" As President, I will... * Secure the southern border and drastically decrease the number of illegal entries into the US. * Provide a new tier of long-term permanent residency for anyone who has been here illegally for a substantial amount of time so that they can come out of the shadows, enter the formal economy, and become full members of the community. - This new tier would permit individuals to work and stay in the country, provided they pay their taxes and don’t get convicted of a felony. - This tier would put them on a longer, eighteen-year path to citizenship (the same amount of time it takes those born in the US to get full citizenship rights), not only reflecting our desire to bring them into our country but also their decision to circumvent legal immigration channels. "
Yang's policy is for undocumented to stay in the states for 18 years to get a citizenship. That's fair. If you pay 18 years of taxies, you should have the same right as someone who is born here and grow up to be an adult.
【 在 hci (海螺子) 的大作中提到: 】 : He's lying. : Yang's policy is for undocumented to stay in the states for 18 years to get : a citizenship. That's fair. If you pay 18 years of taxies, you should have : the same right as someone who is born here and grow up to be an adult.
He will start a new tier of residency for these illegible people, allowing them to become citizen after 18 years, if they pay taxes and do not break laws.
I think this is reasonable.
1. They will come out of shadow for they are now registered. They are on a list now, if a future Republican president want to kick them out, he actually can.
2. 18 years is a long time. If someone works and pays taxies for 18 years in a country, it is only humane for them to get the citizenship, for their lives are here.
3. We need these people to work low skill jobs. I do need my cleaner to come every two weeks in my house for $95 only. I don't think it is possible without these people.
That's a separate issue. These people who come here to study will get better path.
" ENTICE HIGH-SKILL INDIVIDUALS
America was built by those who wanted a better life and were willing to leave their home for that goal. Throughout our history, those born here have worked with those who have immigrated here to achieve some of our greatest accomplishments. America is greatest when native-born ideas are supplemented by fresh ideas from those who came here, like all of our ancestors, looking for a better life.
Since America has the greatest higher-education system in the world, many students are attracted here. Additionally, as we have some of the greatest companies headquartered here, high-skill workers are enticed by high salaries and great benefits.
As such, we should greatly expand our H-1B and F-1 visa programs to allow significantly more highly skilled individuals and top-of-their-class students to study and work here. Additionally, any highly rated worker or graduating student who receives a graduate degree here should be given a green card card to remain in this country as a permanent resident. "
Every graduate student gets a green card automatically. See that?
【 在 hci (海螺子) 的大作中提到: 】 : That's precisely what Yang's policy is about. : His policies just make senses. There's a loyal Yang Gang for a good reason. : He's one of us. I am proud. My supporting Andrew Yang is doing good for my : son.
You don't know that. You cannot be a defeatist: only his policy that is good for us will be defeated? That's not logical. This policy is one of his core beliefs. He talked about his father came to US constantly in speeches. He's personal hero is his father. I doubt he will not fight for this once become president.
Every politician promises something. Why are you so stupid in believing otherwise.
The real question is this: Is the promise actually good for you?
$1000/month will be good for most people here. It is funded by 10% VAT, which means at most 10% price increase. For most people here, we are not spending over $120k a year buying luxury goods, so it's a net positive.
Truthfully, it will be initially funded by printing money. That's why his policy does not say freedom dividend will be deficit neutral.
Yang often cite 4 trillion bank bail out, that didn't create any inflation. Don't think printing 1 trillion a year for freedom dividend will do anything. However, the economic benefit will be long term and for real, so it pays off in the end.
But he will not tell you that. I am telling you that.
【 在 hci (海螺子) 的大作中提到: 】 : That's a separate issue. These people who come here to study will get better : path. : " : ENTICE HIGH-SKILL INDIVIDUALS : America was built by those who wanted a better life and were willing to : leave their home for that goal. Throughout our history, those born here have : worked with those who have immigrated here to achieve some of our greatest : accomplishments. America is greatest when native-born ideas are supplemented : by fresh ideas from those who came here, like all of our ancestors, looking : for a better life. : ...................
Freedom Dividend is only for US Citizens. Not even green card holders.
Yang's freedom dividend will reduce welfare, for not all welfare stack with freedom dividend. E.g. food stamp, SNAP, etc cash-like welfare are not stacked. People have to choose. Most will choose freedom dividend, for it is no string attached, no need to report anything, no need to hide your income in order to not loose it, etc.
It's a small government Republican policy, passed twice in congress under Nixon. Alaska, a red state, has it. So your points are just ignorant.
1.如果只是公民发放,外国人拿不到。那么非法移民大多数会自动离开美国。公民每个月有了一千打底,随便再打点低薪工作,日子就完全能过得下去,原来不愿意做的低薪工作变得完全可以接受。非法移民得加倍工作,才能维持生活。
2. 因为有1千美元/月打底,最低薪水完全可以减半。企业可以大幅度减轻负担。由于
薪水暴降,非法移民会变得很难维持生活。但是公民会活得很轻松。
3.由于每个月的收入不是完全由老板出,本国公民雇员会变得很抢手。老板对员工会变得很客气,不会再随便说YOU ARE FIRED。老百姓的工作会变得更加稳定,不再像现在
一样不停地换工作,搬家,婚姻都变成奢侈品了。
仔细想想,如果真的实现,还是有很多现实意义。虽然作为华裔,ANDREW YANG很难当
选,但是他的主张还是很有合理的一面。
1.非法移民是猪党亲爹,除非羊先叛党,不然非法移民这词儿他都不敢直说,更别说不发钱了
2.有了一千元打底,现有的最低薪水都找不到人干活了,更别说薪水爆降
最搞笑的是,这一千元你打算用什么方式实现,总统令还是联邦法,想过没有?
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 1.如果只是公民发放,外国人拿不到。那么非法移民大多数会自动离开美国。公民每个
: 月有了一千打底,随便再打点低薪工作,日子就完全能过得下去,原来不愿意做的低薪
: 工作变得完全可以接受。非法移民得加倍工作,才能维持生活。
: 2. 因为有1千美元/月打底,最低薪水完全可以减半。企业可以大幅度减轻负担。由于
: 薪水暴降,非法移民会变得很难维持生活。但是公民会活得很轻松。
: 3.由于每个月的收入不是完全由老板出,本国公民雇员会变得很抢手。老板对员工会变
: 得很客气,不会再随便说YOU ARE FIRED。老百姓的工作会变得更加稳定,不再像现在
: 一样不停地换工作,搬家,婚姻都变成奢侈品了。
: 仔细想想,如果真的实现,还是有很多现实意义。虽然作为华裔,ANDREW YANG很难当
: 选,但是他的主张还是很有合理的一面。
穷疯了把你
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 1.如果只是公民发放,外国人拿不到。那么非法移民大多数会自动离开美国。公民每个
: 月有了一千打底,随便再打点低薪工作,日子就完全能过得下去,原来不愿意做的低薪
: 工作变得完全可以接受。非法移民得加倍工作,才能维持生活。
: 2. 因为有1千美元/月打底,最低薪水完全可以减半。企业可以大幅度减轻负担。由于
: 薪水暴降,非法移民会变得很难维持生活。但是公民会活得很轻松。
: 3.由于每个月的收入不是完全由老板出,本国公民雇员会变得很抢手。老板对员工会变
: 得很客气,不会再随便说YOU ARE FIRED。老百姓的工作会变得更加稳定,不再像现在
: 一样不停地换工作,搬家,婚姻都变成奢侈品了。
: 仔细想想,如果真的实现,还是有很多现实意义。虽然作为华裔,ANDREW YANG很难当
: 选,但是他的主张还是很有合理的一面。
发放钱,当然得通过SOCIAL SECURITY发放,非法移民没有社会安全号,当然拿不到。
外国人刚来美国,哪怕拿到社会安全号,就拿到福利金,显然美国老百姓不会同意。就说明,如果真的执行,会变成这么一个只发给公民的现实,不但非法移民拿不到,合法移民,但是还没入籍的一样也会拿不到。
有1000/月打底,加上低薪1000-2000/月,就会有2000-3000/月的收入,基本生活就完
全能维持,过上正常的工薪阶层的生活。我相信还是会有很合理的吸引力的。
怎么发放,这得让ANDREW YANG来伤脑筋了。我只是说他的想法,有他合理的一面。
【 在 PLA (想当大公司的经理) 的大作中提到: 】
: 1.非法移民是猪党亲爹,除非羊先叛党,不然非法移民这词儿他都不敢直说,更别说不
: 发钱了
: 2.有了一千元打底,现有的最低薪水都找不到人干活了,更别说薪水爆降
: 最搞笑的是,这一千元你打算用什么方式实现,总统令还是联邦法,想过没有?
我只是在努力客观地讨论,不是说我需要这一千美元。就事论事地讨论ANDREW YANG的
想法而已。希望别带人身攻击。
【 在 josephjj (josephjj) 的大作中提到: 】
: 穷疯了把你
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 1.如果只是公民发放,外国人拿不到。那么非法移民大多数会自动离开美国。公民每个
: 月有了一千打底,随便再打点低薪工作,日子就完全能过得下去,原来不愿意做的低薪
: 工作变得完全可以接受。非法移民得加倍工作,才能维持生活。
某种程度上而言,就是合法/非法未入籍移民/机器人来养公民。
: 2. 因为有1千美元/月打底,最低薪水完全可以减半。企业可以大幅度减轻负担。由于
: 薪水暴降,非法移民会变得很难维持生活。但是公民会活得很轻松。
这个估计刚好相反,公民不愿去做这些最低工资的工作,而选择自己觉得更好的工作,这
些工作最后都是非公民来做。薪水倒应该不会爆降,用工短缺下,反而会略微上升。
: 3.由于每个月的收入不是完全由老板出,本国公民雇员会变得很抢手。老板对员工会变
: 得很客气,不会再随便说YOU ARE FIRED。老百姓的工作会变得更加稳定,不再像现在
: 一样不停地换工作,搬家,婚姻都变成奢侈品了。
这个是有可能,家庭,社会更稳定一些。就算监狱出来的人,每个月能有一千块,那些不
是死硬分子再犯罪的会少很多吧。
: 仔细想想,如果真的实现,还是有很多现实意义。虽然作为华裔,ANDREW YANG很难当
: 选,但是他的主张还是很有合理的一面。
只能说理论上挺好,但是遗憾的是美国没有那么多钱,可操作性不高。属于镜花水月吧。
UBI这东西,就当谈资聊聊吧,也许过上一二十年,才会有实现可能。
你在装傻吧, 在按住羊的政策下根本没有非法移民, 非法全部变合法了.
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 1.如果只是公民发放,外国人拿不到。那么非法移民大多数会自动离开美国。公民每个
: 月有了一千打底,随便再打点低薪工作,日子就完全能过得下去,原来不愿意做的低薪
: 工作变得完全可以接受。非法移民得加倍工作,才能维持生活。
: 2. 因为有1千美元/月打底,最低薪水完全可以减半。企业可以大幅度减轻负担。由于
: 薪水暴降,非法移民会变得很难维持生活。但是公民会活得很轻松。
: 3.由于每个月的收入不是完全由老板出,本国公民雇员会变得很抢手。老板对员工会变
: 得很客气,不会再随便说YOU ARE FIRED。老百姓的工作会变得更加稳定,不再像现在
: 一样不停地换工作,搬家,婚姻都变成奢侈品了。
: 仔细想想,如果真的实现,还是有很多现实意义。虽然作为华裔,ANDREW YANG很难当
: 选,但是他的主张还是很有合理的一面。
我没看到啥把非法移民都变成公民的啥想法。不过哪怕都变成公民了,以后的非法移民想继续变公民,不会那么容易吧?否则全世界的人都挤进来了。
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你在装傻吧, 在按住羊的政策下根本没有非法移民, 非法全部变合法了.
只发公民
绿卡都没有
对头!你的解释我基本接受。
不过说现在不行,过一二十年,才会有实现可能?如果美国没有根本性的变化,我感觉美国在走下坡路,现在不行,以后更加不行。看起来很烧钱,其实只是社会财富再
分配。社会财富就那么点,给每个人都发钱了,货币必然贬值。最后的结果,其实有点像中国的事业单位,工资一部分由国家发放,另外事业单位再发放劳务费或者奖金。最后大家拿到手的钱,实际还是那么点,只是一部分变成由国家来发放,而不是完全由老板来发放而已,会缓和一下社会压力,让工作变得稳定那么点。
【 在 DreamTiger (钟爱你一生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 某种程度上而言,就是合法/非法未入籍移民/机器人来养公民。
: 这个估计刚好相反,公民不愿去做这些最低工资的工作,而选择自己觉得更好的工作,这
: 些工作最后都是非公民来做。薪水倒应该不会爆降,用工短缺下,反而会略微上升。: 这个是有可能,家庭,社会更稳定一些。就算监狱出来的人,每个月能有一千块,那些不
: 是死硬分子再犯罪的会少很多吧。
: 只能说理论上挺好,但是遗憾的是美国没有那么多钱,可操作性不高。属于镜花水月吧。
: UBI这东西,就当谈资聊聊吧,也许过上一二十年,才会有实现可能。
你竟然没看到? 去按住羊的网站看看就知道了. 他要把所有非法移民都变成合法的. 不管非法移民是不是小学有没有毕业.
或者这里的那个洗车的ID也可以免费教育你阿.
另外既然是非法的, 那么就是没有记录, 所以哪里来的以前和以后阿? 在什么以前? 什么以后?
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我没看到啥把非法移民都变成公民的啥想法。不过哪怕都变成公民了,以后的非法移民
: 想继续变公民,不会那么容易吧?否则全世界的人都挤进来了。
没上过ANDREW YANG的网站,只是看新闻有感而发。不过,如果真的把啥非法移民都变
成合法的,纯粹就是乱许诺,骗选票。这种不负责任的乱许诺,不光骗不了选票,还会害得潜在的选民远离。
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你竟然没看到? 去按住羊的网站看看就知道了. 他要把所有非法移民都变成合法的. 不
: 管非法移民是不是小学有没有毕业.
: 或者这里的那个洗车的ID也可以免费教育你阿.
: 另外既然是非法的, 那么就是没有记录, 所以哪里来的以前和以后阿? 在什么以前? 什
: 么以后?
两点,姑且当真听听:
1)他说要加强边境管理。
2)对已经在美国国内,没有犯罪记录的非法移民,提供18年入籍的路径。
之所以要18年,他认为不能比合法途径更短。
也不能说完全不合理,Trump还在说要跟民主党讨价还价给Dreamer一个
协议合法停留呢。当然,板内群英第一句话就是第一点他做不到,第二
点他做过头。
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 没上过ANDREW YANG的网站,只是看新闻有感而发。不过,如果真的把啥非法移民都变
: 成合法的,纯粹就是乱许诺,骗选票。这种不负责任的乱许诺,不光骗不了选票,还会
: 害得潜在的选民远离。
Don't spread lies.
Andrew Yang's path to citizen for undocumented is 18 years in the states.
18 years paying taxes earns you a citizenship, it's fair.
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/pathway-to-citizenship-2/
"
As President, I will...
* Secure the southern border and drastically decrease the number of illegal entries into the US.
* Provide a new tier of long-term permanent residency for anyone who has
been here illegally for a substantial amount of time so that they can come
out of the shadows, enter the formal economy, and become full members of the community.
- This new tier would permit individuals to work and stay in the country, provided they pay their taxes and don’t get convicted of a felony.
- This tier would put them on a longer, eighteen-year path to citizenship (the same amount of time it takes those born in the US to get full
citizenship rights), not only reflecting our desire to bring them into our
country but also their decision to circumvent legal immigration channels.
"
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你在装傻吧, 在按住羊的政策下根本没有非法移民, 非法全部变合法了.
18 years paying taxes. That's fair.
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你竟然没看到? 去按住羊的网站看看就知道了. 他要把所有非法移民都变成合法的. 不
: 管非法移民是不是小学有没有毕业.
: 或者这里的那个洗车的ID也可以免费教育你阿.
: 另外既然是非法的, 那么就是没有记录, 所以哪里来的以前和以后阿? 在什么以前? 什
: 么以后?
He's lying.
Yang's policy is for undocumented to stay in the states for 18 years to get a citizenship. That's fair. If you pay 18 years of taxies, you should have
the same right as someone who is born here and grow up to be an adult.
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 没上过ANDREW YANG的网站,只是看新闻有感而发。不过,如果真的把啥非法移民都变
: 成合法的,纯粹就是乱许诺,骗选票。这种不负责任的乱许诺,不光骗不了选票,还会
: 害得潜在的选民远离。
尼玛你不懂法律?
这个18年间难道这些非法移民没有合法身份? 一直非法18年?
当然是有了合法签证的, 有合法签证就是合法移民了, 尽管不是马上公民,但肯定是合
法移民了.
【 在 hci (海螺子) 的大作中提到: 】
: He's lying.
: Yang's policy is for undocumented to stay in the states for 18 years to
get
: a citizenship. That's fair. If you pay 18 years of taxies, you should have
: the same right as someone who is born here and grow up to be an adult.
我早指出这个非法移民合法18年后变公民的荒谬之处了.
就是非法移民不管是不是小学毕业, 反正只要非法来了就可以变合法,然后合法18年就
变公民了.
但是来美国读本科的留学生,合法进来的, 读完书还要去抽工作签证,抽不到就要离开美国. 尼玛这个不是搞笑嘛? 合法进来的本科生没工作签证就要离开. 非法进来的什么都不用, 就直接拿合法签证了.
按住羊这个玩笑开这么大, 支持羊的人真的是傻逼才看不出来这么搞笑的政策嘛?
【 在 DreamTiger (钟爱你一生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 两点,姑且当真听听:
: 1)他说要加强边境管理。
: 2)对已经在美国国内,没有犯罪记录的非法移民,提供18年入籍的路径。
: 之所以要18年,他认为不能比合法途径更短。
: 也不能说完全不合理,Trump还在说要跟民主党讨价还价给Dreamer一个
: 协议合法停留呢。当然,板内群英第一句话就是第一点他做不到,第二
: 点他做过头。
现在1000块发不起,过上一二十年就发的起了。当然,到那时候,贫困线又不一样了。我的观点,UBI有他的好处,有钱可以搞搞,比medicare for all要好。没钱也别硬
搞,硬搞的下场就是委内瑞拉,福利发到破产。
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 对头!你的解释我基本接受。
: 不过说现在不行,过一二十年,才会有实现可能?如果美国没有根本性的变化,我感觉
: 美国在走下坡路,现在不行,以后更加不行。看起来很烧钱,其实只是社会财富再
: 分配。社会财富就那么点,给每个人都发钱了,货币必然贬值。最后的结果,其实有点
: 像中国的事业单位,工资一部分由国家发放,另外事业单位再发放劳务费或者奖金。最
: 后大家拿到手的钱,实际还是那么点,只是一部分变成由国家来发放,而不是完全由老
: 板来发放而已,会缓和一下社会压力,让工作变得稳定那么点。
: ,这
: 些不
: 吧。
He will start a new tier of residency for these illegible people, allowing
them to become citizen after 18 years, if they pay taxes and do not break
laws.
I think this is reasonable.
1. They will come out of shadow for they are now registered. They are on a
list now, if a future Republican president want to kick them out, he
actually can.
2. 18 years is a long time. If someone works and pays taxies for 18 years in a country, it is only humane for them to get the citizenship, for their
lives are here.
3. We need these people to work low skill jobs. I do need my cleaner to come every two weeks in my house for $95 only. I don't think it is possible
without these people.
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 尼玛你不懂法律?
: 这个18年间难道这些非法移民没有合法身份? 一直非法18年?
: 当然是有了合法签证的, 有合法签证就是合法移民了, 尽管不是马上公民,但肯定是合
: 法移民了.
: get
That's a separate issue. These people who come here to study will get better path.
"
ENTICE HIGH-SKILL INDIVIDUALS
America was built by those who wanted a better life and were willing to
leave their home for that goal. Throughout our history, those born here have worked with those who have immigrated here to achieve some of our greatest accomplishments. America is greatest when native-born ideas are supplemented by fresh ideas from those who came here, like all of our ancestors, looking for a better life.
Since America has the greatest higher-education system in the world, many
students are attracted here. Additionally, as we have some of the greatest
companies headquartered here, high-skill workers are enticed by high
salaries and great benefits.
As such, we should greatly expand our H-1B and F-1 visa programs to allow
significantly more highly skilled individuals and top-of-their-class
students to study and work here. Additionally, any highly rated worker or
graduating student who receives a graduate degree here should be given a
green card card to remain in this country as a permanent resident.
"
Every graduate student gets a green card automatically. See that?
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我早指出这个非法移民合法18年后变公民的荒谬之处了.
: 就是非法移民不管是不是小学毕业, 反正只要非法来了就可以变合法,然后合法18年就
: 变公民了.
: 但是来美国读本科的留学生,合法进来的, 读完书还要去抽工作签证,抽不到就要离开美
: 国. 尼玛这个不是搞笑嘛? 合法进来的本科生没工作签证就要离开. 非法进来的什么都
: 不用, 就直接拿合法签证了.
: 按住羊这个玩笑开这么大, 支持羊的人真的是傻逼才看不出来这么搞笑的政策嘛?
这个我同意。听上去很美,但实现起来很难。合法移民非法居留后再走这个
途径算合法还是算非法。非法入境者不能获得比合法入境者更多的便利,这
个应该是个标准。
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我早指出这个非法移民合法18年后变公民的荒谬之处了.
: 就是非法移民不管是不是小学毕业, 反正只要非法来了就可以变合法,然后合法18年就
: 变公民了.
: 但是来美国读本科的留学生,合法进来的, 读完书还要去抽工作签证,抽不到就要离开美
: 国. 尼玛这个不是搞笑嘛? 合法进来的本科生没工作签证就要离开. 非法进来的什么都
: 不用, 就直接拿合法签证了.
: 按住羊这个玩笑开这么大, 支持羊的人真的是傻逼才看不出来这么搞笑的政策嘛?
其实作为一个总统候选人,能做出大体的判断就行了,真的当上总统,细节下面的人会运作出合理的方案来的。
对我来说,只要知道不会直接把非法移民变成合法移民来吃福利就行。就不知ANDREW
YANG得罪了这里哪些人,会来造谣中伤?
【 在 DreamTiger (钟爱你一生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个我同意。听上去很美,但实现起来很难。合法移民非法居留后再走这个
: 途径算合法还是算非法。非法入境者不能获得比合法入境者更多的便利,这
: 个应该是个标准。
That's precisely what Yang's policy is about.
His policies just make senses. There's a loyal Yang Gang for a good reason.
He's one of us. I am proud. My supporting Andrew Yang is doing good for my
son.
【 在 DreamTiger (钟爱你一生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个我同意。听上去很美,但实现起来很难。合法移民非法居留后再走这个
: 途径算合法还是算非法。非法入境者不能获得比合法入境者更多的便利,这
: 个应该是个标准。
假设,纯属假设,Yang当了总统,这个非移合法化倒是有可能成功,毕竟Obama的
Dreamer
就成功实施了,但他说的毕业拿绿卡,根本不可能成功,被告种族歧视倒是有可能。所以
结果很可能就是合法受损,非移得利。
【 在 hci (海螺子) 的大作中提到: 】
: That's precisely what Yang's policy is about.
: His policies just make senses. There's a loyal Yang Gang for a good reason.
: He's one of us. I am proud. My supporting Andrew Yang is doing good for my
: son.
理解有误,
物价涨不了多少, 绝大部分非移不会走, 会蛮高兴解决了身份问题安安耽耽交税18年后拿公民.
经济好的地区工资会涨而不是跌, 这些地方生活费高,低收入公民会倾向于离开,非移会留下挣钱挤小公寓.
吃亏最大的是要交VAT的大公司和其持股人, 不用交VAT的比如食品业股价会涨.
经济不好消费低的区域受益,会有人口流入,生活费低,低工资公民也能接受.
注意加比如10%VAT并不是等于涨价10%, 欧洲经验大概涨5%.
You don't know that. You cannot be a defeatist: only his policy that is good for us will be defeated? That's not logical. This policy is one of his core beliefs.
He talked about his father came to US constantly in speeches. He's personal
hero is his father. I doubt he will not fight for this once become president.
【 在 DreamTiger (钟爱你一生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 假设,纯属假设,Yang当了总统,这个非移合法化倒是有可能成功,毕竟Obama的
: Dreamer
: 就成功实施了,但他说的毕业拿绿卡,根本不可能成功,被告种族歧视倒是有可能。所以
: 结果很可能就是合法受损,非移得利。
: .
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你在装傻吧, 在按住羊的政策下根本没有非法移民, 非法全部变合法了.
+1,作弊们发1000元的最大目的就是用大家的钱给自己买选票,认识不到这一点的不是太蠢就是别有用心
Every politician promises something. Why are you so stupid in believing
otherwise.
The real question is this: Is the promise actually good for you?
$1000/month will be good for most people here. It is funded by 10% VAT,
which means at most 10% price increase. For most people here, we are not
spending over $120k a year buying luxury goods, so it's a net positive.
【 在 felixsybian (PIMCO || BRCM) 的大作中提到: 】
: +1,作弊们发1000元的最大目的就是用大家的钱给自己买选票,认识不到这一点的不是
: 太蠢就是别有用心
委内瑞拉因为是欠的外币,是美元,刚好石油价格崩盘,搞得本国货币崩溃。美国发行的是美元国债,要崩只会让美元贬值,不至于外币债务高得本国货币崩盘。加州以往一个城市搞过,每人发放500美元,效果不错,或许1000美元发不起,可以先发500美元。
【 在 DreamTiger (钟爱你一生) 的大作中提到: 】
: 现在1000块发不起,过上一二十年就发的起了。当然,到那时候,贫困线又不一样了。
: 我的观点,UBI有他的好处,有钱可以搞搞,比medicare for all要好。没钱也别硬
: 搞,硬搞的下场就是委内瑞拉,福利发到破产。
Truthfully, it will be initially funded by printing money. That's why his
policy does not say freedom dividend will be deficit neutral.
Yang often cite 4 trillion bank bail out, that didn't create any inflation. Don't think printing 1 trillion a year for freedom dividend will do anything. However, the economic benefit will be long term and for real, so it pays
off in the end.
But he will not tell you that. I am telling you that.
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 委内瑞拉因为是欠的外币,是美元,刚好石油价格崩盘,搞得本国货币崩溃。美国发行
: 的是美元国债,要崩只会让美元贬值,不至于外币债务高得本国货币崩盘。加州以往一
: 个城市搞过,每人发放500美元,效果不错,或许1000美元发不起,可以先发500美元。
尼玛我都讲了无数次了. 你是看不懂英文嘛?
羊说的是graduate student, 你不懂什么叫graduate student就去查字典.
而非法移民就是小学没毕业也没问题, 只要你是非法的, 马上变成合法的. 这个不是搞笑嘛?
【 在 hci (海螺子) 的大作中提到: 】
: That's a separate issue. These people who come here to study will get
better
: path.
: "
: ENTICE HIGH-SKILL INDIVIDUALS
: America was built by those who wanted a better life and were willing to
: leave their home for that goal. Throughout our history, those born here
have
: worked with those who have immigrated here to achieve some of our
greatest
: accomplishments. America is greatest when native-born ideas are
supplemented
: by fresh ideas from those who came here, like all of our ancestors,
looking
: for a better life.
: ...................
现在羊的政策不就是直接把非法移民变成合法移民嘛? 你觉得他们变成合法后您能要求他们不吃福利?
【 在 Volvo12 (隔壁老王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 其实作为一个总统候选人,能做出大体的判断就行了,真的当上总统,细节下面的人会
: 运作出合理的方案来的。
: 对我来说,只要知道不会直接把非法移民变成合法移民来吃福利就行。就不知ANDREW
: YANG得罪了这里哪些人,会来造谣中伤?
Most people in here are graduate students.
The illegal immigrants are not competing with us. They work for us.
What's your point?
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 尼玛我都讲了无数次了. 你是看不懂英文嘛?
: 羊说的是graduate student, 你不懂什么叫graduate student就去查字典.
: 而非法移民就是小学没毕业也没问题, 只要你是非法的, 马上变成合法的. 这个不是搞
: 笑嘛?
: better
: have
: greatest
: supplemented
: looking
我只是说,ANDREW YANG的政策,有他合理的一面,我承认,他的不完善的地方更多。
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 现在羊的政策不就是直接把非法移民变成合法移民嘛? 你觉得他们变成合法后您能要求
: 他们不吃福利?
After 18 years, why not?
Freedom Dividend is only for US Citizens. Not even green card holders.
Yang's freedom dividend will reduce welfare, for not all welfare stack with freedom dividend. E.g. food stamp, SNAP, etc cash-like welfare are not
stacked. People have to choose. Most will choose freedom dividend, for it is no string attached, no need to report anything, no need to hide your income in order to not loose it, etc.
It's a small government Republican policy, passed twice in congress under
Nixon. Alaska, a red state, has it. So your points are just ignorant.
I am a Republican, I am for Freedom Dividend.
【 在 lczlcz (lcz) 的大作中提到: 】
: 现在羊的政策不就是直接把非法移民变成合法移民嘛? 你觉得他们变成合法后您能要求
: 他们不吃福利?