A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as once thought. But not all experts agree.
The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease, cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so.
Those results run counter to long established health guidelines to reduce the consumption of red and processed meats because of their links to cancer and poor cardiovascular health.
In a statement, the non-profit Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine called the results "misrepresentations" and said that there's abundant evidence linking red and processed meat to heart disease and "increased risk of premature death."
It also found the findings are a "major disservice to public health," and called on the journal to issue a public retraction.
The American Heart Association called the conclusions of the study " questionable."
"The American Heart Association continues to recommend that adults should eat an overall healthy eating pattern – full of vegetables, fruits, nuts, legumes, whole grains, lean protein and fish; Limiting foods high in saturated fat and dietary cholesterol, and minimizing trans fats, sodium ( salt), processed meats, refined carbohydrates and sweetened beverages. The overall picture is key, not just one food or food group," said Dr. Alice H. Lichtenstein, American Heart Association volunteer and Gershoff Professor of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University.
The results of the studies are not official guidelines nor are they endorsed by any government or health body. In fact, hundreds of leading doctors, scientists and nutritionists are calling the publication reckless and inaccurate.
The research from these studies showed significant decreases in cardiovascular disease, cancer, mortality and diabetes with lower meat consumption. So this should not change current recommendations to eat a healthy, balanced pattern of food that is limited in red and processed meat.
【 在 rbs (jay) 的大作中提到: 】 : A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as : once thought. But not all experts agree. : The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's : little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease, : cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who : eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so. : Those results run counter to long establis
【 在 rbs (jay) 的大作中提到: 】 : A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as : once thought. But not all experts agree. : The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's : little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease, : cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who : eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so. : Those results run counter to long established health guidelines to reduce : the consumption of red and processed meats because of their links to cancer : and poor cardiovascular health. : In a statement, the non-profit Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine : ...................
【 在 rbs (jay) 的大作中提到: 】 : A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as : once thought. But not all experts agree. : The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's : little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease, : cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who : eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so. : Those results run counter to long established health guidelines to reduce : the consumption of red and processed meats because of their links to cancer : and poor cardiovascular health. : In a statement, the non-profit Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine : ...................
这些 哈弗 之类的“精英”学校,又在政客的支持下(领头几十年的是Iowa的Tom Harkin)热衷于 alternative medicine 的研究。搞了30年,没能证明任何一个 alternative medicine 的疗法有效,但还是跟利益团体一起把 alternative medicine 搞进了Obamacare 规定的保险公司必须报销的项目里。
A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as
once thought. But not all experts agree.
The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's
little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease,
cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who
eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so.
Those results run counter to long established health guidelines to reduce
the consumption of red and processed meats because of their links to cancer and poor cardiovascular health.
In a statement, the non-profit Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine called the results "misrepresentations" and said that there's abundant
evidence linking red and processed meat to heart disease and "increased risk of premature death."
It also found the findings are a "major disservice to public health," and
called on the journal to issue a public retraction.
The American Heart Association called the conclusions of the study "
questionable."
"The American Heart Association continues to recommend that adults should
eat an overall healthy eating pattern – full of vegetables, fruits, nuts,
legumes, whole grains, lean protein and fish; Limiting foods high in
saturated fat and dietary cholesterol, and minimizing trans fats, sodium (
salt), processed meats, refined carbohydrates and sweetened beverages. The
overall picture is key, not just one food or food group," said Dr. Alice H. Lichtenstein, American Heart Association volunteer and Gershoff Professor of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University.
The results of the studies are not official guidelines nor are they endorsed by any government or health body. In fact, hundreds of leading doctors,
scientists and nutritionists are calling the publication reckless and
inaccurate.
The research from these studies showed significant decreases in
cardiovascular disease, cancer, mortality and diabetes with lower meat
consumption. So this should not change current recommendations to eat a
healthy, balanced pattern of food that is limited in red and processed meat.
还是少吃吧,什么RESEARCH,多少的样本,做了几年,谁知道呢
最近火爆的Keto diet好象就说吃大肥肉没事,还减肥。不知什么原理。
【 在 rbs (jay) 的大作中提到: 】
: A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as
: once thought. But not all experts agree.
: The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's : little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease,
: cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who : eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so.
: Those results run counter to long establis
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我看大虾是最健康的肉,比鱼还好。
【 在 smallburrito (smallburrito) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还是少吃吧,什么RESEARCH,多少的样本,做了几年,谁知道呢
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
太祖没少吃红烧肉活80多
虾的胆固醇含量很高的吧,而且鱼虾吃多了会引起痛风的,
其实啥吃多了都不好,还是杂食少吃,油盐酱醋都要少放。
癌症其实就只自己的细胞长疯了控制不住。领导们有专业
医生团队天天护理,住的是301高级医院,用的是美国进口
的新药,据说外汇储备的三分之一要拿去给中央领导延年益寿的。
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我看大虾是最健康的肉,比鱼还好。
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喜欢吃红烧肉的都是低端人口(参见呆湾林教授)
【 在 rbs (jay) 的大作中提到: 】
: 太祖没少吃红烧肉活80多
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
试过一段时间,戒糖感觉很好
里面说的大量fat并不是肥肉,是橄榄油以及其它含omega-3 oil多的鱼肉什么的
可以参见
https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 最近火爆的Keto diet好象就说吃大肥肉没事,还减肥。不知什么原理。
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
一段时间?why stop?
【 在 hamsterdam4 (Tears in rain) 的大作中提到: 】
: 试过一段时间,戒糖感觉很好
: 里面说的大量fat并不是肥肉,是橄榄油以及其它含omega-3 oil多的鱼肉什么的
: 可以参见
: https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
天天只吃肉遭不住啊
也想吃饭和面包
但是差不多不再吃糖(饮料,candy)了,还是比之前有进步
其实keto还是挺爽的,可以放心吃肉,不会觉得疲乏,还能减肥
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一段时间?why stop?
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
小黄人戒了米饭,猪肉,然后一个星期去gym和白牛一起跑个十迈,足矣。
所有不增加运动量的减肥计划都和三哥登月是一个性质的!
【 在 hamsterdam4 (Tears in rain) 的大作中提到: 】
: 天天只吃肉遭不住啊
: 也想吃饭和面包
: 但是差不多不再吃糖(饮料,candy)了,还是比之前有进步
: 其实keto还是挺爽的,可以放心吃肉,不会觉得疲乏,还能减肥
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戒了米饭面包馒头面条,小黄人坚持不了三个月的吧,
性欲减退,头昏眼花,不男不女。
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 小黄人戒了米饭,猪肉,然后一个星期去gym和白牛一起跑个十迈,足矣。
: 所有不增加运动量的减肥计划都和三哥登月是一个性质的!
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
一天一斤刷羊肉、看看性欲如何!
【 在 smallburrito (smallburrito) 的大作中提到: 】
: 戒了米饭面包馒头面条,小黄人坚持不了三个月的吧,
: 性欲减退,头昏眼花,不男不女。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
这个又不跟你锻炼冲突,有足够的能量,之前也说过了,不会觉得疲乏
我觉得短期没有任何问题,长期看有人说对身体不好,现在没有实证证明
要小心的就是要多吃蔬菜不然容易便秘的说
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 小黄人戒了米饭,猪肉,然后一个星期去gym和白牛一起跑个十迈,足矣。
: 所有不增加运动量的减肥计划都和三哥登月是一个性质的!
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
只吃涮羊肉那还不窜稀,火锅里那些油那些料,石蜡矿物油都糊你肝上了。
刷羊肉30%+的脂肪,这样吃会三高而死的,我根本就不吃涮羊肉这种垃圾食品
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一天一斤刷羊肉、看看性欲如何!
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
那就冲蛋白粉水那种精液一样的东西好了!
【 在 hamsterdam4 (Tears in rain) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个又不跟你锻炼冲突,有足够的能量,之前也说过了,不会觉得疲乏
: 我觉得短期没有任何问题,长期看有人说对身体不好,现在没有实证证明
: 要小心的就是要多吃蔬菜不然容易便秘的说
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
石蜡人体不吸收吧?
【 在 smallburrito (smallburrito) 的大作中提到: 】
: 只吃涮羊肉那还不窜稀,火锅里那些油那些料,石蜡矿物油都糊你肝上了。
: 刷羊肉30%+的脂肪,这样吃会三高而死的,我根本就不吃涮羊肉这种垃圾食品
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
你们这都是什么比喻啊?!
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那就冲蛋白粉水那种精液一样的东西好了!
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有人叫嚣不运动也能减肥,这是异端,当处石刑!
【 在 sonice (老好人) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你们这都是什么比喻啊?!
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我试过 你呢 没有调查就没有发言权
【 在 weidong (伊拉克学习小组副组长) 的大作中提到: 】
: 有人叫嚣不运动也能减肥,这是异端,当处石刑!
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5
本来就没事
欧美吃红肉
大部分都是淹渍的
剩下的是煎烤
要么半生不熟
中国人和中东人吃红肉
基本都是新鲜的,而且加工方式主要是炖煮
什么都听专家的就什么都别吃了,死了算了
除了烤焦、烟熏的红肉,其它的有关红肉的所谓致癌致心脏病证据非常弱。现在跳出来要求迟发或者撤掉这篇文章的都是靠宣扬假证据吃饭的,跟以前宣扬高碳水化合物有益健康的是同一“学派”。
【 在 rbs (jay) 的大作中提到: 】
: A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as
: once thought. But not all experts agree.
: The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's : little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease,
: cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who : eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so.
: Those results run counter to long established health guidelines to reduce : the consumption of red and processed meats because of their links to
cancer
: and poor cardiovascular health.
: In a statement, the non-profit Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine
: ...................
千老误国!
【 在 lmh (Low, Medium, High) 的大作中提到: 】
: 除了烤焦的红肉,其它的有关红肉的所谓致癌致心脏病证据非常弱。现在跳出来要求迟
: 发或者撤掉这篇文章的都是靠宣扬假证据吃饭的,跟以前宣扬高碳水化合物有益健康的
: 是同一“学派”。
: cancer
: Medicine
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虾的胆固醇含量很高 的说法来自于一个测量方法错误的实验,连胆固醇和麦角固醇都
分不出来的方法。
【 在 smallburrito (smallburrito) 的大作中提到: 】
: 虾的胆固醇含量很高的吧,而且鱼虾吃多了会引起痛风的,
: 其实啥吃多了都不好,还是杂食少吃,油盐酱醋都要少放。
: 癌症其实就只自己的细胞长疯了控制不住。领导们有专业
: 医生团队天天护理,住的是301高级医院,用的是美国进口
: 的新药,据说外汇储备的三分之一要拿去给中央领导延年益寿的。
红肉,海鲜,红酒,上好的巧克力都不应该吃,
因为贵。
【 在 rbs (jay) 的大作中提到: 】
: A review of recent research concludes eating red meat may not be as bad as
: once thought. But not all experts agree.
: The studies published in the Annals of Internal Medicine conclude there's : little to no effects from eating meat on illnesses like heart disease,
: cancer or diabetes. The controversial study also recommends consumers who : eat as much as four servings a week can continue to do so.
: Those results run counter to long established health guidelines to reduce : the consumption of red and processed meats because of their links to
cancer
: and poor cardiovascular health.
: In a statement, the non-profit Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine
: ...................
还是同一学派,宣扬动物脂肪致病、多不饱和的植物油好,现在几十年过去是什么结果?越是多不饱和的植物油吃的多的,心血管病和自身免疫病发病越是高,过敏也特别多。
这些在代谢的分子原理上都很清楚,还在那儿就拿个红肉、白肉、动物、植物来区分。现在这些人宣扬大量吃水果,水果里的果糖 没害,因为是来自于 “健康的” 水果。
MD,你先把水果定义成健康的,还要证据干什么。
【 在 lmh (Low, Medium, High) 的大作中提到: 】
: 除了烤焦的红肉,其它的有关红肉的所谓致癌致心脏病证据非常弱。现在跳出来要求迟
: 发或者撤掉这篇文章的都是靠宣扬假证据吃饭的,跟以前宣扬高碳水化合物有益健康的
: 是同一“学派”。
: cancer
: Medicine
这个“学派” 实际是 政府的喉舌,应该叫 政府喉舌食物宣传员。从歌颂碳水化物、
贬低动物脂肪、歌颂多不饱和脂肪酸到打击红肉,都是一些议员先发话,然后这些 “
科学家” 接过棒子的。
这些 哈弗 之类的“精英”学校,又在政客的支持下(领头几十年的是Iowa的Tom
Harkin)热衷于 alternative medicine 的研究。搞了30年,没能证明任何一个
alternative medicine 的疗法有效,但还是跟利益团体一起把 alternative medicine 搞进了Obamacare 规定的保险公司必须报销的项目里。
【 在 lmh (Low, Medium, High) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还是同一学派,宣扬动物脂肪致病、多不饱和的植物油好,现在几十年过去是什么结果
: ?越是多不饱和的植物油吃的多的,心血管病和自身免疫病发病越是高,过敏也特别多。
: 这些在代谢的分子原理上都很清楚,还在那儿就拿个红肉、白肉、动物、植物来区分。
: 现在这些人宣扬大量吃水果,水果里的果糖 没害,因为是来自于 “健康的” 水果。
: MD,你先把水果定义成健康的,还要证据干什么。
请问我们该吃什么不该吃什么?
【 在 lmh (Low, Medium, High) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还是同一学派,宣扬动物脂肪致病、多不饱和的植物油好,现在几十年过去是什么结果
: ?越是多不饱和的植物油吃的多的,心血管病和自身免疫病发病越是高,过敏也特别多。
: 这些在代谢的分子原理上都很清楚,还在那儿就拿个红肉、白肉、动物、植物来区分。
: 现在这些人宣扬大量吃水果,水果里的果糖 没害,因为是来自于 “健康的” 水果。
: MD,你先把水果定义成健康的,还要证据干什么。
饮食主要需要均衡,除此以外,吃的上面有很强证据的东西不多,我现在能立刻想起来的主要有:
1. 烧焦的东西有害,烟熏的东西有害
2. 腌渍的东西有害,但发酵的腌渍的东西又不一样,有的可能益处抵消了害处
3. 欧米茄-6含量高的多不饱和脂肪酸超量有害
4. 让血糖上升和下降太快的东西长期大量食用有害
5. 果糖超量有害,但人体需要一定量的果糖,很多水果里也有很多其它人体需要的东
西,所以别不吃水果,但像有些年轻姑娘那样用水果代替午饭是肯定不行的。
【 在 vanda (万代) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请问我们该吃什么不该吃什么?
: 多。
益生菌也是个很有意思的东西。如果有胃酸分泌低或者胆汁分泌低的问题,吃大量益生菌可以引起严重问题。主要是这些益生菌应该居于人体大肠内,比如你吃个没灭活的酸奶,从胃里和小肠过去后,胃酸胆汁和肠液要把残留在上消化道的这些菌基本都杀灭,不能基本都杀灭就有问题了。
【 在 vanda (万代) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请问我们该吃什么不该吃什么?
: 多。
类似于老军医秘方?
【 在 lmh (Low, Medium, High) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个“学派” 实际是 政府的喉舌,应该叫 政府喉舌食物宣传员。从歌颂碳水化物、
: 贬低动物脂肪、歌颂多不饱和脂肪酸到打击红肉,都是一些议员先发话,然后这些 “
: 科学家” 接过棒子的。
: 这些 哈弗 之类的“精英”学校,又在政客的支持下(领头几十年的是Iowa的Tom
: Harkin)热衷于 alternative medicine 的研究。搞了30年,没能
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烟熏的东西有害
==========
smoke的东西不要太好吃.
这些关于红肉致癌致病的研究都很粗糙,不区分烹饪方法,只有少数文章提到没有区分烧烤蒸煮,大多数文章提都不提;从世卫给了一个所谓的红肉定义后,也不区分到底是什么肉。
【 在 vanda (万代) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请问我们该吃什么不该吃什么?
: 多。
看完这一系列感觉老提神醒脑了...
【在 sonice(老好人)的大作中提到:】
:你们这都是什么比喻啊?!
:
老汉突然有了个大胆的想法,你从另外一头投放进去不就行了
博导长技又有用武之地了
【 在 lmh (Low, Medium, High) 的大作中提到: 】
: 益生菌也是个很有意思的东西。如果有胃酸分泌低或者胆汁分泌低的问题,吃大量益生
: 菌可以引起严重问题。主要是这些益生菌应该居于人体大肠内,比如你吃个没灭活的酸
: 奶,从胃里和小肠过去后,胃酸胆汁和肠液要把残留在上消化道的这些菌基本都杀灭,
: 不能基本都杀灭就有问题了。
性欲没上去,变个骚鞑子
【在 weidong(伊拉克学习小组副组长)的大作中提到:】
:一天一斤刷羊肉、看看性欲如何!
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