二元思维: 大学录取讨论

gogo2004
楼主
郎咸平一次在某大学演讲中说,我们的企业不要追求做大做强,大学的高材生就问他:“难道要做小做弱吗?”

这是推论错误,不要追求做大做强并不一定就是做小做弱。这就是典型的二元思维、好坏人思维、非黑即白思维,这种思维只看到了事物的相反的两面或两端,忽视了其他方面或两个极端之间的中间情况,而其他方面可能很多,中间情况也往往是最普遍的。

二元思维是中国人常见的思维,这是一种很简单的思维,小孩就会的好坏人思维,很多中国人上了这么多年的学,思维还处在小学生水平。
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uwocosco
有道理,但二元思维比一元思维还是好点。众所周知,大学录取GPA, SAT, 社会活动
,体育活动,个个比PSAT重要得多,可有人整天就是用semifinal list衡量一切。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
郎咸平一次在某大学演讲中说,我们的企业不要追求做大做强,大学的高材生就问他:
“难道要做小做弱吗?”
这是推论错误,不要追求做大做强并不一定就是做小做弱。这就是典型的二元思维、好
坏人思维、非黑即白思维,这种思维只看到了事物的相反的两面或两端,忽视了其他方
面或两个极端之间的中间情况,而其他方面可能很多,中间情况也往往是最普遍的。: 二元思维是中国人常见的思维,这是一种很简单的思维,小孩就会的好坏人思维,很多
中国人上了这么多年的学,思维还处在小学生水平。
gogo2004
【 在 uwocosco (azkaban) 的大作中提到: 】
有道理,但二元思维比一元思维还是好点。众所周知,大学录取GPA, SAT, 社会活动
,体育活动,个个比PSAT重要得多,可有人整天就是用semifinal list衡量一切。
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PSAT .... 全体学生, 一张考卷 没有种族,收入高低, 只有一次考试. 可以被看作是
绝对的标准
测试学术水平.
semifinalist: 他们是公开的 ... 被用作指数 (index) ...
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uwocosco
学生“录取指数” = 就读高中(0-4分) + 课程难度(0-21分) + 年级排名(0-3分) + 平均成绩(0-16分) + SAT成绩(6-25分) + 国家荣誉学者决赛者(0-3分) +申请论文(-3-5
分) + 推荐信(-2-4分) + 课外活动(-5-30分) + 种族多元化(-3-5分) +体育活动(8-40分) + 超级录取(40分) +红包项目:[父母(3~8分)+家住远处(3分)+教练征召(5-10分)+极其特殊(3-5分)

这个虽然不一定精确,但大方向和传统的说法是差不多的。PSAT基本上没什么分量。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
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PSAT .... 全体学生, 一张考卷 没有种族,收入高低, 只有一次考试. 可以被看作是
绝对的标准
测试学术水平.
semifinalist: 他们是公开的 ... 被用作指数 (index) ...
gogo2004
【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
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PSAT .... 全体学生, 一张考卷 没有种族,收入高低, 只有一次考试. 可以被看作是
绝对的标准
测试学术水平.
semifinalist: 他们是公开的 ... 被用作指数 (index) ...
被我用作指数 (index)
u
uwocosco
没错啊,多元指数和一元指数的关系嘛,印证了原帖的说法。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
被我用作指数 (index)
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uwocosco
顺便说一下这个PSAT. 我们家孩子学习成绩中等。8年级时练习了一周SAT正确率就能达到80%以上,很多还是粗心错。PSAT 难度要小于SAT,对于10年级的学生来说,估计难
度就在阅读上。这个荣誉名单我看是运气名单。Science, social study,外语都没有。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
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PSAT .... 全体学生, 一张考卷 没有种族,收入高低, 只有一次考试. 可以被看作是
绝对的标准
测试学术水平.
semifinalist: 他们是公开的 ... 被用作指数 (index) ...
gogo2004
【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
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PSAT .... 全体学生, 一张考卷 没有种族,收入高低, 只有一次考试. 可以被看作是
绝对的标准
测试学术水平.
semifinalist: 他们是公开的 ... 被用作指数 (index) ...
每个高中的半决赛人数 (所有学生和中国学生), 被我用作指数, 来比较.
学生姓名是公开的,所以我可以在Facebook上搜索他们.
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uwocosco
我明白了,就好比老师给学生100道考题,然后就用第一道题的结果用做指数,来比较。
你自己真能接受这种逻辑?也许吧。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
每个高中的半决赛人数 (所有学生和中国学生), 被我用作指数, 来比较.
学生姓名是公开的,所以我可以在Facebook上搜索他们.
gogo2004
"我明白了"? r u sure ?

就好比"高考委员会"给全国11年级学生, 1000道考题(在同一时间),然后,
每州,就用答对题数最多的 前0.5%学生(ex.2017, IL 答对996题及以上),
给他们豆腐奖, 公开这些学生的名字. 不同高中, 豆腐奖的学生人数不同.
用这个人数做指数,来比较。

你自己真不能接受这种逻辑?也许假装困惑吧。

【 在 uwocosco (azkaban) 的大作中提到: 】
我明白了,就好比老师给学生100道考题,然后就用第一道题的结果用做指数,来比
较。
你自己真能接受这种逻辑?也许吧。
gogo2004
【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
"我明白了"? r u sure ?
就好比"高考委员会"给全国11年级学生, 1000道考题(在同一时间),然后,
每州,就用答对题数最多的 前0.5%学生(ex.2017, IL 答对996题及以上),
给他们豆腐奖, 公开这些学生的名字. 不同高中, 豆腐奖的学生人数不同.
用这个人数做指数,来比较。
你自己真不能接受这种逻辑?也许假装困惑吧。
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这里是一个例子, LAKE ZURICH H. S. 2011-17, 四名中国学生得到豆腐奖,
999 Wang, --- Yale
904 Yang, --- NWU
999 Sun, Z. ----NWU
204 Li, Y. (2017)
Adlai E Stevenson High School 2011-17, 102名中国学生得到豆腐奖,
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SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2011
http://adc.d211.org/pdf/Natl_Merit_Program_Semifinalists.pdf
LAKE ZURICH H. S.
999 Wang, --- Yale
904 Yang, --- NWU
http://patch.com/illinois/lakezurich/lzhs-valedictorian-recalls-four-years-with-the-double-ones
SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2012
http://adc.d211.org/pdf/National_Merit_Semifinalists_ILL_2012.pdf
999 Sun, Z. ----NWU
SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2017
https://adc.d211.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2017-IL-Semifinalists-
NatlMeritProgram.pdf
LAKE ZURICH H. S. (one Chinese kid)
204 Li, Y.
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2011-2017: SEMIFINALISTS 2+6+1+4+7+1+6 = 27
4 out of 27 are Chinese: 4/27 ... 15%
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Adlai E Stevenson High School
2011-17: SEMIFINALISTS: 28+21+26+29+53+32+36 = 225
102 out of 225 are Chinese: 102/225 ... 45.3 %
u
uwocosco
你有孩子吗?简单说,PSAT就是考初中数学和英语。高中学生初中英语数学学得再好,对大学的录取意义也不大。
估计你也是骑虎难下了,那就继续努力吧。有些人孩子还没上初中,还是有上当的可能的。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
"我明白了"? r u sure ?
就好比"高考委员会"给全国11年级学生, 1000道考题(在同一时间),然后,
每州,就用答对题数最多的 前0.5%学生(ex.2017, IL 答对996题及以上),
给他们豆腐奖, 公开这些学生的名字. 不同高中, 豆腐奖的学生人数不同.
用这个人数做指数,来比较。
你自己真不能接受这种逻辑?也许假装困惑吧。
较。
gogo2004
【 在 uwocosco (azkaban) 的大作中提到: 】
你有孩子吗?简单说,PSAT就是考初中数学和英语。高中学生初中英语数学学得再好,
对大学的录取意义也不大。
估计你也是骑虎难下了,那就继续努力吧。有些人孩子还没上初中,还是有上当的可能
的。
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university of Chicago
Exemplary students are selected to receive University merit scholarships on the basis of outstanding academic achievement (including recognition as a **National Merit Finalist** or through the National Hispanic Recognition
Program), extracurricular achievement, demonstrated leadership, and
commitment to their communities
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said that Harvard has enrolled the highest number of Merit scholars for as
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uwocosco
这个,这个是97年的事。现在哈佛连SAT满分的都拒。PSAT大部分高中成绩单上都没有。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
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university of Chicago
Exemplary students are selected to receive University merit scholarships
on
the basis of outstanding academic achievement (including recognition as a **
National Merit Finalist** or through the National Hispanic Recognition
Program), extracurricular achievement, demonstrated leadership, and
commitment to their communities
https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/page/merit-scholarships
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Director of Admissions and Financial Aid, Dr. Marlyn McGrath-Lewis '70-'73
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gogo2004
【 在 uwocosco (azkaban) 的大作中提到: 】
这个,这个是97年的事。现在哈佛连SAT满分的都拒。PSAT大部分高中成绩单上都没
有。
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Colleges and universities enrolling the 2016 entering class of Merit Scholar® awardees
233 Harvard University
147 Yale University
117 Princeton University
179 Stanford University
154 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
277* University of Chicago (185)
168* Northwestern University (125)
*An asterisk indicates that Merit Scholars whose scholarships are sponsored by the institution are included; the number sponsored by the college is
shown in parentheses.
http://www.nationalmerit.org/s/1758/images/gid2/editor_documents/annual_report.pdf?gid=2&pgid=61&sessionid=d8cf2722-61dd-4bab-8173-5e4d394e8d39
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Exemplary students are selected to receive University merit scholarships on the basis of outstanding academic achievement (including recognition as a
National Merit Finalist or through the National Hispanic Recognition Program), extracurricular achievement, demonstrated leadership, and commitment to
their communities.
https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/page/merit-scholarships
gogo2004
Colleges and universities enrolling the 2016 entering class of Merit Scholar® awardees

277* University of Chicago (185)

*An asterisk indicates that Merit Scholars whose scholarships are sponsored by the institution are included; the number sponsored by the college is
shown in parentheses.
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Number Enrolled 1,591
https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/page/profile-class-2020
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uwocosco
你怎么不把Purdue 列上?也有125个呢。选择性失明了?7,8初中学霸千被录取一二百
,不能说少,但去烂校的也挺多,在semi 里的就更别提了。

【 在 gogo2004 (挑灯看剑) 的大作中提到: 】
有。
Colleges and universities enrolling the 2016 entering class of Merit
Scholar
03 awardees
233 Harvard University
147 Yale University
117 Princeton University
179 Stanford University
154 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
277* University of Chicago (185)
168* Northwestern University (125)
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About 16,000 of the 50,000 are recognized as National Merit Semifinalists in this process.

Of the 15,000 Finalists, about 8,000 receive Merit Scholarship awards.

There are also approximately 4,600 college-sponsored Merit Scholarship
awards for Finalists who plan to attend a sponsor college.

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The PSAT, which is 2 hours and 10 minutes long, is essentially the sole
determinant of qualifying for any part of the National Merit Scholarship (
NMS) Program.

According to the National Merit Scholarship Corporation, 1.5 million
students took the PSAT in 2014. 50,000 students, based on their scores alone, are selected as qualified for further consideration. 35,000 will receive aLetter of Commendation, but go no further.

16,000 will be selected as NMS Program Simi-finalists. Of these, 15,000 willbe named NMS Finalists. One-half of these - based on their PSAT/NMSQT score
, will receive a $2,500 National Merit Scholarship.
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Sponsors of these scholarships include:

*Colleges and universities
*Corporate and business organizations
*The National Merit Scholarship Corporation (NMSC) itself
gogo2004
【 在 uwocosco (azkaban) 的大作中提到: 】
你怎么不把Purdue 列上?也有125个呢。选择性失明了?7,8初中学霸千被录取一二百
,不能说少,但去烂校的也挺多,在semi 里的就更别提了。
Scholar
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150*University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (113)
#71 (tie) in National Universities
Gold Scholar Award for National Merit Finalists
$10,000 each year for four years
Preference for the U of M Gold Scholar Award for National Merit Finalists--
worth $10,000 each year for four years--is given to National Merit Finalists who declare the University of Minnesota Twin Cities as their first-choice
college by the National Merit Scholarship Corporation deadline.
https://admissions.tc.umn.edu/nationalmerit/
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109* Arizona State University (89)
The National Achievement Finalist,
National Hispanic Finalist and National Merit Finalist Scholarship programs are the most generous
scholarship programs at ASU. Please be aware that ASU does not combine
recruitment
scholarships. If you are named a finalist in one or more of these national
programs, your maximum
award is $12,500 (resident students) or $21,500 (nonresident students).
https://students.asu.edu/files/0506-National-Scholars_2.pdf
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60* Auburn University (52)
#99 (tie) in National Universities
National Merit Finalists receive a National Merit Presidential Scholarship:
Value of resident tuition for four years for Alabama residents, currently $
36,288 for four years ($9,072 per year), or $88,000 over four years for non-residents ($22,000 per year)
On-campus housing for one year, valued at $7,800*
University stipend for four years at $4,000 to $8,000 ($1,000 to $2,000 per year),
https://www.auburn.edu/scholarship/undergraduate/national-scholars.html
A National Merit Presidential Scholarship replaces a Spirit of Auburn
Scholarship or an Academic Scholarship, if previously awarded.
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80* Baylor University (70)
#71 (tie) in National Universities
Baylor provides a full tuition academic scholarship to National Merit
Finalists who select Baylor as their first-choice college.
http://www.baylor.edu/admissions/index.php?id=934970
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56* Boston University (44)
High school seniors who have been chosen as National Merit finalists, and
are offered admission to Boston University, will be recognized with a four-
year $20,000 tuition Boston University Presidential Scholarship.
http://www.bu.edu/admissions/apply/tuition-aid-scholarships/scholarships/merit/
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71* Brigham Young University (41)
#68 (tie) in National Universities
National Merit Scholarships are eight-semester, full LDS tuition awards
sponsored by BYU for a number of the incoming freshman students who qualify as finalists in this competition.
https://catalog.byu.edu/policy/financial-aid-scholarships
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81* Northeastern University
(Massachusetts) (62)
National Merit Finalist and National Hispanic Scholar Scholarships
Award: Up to a $30,000 per year scholarship for admitted freshman applicants who are designated National Merit Finalists or National Hispanic
Recognition Program Scholars. Students who are National Hispanic Recognition Program Scholars must submit documentation to Northeastern by the posted
deadline. National Merit Finalists must rank Northeastern as their school of choice by the posted listing deadline.
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279* University of Oklahoma (236)
#111 (tie) in National Universities
Over 30 years ago, The University of Oklahoma made a commitment to the
recruitment and retention of National Merit Scholars ...
Our Fall 2016 class of 279 National Merit Scholars includes students from 40 states.
http://www.ou.edu/admissions/nationalmerit.html
NATIONAL MERIT FINANCIAL PACKAGE
....
Resident Total: $67,000
https://ou.edu/content/dam/recruitment/scholarships/NMpackage_2016_Res.pdf
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230* University of Southern California (189)
#23 in National Universities
Presidential Scholarship: Half tuition scholarship awarded based on academic excellence, leadership, service and talent. (~200 awards)
Students may also be selected for the Presidential Scholarship through the
National Merit Scholarship Corporation on the basis of their PSAT
performance. Entering first-year students are considered if they have been
designated National Merit Finalists and name USC as their first-choice
college. (Number of awards varies)
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125* Purdue University (98)
#60 (tie) in National Universities
gogo2004
The PSAT, which is 2 hours and 10 minutes long, is essentially the sole
determinant of qualifying for any part of the National Merit Scholarship (
NMS) Program.

According to the National Merit Scholarship Corporation, 1.5 million
students took the PSAT in 2014. 50,000 students, based on their scores alone, are selected as qualified for further consideration. 35,000 will receive a Letter of Commendation, but go no further.

16,000 will be selected as NMS Program Simi-finalists. Of these, 15,000 will be named NMS Finalists. One-half of these - based on their PSAT/NMSQT score, will receive a $2,500 National Merit Scholarship.
gogo2004
【 在 uwocosco (azkaban) 的大作中提到: 】
你怎么不把Purdue 列上?也有125个呢。选择性失明了?7,8初中学霸千被录取一二百
,不能说少,但去烂校的也挺多,在semi 里的就更别提了。
Scholar
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150*University of Minnesota-Twin Cities (113)
#71 (tie) in National Universities
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125* Purdue University (98)
#60 (tie) in National Universities
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29 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
2 University of Illinois at Chicago
17* University of Wisconsin-Madison (5)
"学区房 HS中国孩子..国家优异半决赛手去什么大学"
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Chicago/31952249.html