支持佐治亚州长Kemp

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rdfirdfi
楼主 (未名空间)

希望他能坚持立场,不要听川普瞎逼逼。

Birx和Fauci也是成天瞎BB。这么多天就做了几个ppt具体建议啥也没有。看看Kemp的团队拿出来的餐馆、剧院开门的条件:
Restaurants can resume providing dine-in services under the following
conditions (among others):

No more than 10 patrons per 500 square feet are allowed inside at once.
All employees are required to wear masks at all times.
Employers must screen and evaluate workers who exhibit signs of illness,
such as a fever over 100.4 degrees and a cough or shortness of breath.
Restaurants must post signs that say no one with symptoms of COVID_19 can
enter.
Party size is limited to no more than 6 per table.
Salad bars and buffets are no longer allowed.
Restaurants must use pre-rolled silverware.
Items must be removed from self-service drink, condiment, utensil and
tableware stations and have workers provide those items to patrons.
Patrons must be kept separated while waiting to be seated through floor
markings or waiting in cars.
Workers who show signs of illness can’t come in to work. Employees who have COVID-19 must self-isolate for 7 days and be fever-free and symptom-free
for 3 days before coming back to work.
Employers must train employees on the importance of frequent handwashing,
use of hand sanitizers and avoiding touching their faces.
Playgrounds must stay closed.
Movie theaters can reopen under the following conditions on Monday:

Parties are seated at least six feet apart. No party can be more than 6
people.
Ushers will help enforce social distancing
Tape must be applied to floors at ticket counters to keep people apart.
Employees must clean every seat, armrest, door handle, handrail and doorknob before and after each showing.
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maomaocong

Birx和Fauci不就天天给川普整他看不懂的数学模型,喂死几百万人的料,吓得他一愣
一愣的。

【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: 希望他能坚持立场,不要听川普瞎逼逼。
: Birx和Fauci也是成天瞎BB。这么多天就做了几个ppt具体建议啥也没有。看看Kemp的团
: 队拿出来的餐馆、剧院开门的条件:
: Restaurants can resume providing dine-in services under the following
: conditions (among others):
: No more than 10 patrons per 500 square feet are allowed inside at once.
: All employees are required to wear masks at all times.
: Employers must screen and evaluate workers who exhibit signs of illness,
: such as a fever over 100.4 degrees and a cough or shortness of breath.
: Restaurants must post signs that say no one with symptoms of COVID_19 can : ...................

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rdfirdfi

Fauci说要死二百万人,川普一下吓软了,对Fauci言听计从。

左X的一贯做法,吓唬你,说你没文化,不懂science,必须听我的。真正的解决方案也拿不出来。

【 在 maomaocong (linyun) 的大作中提到: 】
: Birx和Fauci不就天天给川普整他看不懂的数学模型,喂死几百万人的料,吓得他一愣
: 一愣的。

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fishingarden

同支持
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Ignius

“All employees are required to wear masks at all times.”
老王刚说了带口罩没用,这下又支持这个州长了。自己打脸成习惯了,哈哈。

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Ignius

Employees who have COVID-19 must self-isolate for 7 days and be fever-free
and symptom-free.

这个州长真是个白痴,不知道病毒的潜伏期可以超过7天。一般都要隔离14天。

如果一个员工被检查出来阳性无症状,7天之后如果还是没症状就可以上班了。

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Ignius

此楼应改名为猪队友楼。
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Lawrence444

Georgia现在复工太早,会爆。不过夏天会来,希望夏天会爆的不是那么厉害。

正好给一个反面教材。
【 在 rdfirdfi (rdfi) 的大作中提到: 】
: 希望他能坚持立场,不要听川普瞎逼逼。
: Birx和Fauci也是成天瞎BB。这么多天就做了几个ppt具体建议啥也没有。看看Kemp的团
: 队拿出来的餐馆、剧院开门的条件:
: Restaurants can resume providing dine-in services under the following
: conditions (among others):
: No more than 10 patrons per 500 square feet are allowed inside at once.
: All employees are required to wear masks at all times.
: Employers must screen and evaluate workers who exhibit signs of illness,
: such as a fever over 100.4 degrees and a cough or shortness of breath.
: Restaurants must post signs that say no one with symptoms of COVID_19 can : ...................

renzaimg

川普耳根太软了,一定是那天与英国首相Boris Johnson通过电话,被吓得改了口风。

其实川普这人容易对付,你如果对他好他会加倍地还给你。左逼媒体和民主党那一套,正好相反,他反而不会妥协。
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Ignius

把一个美国总统说得跟一个六岁小娃似的。“对他好就会加倍奉还”. 所以大家都得
哄着这个宝宝。

renzaimg

说明他这人心地善良,你可能不知道什么是‘心地善良’吧?人家一个亿万富翁子孙满堂,你算老几,居然这么说人家?

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 把一个美国总统说得跟一个六岁小娃似的。“对他好就会加倍奉还”. 所以大家都得
: 哄着这个宝宝。

renzaimg

德州也要开工了。
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rdfirdfi

If someone does not cough and wears a mask, the risk of transmission is much smaller than a coughing person.

Please note, the goal here is NOT stop the spread of the virus, but to
MANAGE it. The goal is avoid overwhelm the hospital, rather than completely contain the virus (which is pretty much impossible at this point).

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: Employees who have COVID-19 must self-isolate for 7 days and be fever-free
: and symptom-free.
: 这个州长真是个白痴,不知道病毒的潜伏期可以超过7天。一般都要隔离14天。
: 如果一个员工被检查出来阳性无症状,7天之后如果还是没症状就可以上班了。

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rdfirdfi

Only time will tell.

I hope Georgia can keep the current infection rate while protecting elderly. Hopefully the herd immunity can be built before fall.

By the way, the death number has been dropping in Georgia recently

【 在 Lawrence444 (一粒沙) 的大作中提到: 】
: Georgia现在复工太早,会爆。不过夏天会来,希望夏天会爆的不是那么厉害。
: 正好给一个反面教材。

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robertfrost

我个人的看法是:
这规定是为了群体免疫,目的就是让这个员工传播少量病毒。而不是不传播病毒。隔离14天目的是为了不传播病毒,隔离14天有利于控制疫情,不利于全体免疫。
他这么做或许不对,但是他的初衷不是你考虑的那种。
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: Employees who have COVID-19 must self-isolate for 7 days and be fever-free
: and symptom-free.
: 这个州长真是个白痴,不知道病毒的潜伏期可以超过7天。一般都要隔离14天。
: 如果一个员工被检查出来阳性无症状,7天之后如果还是没症状就可以上班了。

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rdfirdfi

Agreed.
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我个人的看法是:
: 这规定是为了群体免疫,目的就是让这个员工传播少量病毒。而不是不传播病毒。
: 他这么做或许不对,但是他的初衷不是你考虑的那种。

yang8699

会爆又怎么样呢?现在爆也不一定是坏事。

明显是,最后大家都是群体免疫,所以总感染数一定,无非就是多长时间达到总感染数。现在至少有个好处,流感是低峰期,如果现在新冠感染的人不多,到了秋天流感再一来,医院会更吃不消。不如现在新冠能感染多少是多少,这样可以降低秋天新冠的感染率。

绝大多数医院没有到爆的地步,连接近都不算,有些医院已经开始furlough了,因为其他的病推迟看,搞的病人总数减少不少。这么搞不对,最后该看的病人还要看,然后新冠也不可能靠现在这个搞法消亡,只是延迟而已。

唯一可以argue的是拖到后面有药。但其实,现在数据已经不少了,致死率对年轻人很
低,尤其健康的年轻人。应该把年轻人都放出来,年老的乖乖呆在家,那里也不去,等年轻的做完群体免疫,年老的再出来,或者等疫苗。怀疑群体免疫估计会在疫苗出来以前就搞完了。

【 在 Lawrence444(一粒沙) 的大作中提到: 】

: Georgia现在复工太早,会爆。不过夏天会来,希望夏天会爆的不是那么厉害。

: 正好给一个反面教材。

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jim1980

Governor Kemp is a stubborn fool.

Exhibit 1) On April 4, he claims he just learned people without covid-19
symtons can spread spread Virus.
https://kfor.com/news/national/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-said-he-just-learned-
people-without-covid-19-symptoms-can-spread-virus/

Exhibit 2) Governor Kemp claims he is based decision on IHME. Yes, last
Friday IHME showed State of Georgia was peaked around 04/15/20 and Georgia
already passed the peak. So Governor Kemp decided to open those businesses on Monday (4/20/20). However, with latest updated IHME, the peak has pushed back to 04/29/20. Since Governor Kemp already made the announcement, he is stubborn fool and will not willing to change his stand based on the new
data.

Regardless, Governor Kemp is butts of joke around the state of Georgia and
is attacked by both Democracy and Republicans alike (like leading Republican Doug Collins who seek Georgia Republican Senator nomination).
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/doug-collins-slams-georgia-brian-
kemp-state-reopening-203389
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fishingarden

信你被骂,不信你也被骂。。。。

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: Governor Kemp is a stubborn fool.
: Exhibit 1) On April 4, he claims he just learned people without covid-19 : symtons can spread spread Virus.
: https://kfor.com/news/national/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-said-he-just-learned-
: people-without-covid-19-symptoms-can-spread-virus/
: Exhibit 2) Governor Kemp claims he is based decision on IHME. Yes, last : Friday IHME showed State of Georgia was peaked around 04/15/20 and Georgia
: already passed the peak. So Governor Kemp decided to open those
businesses
: on Monday (4/20/20). However, with latest updated IHME, the peak has
pushed
: back to 04/29/20. Since Governor Kemp already made the announcement, he is
: ...................

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rdfirdfi

Attacking Kemp is just to show political strength.

According to the death number's trend, the measures to protect elderly is
working.

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: Governor Kemp is a stubborn fool.
: Exhibit 1) On April 4, he claims he just learned people without covid-19 : symtons can spread spread Virus.
: https://kfor.com/news/national/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-said-he-just-learned-
: people-without-covid-19-symptoms-can-spread-virus/
: Exhibit 2) Governor Kemp claims he is based decision on IHME. Yes, last : Friday IHME showed State of Georgia was peaked around 04/15/20 and Georgia
: already passed the peak. So Governor Kemp decided to open those
businesses
: on Monday (4/20/20). However, with latest updated IHME, the peak has
pushed
: back to 04/29/20. Since Governor Kemp already made the announcement, he is
: ...................

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Ignius

才20%的带抗体的,就想形成群体免疫? 还要有40-50%的人感染之后带抗体才行。之前20%的感染率就已经死了900人,这还是在大家都隔离,医疗系统没有崩溃的情况下。韩国的的经验就是普及测试,contact tracing加严格隔离。现在geoegia州这几点都没做到。
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jim1980

"Attacking Kemp is just to show political strength."

Governor Kemp won last election by 1.8% in large Red state even with
endorsement from President Trump (who won Georgia by 5.1%). He is among
weakest
Republican governor ever in the state of Georgia.

"According to the death number's trend, the measures to protect elderly is
working."

1) Georgia is among the worst testing in the United States. Without testing, no Coronvirus case, no Coronavirus related death.
2) Georgia Department of Health data is very inconsistent if I want to be
nice.

The picture you showed earlier show declined is inconsistent with data.
What happened is that they backdate some data to earlier date. For example, if there is an increase of 700 cases today, they backdate some cases to
five days ago and some cases to four days ago. That's why you see the
decline in the curve picture. But in reality, the raw data does not show
that decline
at all.

Date Cases Increase (#) Increase (%)
4/24 22147 635 3.0
4/23 21512 772 3.7
4/22 20740 859 4.3
4/21 19881 934 4.9
4/20 18947 646 3.5
4/19 18301 632 3.6
4/18 17669 475 2.8
4/17 17194 1740 11.3
4/16 15454 467 3.1
4/15 14987 764 5.4
4/14 14223 918 6.9
4/13 13305 853 6.9
4/12 12452 293 2.4
4/11 12159 676 5.9
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusGA/comments/g64pdw/analysis_there_are_
three_kinds_of_lies_lies/

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fishingarden

捏造数据很大件事。

很难相信论坛爆料。

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: "Attacking Kemp is just to show political strength."
: Governor Kemp won last election by 1.8% in large Red state even with
: endorsement from President Trump (who won Georgia by 5.1%). He is among
: weakest
: Republican governor ever in the state of Georgia.
: "According to the death number's trend, the measures to protect elderly is: working."
: 1) Georgia is among the worst testing in the United States. Without
testing
: , no Coronvirus case, no Coronavirus related death.
: 2) Georgia Department of Health data is very inconsistent if I want to be
: ...................

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robertfrost

严格隔离和群体免疫,谁对,做了才知道。如果最后造成了医疗资源挤兑的问题,那么georgia就做错了。反之,georgia就做对了。

严加隔离的后果是永远无法群体免疫,未来一年每一个阳性携带者都会产生巨大的经济成本。

现在就是两种政策的博弈,严防死守就要承担经济停摆带来的人道灾难。在一定控制下的(而不是毫无控制,比如不带口罩)群体免疫就要承担病毒传播带来的人道灾难。两者谁伤害小,得事实来证明。
【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 才20%的带抗体的,就想形成群体免疫? 还要有40-50%的人感染之后带抗体才行。之前
: 20%的感染率就已经死了900人,这还是在大家都隔离,医疗系统没有崩溃的情况下。韩
: 国的的经验就是普及测试,contact tracing加严格隔离。现在geoegia州这几点都没做
: 到。

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Ignius

其实也挺好的,georgia自愿做小白鼠给大家看看。
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fishingarden

难得越南春药贩子明白了一回。

美国宪政基础之一的地方自治就是天然有这个好处。这不是俺说的,是大法官托马斯说的。

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 其实也挺好的,georgia自愿做小白鼠给大家看看。

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rdfirdfi

The "raw" data uses reporting date, not the date of actual death. Which do
you think is more accurate to predict the trend?

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: "Attacking Kemp is just to show political strength."
: Governor Kemp won last election by 1.8% in large Red state even with
: endorsement from President Trump (who won Georgia by 5.1%). He is among
: weakest
: Republican governor ever in the state of Georgia.
: "According to the death number's trend, the measures to protect elderly is: working."
: 1) Georgia is among the worst testing in the United States. Without
testing
: , no Coronvirus case, no Coronavirus related death.
: 2) Georgia Department of Health data is very inconsistent if I want to be
: ...................

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rdfirdfi

I actually live in Georgia. I'm proud of Governor Kemp.

【 在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到: 】
: 其实也挺好的,georgia自愿做小白鼠给大家看看。

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jim1980
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fishingarden

谢谢这个链接。

看来数据采集方法的确有问题,但是偏差不大。州长认为这一点偏差不影响他的开放决策。

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: Here is another article from ajc questioning data from Georgia Department of
: Health.
: https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/confused-and-
scared-
: georgians-frustrated-over-shifting-virus-data/k9oUbZDE3z6iyouWQBF7gJ/

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rdfirdfi
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/confused-twitter-reacts-trump-
criticizing-kemp-plans-reopen-georgia/xjojXvYgxCsZ0I4EhrFGfJ/

On this issue, I'm with Governor Kemp.

I don't think Trump has a clear mind of what will happen as a result. He
wanted to "go back to normal", where you can have filled restaurants, filled stadiums for sports and rallies. It simply will NOT happen.

Even with China's draconian measure, it's not possible to completely
eradicate the virus. Trump wants to use testing+contact tracing strategy to control the virus. However, if you fill a sport event, you need to contact
trace ALL participants since there is almost 100% someone in the thousands
of participant is having the virus.

The only way to "go back to normal" is to realize herd immunity. And the
least costly way to do so is to protect the elderly and let young population gets the virus as fast as possible without burdening out the hospital
system.

Georgia is already prepared for surge hospitals and Governor Kemp is also
asking national guards to protect nursery homes.

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: Here is another article from ajc questioning data from Georgia Department of
: Health.
: https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/confused-and-
scared-
: georgians-frustrated-over-shifting-virus-data/k9oUbZDE3z6iyouWQBF7gJ/

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jim1980

Governor Kemp is a fool and very weak leader. He is basically country
bumpkin who don't know what's he doing. He handpicked Kelly Loeffler to
replaced a retired senator because Kelly Loeffler's family donated a lot of money to Kemp's campaign. Now, Kelly Loeffler may not even make out of
primary against Doug Collins in her reelection bid.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kelly-loeffler-poll-georgia-election-senator-coronavirus-stocks-sell-a9451406.html

"The poll, commissioned by the Collins campaign, was conducted by
Battleground Connect, a GOP grassroots outreach firm.

Among likely voters who identify as Republicans, Mr Collins led Ms Loeffler 70 per cent to 20 per cent, the poll found."

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fishingarden

实事求是,这个女参议员的确愚昧,她家里这么有钱,真不在乎卖股票那一两百万。

但是这个愚昧的议员不大能证明州长水平低。

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: Governor Kemp is a fool and very weak leader. He is basically country
: bumpkin who don't know what's he doing. He handpicked Kelly Loeffler to
: replaced a retired senator because Kelly Loeffler's family donated a lot
of
: money to Kemp's campaign. Now, Kelly Loeffler may not even make out of
: primary against Doug Collins in her reelection bid.
: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kelly-
loeffler
: -poll-georgia-election-senator-coronavirus-stocks-sell-a9451406.html
: "The poll, commissioned by the Collins campaign, was conducted by
: Battleground Connect, a GOP grassroots outreach firm.
: Among likely voters who identify as Republicans, Mr Collins led Ms
Loeffler
: ...................

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rdfirdfi

可能Kemp的措施是歪打正着。我支持的是他的抗疫策略。如果他撑不住压力要再封城我会反对他。希望他能坚持住,不要被Trump吓住。

那个参议员卖股票是她自己的问题。

【 在 jim1980(jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】

: Governor Kemp is a fool and very weak leader. He is basically country

: bumpkin who don't know what's he doing. He handpicked Kelly Loeffler to

: replaced a retired senator because Kelly Loeffler's family donated a
lot of

: money to Kemp's campaign. Now, Kelly Loeffler may not even make out
of

: primary against Doug Collins in her reelection bid.

: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kelly-
loeffler

: -poll-georgia-election-senator-coronavirus-stocks-sell-a9451406.html

: "The poll, commissioned by the Collins campaign, was conducted by

: Battleground Connect, a GOP grassroots outreach firm.

: Among likely voters who identify as Republicans, Mr Collins led Ms
Loeffler
: ...................

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jim1980

"但是这个愚昧的议员不大能证明州长水平低。"

But governor Kemp picked her, who has no prior experience in public office. It clearly show Governor Kemp lack of judgement of character and his
incompetent.

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fishingarden

提名在先,卖股在后。

如果是反过来,我会同意你。

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: "但是这个愚昧的议员不大能证明州长水平低。"
: But governor Kemp picked her, who has no prior experience in public office.
: It clearly show Governor Kemp lack of judgement of character.

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jim1980

Basically Governor Kemp turns everything turn into s**t. That's what I feel about him.
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fishingarden

你这口号太长。

【 在 jim1980 (jim1980) 的大作中提到: 】
: Basically Governor Kemp turns everything turn into s**t. That's what I
feel
: about him.