华人如何确保自己的identity,又保证工作生活的需要，以及降低社区information pollution。这是个重要的问题。 现在不是岁月静好的时期了。信息带宽定生死的场景，对每个人来说都可能出现。 我的想法是深入思考的结果。我认为我们可以speak in Chinese by using English。 看看屁歪的网站，多少人纠结这类问题。有要和国内切割的，有以身为中国人为耻的，有认为要让孩子彻底离开中国社区的。 另一边，大陆已经lock down 7亿人。谈论其中 的人道问题，已经是一种负担。
I believed that tools would change people's mindset, in long term.
【 在 netghost (Up to Isomorphism) 的大作中提到: 】 : I can still call you a capitalist dog anyway and trying to get you killed or : humiliated, lol. It is all about the education.
Agree with you. Speaking whatever language, I have the feeling in the past decade that a voice of overseas Chinese have been missing. Maybe, the political and economic climate change will force us to created one. An opportunity might be in front of us.
Just to spell it out loud, you are not asking for a change in personal preference. You are asking for a movement, a new language movement that takes participation from millions of people. If you only have a handful of people in, it doesn’t help much. Might help at individual level, not the community.
How does the movement gain its momentum? Thoughts? Ideas?
【 在 chebyshev(......) 的大作中提到: 】
: I believed that tools would change people's mindset, in long term.
Instead of asking or proposing any movement, I aim to meet the unavoidable historical trend by practice.
Tiny, but solid practice >>>>> useless proposal
萬物作焉而不辭. ----万物生长，不需要修辞。 Speak in Chinese by using English 一个月,零Basic Chinese,你就知道。
找工作版，那么多人见天都说烙印靠英语欺负老中。 我的问题是，那你的行动呢？行动力都是零？Soon or later, 很多人会回来练英语（除非脑子确实被新东方毁掉了。） 【 在 zuzi (过河卒) 的大作中提到: 】 : Agree with you. Speaking whatever language, I have the feeling in the past : decade that a voice of overseas Chinese have been missing. Maybe, the : political and economic climate change will force us to created one. An : opportunity might be in front of us. : : Just to spell it out loud, you are not asking for a change in personal : preference. You are asking for a movement, a new language movement that : takes participation from millions of people. If you only have a handful of : people in, it doesn’t help much. Might help at individual level, not the : community. : ...................
I think we just try to use English as normal people would, but inevitably we will invent our own dialect. Just like the phrases and expression invented on the internet, or a local dialect in any region. Once there’s a lot of people participating, language will evolved as if it has its own life.
Gu has been talking about language a lot recently, often at philosophically level. Now it’s participation time. He doesn’t want to call it a movement and prefer to keep it personal. But I think the overseas Chinese community will have to embrace the movement to survive.
【 在 zlltt(chinglish movement against 大外宣) 的大作中提到: 】
: so we don't try to speak english as close as native speaker
: we just mix some english vocabulary into daily chinese?
[1] I am not interested in persuading or even calling any people to do anything . As I said, for human beings, the last inch of liberty is the capability of creating language, or naming things in different way. I would be more than happy if u are capable of speaking in your own way without asking anybody’s instructions. If u could name things creatively, I would like to applaud for u. （ 中文里，这叫做：道可道，非常道。名可名，非常名。 无名天地之始，有名万物之母。）
Thus your comments are totally pointless and irreverent. I would say it again: The topic of this post is experience sharing.
[2] You may not understand how an evolution goal would be achieved without any instructions. From my understanding, 天地运而无所积，故万物成。Historical movement disqualified and silence people automatically
以前讲过，我本科发过遗传算法的论文，研究生发过干细胞分化和自组织的论文，这是真的。干细胞开始都是一样的，没有人给某个干细胞指令，让其成为脑细胞，或者心脏细胞。但是最后稳定的结构就出现了。without any difficult, I can simulate the logic of those type of self growing process on my cell phone。
[3] Btw, as I remembered, I had never 依依惜别 with anybody. Since 1997, I have not intended to treat any ID as a people since they are all ID. What is the point of 依依惜别？As to others, I treated all IDs as IDs, with great respect.
【 在 zuzi(过河卒) 的大作中提到: 】 <br>: I think we just try to use English as normal people would, but inevitably we <br>: will invent our own dialect. Just like the phrases and expression invented <br>: on the internet, or a local dialect in any region. Once there
:) sharing is caring. Appreciate that you share your thoughts. Whether it’s called upon, or it just happens naturally, I hope it happens. And each individual’s change of behavior will transform the community.
【 在 guvest(我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: 天地运而不积，这些事会自动发生。哪里需要什么人出来call a movement 。出来call
Kobe Bryant说的是融入英语。我怀疑他的死因。 严格说他不是黑人篮球圈的。 【 在 zuzi (过河卒) 的大作中提到: 】 : :) : sharing is caring. Appreciate that you share your thoughts. : Whether it’s called upon, or it just happens naturally, I hope it happens. : And each individual’s change of behavior will transform the community. : : 天地运而不积，这些事会自动发生。哪里需要什么人出来call a movement 。出 : 来call : : movement的多半都是言伪而辩之辈。 : : 这叫做圣人不死，大乱不止。 : : 胡适发明白话文运动，目的是消灭一批旧政治人物。让他们过期。（ : : 就跟一个公司架构改用golang 一样。消灭掉的是写java的。）一百年过去，我 : ...................
华人如何确保自己的identity,又保证工作生活的需要，以及降低社区information
pollution。这是个重要的问题。
现在不是岁月静好的时期了。信息带宽定生死的场景，对每个人来说都可能出现。
我的想法是深入思考的结果。我认为我们可以speak in Chinese by using English。
看看屁歪的网站，多少人纠结这类问题。有要和国内切割的，有以身为中国人为耻的，有认为要让孩子彻底离开中国社区的。
另一边，大陆已经lock down 7亿人。谈论其中
的人道问题，已经是一种负担。
如果你熟悉历史，就知道在1919年，中国的语言是分裂的。胡适等人发明了今日的
basic Chinese。
鲁迅，毛泽东都输在basic Chinese里了。你能比他们说的更好，写得更好吗？所以借
助外语，更好的说中文，是逻辑合适的趋势。
现在的时代，因为网络普及，所以我们无需救世主。我认为互动就可以促成结构的自组织。有兴趣的可以查一下自组织动力系统或者演化动力学的书。
在程序员版，讲究编程语言语法糖的，都是小学生。讲究英语语法的，那是脑子被新东方深洗了的小学生。
黑人，意大利人，乃至香港新加坡人都有自己的英语，也是一点点出来的。要做一个新程序，一开始什么都要照顾，必然是失败。
Chi-glish, speak in Chinese by using English。 人类生来
就是诗人，每一次对话都是创造。孔子，柏拉图的起点其实也是如此。
————
以上我从2月8号至今的实证带来的感想。结论是，继续执行。
I can still call you a capitalist dog anyway and trying to get you killed or humiliated, lol. It is all about the education.
【 在 chebyshev (......) 的大作中提到: 】
: 华人如何确保自己的identity,又保证工作生活的需要，以及降低社区information
: pollution。这是个重要的问题。
: 现在不是岁月静好的时期了。信息带宽定生死的场景，对每个人来说都可能出现。
: 我的想法是深入思考的结果。我认为我们可以speak in Chinese by using English。
: 看看屁歪的网站，多少人纠结这类问题。有要和国内切割的，有以身为中国人为耻的，
: 有认为要让孩子彻底离开中国社区的。
: 另一边，大陆已经lock down 7亿人。谈论其中
: 的人道问题，已经是一种负担。
: 如果你熟悉历史，就知道在1919年，中国的语言是分裂的。胡适等人发明了今日的
: basic Chinese。
: ...................
I believed that tools would change people's mindset, in long term.
【 在 netghost (Up to Isomorphism) 的大作中提到: 】
: I can still call you a capitalist dog anyway and trying to get you killed or
: humiliated, lol. It is all about the education.
想太多了
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爱思考早觉醒 人人举报 变态辣椒 RebelPepper @remonwangxt
●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●
【 在 chebyshev (......) 的大作中提到: 】
: 华人如何确保自己的identity,又保证工作生活的需要，以及降低社区information
: pollution。这是个重要的问题。
: 现在不是岁月静好的时期了。信息带宽定生死的场景，对每个人来说都可能出现。
: 我的想法是深入思考的结果。我认为我们可以speak in Chinese by using English。
: 看看屁歪的网站，多少人纠结这类问题。有要和国内切割的，有以身为中国人为耻的，
: 有认为要让孩子彻底离开中国社区的。
: 另一边，大陆已经lock down 7亿人。谈论其中
: 的人道问题，已经是一种负担。
: 如果你熟悉历史，就知道在1919年，中国的语言是分裂的。胡适等人发明了今日的
: basic Chinese。
: ...................
Agree with you. Speaking whatever language, I have the feeling in the past
decade that a voice of overseas Chinese have been missing. Maybe, the
political and economic climate change will force us to created one. An
opportunity might be in front of us.
Just to spell it out loud, you are not asking for a change in personal
preference. You are asking for a movement, a new language movement that
takes participation from millions of people. If you only have a handful of
people in, it doesn’t help much. Might help at individual level, not the
community.
How does the movement gain its momentum? Thoughts? Ideas?
【 在 chebyshev(......) 的大作中提到: 】
: I believed that tools would change people's mindset, in long term.
: or
It was not a plan or thinking. I practiced.
【 在 ananpig (别瞅 变态辣椒 漫画的●○安安猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 想太多了
: ●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●
: 爱思考早觉醒 人人举报 变态辣椒 RebelPepper @remonwangxt
: ●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●○●
: http://imageshack.com/a/img921/1565/WE9lWb.png
Instead of asking or proposing any movement, I aim to meet the unavoidable
historical
trend by practice.
Tiny, but solid practice >>>>> useless proposal
萬物作焉而不辭. ----万物生长，不需要修辞。
Speak in Chinese by using English 一个月,零Basic Chinese,你就知道。
找工作版，那么多人见天都说烙印靠英语欺负老中。
我的问题是，那你的行动呢？行动力都是零？Soon or later,
很多人会回来练英语（除非脑子确实被新东方毁掉了。）
【 在 zuzi (过河卒) 的大作中提到: 】
: Agree with you. Speaking whatever language, I have the feeling in the past
: decade that a voice of overseas Chinese have been missing. Maybe, the
: political and economic climate change will force us to created one. An
: opportunity might be in front of us.
:
: Just to spell it out loud, you are not asking for a change in personal
: preference. You are asking for a movement, a new language movement that
: takes participation from millions of people. If you only have a handful of
: people in, it doesn’t help much. Might help at individual level, not the : community.
: ...................
自从疫情爆发之后，你就变得神神叨叨。
so we don't try to speak english as close as native speaker
we just mix some english vocabulary into daily chinese?
like japanese, hongkongese?
一直如此。^__^
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 自从疫情爆发之后，你就变得神神叨叨。
有点儿神秘主义。：）
【 在 littlebirds (dreamer) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一直如此。^__^
I think we just try to use English as normal people would, but inevitably we will invent our own dialect. Just like the phrases and expression invented on the internet, or a local dialect in any region. Once there’s a lot of
people participating, language will evolved as if it has its own life.
Gu has been talking about language a lot recently, often at philosophically level. Now it’s participation time. He doesn’t want to call it a movement and prefer to keep it personal. But I think the overseas Chinese community
will have to embrace the movement to survive.
【 在 zlltt(chinglish movement against 大外宣) 的大作中提到: 】
: so we don't try to speak english as close as native speaker
: we just mix some english vocabulary into daily chinese?
: like japanese, hongkongese?
故老做的寓言多呢， 有一年说是从此再也不来了， 和大家依依惜别，结果没过两天，缓过劲来不请自来了。
我还是认为用什么语言没啥分别，你没发言权，瞎bb就是讨人嫌， 你有话语权，大家
都顺着你的意思说，'高，高，实在是高'，这典故大家都知道吧， 翻译英文可怎么翻
呢？ high, high, you are really high.
古人云参谋不带长，放屁不响。意思就是说你没到那个位置，怎么说都不灵。 所以啊
，与其练公开演讲，不如练练互相吹捧的本事。 王朔那个电影，三替公司里面就有个
段子，葛优和王蓓走在街上见谁夸谁， 看见大妈‘您长得也就十八’， 看见服务员，‘说您是模特都有人信’，坐公交看见小偷， ‘瞧人这手，又白又嫩，一看就不像干
粗活的’。
[1]
I am not interested in persuading or even calling any people to do anything
. As I said, for human beings, the last inch of liberty is the capability
of creating language, or naming things in different way.
I would be more than happy if u are capable of speaking in your own way
without asking anybody’s instructions. If u could name things
creatively, I would like to applaud for u.
（ 中文里，这叫做：道可道，非常道。名可名，非常名。
无名天地之始，有名万物之母。）
Thus your comments are totally pointless and irreverent. I would say it
again: The topic of this post is experience sharing.
[2]
You may not understand how an evolution goal would be achieved without any
instructions. From my understanding,
天地运而无所积，故万物成。Historical movement disqualified and silence
people automatically
以前讲过，我本科发过遗传算法的论文，研究生发过干细胞分化和自组织的论文，这是真的。干细胞开始都是一样的，没有人给某个干细胞指令，让其成为脑细胞，或者心脏细胞。但是最后稳定的结构就出现了。without any difficult, I can simulate the logic of those type of self growing process on my cell phone。
[3]
Btw, as I remembered, I had never 依依惜别 with anybody. Since 1997, I have not intended to treat any ID as a people since they are all ID. What is the
point of 依依惜别？As to others, I treated all IDs as IDs, with great
respect.
【 在 magliner(magliner) 的大作中提到: 】
: 故老做的寓言多呢， 有一年说是从此再也不来了， 和大家依依惜别，结
果没过
两天，
: 缓过劲来不请自来了。
: 我还是认为用什么语言没啥分别，你没发言权，瞎bb就是讨人嫌， 你有
话语权
，大家
: 都顺着你的意思说，'高，高，实在是高'，这典故大家都知道吧， 翻译
英文可
怎么翻
: 呢？ high, high, you are really high.
: 古人云参谋不带长，放屁不响。意思就是说你没到那个位置，怎么说都不
灵。
所以啊
: ，与其练公开演讲，不如练练互相吹捧的本事。 王朔那个电影，三替公
司里面
就有个
: 段子，葛优和王蓓走在街上见谁夸谁， 看见大妈‘您长得也就十八
’， 看见服
务员，
: ‘说您是模特都有人信’，坐公交看见小偷， ‘瞧人这
手，又白又嫩，一看就
不像干
: 粗活的’。
天地运而不积，这些事会自动发生。哪里需要什么人出来call a movement 。出来call movement的多半都是言伪而辩之辈。
这叫做圣人不死，大乱不止。
胡适发明白话文运动，目的是消灭一批旧政治人物。让他们过期。（
就跟一个公司架构改用golang 一样。消灭掉的是写java的。）一百年过去，我认为他
失败了。
大象无形，所以不可阻挡。
瘟疫之下，能听懂各种类型英语的，自然生存率高。
懂语言运作规律的，自然用不着天天在网上匿名抱怨老印program manger。
【 在 zuzi(过河卒) 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: I think we just try to use English as normal people would, but
inevitably we
<br>: will invent our own dialect. Just like the phrases and
expression
invented
<br>: on the internet, or a local dialect in any region. Once there
:)
sharing is caring. Appreciate that you share your thoughts.
Whether it’s called upon, or it just happens naturally, I hope it happens.
And each individual’s change of behavior will transform the community.
【 在 guvest(我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: 天地运而不积，这些事会自动发生。哪里需要什么人出来call a movement 。出来call
: movement的多半都是言伪而辩之辈。
: 这叫做圣人不死，大乱不止。
: 胡适发明白话文运动，目的是消灭一批旧政治人物。让他们过期。（
: 就跟一个公司架构改用golang 一样。消灭掉的是写java的。）一百年过去，我
认为他
: 失败了。
: 大象无形，所以不可阻挡。
: 瘟疫之下，能听懂各种类型英语的，自然生存率高。
: 懂语言运作规律的，自然用不着天天在网上匿名抱怨老印program manger。
:
这次瘟疫，那么多各种灾难video，里面讲武汉方言的主角极少。是偶然的吗？
第一批专家说没证据人传人，第二批说可防可控。第三批说封城。专家的
共同点:说的都是普通话。
所以Chinese英语，不能是融入英语。美国自己的体系也一屁股债,
融入就是当韭菜。什么时候美国华人出现一波Chin-glish诗人，那么这件事就到下一阶段了。
Kobe Bryant说的是融入英语。我怀疑他的死因。
严格说他不是黑人篮球圈的。
【 在 zuzi (过河卒) 的大作中提到: 】
: :)
: sharing is caring. Appreciate that you share your thoughts.
: Whether it’s called upon, or it just happens naturally, I hope it happens.
: And each individual’s change of behavior will transform the community.
:
: 天地运而不积，这些事会自动发生。哪里需要什么人出来call a movement 。出
: 来call
:
: movement的多半都是言伪而辩之辈。
:
: 这叫做圣人不死，大乱不止。
:
: 胡适发明白话文运动，目的是消灭一批旧政治人物。让他们过期。（
:
: 就跟一个公司架构改用golang 一样。消灭掉的是写java的。）一百年过去，我
: ...................