For nearly six weeks, Microsoft and Oracle proposed different approaches for that sale with the Chinese government, further complicating matters with newly announced controls on data sharing with foreign companies.
With that, Microsoft’s plan to buy TikTok and completely secure it in its cloud fell through and Oracle came up with a plan in which it essentially created a joint venture with a group of U.S. investors to license Tiktok's app from its Chinese owners, while Bytedance maintains ownership of the app's all-important algorithm and the platform.
BYTEDANCE CHOOSES ORACLE OVER MICROSOFT FOR TIKTOK'S US OPERATIONS
The Oracle approach is seen as controversial by some members of the Trump administration because it didn’t fulfill the President’s initial standard that any deal for TikTok's U.S. operations maintain no Chinese involvement.
However, other administration officials such as Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, who chairs CFIUS, are said to favor the Oracle approach because it's an expedient solution to a politically thorny problem during an election year of banning an app that's popular with tens of millions of Americans.
With that, people at Oracle are growing increasingly confident that CFIUS will approve the deal with an announcement coming imminently, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter.
An Oracle spokesperson had no comment. The White House had no immediate comment.
Among the many oddities of the deal is it's unclear if there will be a purchase price. Oracle and its investor group will be paying some amount of money, but only as a licensing fee that will be delivered to Bytedance.
Microsoft in its initial dealings with TikTok was willing to pay as much as $20 billion or more for complete control of the app--so-called "end-to-end" control that would safeguard the user data from any possibility that the Chinese could steal it for surveillance purposes
Oracle officials believe that even though they don’t own the product outright the deal will meet national security concerns because they will control the app and, because it’s in their cloud, they can secure it from any Chinese influence.
However, one reason why Microsoft demanded outright ownership of its app and algorithms is because it feared that without such end-to-end control of the product, the app would still be susceptible to Chinese spying. Because Microsoft is a major contractor with the U.S. Defense Department such arrangements with the U.S. government could be compromised, these people add.
While Mnuchin is said to be in favor of the Oracle approach, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is said to have harbored some reservations and could scuttle the deal at the last moment, according to people with knowledge of the matter.
However, the final decision will likely fall to President Trump who has close ties to Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, a major Trump fundraiser.
Trump, on his way to Philadelphia Tuesday, praised Ellison a longtime friend and political supporter.
Other major investors in Bytedance, investment firms General Atlantic and Sequoia Capital, have close ties to the national GOP.
Bill Ford of General Atlantic and Doug Leone of Sequoia are two of the top Republican in the Silicon Valley investment ecosystem.
Also helping Oracle's case is the argument by Mnuchin and others inside the White House that the Oracle deal is a way to sidestep any political issues involving a ban of a popular app that has become a cultural touchstone for tens of millions of young Americans.
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】 : For nearly six weeks, Microsoft and Oracle proposed different approaches for : that sale with the Chinese government, further complicating matters with : newly announced controls on data sharing with foreign companies. : With that, Microsoft’s plan to buy TikTok and completely secure it in its : cloud fell through and Oracle came up with a plan in which it essentially : created a joint venture with a group of U.S. investors to license Tiktok's : app from its Chinese owners, while Bytedance maintains ownership of the app' : s all-important algorithm and the platform. : BYTEDANCE CHOOSES ORACLE OVER MICROSOFT FOR TIKTOK'S US OPERATIONS : The Oracle approach is seen as controversial by some members of the Trump : ...................
中国会拒绝任何与TikTok的交易，让Trump下不了台。
美国选举就在眼前，如果Trump要是禁TikTok，那么几千万美国年轻人
不答应，得罪了这些年轻人，对Trump的选举很不利。
如果Trump不禁TikTok，那么Trump就会被认为对中国软弱，也会失去
很多选票。
所以，无论如何中国都会拒绝TikTok的交易，几百亿美元对中国来说
根本不值一提，只要能让Trump下台就行。
这个deal已经得到tg认可了。因为不涉及到技术转让。
【 在 Carwash (for free) 的大作中提到: 】
: 中国会拒绝任何与TikTok的交易，让Trump下不了台。
: 美国选举就在眼前，如果Trump要是禁TikTok，那么几千万美国年轻人不答应，得罪
了这些年轻人，对Trump的选举很不利。
: 如果Trump不禁TikTok，那么Trump就会被认为对中国软弱，也会失去很多选票。
: 所以，无论如何中国都会拒绝TikTok的交易，几百亿美元对中国来说根本不值一提，只要能让Trump下台就行。
你俩 谁准，消息来源？
土共较黄 我不奇怪。。。
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个deal已经得到tg认可了。因为不涉及到技术转让。
: 了这些年轻人，对Trump的选举很不利。
: 只要能让Trump下台就行。
tg在微软和oracle的两个deal里选了oracle的deal。因为oracle的合作不牵扯到核心算法的转让。否则tiktok根本不会把这个deal提交给老川来批准。其实私底下早就跟老川的高参和女婿把条件谈好了。其实我挺欣赏老川的这种做法呢。这才是商人本色。
【 在 cellcycle (vacoule) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你俩 谁准，消息来源？
: 土共较黄 我不奇怪。。。
总之川普输了就完事儿了，计较那么多干嘛
【 在 cellcycle (vacoule) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你俩 谁准，消息来源？
: 土共较黄 我不奇怪。。。
【 在 Carwash (for+free) 的大作中提到: 】
: 中国会拒绝任何与TikTok的交易，让Trump下不了台。
: 美国选举就在眼前，如果Trump要是禁TikTok，那么几千万美国年轻人
: 不答应，得罪了这些年轻人，对Trump的选举很不利。
: 如果Trump不禁TikTok，那么Trump就会被认为对中国软弱，也会失去
: 很多选票。
: 所以，无论如何中国都会拒绝TikTok的交易，几百亿美元对中国来说
: 根本不值一提，只要能让Trump下台就行。
所以万一老川再干4年，怎么报复中国都是应该的，对吧？
我估计tg答应老川不会通过tiktok来影响选举。老川说你说话我不放心，派个监军来监督吧，监军薪水你来付。tg判断老川选举赢面很大，就握手成交了。
所以这是老川给金主（甲骨文老板）的回报？
不是说，蓬佩奥追着中国死咬，是因为中国在去年11月限制了他的大金主KOCH兄弟手下的一名高管么？
美国的政客很清廉，因为贿赂都合法了。
你是包子的儿子二逼？连·会拒绝都是知道。
【 在 Carwash (for+free) 的大作中提到: 】
: 中国会拒绝任何与TikTok的交易，让Trump下不了台。
: 美国选举就在眼前，如果Trump要是禁TikTok，那么几千万美国年轻人
: 不答应，得罪了这些年轻人，对Trump的选举很不利。
: 如果Trump不禁TikTok，那么Trump就会被认为对中国软弱，也会失去
: 很多选票。
: 所以，无论如何中国都会拒绝TikTok的交易，几百亿美元对中国来说
: 根本不值一提，只要能让Trump下台就行。
tg不傻。如果还是6月份那阵选情对老川很不利的时候，tg估计会搅黄。现在明显老川
赢面很大，tg不会得罪老川的。
【 在 cellcycle (vacoule) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你俩 谁准，消息来源？
: 土共较黄 我不奇怪。。。
For nearly six weeks, Microsoft and Oracle proposed different approaches for that sale with the Chinese government, further complicating matters with
newly announced controls on data sharing with foreign companies.
With that, Microsoft’s plan to buy TikTok and completely secure it in its
cloud fell through and Oracle came up with a plan in which it essentially
created a joint venture with a group of U.S. investors to license Tiktok's
app from its Chinese owners, while Bytedance maintains ownership of the app's all-important algorithm and the platform.
BYTEDANCE CHOOSES ORACLE OVER MICROSOFT FOR TIKTOK'S US OPERATIONS
The Oracle approach is seen as controversial by some members of the Trump
administration because it didn’t fulfill the President’s initial standard that any deal for TikTok's U.S. operations maintain no Chinese involvement.
However, other administration officials such as Treasury Secretary Steve
Mnuchin, who chairs CFIUS, are said to favor the Oracle approach because it's an expedient solution to a politically thorny problem during an election
year of banning an app that's popular with tens of millions of Americans.
With that, people at Oracle are growing increasingly confident that CFIUS
will approve the deal with an announcement coming imminently, according to
sources with direct knowledge of the matter.
An Oracle spokesperson had no comment. The White House had no immediate
comment.
Among the many oddities of the deal is it's unclear if there will be a
purchase price. Oracle and its investor group will be paying some amount of money, but only as a licensing fee that will be delivered to Bytedance.
Microsoft in its initial dealings with TikTok was willing to pay as much as $20 billion or more for complete control of the app--so-called "end-to-end" control that would safeguard the user data from any possibility that the
Chinese could steal it for surveillance purposes
Oracle officials believe that even though they don’t own the product
outright the deal will meet national security concerns because they will
control the app and, because it’s in their cloud, they can secure it from
any Chinese influence.
However, one reason why Microsoft demanded outright ownership of its app and algorithms is because it feared that without such end-to-end control of the product, the app would still be susceptible to Chinese spying. Because
Microsoft is a major contractor with the U.S. Defense Department such
arrangements with the U.S. government could be compromised, these people add.
While Mnuchin is said to be in favor of the Oracle approach, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is said to have harbored some reservations and could
scuttle the deal at the last moment, according to people with knowledge of
the matter.
However, the final decision will likely fall to President Trump who has
close ties to Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, a major Trump fundraiser.
Trump, on his way to Philadelphia Tuesday, praised Ellison a longtime friend and political supporter.
Other major investors in Bytedance, investment firms General Atlantic and
Sequoia Capital, have close ties to the national GOP.
Bill Ford of General Atlantic and Doug Leone of Sequoia are two of the top
Republican in the Silicon Valley investment ecosystem.
Also helping Oracle's case is the argument by Mnuchin and others inside the White House that the Oracle deal is a way to sidestep any political issues
involving a ban of a popular app that has become a cultural touchstone for
tens of millions of young Americans.
按照楼上的Fox News的报道，相当于oracle跟一帮us investors成立一家公司，然后这个公司支付一定的licensing fee给bd，购买tiktok在美国运营权。 bd保持了核心算法和产品的ownership，oracle取得了tiktok在美国的运营权利，也负责用户数据的“安
全”。
就是代管了数据中心
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 按照楼上的Fox News的报道，相当于oracle跟一帮us investors成立一家公司，然后这
: 个公司支付一定的licensing fee给bd，购买tiktok在美国运营权。 bd保持了核心算法
: 和产品的ownership，oracle取得了tiktok在美国的运营权利，也负责用户数据的“安
: 全”。
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: For nearly six weeks, Microsoft and Oracle proposed different approaches
for
: that sale with the Chinese government, further complicating matters with : newly announced controls on data sharing with foreign companies.
: With that, Microsoft’s plan to buy TikTok and completely secure it in its
: cloud fell through and Oracle came up with a plan in which it essentially : created a joint venture with a group of U.S. investors to license Tiktok's
: app from its Chinese owners, while Bytedance maintains ownership of the
app'
: s all-important algorithm and the platform.
: BYTEDANCE CHOOSES ORACLE OVER MICROSOFT FOR TIKTOK'S US OPERATIONS
: The Oracle approach is seen as controversial by some members of the Trump : ...................
主要变化也许在于剥离出一个新的公司，虽然字节还是占大部分股份，但是新公司有自己独立的董事会，不听命于张一鸣了
是的。这样操作的话，tiktok美国用户的数据掌握在这家新的美国公司手里，tg没权力直接要了。tg同意这个deal也说明它根本就没在乎这些用户数据。
【 在 nuaaers (nuaaers) 的大作中提到: 】
: for
: app'
: 主要变化也许在于剥离出一个新的公司，虽然tiktok还是占大部分股份，但是新公司有自己独立的董事会，不听命于张一鸣了
不只。一般来说这种licensing deal包括了运营，市场，加数据中心。当然了，还要看具体的term是怎样的。
我们公司的产品，在欧美之外的市场也经常会找个合作伙伴license出去。比如东南亚
，日韩。合作伙伴付我们一笔版金，他们负责市场，运营客服，我们负责产品开发，运维。之后还有利润分成。
【 在 minyeon (敏妍 - 抑郁症实名) 的大作中提到: 】
: 就是代管了数据中心
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 是的。这样操作的话，tiktok美国用户的数据掌握在这家新的美国公司手里，tg没权力
: 直接要了。tg同意这个deal也说明它根本就没在乎这些用户数据。
: 有自己独立的董事会，不听命于张一鸣了
tiktok应该能独立于字节跳动自己上市，但是字节跳动保留了股份，所以经济上也没有吃亏，核心算法也没有交出去。而且这样以来说不定印度又能重新开放tiktok
霍利议员和本版川粉被扔下了大巴
差不多就这样。应该说是本版想跟国内彻底搞切割的川粉应该很失望。有些川粉还是没那么傻的。
【 在 nuaaers (nuaaers) 的大作中提到: 】
: tiktok应该能独立于字节跳动自己上市，但是字节跳动保留了股份，所以经济上也没有吃亏，核心算法也没有交出去。而且这样以来说不定印度又能重新开放tiktok
: 霍利议员和本版川粉被扔下了大巴
床铺从来没想搞切割， 而是打着切割的名头敲竹杠
这个case就是典型， 用禁止来恐吓，试图空手套白狼， 用仨瓜俩枣买下来真金白银， 结果被鳖共反应过来了， 直接把核心算法输出给禁了，让张一鸣想跪都找不到地方跪
现在这个deal已经没啥意思了，costco 的西瓜五块99一个， 床铺本打算花9毛9 买一
个的，结果现在花五块四毛九买了一个
当然了，也可以宣称取得了重大胜利
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 差不多就这样。应该说是本版想跟国内彻底搞切割的川粉应该很失望。有些川粉还是没
: 那么傻的。
: 有吃亏，核心算法也没有交出去。而且这样以来说不定印度又能重新开放tiktok
哈哈哈，最後一句是經典：又可以宣布勝利了。反正低端選民知道什麼？以為川普又為國爭光、為民除害了。
就跟瘟疫、貿易戰一樣，他就沒輸過。
【 在 V123(文成武德日月神教教主-正在301治脚气) 的大作中提到: 】
: 当然了，也可以宣称取得了重大胜利
Trump 做事虎头蛇尾，眼高手低，抗疫/贸易战/TicTok, ...
一个底层左派，说话装模作样到处忽悠搞的自己好像是川普枕边风似的
TG民主党左棍造谣起来真的是一脉相承
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: tg在微软和oracle的两个deal里选了oracle的deal。因为oracle的合作不牵扯到核心算
: 法的转让。否则tiktok根本不会把这个deal提交给老川来批准。其实私底下早就跟老川
: 的高参和女婿把条件谈好了。其实我挺欣赏老川的这种做法呢。这才是商人本色。
自我宣布胜利难道不是番鼠的独门绝技？
【 在 ai1901 (笑看众生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 哈哈哈，最後一句是經典：又可以宣布勝利了。反正低端選民知道什麼？以為川普又為
: 國爭光、為民除害了。
: 就跟瘟疫、貿易戰一樣，他就沒輸過。
vhttps://www.youtube.com/v/exTjEB9TknU
你在那个技术楼里被我驳斥的哑口无言了，跑这里来给我扣帽子来了，呵呵。你倒是说说我的推测有哪点不对吧。
【 在 TopHuang (Raptor) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一个底层左派，说话装模作样到处忽悠搞的自己好像是川普枕边风似的
: TG民主党左棍造谣起来真的是一脉相承
咋能判断中土想让懂王下台？懂王赢了中土还偷着乐呢
你真是门外汉还喜欢当troll，谁有空和你浪费那么多时间
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你在那个技术楼里被我驳斥的哑口无言了，跑这里来给我扣帽子来了，呵呵。你倒是说
: 说我的推测有哪点不对吧。
你拿cookies来比抖音的推荐算法。不知道instagram story是啥。还拿一个落后fb 5年的google plus，跟同年推出的lasso，tiktok谈timing....你真“内行”呀。我手下如果有像你这种分析水平的，早就被fire了。
【 在 TopHuang (Raptor) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你真是门外汉还喜欢当troll，谁有空和你浪费那么多时间