percent of total voters,
: Trump won 75 percent of those 63 votes. Trump also won about 6 in 10 votes
: in Monticello and more than 6 in 10 in Albertville.
: 是太神奇了?这么多天都没空注册么?这不就是一直是民主党voter fraud playbook
: 101么?大巴注册法

s
sutton999

海量的数据,极短的时间, 出点错可以理解.

f
fourwheeler

他也是没办法吧。其它律师要么信不过, 要么不肯干。
【 在 wishee (温顺的野猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这不就是川粉的三大律师之一林木头吗?
: trump团队三头猪律师
: 1. 28年来第一次上庭的老朱,搞不清楚自己诉状里头写的啥
: 2. twitter战神林木头,上庭弄不清楚MI和MN,刚吃完GA败仗就来祸害MI
: 3. 自称专长是媒体关系的鲍大妈,几个礼拜每天重复一句话:海一样的证据coming : soon

iDemocracy

打官司是个烟雾弹。政变从来都是军队处理,不会告诉你的。
你知道苏莱曼尼要死么?还是要死透了才第一次听说。
beijingren4

Trump is still in the Whitehouse?? Man this guy is like the Herpes
dmjz


【 在 rubio200 () 的大作中提到: 】
: Russell Ramsland 的数据 不是律师自己弄的数据
: 不过律师犯这种错误确实非常不应该。

律师犯这种错误是不应该,但很常见。

认真最费时费事。所以内行最忌外行认真。

律师许多文件都是重复使用的。

基本就是“Search & Replace”,

还有更厉害的“Cut & Paste”。

外行的看到厚厚的文件,觉得”很值“,

因为他们以为律师给的是”原创“。

当然你可以说这剪贴操作小学生都也能做啊。

没错。但你家的小学生有律师牌照吗?

所以关键是”牌照“,”牌照“,”牌照“。

无需"牌照",小学生有本”PDR“,都可开方。

PDR = Physician's Desk Reference
https://www.pdr.net/

"75 to 90 percent of American trial lawyers
are incompetent, dishonest - or both."

-- Warren Burger, former Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court

https://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/34341059.html

I
Ignius

这可是属于直接毁了case的重大失误。为了证明michigan Wayne county有投票舞弊,
把很多属于MN州的小镇算到wayne county里来,还把这些小镇registered voters数字
搞错。最傻逼的是这些小镇其实投的是川普。闹半天是要证明老川竞选作弊?

这种错误在律师里很常见? 那律师得有多烂呀。

【 在 dmjz (东门虎西门豹) 的大作中提到: 】
: 律师犯这种错误是不应该,但很常见。
: 认真最费时费事。所以内行最忌外行认真。
: 律师许多文件都是重复使用的。
: 基本就是“Search
dmjz


【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这可是属于直接毁了case的重大失误。为了证明michigan Wayne county有投票舞弊,
: 把很多属于MN州的小镇算到wayne county里来,还把这些小镇registered voters数字
: 搞错。最傻逼的是这些小镇其实投的是川普。闹半天是要证明老川竞选作弊?
: 这种错误在律师里很常见? 那律师得有多烂呀。

没事的! 我教你:

比如说文件是Memorandum。

马上来个“Amended Memorandum”

把它送进去。

如果是“Exhibit”

就来个 “Amended Exhibit”。

在合理,即没有过度拖延,时间内送进法院即可。
https://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/34341059.html

NYFZ

K. 卧底川黑暴露了

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
用MN的counties的数据去证明MI结果作弊。这种水平的团队说出来的话叫人怎么相信?

An affidavit filed by President Trump’s legal team intended to prove voter
fraud in Michigan apparently used data taken from counties in Minnesota, thelatest in a series of embarrassing missteps that have made Mr. Trump’s
uphill legal fight even steeper.

As part of the Trump campaign’s effort to discredit the results in
battleground states, the lawyers Rudolph W. Giuliani and Sidney Powell have
made a series of unsubstantiated and outlandish claims that Dominion Voting
Systems, which sells voting software to states, electronically erased
millions of Trump votes at the secret behest of liberal operatives.

To bolster that claim, they have pointed to areas that had abnormally high
turnout rates compared to prior elections, most recently as part of a case
filed in Georgia intended to show a nationwide pattern of fraud.

On Wednesday, L. Lin Wood, an Atlanta lawyer working with the team, filed ananalysis from Russell Ramsland, a failed Republican congressional candidate
and self-proclaimed election fraud expert, purporting to show suspiciously
high turnout in blue areas of Michigan.

When the editors of Powerline, a conservative legal website whose
contributors hail from Minnesota and other parts of the Upper Midwest,
reviewed the nine-page document, they discovered a major problem: Many
municipalities cited in the Michigan document — Monticello, Albertville,
Lake Lillian, Houston, Brownsville, Runeberg, Wolf Lake, Height of Land,
Detroit Lakes, Frazee, Kandiyohi — are located in an entirely different “M” state, Minnesota.

“This is a catastrophic error, the kind of thing that causes a legal
position to crash and burn,” wrote John H. Hinderaker, a veteran litigator
who believes any incidences of fraud are not on the scale Mr. Trump’s team
is claiming.

Mr. Hinderaker surmised the error was the result of mixing up the
abbreviations for the two states, “MI” for “MN.”
FortyNiner

Yeah, aliens from outer space will eradicate all dems and reinstate Trump
back into the WH. They wont' tell you ahead of time either.

【 在 iDemocracy (DEMO) 的大作中提到: 】
: 打官司是个烟雾弹。政变从来都是军队处理,不会告诉你的。
: 你知道苏莱曼尼要死么?还是要死透了才第一次听说。

s
skybluewei

这个就别舔了。。。传粉这个都要舔就太傻逼了。