俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/ 核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。 手底下两个人， 采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且 最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都不会对最终结论有多少影响。 The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which contained the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the information on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete as there was no photograph of the DCA on the DCO Portal. In the result, at the Athlete’s insistence, the DCA was excluded from the doping control station. 关键是采血的BCA，这人出示了护士证，也成功获得血样。也通过了网络的方式证实她 身份。孙杨虽然最初有异议，但是中途也同意采血。The DCO finished notifying the Athlete using a paperless system. The blood samples were successfully collected by the BCA. The process was completed by about 11:35 p.m. The Athlete took no issue, at the time, with the BCA’s authorization from IDTM or her qualifications to draw his blood. 然后呢，教练来了，教练说护士执照不充分。 Dr. Ba insisted that the nurse’s Certificate the BCA had provided was not evidence of proper qualification to collect blood in China. As a result of this conclusion, he refused to permit the DCO to take away and send for testing the blood samples that had been previously collected from the Athlete. 然后浙江的体校的一个医生(Mr. Han)和中国游泳总队的领队(Mr.Cheng)也说护士执照 不充分。 Han is Chief Doctor at the Affiliated Sport Hospital of Zhejiiang College of Sports – where Dr. Ba also works. Dr. Han also fully supported the conclusions of Dr. Ba and Mr. Cheng.Dr. Han maintained that the ‘ Certificate of Professional Skills in Nursing’ shown by the BCA was not a proper document to prove the necessary qualification to draw blood in the location where the blood collection had occurred. 然后双方争执不下。 DCO让教练写书面文件。这份文件DCO的人也签字了。 He concluded that “the urine test and the blood test cannot be completed. The blood sample that has been collected could not be taken away”. All the IDTM testing team signed this document. 然后就是DCO耍赖了。 The Athlete claims that the DCO told him that “if you are able to take away the blood sample, go ahead.” When the Athlete asked the DCO how to remove the blood from the secure container he was told “you find your way.” The DCO refused to take any part in removing and handling the collected blood samples, at any time. The Athlete claims the DCO and the BCA allowed him free access to the cool box to remove the collected blood samples. This was also seen by Dr. Ba and the Athlete’s mother. The DCO watched these proceedings and constantly placed calls to IDTM, but did not intervene in any way. 因此，最终孙杨是被下了套--DCO一方面许可孙杨取回血样，另一方面又不告诉他正确 的取血办法，导致孙杨最终破坏了血样。
你压根没有get the point 这种密闭，防tamper的血样保存容器，是不能被打开的，一旦搁进去，就只能到实验室按照规则打开
“remove blood sample from the container " 会让血样失效，这个采样官和运动员 显然都知道（或者应该知道），就像你开车的都应该知道不能超速一样 --- 当然你可 以argue你不知道，但是结果。。。
采样官不回在发生争执的时候去抢夺，保护这个container，因为这不是公社的大粪！
你抢夺了你自己负责，人家冷眼旁观而已 --- 采样官当然不会协助你---- 协助你违反采样规定么？
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】 : 俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。 : http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/ : 核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。 : 手底下两个人， : 采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且 : 最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都 : 不会对最终结论有多少影响。 : The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which contained : the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the information : on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete as : ...................
这次暴露出很多问题，最明显的问题是，WADA制定规则，WADA又亲自下场打官司，然后WADA用它自己制定的规则打赢了官司，还好审判的不是WADA。 实际执行时有问题，DCO允许孙杨留下血样，DCO申明外壳必须带走，DCO又说她不负责 取出血样，让孙杨自己看着办，推测DCO也没有说明如果孙杨方砸开外壳会禁赛8年，而是冷笑着看孙杨方去砸。其实孙杨要是圆滑点，就应该申明他和DCO达成一致，血样可 以留下，外壳由DCO带走，这么做得到了DCO的赞同，不会有什么处罚。然后孙杨申明血样必须留下，外壳可以带走，他不负责取出血样，DCO可以看着办。大家一起扯皮呗， 孙杨怎么说也有主场优势，至少需要吃饭上厕所什么的都是自己家。孙杨还是嫩了， DCO或者WADA有下套嫌疑。 【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】 : 俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。 : http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/ : 核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。 : 手底下两个人， : 采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且 : 最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都 : 不会对最终结论有多少影响。 : The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which contained : the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the information : on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete as : ...................
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】 : 俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。 : http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/ : 核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。 : 手底下两个人， : 采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且 : 最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都 : 不会对最终结论有多少影响。 : The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which contained : the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the information : on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete as : ...................
俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/
核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。
手底下两个人，
采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且
最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都不会对最终结论有多少影响。
The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which contained the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the information on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete as there was no photograph of the DCA on the DCO Portal.
In the result, at the Athlete’s insistence, the DCA was excluded from the
doping control station.
关键是采血的BCA，这人出示了护士证，也成功获得血样。也通过了网络的方式证实她
身份。孙杨虽然最初有异议，但是中途也同意采血。The DCO finished notifying the Athlete using a paperless system. The blood samples were successfully
collected by the BCA. The process was completed by about 11:35 p.m. The
Athlete took no issue, at the time, with the BCA’s authorization from IDTM or her qualifications to draw his blood.
然后呢，教练来了，教练说护士执照不充分。
Dr. Ba insisted that the nurse’s Certificate the BCA had provided was not
evidence of proper qualification to collect blood in China. As a result of
this conclusion, he refused to permit the DCO to take away and send for
testing the blood samples that had been previously collected from the
Athlete.
然后浙江的体校的一个医生(Mr. Han)和中国游泳总队的领队(Mr.Cheng)也说护士执照
不充分。
Han is Chief Doctor at the Affiliated Sport Hospital of Zhejiiang College of Sports – where Dr. Ba also works. Dr. Han also fully supported the
conclusions of Dr. Ba and Mr. Cheng.Dr. Han maintained that the ‘
Certificate of Professional Skills in Nursing’ shown by the BCA was not a
proper document to prove the necessary qualification to draw blood in the
location where the blood collection had occurred.
然后双方争执不下。
DCO让教练写书面文件。这份文件DCO的人也签字了。
He concluded that “the urine test and the blood test cannot be completed.
The blood sample that has been collected could not be taken away”. All the IDTM testing team signed this document.
然后就是DCO耍赖了。
The Athlete claims that the DCO told him that “if you are able to take away the blood sample, go ahead.” When the Athlete asked the DCO how to remove the blood from the secure container he was told “you find your way.” The
DCO refused to take any part in removing and handling the collected blood
samples, at any time. The Athlete claims the DCO and the BCA allowed him
free access to the cool box to remove the collected blood samples. This was also seen by Dr. Ba and the Athlete’s mother. The DCO watched these
proceedings and constantly placed calls to IDTM, but did not intervene in
any way.
因此，最终孙杨是被下了套--DCO一方面许可孙杨取回血样，另一方面又不告诉他正确
的取血办法，导致孙杨最终破坏了血样。
你压根没有get the point
这种密闭，防tamper的血样保存容器，是不能被打开的，一旦搁进去，就只能到实验室按照规则打开
“remove blood sample from the container " 会让血样失效，这个采样官和运动员
显然都知道（或者应该知道），就像你开车的都应该知道不能超速一样 --- 当然你可
以argue你不知道，但是结果。。。
采样官不回在发生争执的时候去抢夺，保护这个container，因为这不是公社的大粪！
你抢夺了你自己负责，人家冷眼旁观而已 --- 采样官当然不会协助你---- 协助你违反采样规定么？
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。
: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/
: 核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。
: 手底下两个人，
: 采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且
: 最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都
: 不会对最终结论有多少影响。
: The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which
contained
: the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the
information
: on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete
as
: ...................
这次暴露出很多问题，最明显的问题是，WADA制定规则，WADA又亲自下场打官司，然后WADA用它自己制定的规则打赢了官司，还好审判的不是WADA。
实际执行时有问题，DCO允许孙杨留下血样，DCO申明外壳必须带走，DCO又说她不负责
取出血样，让孙杨自己看着办，推测DCO也没有说明如果孙杨方砸开外壳会禁赛8年，而是冷笑着看孙杨方去砸。其实孙杨要是圆滑点，就应该申明他和DCO达成一致，血样可
以留下，外壳由DCO带走，这么做得到了DCO的赞同，不会有什么处罚。然后孙杨申明血样必须留下，外壳可以带走，他不负责取出血样，DCO可以看着办。大家一起扯皮呗，
孙杨怎么说也有主场优势，至少需要吃饭上厕所什么的都是自己家。孙杨还是嫩了，
DCO或者WADA有下套嫌疑。
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。
: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/
: 核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。
: 手底下两个人，
: 采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且
: 最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都
: 不会对最终结论有多少影响。
: The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which
contained
: the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the
information
: on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete
as
: ...................
是你不愿意理解别人罢了。
我的意思就是，孙杨有权用合理途径取回血样。只不过，他不懂啥是合理途径，只知道对方允许他取回血样。于是他用了错误的方法破坏了血样。
这个采样官完全可以告诉孙杨到哪个实验室走哪个程序可以取回血样，他选择不告诉。他就算告诉了孙杨如何取回血样，也完全不违反采样规定好吗？孙杨取回血样是经过这个人许可的，又不是抢夺。但是他取回血样的方式，不是这个人许可的，这才是孙杨出事的原因。
【 在 V123 (文成武德日月神教教主-正在301治脚气) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你压根没有get the point
: 这种密闭，防tamper的血样保存容器，是不能被打开的，一旦搁进去，就只能到实验室
: 按照规则打开
: “remove blood sample from the container " 会让血样失效，这个采样官和运动员
: 显然都知道（或者应该知道），就像你开车的都应该知道不能超速一样 --- 当然你可
: 以argue你不知道，但是结果。。。
: 采样官不回在发生争执的时候去抢夺，保护这个container，因为这不是公社的大粪
！
: 你抢夺了你自己负责，人家冷眼旁观而已 --- 采样官当然不会协助你---- 协助你违反
: 采样规定么？
: contained
: ...................
孙杨知道如何合理途径取回血样。他以前走过合理途径。
所以他这次的表演，特别是他队医的表演，只说明了一件事 - 孙杨又误服了什么药。
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 是你不愿意理解别人罢了。
: 我的意思就是，孙杨有权用合理途径取回血样。只不过，他不懂啥是合理途径，只知道
: 对方允许他取回血样。于是他用了错误的方法破坏了血样。
: 这个采样官完全可以告诉孙杨到哪个实验室走哪个程序可以取回血样，他选择不告诉。
: 他就算告诉了孙杨如何取回血样，也完全不违反采样规定好吗？孙杨取回血样是经过这
: 个人许可的，又不是抢夺。但是他取回血样的方式，不是这个人许可的，这才是孙杨出
: 事的原因。
: ！
孙杨案最致命的细节是Kemp当庭作伪证。其他都可以不看。
【 在 robertfrost (robertfrost) 的大作中提到: 】
: 俺认为孙杨被下了套。最终上诉有赢面，除非他存在论据的作假。
: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/sun-yang-verdict-the-fina-doping-panel-ruling-that-triggered-wada-action/
: 核心是下面两项。领头的是dco,这个人出示了执招。
: 手底下两个人，
: 采尿的DCA---DCO通过网路客户端出示了这个人的身份证明，不过那上面没照片。而且
: 最后尿样也没有被采集。后面吵成一团。这部分一地鸡毛。其实不考虑尿样这部分，都
: 不会对最终结论有多少影响。
: The DCO went so far as to open the DCO Portal on her tablet which
contained
: the contact information of the DCA. This information matched the
information
: on the DCA’s identification document. This did not satisfy the Athlete
as
: ...................
哪次？我只知道他走过WADA定义的合理途径作废过血样，但取回血样是哪次？
【 在 syuan (头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 孙杨知道如何合理途径取回血样。他以前走过合理途径。
: 所以他这次的表演，特别是他队医的表演，只说明了一件事 - 孙杨又误服了什么药。