"In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!”
Fox News is told the 60-day pause will apply to Green Card awardees who are currently overseas. These are people who would be coming into the country via the State Department program.
President Trump is acting properly and justifiably to temporarily suspend immigration to the U.S., former ICE acting director and Fox News contributor Tom Homan says.
This includes people awarded permanent residence under the diversity lottery, work green cards and chain migration. People who are seeking Green Cards under US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) are already in the country, so they are not subject to the pause.
American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) reports the May 2020 Visa Bulletin has not been cleared for release to the public. The presumption is that it is being delayed for release until after the executive order is issued.
【 在 sash4 (sash4) 的大作中提到: 】 : 刚刚推特看到的 : 大家觉得这代表什么? : 就要不能file I-140 跟 I-485 了吗? : 还没file的人 要加快脚步了 : "In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to : protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an : Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!”
"It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our interpretation that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US. but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129 in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further information after the Executive Order is released.
That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal challenges at federal courts.
We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would affect your applications."
【 在 sathy (sathy) 的大作中提到: 】 : WG刚才发了这个公告: : "It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order : would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our interpretation : that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US. : but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129 : in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further : information after the Executive Order is released. : That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal : challenges at federal courts. : We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would : ...................
WG还挺专业，这么晚了也发了 【 在 sathy (sathy) 的大作中提到: 】 : WG刚才发了这个公告: : "It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order : would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our interpretation : that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US. : but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129 : in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further : information after the Executive Order is released. : That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal : challenges at federal courts. : We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would : ...................
如果所有都停了 律所也好关门了 【 在 sathy (sathy) 的大作中提到: 】 : WG刚才发了这个公告: : "It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order : would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our interpretation : that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US. : but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129 : in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further : information after the Executive Order is released. : That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal : challenges at federal courts. : We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would : ...................
A second administration official told CNN the EO will be a "temporary 120 days or so" halt on "some" work visas to mitigate some of the unemployment concerns related to the pandemic.
The new policy would deny entry for people seeking most types of work visas for at least 90 days, according to a draft order obtained by Bloomberg News.
.....
The ban would also not apply to health care or medical research professionals, according to the draft.
Technology industry workers living in the U.S. on H-1B visas would need to provide updated certifications to the government that they are not displacing American workers.
Refugees and asylum seekers would not be affected by the order, nor would spouses and children of U.S. citizens or permanent residents.
Justice Department is reviewing the executive order for form and legality, one department official said.
Instead, the executive order will focus on preventing people from obtaining permission to live and work in the United States.
American citizens seeking to bring their children or spouses to the United States would still be allowed to do so, the person said.
But the path to winning permanent legal status in the United States would beblocked for most other foreigners, including the relatives of current green card holders and those seeking green cards based on a job offer, the person said.
President Donald Trump’s new executive order banning immigration to the United States will last 30 to 90 days with the chance of renewal and apply narrowly to those seeking permanent immigration status, a senior administration official said.
Other workers such as those on so-called H1-B visas would be covered in a separate action, the official said.
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】 : too early to confirm anything : NYTimes: : http://nyti.ms/2XU2s0t
"By pausing immigration we'll help put Americans first in line for jobs as America reopens. It would be wrong and unjust for Americans laid off by the virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad."
这个fly用的是过去式啊，意思不是已经进来的么 【 在 gharm (拉拉呼) 的大作中提到: 】 : "By pausing immigration we'll help put Americans first in line for jobs as : America reopens. It would be wrong and unjust for Americans laid off by the : virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad."
“Today, on 4/21, he provided further information during the COVID 19 White House Briefing that the Executive Order(EO) is to prevent "Americans laid off by the virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad." He also mentioned that the EO would not apply to people entering on a temporary basis which should refer to nonimmigrant visas such as H1B, O1, etc. Therefore, we think the EO may suspend the entry of aliens on an immigrant visa as well as immigrant visa processing (IVP) for at least 60 days, but it should not affect the filing and processing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129 within the U.S. by USCIS. We will provide further information after the EO is released.
That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, may face legal challenges at federal courts.
We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would affect your applications.”
不明白川普哪里说只影响国外的了，可能WG还是考虑了法律的可行性 【 在 zhsh268198 (Kershawer) 的大作中提到: 】 : WG 刚刚又发了一个公告， : “Today, on 4/21, he provided further information during the COVID 19 White : House Briefing that the Executive Order(EO) is to prevent "Americans laid : off by the virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad. : " He also mentioned that the EO would not apply to people entering on a : temporary basis which should refer to nonimmigrant visas such as H1B, O1, : etc. Therefore, we think the EO may suspend the entry of aliens on an : immigrant visa as well as immigrant visa processing (IVP) for at least 60 : days, but it should not affect the filing and processing of I-140, I-485, I- : 765, I-131 or I-129 within the U.S. by USCIS. We will provide further : ...................
嗯。我的第一感觉是new immigrant labor (who have) flown in from abroad.当然这么省略语法不太对，不过是既然说话的是川普 【 在 gharm (拉拉呼) 的大作中提到: 】 : Not past tense. : new immigrant labor (who are) flown in from abroad.
The President will sign an executive order that will suspend the issuance of green cards for 60 days. It appears nonimmigrants will not be impacted by the executive order.
President Trump said Tuesday that his administration would temporarily bar new immigrants, including some family members of U.S. citizens and foreign workers looking to move to the U.S., in the next 60 days under a new executive order. https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-order-would-temporarily-bar-family- members-of-u-s-citizens-foreign-workers-from-immigrating-11587504410
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】 : 嗯。我的第一感觉是new immigrant labor (who have) flown in from abroad.当然这 : 么省略语法不太对，不过是既然说话的是川普
President Trump said Tuesday that his administration would temporarily bar new immigrants, including some family members of U.S. citizens and foreign workers looking to move to the U.S., in the next 60 days under a new executive order.
The executive order wouldn’t impact immigrants already living in the U.S. or foreigners coming on temporary visas for work or travel.
The executive order is less restrictive than advocates on both sides of the immigration debate had earlier expected, and doesn’t impact most employment-based immigration, the order’s stated purpose.
About 90% of employment-based green cards go to people already living in the U.S., on temporary visas that the order doesn’t touch.
“It’s a PR stunt more than anything else,” said Mark Krikorian, president of the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit that advocates eliminating most temporary work-based visas
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】 : WSJ: http://on.wsj.com/3bsiCT1 : President Trump said Tuesday that his administration would temporarily bar : new immigrants, including some family members of U.S. citizens and foreign : workers looking to move to the U.S., in the next 60 days under a new : executive order. : The executive order wouldn’t impact immigrants already living in the U.S. : or foreigners coming on temporary visas for work or travel. : The executive order is less restrictive than advocates on both sides of the : immigration debate had earlier expected, and doesn’t impact most : employment-based immigration, the order’s stated purpose. : ...................
Arguably, the President has the power to control the border under INA 212(f)which grants broad authority to “suspend the entry of all aliens … as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens in any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
Indeed, the President has done this previously, by banning the entry of individuals from certain nations, most recently including China.
The President does not have the authority, however, to restrict immigrant applications from within the U.S., meaning that individuals and companies can still file applications for changes of status and extensions of stay, as well as for adjustment of status to lawful permanent residence.
这个说法很多人在用，不知道靠不靠谱 【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】 : Interpretation from one Law firm : http://t.ly/hndn : Arguably, the President has the power to control the border under INA 212(f) : which grants broad authority to “suspend the entry of all aliens … as : immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens in any : restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.” : Indeed, the President has done this previously, by banning the entry of : individuals from certain nations, most recently including China. : The President does not have the authority, however, to restrict immigrant : applications from within the U.S., meaning that individuals and companies : ...................
刚刚推特看到的
大家觉得这代表什么?
就要不能file I-140 跟 I-485 了吗?
还没file的人 要加快脚步了
"In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to
protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an
Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!”
🔥 最新回帖
Fox News说签了，只影响目前在美国外的绿卡持有人，目前在国内USCIS处理的不影响
，虚惊一场
Fox News说签了，只影响目前在美国外的绿卡持有人，目前在国内USCIS处理的不影响
，虚惊一场
Fox News is told the 60-day pause will apply to Green Card awardees who are currently overseas. These are people who would be coming into the country
via the State Department program.
President Trump is acting properly and justifiably to temporarily suspend
immigration to the U.S., former ICE acting director and Fox News contributor Tom Homan says.
This includes people awarded permanent residence under the diversity lottery, work green cards and chain migration. People who are seeking Green Cards
under US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) are already in the
country, so they are not subject to the pause.
The executive order is now signed.
From Murthy Law Firm
http://bit.ly/2XVjAmI
American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) reports the May 2020 Visa
Bulletin has not been cleared for release to the public. The presumption is that it is being delayed for release until after the executive order is
issued.
🛋️ 沙发板凳
现在140不能pp
现在file估计也来不及了
收上去了的140 没准也得被退件
还有没有支持川普的？惨。完全就是反移民，已经在美国的有什么增加病毒风险的？还保障美国人工作？这是要把没入籍的都踢出去，给美国人留饭？
正在申请中的H1B怎么办？
485呢？
【 在 justiceleo (leo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还有没有支持川普的？惨。完全就是反移民，已经在美国的有什么增加病毒风险的？还
: 保障美国人工作？这是要把没入籍的都踢出去，给美国人留饭？
中国也在赶非洲人
【 在 justiceleo (leo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还有没有支持川普的？惨。完全就是反移民，已经在美国的有什么增加病毒风险的？还
: 保障美国人工作？这是要把没入籍的都踢出去，给美国人留饭？
加快脚步估计也来不及吧
只能希望 他说的immigration 不包含I-140 跟 I-485
【 在 sash4 (sash4) 的大作中提到: 】
: 刚刚推特看到的
: 大家觉得这代表什么?
: 就要不能file I-140 跟 I-485 了吗?
: 还没file的人 要加快脚步了
: "In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to
: protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an
: Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!”
【 在 niels59 (niels59) 的大作中提到: 】
: 加快脚步估计也来不及吧
: 只能希望 他说的immigration 不包含I-140 跟 I-485
140不就是petition to immigrat*
估计140就不收了
正在review的退掉
看到别的论坛有说 推测是比较针对H1B的
不过我认为 应该140 跟485 也逃不掉
【 在 jackjiang2 (jackjiang2) 的大作中提到: 】
: 140不就是petition to immigrat*
: 估计140就不收了
: 正在review的退掉
所以排期到现在都没出是因为这个么？
140本身既不能用来入境，也不能用来持有身份，区别不大了
受打击最大的是亲属移民
【 在 chott (chott) 的大作中提到: 】
: 看到别的论坛有说 推测是比较针对H1B的
: 不过我认为 应该140 跟485 也逃不掉
【 在 chott (chott) 的大作中提到: 】
: 看到别的论坛有说 推测是比较针对H1B的
: 不过我认为 应该140 跟485 也逃不掉
唉 我的情况就很蛋疼
140刚交上去 还不让pp
天呐，已经递交了485了。本来面试都安排了，因为疫情给取消了。。。不会就这样要
打包走人了吧
WG刚才发了这个公告:
"It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order
would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our interpretation that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US.
but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129
in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further
information after the Executive Order is released.
That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal
challenges at federal courts.
We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would
affect your applications."
大家先静观其变
WG反应这么快! 希望律师的推测是正确的..
【 在 sathy (sathy) 的大作中提到: 】
: WG刚才发了这个公告:
: "It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order
: would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our
interpretation
: that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US.
: but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129
: in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further
: information after the Executive Order is released.
: That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal
: challenges at federal courts.
: We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would
: ...................
WG还挺专业，这么晚了也发了
【 在 sathy (sathy) 的大作中提到: 】
: WG刚才发了这个公告:
: "It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order
: would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our
interpretation
: that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US.
: but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129
: in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further
: information after the Executive Order is released.
: That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal
: challenges at federal courts.
: We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would
: ...................
大律所还是比较可靠的
早早发公告出来 没让客户整晚担心瞎猜
不过未来还是谁都不能保证会怎么发展..
希望如wg所言吧!
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: WG还挺专业，这么晚了也发了
: interpretation
他用的词是immigration into, not immigrants into.
如果他英文还不错的话，他指的是移民这事儿，而不是移民这些人吧
你想说啥？
【 在 eops (eops) 的大作中提到: 】
: 他用的词是immigration into, not immigrants into.
: 如果他英文还不错的话，他指的是移民这事儿，而不是移民这些人吧
想说他想暂停移民这事，而不仅仅是暂停让移民入境。
那移民这件事 + into USA是怎么理解呢
【 在 eops (eops) 的大作中提到: 】
: 想说他想暂停移民这事，而不仅仅是暂停让移民入境。
纽约时报发新闻了，
封杀绿卡+工作签证
菌斑上有人提了 “你确信巨巨能区分这两词？”
巨巨给个精神 具体内容这几天有关部门就会公布的
大家静候吧
【 在 eops (eops) 的大作中提到: 】
: 他用的词是immigration into, not immigrants into.
: 如果他英文还不错的话，他指的是移民这事儿，而不是移民这些人吧
wg还能怎么说
当然是拣对自己有利的说了 反正现在都是猜 猜错了也不用负责任
如果所有都停了 律所也好关门了
【 在 sathy (sathy) 的大作中提到: 】
: WG刚才发了这个公告:
: "It was not immediately clear what Trump was referring to or how his order
: would be carried out. Based on current information, it is our
interpretation
: that the executive order may suspend the entry of all aliens into the US.
: but it should not affect the filing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129
: in the U.S. or the processing of these cases. We will provide further
: information after the Executive Order is released.
: That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, is likely to face legal
: challenges at federal courts.
: We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would
: ...................
大金毛分得清140，485和H1b吗？可能一块干掉了吧。
A second administration official told CNN the EO will be a "temporary 120
days or so" halt on "some" work visas to mitigate some of the unemployment
concerns related to the pandemic.
目前几个可能，依次由破坏力最小到破坏力最大。
1. 只是打嘴炮，毫无变化。这个可能性很小，因为已经有内部人士在twitter上说这个EO已经在白宫内酝酿很久了（会有豁免）
2. 只是影响入境，不影响已经在境内的人交140和485。这是各大律所的说法。但是律
所肯定倾向于说乐观的，不然他们没法工作了。
3. 影响入境，同时不再接受新的140,485，h1b等移民与非移民签证申请。这个对于已
经交了申请的人来说没有影响，但还没交的就比较惨。
4. 直接halt所有绿卡流程，H1B和OPT不受影响。目前最有可能的情况。
5. 直接halt所有绿卡，H1B，OPT等移民与非移民签证的处理。这个破坏性有点大，感
觉可能性小于3和4.
6. 直接作废所有还没有绿卡的人的移民签证和非移民签证申请。这应该是所有人都不
想看到的，直接结果就是大批人将失业和遣返。
7. 没有美国护照的一律一视同仁，直接作废所有非移民签证和移民签证的状态与申请
。到了这一步，大家就各找出路吧。
目前律师的说法倾向于1和2，我个人的直觉倾向于3，4或者5。至于到底会怎么样，天
知道。
个人觉得3的可能性比较大
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 目前几个可能，依次由破坏力最小到破坏力最大。
: 1. 只是打嘴炮，毫无变化。这个可能性很小，因为已经有内部人士在twitter上说这个
: EO已经在白宫内酝酿很久了（会有豁免）
: 2. 只是影响入境，不影响已经在境内的人交140和485。这是各大律所的说法。但是律
: 所肯定倾向于说乐观的，不然他们没法工作了。
: 3. 影响入境，同时不再接受新的140,485，h1b等移民与非移民签证申请。这个对于已
: 经交了申请的人来说没有影响，但还没交的就比较惨。
: 4. 直接halt所有绿卡流程，H1B和OPT不受影响。目前最有可能的情况。
: 5. 直接halt所有绿卡，H1B，OPT等移民与非移民签证的处理。这个破坏性有点大，感
: 觉可能性小于3和4.
: ...................
总结的很全面了，赞
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 目前几个可能，依次由破坏力最小到破坏力最大。
: 1. 只是打嘴炮，毫无变化。这个可能性很小，因为已经有内部人士在twitter上说这个
: EO已经在白宫内酝酿很久了（会有豁免）
: 2. 只是影响入境，不影响已经在境内的人交140和485。这是各大律所的说法。但是律
: 所肯定倾向于说乐观的，不然他们没法工作了。
: 3. 影响入境，同时不再接受新的140,485，h1b等移民与非移民签证申请。这个对于已
: 经交了申请的人来说没有影响，但还没交的就比较惨。
: 4. 直接halt所有绿卡流程，H1B和OPT不受影响。目前最有可能的情况。
: 5. 直接halt所有绿卡，H1B，OPT等移民与非移民签证的处理。这个破坏性有点大，感
: 觉可能性小于3和4.
: ...................
如果他是经过计划的，我理解最坏的可能是暂停新的各类工作签证和绿卡申请的提交，并暂停批准已经提交了各类工作签证和绿卡的申请（有一些类别例外，时间120天），
暂停期过后可以提交新的申请和继续处理之前已经提交的申请。当然希望是远远好于这个最坏情况。
halt绿卡不halt h1b合理么。为啥H1b比绿卡申请者级别更高呢
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 目前几个可能，依次由破坏力最小到破坏力最大。
: 1. 只是打嘴炮，毫无变化。这个可能性很小，因为已经有内部人士在twitter上说这个
: EO已经在白宫内酝酿很久了（会有豁免）
: 2. 只是影响入境，不影响已经在境内的人交140和485。这是各大律所的说法。但是律
: 所肯定倾向于说乐观的，不然他们没法工作了。
: 3. 影响入境，同时不再接受新的140,485，h1b等移民与非移民签证申请。这个对于已
: 经交了申请的人来说没有影响，但还没交的就比较惨。
: 4. 直接halt所有绿卡流程，H1B和OPT不受影响。目前最有可能的情况。
: 5. 直接halt所有绿卡，H1B，OPT等移民与非移民签证的处理。这个破坏性有点大，感
: 觉可能性小于3和4.
: ...................
觉得这个可能性最大，也解释了为什么现在VB停了
【 在 rockme (flyinggame) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果他是经过计划的，我理解最坏的可能是暂停新的各类工作签证和绿卡申请的提交，
: 并暂停批准已经提交了各类工作签证和绿卡的申请（有一些类别例外，时间120天），
: 暂停期过后可以提交新的申请和继续处理之前已经提交的申请。当然希望是远远好于这
: 个最坏情况。
只是不让外国人入境了，或者加上不让申请140+485了，VB也会受很大影响。我想不明
白把pending的case停了有啥意义，pending的人既在美国境内，又已经可以合法工作，拖个120天排期有啥实际意义么？
【 在 JackFighter (jf~) 的大作中提到: 】
: 觉得这个可能性最大，也解释了为什么现在VB停了
因为trump的推特里提到了Immigration，h1b是非移民签证（只是允许dual intent），绿卡是移民签证。所以如果按字面意思理解的话，绿卡被影响的可能性更大。
前几个礼拜美国不是还鼓励全世界医务人员迅速拿H签证来美国救援么？很显然H签证美国是愿意给的，反正只cover 3年，没有140的话最多6年。。。。大不了用完再把人踢
了就是了。但绿卡理论上不revoke的话就没法管你了。
所以halt绿卡不halt h1b很合理。我个人倾向于绿卡会全面halt（可能家属移民和部分医疗口相关的专业可以豁免）。其实我也没上船，非常不希望绿卡会halt，但大家慢慢看吧。
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: halt绿卡不halt h1b合理么。为啥H1b比绿卡申请者级别更高呢
你觉得川普懂得严格官方定义的移民和非移民签证？事实是h1b很可能是川普唯一知道
的外国人能用来移民+抢工作的签证。如果这个用词是移民局给的还能说合理，然而不是
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 因为trump的推特里提到了Immigration，h1b是非移民签证（只是允许dual intent），
: 绿卡是移民签证。所以如果按字面意思理解的话，绿卡被影响的可能性更大。
: 前几个礼拜美国不是还鼓励全世界医务人员迅速拿H签证来美国救援么？很显然H签证美
: 国是愿意给的，反正只cover 3年，没有140的话最多6年。。。。大不了用完再把人踢
: 了就是了。但绿卡理论上不revoke的话就没法管你了。
: 所以halt绿卡不halt h1b很合理。我个人倾向于绿卡会全面halt（可能家属移民和部分
: 医疗口相关的专业可以豁免）。其实我也没上船，非常不希望绿卡会halt，但大家慢慢
: 看吧。
所有的都是猜测，等等看实际的政令是什么内容再说。
如果交了申请的没有影响，排期就没必要不出了，我看这个月不会出了
【 在 JackFighter (jf~) 的大作中提到: 】
: 觉得这个可能性最大，也解释了为什么现在VB停了
排期一定会出的。排期又不只影响交了申请的，等着排期到了交485的人远远多于已经
交了的吧
【 在 zerocoke (zerocoke) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果交了申请的没有影响，排期就没必要不出了，我看这个月不会出了
美帝又不是定于一尊，随便一个总统令还没出白宫，鸟不生蛋一个乡的法官就判个违宪，然后就是嘴炮两下。。。美帝的先进性其实就在这里
害 我还是最惨的 月初140支票被cash了 现在不上不下的
有条有理，细致到位
4的话为啥先保h1b，opt后保绿卡
我觉得反了
因为绿卡不一定抢工作，h1b opt是100%抢工作
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 目前几个可能，依次由破坏力最小到破坏力最大。
: 1. 只是打嘴炮，毫无变化。这个可能性很小，因为已经有内部人士在twitter上说这个
: EO已经在白宫内酝酿很久了（会有豁免）
: 2. 只是影响入境，不影响已经在境内的人交140和485。这是各大律所的说法。但是律
: 所肯定倾向于说乐观的，不然他们没法工作了。
: 3. 影响入境，同时不再接受新的140,485，h1b等移民与非移民签证申请。这个对于已
: 经交了申请的人来说没有影响，但还没交的就比较惨。
: 4. 直接halt所有绿卡流程，H1B和OPT不受影响。目前最有可能的情况。
: 5. 直接halt所有绿卡，H1B，OPT等移民与非移民签证的处理。这个破坏性有点大，感
: 觉可能性小于3和4.
: ...................
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: halt绿卡不halt h1b合理么。为啥H1b比绿卡申请者级别更高呢
re
很多绿卡包括了公民给父母办绿卡，根本都不存在就业可能了，H1B是最直接就业的，
如果纯粹为了保护国内就业，halt H1B更直接。当然希望3，4都不要发生。
应该主要在搞境内的人吧，在外面的大使馆都关门了，其实没什么从外面进来的了，只有在境内的人还占着工作，这么停了半年，一些人身份用光了，或者等到公司裁员,就
能腾出位置了吧。
从移民局的预算方面想，如果所有新的申请都被停掉，那么他们会损失很多收入，移民局的头估计也会请总统考虑这个因素。估计还有可能允许表格提交（收钱），但是不会批复。
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 目前几个可能，依次由破坏力最小到破坏力最大。
: 1. 只是打嘴炮，毫无变化。这个可能性很小，因为已经有内部人士在twitter上说这个
: EO已经在白宫内酝酿很久了（会有豁免）
: 2. 只是影响入境，不影响已经在境内的人交140和485。这是各大律所的说法。但是律
: 所肯定倾向于说乐观的，不然他们没法工作了。
: 3. 影响入境，同时不再接受新的140,485，h1b等移民与非移民签证申请。这个对于已
: 经交了申请的人来说没有影响，但还没交的就比较惨。
: 4. 直接halt所有绿卡流程，H1B和OPT不受影响。目前最有可能的情况。
: 5. 直接halt所有绿卡，H1B，OPT等移民与非移民签证的处理。这个破坏性有点大，感
: 觉可能性小于3和4.
: ...................
提交了485即使不批也有身份工作了啊
【 在 xxya (xxya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 应该主要在搞境内的人吧，在外面的大使馆都关门了，其实没什么从外面进来的了，只
: 有在境内的人还占着工作，这么停了半年，一些人身份用光了，或者等到公司裁员,
: 就能腾出位置了吧。
: 从移民局的预算方面想，如果所有新的申请都被停掉，那么他们会损失很多收入，移民
: 局的头估计也会请总统考虑这个因素。估计还有可能允许表格提交（收钱），但是不会
: 批复。
是有身份，不过combo也是要续的，批不下来的话，也有麻烦啊，还是看实施细则吧，
停的久的话，还是不少人有危险的吧。都是瞎猜，希望不会太糟吧
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 提交了485即使不批也有身份工作了啊
但愿会出。目前还看不出迹象...已经21号了
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 排期一定会出的。排期又不只影响交了申请的，等着排期到了交485的人远远多于已经
: 交了的吧
只要AOS pending就是可以续的，没有其他条件
【 在 xxya (xxya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 是有身份，不过combo也是要续的，批不下来的话，也有麻烦啊，还是看实施细则吧，
: 停的久的话，还是不少人有危险的吧。都是瞎猜，希望不会太糟吧
就算全是U也会出啊
【 在 zerocoke (zerocoke) 的大作中提到: 】
: 但愿会出。目前还看不出迹象...已经21号了
Bloomberg
http://bloom.bg/3btwH2i
The new policy would deny entry for people seeking most types of work visas for at least 90 days, according to a draft order obtained by Bloomberg News.
.....
The ban would also not apply to health care or medical research
professionals, according to the draft.
Technology industry workers living in the U.S. on H-1B visas would
need to provide updated certifications to the government that they are not
displacing American workers.
Refugees and asylum seekers would not be affected by the order, nor would
spouses and children of U.S. citizens or permanent residents.
Justice Department is reviewing the executive order for form and legality,
one department official said.
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】
: Bloomberg
: http://bloom.bg/3btwH2i
那就是说对485的批准没有影响了？
【 在 zhsh268198 (Kershawer) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那就是说对485的批准没有影响了？
too early to confirm anything
NYTimes:
http://nyti.ms/2XU2s0t
Instead, the executive order will focus on preventing people from obtaining
permission to live and work in the United States.
American citizens seeking to bring their children or spouses to the United
States would still be allowed to do so, the person said.
But the path to winning permanent legal status in the United States would beblocked for most other foreigners, including the relatives of current green
card holders and those seeking green cards based on a job offer, the person
said.
纽约时报和bloomberg的消息差别很大啊。。。
所以还是静候EO和具体细则，估计今天的briefing也不会有版友需要的细节，
比如AOS，EOS，COS，CP的细则
【 在 philoy (philoy) 的大作中提到: 】
: 纽约时报和bloomberg的消息差别很大啊。。。
看这个意思是要卡140吗
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】
: too early to confirm anything
: NYTimes:
: http://nyti.ms/2XU2s0t
另一个新闻http://t.ly/DzGG
说是针对绿卡
Reuters:
President Donald Trump’s new executive order banning immigration to the
United States will last 30 to 90 days with the chance of renewal and apply
narrowly to those seeking permanent immigration status, a senior
administration official said.
Other workers such as those on so-called H1-B visas would be covered in a
separate action, the official said.
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】
: too early to confirm anything
: NYTimes:
: http://nyti.ms/2XU2s0t
报道中看不出与140有什么关联，总是静候官方文件吧
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 看这个意思是要卡140吗
【 在 xxya (xxya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 另一个新闻
: http://t.ly/DzGG
: 说是针对绿卡
但感觉也是指从外面进来的呢?
我是指用job offer来拿绿卡这个说法，有点像在说EB23
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】
: 报道中看不出与140有什么关联，总是静候官方文件吧
我怀疑非专业报道移民议题的记者和官员能区分这类差别
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我是指用job offer来拿绿卡这个说法，有点像在说EB23
记者招待会刚刚说了，但是信息依然不清楚。首期停60天，只停绿卡申请，临时的签证不影响。但是只停绿卡指的是从海外申请的，还是美国国内的，不清楚。
川总在刚才的brief上说的是“只停从外国进美国的greencard，不影响非移民签证
。首期暂停时间：60天。”
具体还是要看细则。。
更新：Q&A中，川又说了：“肯定会有exemption，具体EO还在撰写中，明天揭晓，争取明天就签署。”
所以，等明天。
就是cp呗？
vb明天可以出了
【 在 hpph (hpph) 的大作中提到: 】
: 川总在刚才的brief上说的是“只停从外国进美国的greencard，不影响非移民签证
: 。首期暂停时间：60天。”
: 具体还是要看细则。。
【 在 hpph (hpph) 的大作中提到: 】
: 川总在刚才的brief上说的是“只停从外国进美国的greencard，不影响非移民签证
: 。首期暂停时间：60天。”
: 具体还是要看细则。。
那已经提交了485的，绿卡还继续批吗？
怀疑他知不知道在美国国内也能申请绿卡
【 在 hpph (hpph) 的大作中提到: 】
: 川总在刚才的brief上说的是“只停从外国进美国的greencard，不影响非移民签证
: 。首期暂停时间：60天。”
: 具体还是要看细则。。
静候细则，现在问也是白问
【 在 zhsh268198 (Kershawer) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那已经提交了485的，绿卡还继续批吗？
他知道。他老婆的绿卡不就是在美国国内申请的？
【 在 xxya (xxya) 的大作中提到: 】
: 怀疑他知不知道在美国国内也能申请绿卡
【 在 hpph (hpph) 的大作中提到: 】
: 川总在刚才的brief上说的是“只停从外国进美国的greencard，不影响非移民签证
: 。首期暂停时间：60天。”
: 具体还是要看细则。。
请问，您是从哪里看到只停海外进的呢？
他随口说了一句“immigration from abroad”，姑妄听之
【 在 zhsh268198 (Kershawer) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请问，您是从哪里看到只停海外进的呢？
是所有类别的绿卡申请都停下来，还是会有一部分的豁免啊比如配偶子女父母这些？
另外，已经拿到combo卡的不会都不能renew了吧？
听到的。
现在就随便听他说说，等着看EO。
【 在 zhsh268198 (Kershawer) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请问，您是从哪里看到只停海外进的呢？
现在的消息是公民/绿卡的亲属在豁免之类，anyway 请静候细则，估计今明两天就会出来
【 在 philoy (philoy) 的大作中提到: 】
: 是所有类别的绿卡申请都停下来，还是会有一部分的豁免啊比如配偶子女父母这些？: 另外，已经拿到combo卡的不会都不能renew了吧？
一个耐人寻味的细节，大家自己理解吧
brief上，一个记者问川总：“你的EO会影响已经在美国的外国人吗？”
川总先是很快地回了一个No（不知真的是NO，还是他一贯对媒体的负面态度导致他说NO），然后迟疑了一下，反问记者：“你指的是非法移民吗？”
记者马上说：“比如那些要走法院程序的？”
然后。。。
然后就和我们EB23群体没什么关系了。
但是感觉现在美国的，H1B身份的XDJM，可以稍微松一口气。
他怎么说其实关系不大，主要要看国土安全部的鹰派怎么实施
【 在 hpph (hpph) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一个耐人寻味的细节，大家自己理解吧
: brief上，一个记者问川总：“你的EO针对已经在美国的外国人吗？”
: 川总先是很快地回了一个No（不知真的是NO，还是他一贯对媒体的负面态度导致他说NO
: ），然后迟疑了一下，反问记者：“你指的是非法移民吗？”
: 记者马上说：“比如那些要走法院程序的？”
: 然后。。。
: 然后就和我们EB23群体没什么关系了。
: 但是感觉现在美国的，H1B身份的XDJM，可以稍微松一口气。
【 在 zhsh268198 (Kershawer) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请问，您是从哪里看到只停海外进的呢？
"By pausing immigration we'll help put Americans first in line for jobs as
America reopens. It would be wrong and unjust for Americans laid off by the virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad."
要停都停了，不可能只停海外的，现在看来最好的结果就是排期无限期延长,用好combo是一门艺术。
这个fly用的是过去式啊，意思不是已经进来的么
【 在 gharm (拉拉呼) 的大作中提到: 】
: "By pausing immigration we'll help put Americans first in line for jobs as
: America reopens. It would be wrong and unjust for Americans laid off by
the
: virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad."
WG 刚刚又发了一个公告，
“Today, on 4/21, he provided further information during the COVID 19 White House Briefing that the Executive Order(EO) is to prevent "Americans laid
off by the virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from abroad." He also mentioned that the EO would not apply to people entering on a
temporary basis which should refer to nonimmigrant visas such as H1B, O1,
etc. Therefore, we think the EO may suspend the entry of aliens on an
immigrant visa as well as immigrant visa processing (IVP) for at least 60
days, but it should not affect the filing and processing of I-140, I-485, I-765, I-131 or I-129 within the U.S. by USCIS. We will provide further
information after the EO is released.
That being said, the Executive Order, if issued, may face legal challenges
at federal courts.
We will monitor the situation and keep you posted in case any change would
affect your applications.”
不明白川普哪里说只影响国外的了，可能WG还是考虑了法律的可行性
【 在 zhsh268198 (Kershawer) 的大作中提到: 】
: WG 刚刚又发了一个公告，
: “Today, on 4/21, he provided further information during the COVID 19
White
: House Briefing that the Executive Order(EO) is to prevent "Americans laid : off by the virus to be replaced by new immigrant labor flown in from
abroad.
: " He also mentioned that the EO would not apply to people entering on a
: temporary basis which should refer to nonimmigrant visas such as H1B, O1, : etc. Therefore, we think the EO may suspend the entry of aliens on an
: immigrant visa as well as immigrant visa processing (IVP) for at least 60 : days, but it should not affect the filing and processing of I-140, I-485, I-
: 765, I-131 or I-129 within the U.S. by USCIS. We will provide further
: ...................
Not past tense.
new immigrant labor (who are) flown in from abroad.
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个fly用的是过去式啊，意思不是已经进来的么
: the
嗯。我的第一感觉是new immigrant labor (who have) flown in from abroad.当然这么省略语法不太对，不过是既然说话的是川普
【 在 gharm (拉拉呼) 的大作中提到: 】
: Not past tense.
: new immigrant labor (who are) flown in from abroad.
he said没用 巨巨就是给个纲要 细节他自己搞得清楚吗？
wg现在也是安抚人心 具体的eo出来再看wg怎么解读比较靠谱
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不明白川普哪里说只影响国外的了，可能WG还是考虑了法律的可行性
green-cards-for-60-days/
The President will sign an executive order that will suspend the issuance of green cards for 60 days. It appears nonimmigrants will not be impacted by
the executive order.
非移民签证不受影响
President Trump said Tuesday that his administration would temporarily bar
new immigrants, including some family members of U.S. citizens and foreign
workers looking to move to the U.S., in the next 60 days under a new
executive order.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-order-would-temporarily-bar-family-
members-of-u-s-citizens-foreign-workers-from-immigrating-11587504410
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 嗯。我的第一感觉是new immigrant labor (who have) flown in from abroad.当然这
: 么省略语法不太对，不过是既然说话的是川普
是的，也只是EO没出来前瞎聊一下
【 在 chowchan (嘿嘿) 的大作中提到: 】
: he said没用 巨巨就是给个纲要 细节他自己搞得清楚吗？
: wg现在也是安抚人心 具体的eo出来再看wg怎么解读比较靠谱
WSJ: http://on.wsj.com/3bsiCT1
President Trump said Tuesday that his administration would temporarily bar
new immigrants, including some family members of U.S. citizens and foreign
workers looking to move to the U.S., in the next 60 days under a new
executive order.
The executive order wouldn’t impact immigrants already living in the U.S.
or foreigners coming on temporary visas for work or travel.
The executive order is less restrictive than advocates on both sides of the immigration debate had earlier expected, and doesn’t impact most
employment-based immigration, the order’s stated purpose.
About 90% of employment-based green cards go to people already living in the U.S., on temporary visas that the order doesn’t touch.
“It’s a PR stunt more than anything else,” said Mark Krikorian, president
of the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit that advocates
eliminating most temporary work-based visas
这个说法似乎很宽松，只限于境外的申请者，境内的不受影响?
还是等EO正式下来再看吧。。
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】
: WSJ: http://on.wsj.com/3bsiCT1
: President Trump said Tuesday that his administration would temporarily bar
: new immigrants, including some family members of U.S. citizens and foreign
: workers looking to move to the U.S., in the next 60 days under a new
: executive order.
: The executive order wouldn’t impact immigrants already living in the U.S.
: or foreigners coming on temporary visas for work or travel.
: The executive order is less restrictive than advocates on both sides of
the
: immigration debate had earlier expected, and doesn’t impact most
: employment-based immigration, the order’s stated purpose.
: ...................
Interpretation from one Law firm
http://t.ly/hndn
Arguably, the President has the power to control the border under INA 212(f)which grants broad authority to “suspend the entry of all aliens … as
immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens in any
restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
Indeed, the President has done this previously, by banning the entry of
individuals from certain nations, most recently including China.
The President does not have the authority, however, to restrict immigrant
applications from within the U.S., meaning that individuals and companies
can still file applications for changes of status and extensions of stay, as
well as for adjustment of status to lawful permanent residence.
这个说法很多人在用，不知道靠不靠谱
【 在 rgx (Somnus) 的大作中提到: 】
: Interpretation from one Law firm
: http://t.ly/hndn
: Arguably, the President has the power to control the border under INA 212(f)
: which grants broad authority to “suspend the entry of all aliens … as
: immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens in any
: restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
: Indeed, the President has done this previously, by banning the entry of
: individuals from certain nations, most recently including China.
: The President does not have the authority, however, to restrict immigrant : applications from within the U.S., meaning that individuals and companies : ...................
我发现我的预测全准……现在就可能是4.
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 目前几个可能，依次由破坏力最小到破坏力最大。
: 1. 只是打嘴炮，毫无变化。这个可能性很小，因为已经有内部人士在twitter上说这个
: EO已经在白宫内酝酿很久了（会有豁免）
: 2. 只是影响入境，不影响已经在境内的人交140和485。这是各大律所的说法。但是律
: 所肯定倾向于说乐观的，不然他们没法工作了。
: 3. 影响入境，同时不再接受新的140,485，h1b等移民与非移民签证申请。这个对于已
: 经交了申请的人来说没有影响，但还没交的就比较惨。
: 4. 直接halt所有绿卡流程，H1B和OPT不受影响。目前最有可能的情况。
: 5. 直接halt所有绿卡，H1B，OPT等移民与非移民签证的处理。这个破坏性有点大，感
: 觉可能性小于3和4.
: ...................
哪里的消息证明现在可能是 4，谢谢
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我发现我的预测全准……现在就可能是4.
没有消息吧，都还是在猜测，面试过了大半年了，还有几个月就排到了，结果赶上这个幺蛾子...
【 在 jianzhet (Jerry) 的大作中提到: 】
: 哪里的消息证明现在可能是 4，谢谢
【 在 mitbbo (mitbbo) 的大作中提到: 】
: 正在申请中的H1B怎么办？
: 485呢？
H1b不受影响，485不清楚，应该就是继续等吧。
昨晚各大新闻source已经报了，绿卡申请限制60天是板上钉钉的事。H1B没事也是板上
钉钉的事。至于绿卡限制哪一步，现在还在猜测，但485那一步开始是肯定要受影响的
。140是否还审批未知。
其实想想也能想通，绿卡是私人的事，H1B是大公司赖以生存的基础。trump肯定会先拿绿卡开刀而不动H1B。
【 在 jianzhet (Jerry) 的大作中提到: 】
: 哪里的消息证明现在可能是 4，谢谢
如果川普真是为了就业应该停h1b，停不停绿卡对就业没太大影响
他搞不懂h1b和绿卡的区别.........
【 在 zhongxianyue (中弦月) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果川普真是为了就业应该停h1b，停不停绿卡对就业没太大影响
怎么还不公布EO啊，等得焦虑
Trump不太可能搞得清楚H1B和绿卡的区别。
如果拿H1B开刀，公司们一定不会罢休。但拿绿卡开刀，公司们不会有什么异议。公司
的立场上巴不得你一辈子是H1B，一辈子不能离职，一辈子没有底气开口argue待遇。所以你不拿绿卡，很符合公司的利益。
我也希望我的猜测错了，但今天EO出来就会真相大白。我的预测是，halt绿卡，不影响H1B和OPT。至于Halt绿卡哪个步骤，最大可能是485开始的过程。140可能还是会允许你交的。原因很简单，140交了以后可以无限续H1B，符合美国“希望你一直用H1B打工”
的理念。
【 在 zhongxianyue (中弦月) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果川普真是为了就业应该停h1b，停不停绿卡对就业没太大影响
绿卡申请应该会停，就看是不是只停境外了，毕竟EO也不是想怎么弄就怎么弄
【 在 pass3434 (geligeli) 的大作中提到: 】
: Trump不太可能搞得清楚H1B和绿卡的区别。
: 如果拿H1B开刀，公司们一定不会罢休。但拿绿卡开刀，公司们不会有什么异议。公司
: 的立场上巴不得你一辈子是H1B，一辈子不能离职，一辈子没有底气开口argue待遇。所
: 以你不拿绿卡，很符合公司的利益。
: 我也希望我的猜测错了，但今天EO出来就会真相大白。我的预测是，halt绿卡，不影响
: H1B和OPT。至于Halt绿卡哪个步骤，最大可能是485开始的过程。140可能还是会允许你
: 交的。原因很简单，140交了以后可以无限续H1B，符合美国“希望你一直用H1B打工”
: 的理念。
我认识朋友的学校里的律师说法是，他们认为对境内申请者不会有影响。希望如此吧。如果这样那么对境内申请者来说反而是一个短暂的利好。
【 在 wildust (野尘) 的大作中提到: 】
: 绿卡申请应该会停，就看是不是只停境外了，毕竟EO也不是想怎么弄就怎么弄