In response to the President's tweet, ACLU National Security Project Director Hina Shamsi said there is "no legal authority for designating a domestic group" as a terrorist organization.
"As this tweet demonstrates, terrorism is an inherently political label , easily abused and misused. There is no legal authority for designating a domestic group. Any such designation would raise significant due process and First Amendment concerns."
The Justice Department has studied the issue of creating a domestic terrorism law to apply to people involved in violence and who belong to domestic extremist groups, but the constitutional issues have been a hurdle to that effort.
也就是说,川普的推特:“The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization." 有点不知所云,因为截至目前为止,没有一 个单位负责这件事。不过他说话一向不负责任,比李登辉还糟糕,不意外。
FBI负责这个事啊。 MARTIN: The director of the FBI at the time, J. Edgar Hoover, did target the Black Panthers. He called the group a terrorist organization. He set up a special unit within the FBI to monitor you and other members. How did the Panthers respond to that? 当然,你可以说J. Edgar Hoover滥用权力。 但是,FBI被指为滥用权力还不是常态? 例如,通俄调查。
【 在 ai1901 (笑看众生) 的大作中提到: 】 : http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-antifa-protests/index.html : In response to the President's tweet, ACLU National Security Project : Director Hina Shamsi said there is "no legal authority for designating a : domestic group" as a terrorist organization. : "As this tweet demonstrates, terrorism is an inherently political label : , : easily abused and misused. There is no legal authority for designating a : domestic group. Any such designation would raise significant due process and : First Amendment concerns." : The Justice Department has studied the issue of creating a domestic : ...................
【 在 YXLM (非要昵称不可吗) 的大作中提到: 】 : FBI负责这个事啊。 : MARTIN: The director of the FBI at the time, J. Edgar Hoover, did target : the Black Panthers. He called the group a terrorist organization. He set up : a special unit within the FBI to monitor you and other members. How did the : Panthers respond to that? : 当然,你可以说J. Edgar Hoover滥用权力。 : 但是,FBI被指为滥用权力还不是常态? : 例如,通俄调查。 : 对了,顺便排个毒。 : 很多人都喜欢说:既然川粉反对政府相关机构滥用权力打击川普和右派,那就应该 : ...................
【 在 YXLM (非要昵称不可吗) 的大作中提到: 】 : FBI负责这个事啊。 : MARTIN: The director of the FBI at the time, J. Edgar Hoover, did target : the Black Panthers. He called the group a terrorist organization. He set up : a special unit within the FBI to monitor you and other members. How did the : Panthers respond to that? : 当然,你可以说J. Edgar Hoover滥用权力。 : 但是,FBI被指为滥用权力还不是常态? : 例如,通俄调查。 : 对了,顺便排个毒。 : 很多人都喜欢说:既然川粉反对政府相关机构滥用权力打击川普和右派,那就应该 : ...................
In response to the President's tweet, ACLU National Security Project
Director Hina Shamsi said there is "no legal authority for designating a
domestic group" as a terrorist organization.
"As this tweet demonstrates, terrorism is an inherently political label
,
easily abused and misused. There is no legal authority for designating a
domestic group. Any such designation would raise significant due process and First Amendment concerns."
The Justice Department has studied the issue of creating a domestic
terrorism law to apply to people involved in violence and who belong to
domestic extremist groups, but the constitutional issues have been a hurdle to that effort.
因为有这个难处,所以除了民间组织 SPLC 有一个他们自认的国内恐怖组织名单以外,并没有政府认证的名单,(国务院有一个恐怖组织名单,不过那是针对国外的)。
也就是说,川普的推特:“The United States of America will be designating
ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization." 有点不知所云,因为截至目前为止,没有一
个单位负责这件事。不过他说话一向不负责任,比李登辉还糟糕,不意外。
FBI负责这个事啊。
MARTIN: The director of the FBI at the time, J. Edgar Hoover, did target the Black Panthers. He called the group a terrorist organization. He set up a special unit within the FBI to monitor you and other members. How did the Panthers respond to that?
当然,你可以说J. Edgar Hoover滥用权力。
但是,FBI被指为滥用权力还不是常态?
例如,通俄调查。
对了,顺便排个毒。
很多人都喜欢说:既然川粉反对政府相关机构滥用权力打击川普和右派,那就应该赞同限制政府权力,不打击左派。
这个只是他们希望川普和川粉干的事。敌人最好是打不还手。
但川普不同。川普是说过“不要自由贸易,只要公平贸易”的人。
【 在 ai1901 (笑看众生) 的大作中提到: 】
: http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-antifa-protests/index.html
: In response to the President's tweet, ACLU National Security Project
: Director Hina Shamsi said there is "no legal authority for designating a
: domestic group" as a terrorist organization.
: "As this tweet demonstrates, terrorism is an inherently political label
: ,
: easily abused and misused. There is no legal authority for designating a
: domestic group. Any such designation would raise significant due process
and
: First Amendment concerns."
: The Justice Department has studied the issue of creating a domestic
: ...................
不一样,我说的是没有单位负责定性谁是恐怖组织并 maintain 一个名单。
【 在 YXLM (非要昵称不可吗) 的大作中提到: 】
: FBI负责这个事啊。
: MARTIN: The director of the FBI at the time, J. Edgar Hoover, did
target
: the Black Panthers. He called the group a terrorist organization. He set up
: a special unit within the FBI to monitor you and other members. How did
the
: Panthers respond to that?
: 当然,你可以说J. Edgar Hoover滥用权力。
: 但是,FBI被指为滥用权力还不是常态?
: 例如,通俄调查。
: 对了,顺便排个毒。
: 很多人都喜欢说:既然川粉反对政府相关机构滥用权力打击川普和右派,那就应该
: ...................
凡是你不喜欢的人说的话,你就一定按“不合理”的方式理解。
【 在 ai1901 (笑看众生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不一样,我说的是没有单位负责定性谁是恐怖组织并 maintain 一个名单。
先生,我耐着性子给你解释:
前面说了,有个法律让国务院 maintain 一个国外恐怖组织的名单。我说好像没有某个单位负责 maintain 一个「国内」恐怖组织的名单。你说的胡佛只是他个人行为,不是如国务院那种制度化的制度。
我的中文表达能力如何?让您理解了没?谢谢顶楼。
【 在 YXLM(非要昵称不可吗) 的大作中提到: 】
: 凡是你不喜欢的人说的话,你就一定按“不合理”的方式理解。
恐怖主义分子不享有人权,是罪犯。
关键看恐怖组织的认定理由,按提法认定为恐怖组织绝不冤。你们支持恐怖活动,应该也要洗心革面重新做人。
【 在 YXLM (非要昵称不可吗) 的大作中提到: 】
: FBI负责这个事啊。
: MARTIN: The director of the FBI at the time, J. Edgar Hoover, did
target
: the Black Panthers. He called the group a terrorist organization. He set up
: a special unit within the FBI to monitor you and other members. How did
the
: Panthers respond to that?
: 当然,你可以说J. Edgar Hoover滥用权力。
: 但是,FBI被指为滥用权力还不是常态?
: 例如,通俄调查。
: 对了,顺便排个毒。
: 很多人都喜欢说:既然川粉反对政府相关机构滥用权力打击川普和右派,那就应该
: ...................
你非要理解成制度化的制度。
而实际上,即便有这个制度,川普说这个话还是会被诟病。因为有这个制度,必然有评估机制,而川普发推,显然没经过那个机制。
【 在 ai1901 (笑看众生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 先生,我耐着性子给你解释:
: 前面说了,有个法律让国务院 maintain 一个国外恐怖组织的名单。我说好像没有某个
: 单位负责 maintain 一个「国内」恐怖组织的名单。你说的胡佛只是他个人行为,不是
: 如国务院那种制度化的制度。
: 我的中文表达能力如何?让您理解了没?谢谢顶楼。
总算看到你说对一次话了 :-) 是的,就算有这个机制,也不是他单口相声就可以宣布
的。他从不尊重体制对错真假,一张嘴什么都来。这种人混美新版都会被鄙视。
【 在 YXLM (非要昵称不可吗) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你非要理解成制度化的制度。
: 而实际上,即便有这个制度,川普说这个话还是会被诟病。因为有这个制度,必然
: 有评估机制,而川普发推,显然没经过那个机制。
就这么说吧。
一个理想的社会应该是:我可以张嘴就来,总统一般不这么做。
但既然我被禁止说话,那我就只能指望总统张嘴就来了。
川普之所以能当总统,就是因为美国向往自由的人民,要以此对抗政治正确。
你们对川普的痛恨,使你们习惯于在川普身上找茬儿,然而实际上,川普也没犯什么实质性错误。例如,总统表达对antifa的痛恨,乃至威胁,总比主媒故意用片面宣传的方式煽动暴乱要好。
【 在 ai1901 (笑看众生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 总算看到你说对一次话了 :-) 是的,就算有这个机制,也不是他单口相声就可以宣布
: 的。他从不尊重体制对错真假,一张嘴什么都来。这种人混美新版都会被鄙视。