有人说，床铺代表了美国社会最坏的一面；希拉里则代表了美国政府最坏的一面（ Trump represents the worst part of American society. Hillary represents the worst part of American government）这话不无道理。九十分钟的辩论看下来，感到 的只是黑暗和厌倦。床普是真小人，比希拉里说真话要多，但那股唯利是图不以为耻反以为荣的沾沾自喜让人厌恶；希拉里是伪君子，满口仁义道德，两面三刀的 嘴脸让人脊背发凉。这场辩论发生在著名的Sin City拉斯维加斯，人身攻击，互揭其短，弥天大谎，其中的黑暗丑恶让我真的想起了那部著名的电影”罪恶之城”。希拉里在三辩里没有犯大错，稳稳守住了领先优势。床普没能爆大料翻盘，几乎 锁定失败。但谁能说一定呢。还是二十天后见分晓吧。另外从商业角度来说，床普让自己和自己的品牌在全美全世界亮够了相，这是花多少钱都买不到的，作为商人，他已经有胜无败。
trump这次没有肯定地回复对大选结果是否接受，和上次的名言“'cause you'd be in jail”一样引起舆论大哗。我发现我的法制观念比美国人差多了，这两句话我都没有强烈感觉。上一次因为他一直在抨击hillary利用权势逃脱法律制裁，所以我对他那句名 言的解读就是我如果上台一定不会让你逃脱法律制裁，而不是媒体解读的独裁者对政治对手的压迫。这次同样也因为他一直说hillary没有成为总统竞选人的资格（他接受竞 选也可以理解为接受民意选出来的竞争对手，但个人对她的竞选资格持保留意见？），所以我对他这个“走着瞧”的解读也是就算对方赢，我个人也未必会从心里接受她。我的想法是就算不接受也只是个个人态度，而不是反抗竞选结果的实际违法行为。不过看起来美国人是觉得这样口头上不肯无条件接受竞选结果已经是违反民主社会的基础了。
Florida recount. That's what happened when none of the contestants are hitler-want-to-be and the voting were close.
There has been no (zero) evidence of large scale voter fraud for more than a hundred years in US. Trump's purpose is to incite voter intimidation and laying groundwork for violence. Most of his moves are straight out of Hitler's memoir.
I would be quite disappointed if he even get more than 30% of popular vote.
The election is only a few weeks away. The real statistic will come out and you will know soon enough who voted for her, I am pretty sure majority of them won't be 吃福利的.
Of course, you can still comfort yourself by saying all those information are false, only those that fit your imaginations are real.
You have the wishful thinking that a power hungry dictator-want-to-be like Trump will respect the separation of power.
Trump's comment on the judge already revealed what he thinks of judicial independence. Very early in the campaign, he already regarded US military as his private army. His current call for voter intimidation is along the same line of typical dictator behavior.
Sadly, I am not surprised that Chinese from mainland think Trump's open mic scandal and the situations described by those who come forward are only 下流话. What Clinton did in white house was about sex. Trump's behavior are about intimidation.
【 在 wuyueliuhuo (wuyueliuhuo) 的大作中提到: 】 You have the wishful thinking that a power hungry dictator-want-to-be like Trump will respect the separation of power. Trump's comment on the judge already revealed what he thinks of judicial independence. Very early in the campaign, he already regarded US military as his private army. His current call for voter intimidation is along the same line of typical dictator behavior. Sadly, I am not surprised that Chinese from mainland think Trump's open mic scandal and the situations described by those who come forward are only 下流 话. What Clinton did in white house was about sex. Trump's behavior are about intimidation. ...................
Most likely, The 当地华人群 you are in only have zero or first generation from mainland China.
The mob violence such as repeated violent attack on doctors, adult tantrums on airplanes in mainland China didn't occur in a vacuum. It is wishful thinking that only decent people came to US.
“ I am not surprised that Chinese from mainland think Trump's open mic scandal and the situations described by those who come forward are only 下流话. ” 中国人还要分个大陆来的？你是海岛来的吗？说说我想摸摸某个器官和把自己 某个器官塞女下属嘴里那个更 intimidating?
【 在 wuyueliuhuo (wuyueliuhuo) 的大作中提到: 】 You have the wishful thinking that a power hungry dictator-want-to-be like Trump will respect the separation of power. Trump's comment on the judge already revealed what he thinks of judicial independence. Very early in the campaign, he already regarded US military as his private army. His current call for voter intimidation is along the same line of typical dictator behavior. Sadly, I am not surprised that Chinese from mainland think Trump's open mic scandal and the situations described by those who come forward are only 下流 话. What Clinton did in white house was about sex. Trump's behavior are about intimidation. ...................
I never said “总统容易变成独裁者”. What I said is Trump is a dictator-want-to-be. If he really got elected, it would only take one Chinese spy case for him to label and his minions openly treat anyone with Chinese blood as Spies. And die hard fans like from US news board would be among the first to threw the stones to pledge their loyalty.
Sorry, I have no intention of posting in chinese here, not after those repeated filth threw out by some in chinese and promoted by the website owner, and the fake posts in chinese.
You asked the wrong person the question who are Chinese. You should ask those die hard Trump supporters. Or ask yourself why you immediately suspect that I am from Taiwan.
Clinton had an affair with an adult with consent. Trump's words and actions are directed randomly to women in general in ambush without consent. The same kind of bullying tactic he constantly exhibited. If you can't see the difference, your reading of 政治和历史 won't help either.
【 在 qingshi601 (青石村) 的大作中提到: 】 我觉得你应该多看看美国的政治和历史，“总统容易变成独裁者”的认识会有改变。另 外提个小小建议，中文网站用中文发贴行吗？你的英文也需要改进一下。 “ I am not surprised that Chinese from mainland think Trump's open mic scandal and the situations described by those who come forward are only 下流 话. ” 中国人还要分个大陆来的？你是海岛来的吗？说说我想摸摸某个器官和把自己 某个器官塞女下属嘴里那个更 intimidating? as same mic
【 在 wuyueliuhuo (wuyueliuhuo) 的大作中提到: 】 I never said “总统容易变成独裁者”. What I said is Trump is a dictator- want -to-be. If he really got elected, it would only take one Chinese spy case : for him to label and his minions openly treat anyone with Chinese blood as Spies. And die hard fans like from US news board would be among the first to threw the stones to pledge their loyalty. Sorry, I have no intention of posting in chinese here, not after those repeated filth threw out by some in chinese and promoted by the website owner, and the fake posts in chinese. You asked the wrong person the question who are Chinese. You should ask those die hard Trump supporters. Or ask yourself why you immediately suspect ...................
【 在 wuyueliuhuo (wuyueliuhuo) 的大作中提到: 】 I never said “总统容易变成独裁者”. What I said is Trump is a dictator- want -to-be. If he really got elected, it would only take one Chinese spy case : for him to label and his minions openly treat anyone with Chinese blood as Spies. And die hard fans like from US news board would be among the first to threw the stones to pledge their loyalty. Sorry, I have no intention of posting in chinese here, not after those repeated filth threw out by some in chinese and promoted by the website owner, and the fake posts in chinese. You asked the wrong person the question who are Chinese. You should ask those die hard Trump supporters. Or ask yourself why you immediately suspect ...................
床普在大选中落后希拉里,在辩论中并未表现出能扭转颓势的“惊人之举”：在大法官
选择、难民、债务等问题上观点鲜明地阐述了让自己加分的主张；面对希拉里对其尊重妇女的指责时巧妙把议题转移到邮件门。但在希拉里质问他是否谴责俄国普金试图操控美国大选时表现得犹豫不决，反复强调“我又不认识普金”---言下之意是我没有和俄国
合谋，但也间接承认俄国是想影响大选让自己上台。又说普金这样干是因为当前政府太蠢。要知道俄国从来不是美国的朋友，支持床普绝对是从自己的利益出发。要让美国人去
选一个自己敌人支持的人当总统吗？这个逻辑说不通。
在回应自己不交联邦税和购买非法进口的中国钢材的问题上，床普的论调是“我干了，但是希拉里你是当国务卿当参议员的当权派，能让我得逞是你的失职没有堵住政策上的漏洞，所以你过去不作为将来也当不好总统。”这有点像小偷去质问反扒队员的资质，我能偷那么多东西全怪你业务水平太差。这个奇葩逻辑，床普辩中屡屡提及，难道不会长个教训？
又比如在非法移民问题上，床普指出包容非法移民是对大量排队的守法移民的不公，这是非常对路的说法。但面对希拉里驱逐非法移民不“人道”的职责时，又去扯当前奥八马政府实际上已经驱逐了几百万非移，这个显得有点思路不清---这不是正合你的主张
吗？当前政府是对还是错？
比起上面屡见不鲜的失误，这位大嘴对于主持人Chris Wallace是否接受大选结果的回
答更让人大跌眼镜。Chris提问之前已经说了美国是个民主的国家，总统候选人是不是
要接受民选的结果。床普的回答是“我们走着瞧”。等于明示他不准备接受希拉里当选总统的结果。公众的解读会是对民主的蔑视。床普的解释会是希拉里本身就是罪犯不能当总统，民主党操纵选举，会作弊导致结果不公正所以不能接受。这个解释的对错先放在一边不说，还没有正式投票，就先为自己的失败埋下伏笔，这是心虚的表现，表明你已经认为自己会输，战役尚未打响，主将已在言败，这是个泄气的蠢招。再说了，你床普认为希拉里是罪犯不具备竞选资格就应该一开始就拒绝和她竞选，不是到后来露出愿赌不服输的流氓相，这还怎么争取摇摆选民？看到这里笔者不禁长叹一声：大嘴就是大嘴，自我毁灭的预测还是准的。
反观希拉里，在所有的问题上显得有备而来，侃侃而谈，用词严密。有时候太严密了，背讲稿的痕迹明显，显得假和做作。在很多问题上描绘出”美妙前景“，比如非法移民问题，“要接纳非移但要驱逐其中的坏人”；难民问题，“要接受更多的难民入境但要拒绝其中的恐怖分子”。听上去不错，但实践中怎样落实呢？这种又要马儿跑又要马儿不吃草的事说说容易但基本不可能实施。也许希拉里也根本没有真心要实施吧，忽悠了选民再说。在邮件门上床普很成功地举了一个四星将军的列子，干了类似但情节轻得多的事，被撤职法办，希拉里为什么没事？我有个同事的弟弟在国土安全局（DHS)工作，说在他们局，别说用自己的私人服务器，员工把自己的手机带进办公室都是禁止的。希拉里能够脱身反而来竞选总统，唯一的原因就是她是别人动不了大佬！“人人平等”又体现在哪里？希拉里对床铺的责问的回答是“床普一向不尊重妇女”。这种无耻的顾左右而言它，在笔者看，比床普要抓住女人身体某个部位的谈话还要下流！可惜床普没有抓住机会穷追猛打。面对床铺对希拉里基金的大金主包括沙特等处死同性恋者和妇女地位极低的国家的质问（收钱时怎么不考虑同性恋和妇女权利了？），希拉里也是无言以对岔开话题，显得很心虚。
希拉里在辩论中指责俄国操纵选举支持床普；床普面对失败总是认为自己被人设局陷害（Rigged),尤其是在举例从总统决定核发射到按动核按钮只有四分钟时间，让床普这样不稳定的人掌管这样的权利是多么危险时无疑是成功的。还是那句话，论耍嘴皮子玩技巧，床普远不是对手，特别他自己还是一身小辫子让人随便一抓一大把。我太太是很感性的人，看了一点辩论，说“希拉里太凶了，从她的眼神里就能看出来她不可能对任何人好，包括妇女！床普嘛，你别提了！“她咂咂嘴不说话。
有人说，床铺代表了美国社会最坏的一面；希拉里则代表了美国政府最坏的一面（
Trump represents the worst part of American society. Hillary represents the worst part of American government）这话不无道理。九十分钟的辩论看下来，感到
的只是黑暗和厌倦。床普是真小人，比希拉里说真话要多，但那股唯利是图不以为耻反以为荣的沾沾自喜让人厌恶；希拉里是伪君子，满口仁义道德，两面三刀的
嘴脸让人脊背发凉。这场辩论发生在著名的Sin City拉斯维加斯，人身攻击，互揭其短，弥天大谎，其中的黑暗丑恶让我真的想起了那部著名的电影”罪恶之城”。希拉里在三辩里没有犯大错，稳稳守住了领先优势。床普没能爆大料翻盘，几乎
锁定失败。但谁能说一定呢。还是二十天后见分晓吧。另外从商业角度来说，床普让自己和自己的品牌在全美全世界亮够了相，这是花多少钱都买不到的，作为商人，他已经有胜无败。
2016 驴象之辩（二）川普扳回一城 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/32289533.html
2016 驴象之辩（一）http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/32209221.html
hillary具体，政务不如hillary熟悉。但hillary实在是冠冕圆滑得让人心生讨厌。
trump这次没有肯定地回复对大选结果是否接受，和上次的名言“'cause you'd be in jail”一样引起舆论大哗。我发现我的法制观念比美国人差多了，这两句话我都没有强烈感觉。上一次因为他一直在抨击hillary利用权势逃脱法律制裁，所以我对他那句名
言的解读就是我如果上台一定不会让你逃脱法律制裁，而不是媒体解读的独裁者对政治对手的压迫。这次同样也因为他一直说hillary没有成为总统竞选人的资格（他接受竞
选也可以理解为接受民意选出来的竞争对手，但个人对她的竞选资格持保留意见？），所以我对他这个“走着瞧”的解读也是就算对方赢，我个人也未必会从心里接受她。我的想法是就算不接受也只是个个人态度，而不是反抗竞选结果的实际违法行为。不过看起来美国人是觉得这样口头上不肯无条件接受竞选结果已经是违反民主社会的基础了。
trump没有言词犀利是事实，但对于撒谎眼都不眨的希拉里来说你没有文明的对付方法。
lz思维受无耻左派媒体影响较大，可惜了这个蓝鲸老乡
主流媒体不要脸， 他说不入流的媒体连不要脸的资格都没有。 关键是要有自己的脑子。
的人就知道他的原意不是那样。
当然他就是嘴贱，昨天晚上那句话说的不好，直接说“如果选举过程合法公平，没有
rigged就接受”，然后说hillary一个罪犯能竞选总统，system rigged, blah blah。
现在被抓住了把柄。业余的和职业的没法比啊。
他嘴大，hillary比他嘴还大，昨天居然把美国核反应4分钟说出来，五角大楼气坏了
：D
这个应该不是强项，但同时给很多人的感觉不是政客，所以有那么多人支持他，在选举中不一定是坏事。
1.戈尔和希拉里当年也没有接受；
2.移民问题没有逻辑问题，非法移民对合法移民不公平；希拉里打人道牌，川普扯巴马表达有问题，这个是law，不过那会有点忙于防守想躲开这个标签，比较混乱；
3.至于普金的问题也许回答的不是很清楚，不过你的观点其实是自由心证，比较先入为主；
4.钢铁问题是希拉里故意胡搅蛮缠，川普是个商人不是官员，他那个时候不用中国的钢铁才是傻子，而希拉里那个时候是参议员而毫无作为却来指责川普，他的意思很明显是各司其职。希拉里一直想把所有东西搅浑，包括税收也是。
你的这些解释，从挺川的角度都有道理说得通。 除了第三点。 但是辩论的目的是什么？ 不就是争取中间派？ 铁杆床轮西粉都不会因此而改变主张。 老床实在太不能辩，
看了这些中间派不会投他。
这次选举基本上没有中间派，真正的中间派恰恰都会去做research。从你的文章和用词看来你应该是倾向希拉里的。
还哑巴吃黄连有苦说不出。
没有中间摇摆派这个我不信，现在双方撕来撕去都是为了摇摆选票。死忠们的信念是不会改变的。
另外主流媒体的事情也很有意思。我现在很偏左或者很偏右的媒体都尽量不看。主流媒体不代表民意是最近被提得很多的一个话题。那为什么还叫它们”主流“媒体呢？民意到底在哪里？
我对trump印象最好的地方是他直言夸hillary永不放弃的战斗精神。对他的其他言论没有对hillary的抵触和反感，但他这个人让人不放心。
不过这应该不是乌衣巷那种老街坊
我还见过有华人刚到美国一年，英文基本不懂，社会也不了解，所有的大选消息都来自微信华人买卖提之类，还成为最激进的铁杆川粉希粉。这次大选，我的最深体会之一就是大众太容易被忽悠，断章取义被洗脑屡见不鲜。其实我这样说，又怎么保证自己没被洗脑哪？还是让历史来说明比较准
期待奔字……
至上诉高院等手段。如果有令人信服的证据，比如出现红衣投票人在现场压倒多数而选票结果却是少数。照现在右派的热情，创普已经具备了号召右派大罢工的能力，游行示威，美国人的忍耐能力远没有中国人强，处理不好的话内战也不无可能。所以左派需要掂量掂量，如果有猫腻，你的结果是否能经得起人工点票等一系列复查手段，你索罗斯买下选票机公司控制五十个州的选举计票工作，谁知道程序里有什么鬼，你搞对冲基金怎么对选票机公司那么感兴趣。这就是创普说那番话的意思，增加他们作弊的难度。
hitler-want-to-be and the voting were close.
There has been no (zero) evidence of large scale voter fraud for more than a hundred years in US. Trump's purpose is to incite voter intimidation and
laying groundwork for violence. Most of his moves are straight out of Hitler's memoir.
I would be quite disappointed if he even get more than 30% of popular vote.
为主， 她的选票是吃福利的为主， 很清楚谁来为她的政府买单。
的中间派肯定会自己主动研究。
今年很有意思的一件事情是所有的主流媒体一边倒的打击川普，很多共和党大佬也倒戈相向，这是很值得思考的一个现象。这个版的人比较喜欢读书思考，今年的大选其实很值得观察和思考。
多华人今年如此力度的原因，我个人对小孩并没有爬藤的想法，不过我也不希望他长大因为这个原因失去应该有的机会，这对他们明显不公平；2.难民对社会安全的影响;3.
非法移民大赦。老中可能还有一个上厕所的问题。
昨天听salvage说85%纳税的人支持川普。很多铁杆说话确实可能不是那么好
听,不过网上真真假假谁知道呢，成熟会思考的人不会因为这个改变自己的看法。
只能当笑话听。
在你们这些政客制定的不公平贸易规则下，如果我不这么干，可能已经破产了。
俄罗斯阴谋论也容易批驳：直接指出希拉里主导美国出售20%铀给俄罗斯，然后
foundation接受了1.45亿美元来路可疑的捐款。http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0
trump身边的智囊不给力。
能够听到竟然有政客能分清合法移民和非法移民，还是很欣慰的，可惜多半赢不了。
的忧患。
对于床普，我个人在反恐，移民，难民，枪权等反面都赞同他的主张。但是他的不可预测性和民粹倾向也是很大的问题。相比这些来说，什么说说下流话之类都是小节。比尔克林顿在白宫办公室和女实习生BJ美国人民都原谅了，说说grab Pussy算个啥！但是如果大家看过GOP的集会，就会感到其实作为外来人的恐惧和悲哀。Make American greatagain,American First是主调。别以为自己拿了篮皮护照在这儿扎下根来了，在那帮人眼里，你还是外人，甚至你在这里出生的孩子也是外人。床普的Tracking record,说明他是个唯利是图的商人，为了利益可以不要规则，他答应你的这些，谁能保证会履行诺言？让这样的人掌握核按钮吗？确实有点危险。
them won't be 吃福利的.
Of course, you can still comfort yourself by saying all those information
are false, only those that fit your imaginations are real.
至于核按钮无论如何也比放在一个随时发病晕倒的人手里强，实际上核按钮也不是那么容易按的。
我个人认为我们华人老是把自己当外人的心态其实不好，不是一定要出头，但也不能永远做吃瓜群众。 有些事情不是怕就能解决的，必须要面对，kimmel和peter liang的事情已经证明了这一点，当然这是一个长远过程。
现在看辩论，希拉里给他下个套他就钻，要是当了总统，有国外对手给他下个套他也钻，美国玄了。
Trump will respect the separation of power.
Trump's comment on the judge already revealed what he thinks of judicial
independence. Very early in the campaign, he already regarded US military as his private army. His current call for voter intimidation is along the same line of typical dictator behavior.
Sadly, I am not surprised that Chinese from mainland think Trump's open mic scandal and the situations described by those who come forward are only 下流话. What Clinton did in white house was about sex. Trump's behavior are
about intimidation.
这楼里之前画风都挺正常和气的，当个泼脏水的小丑有意思？屏蔽插件又要多加一个id了
最后还忍不住暴露了私货，Chinese from mainland，LMAO
from mainland China.
The mob violence such as repeated violent attack on doctors, adult tantrums on airplanes in
mainland China didn't occur in a vacuum. It is wishful thinking that only
decent people came to US.
“ I am not surprised that Chinese from mainland think Trump's open mic
scandal and the situations described by those who come forward are only 下流话. ” 中国人还要分个大陆来的？你是海岛来的吗？说说我想摸摸某个器官和把自己
某个器官塞女下属嘴里那个更 intimidating?
Based on what I observed on mitbbs, the sensitivity level to English is a
direct correlation to the fanatic tendency.
Guess I hit a nail on the head with the Chinese from mainland. Truth hurts.
回他的贴脏了我的手了。
for him to label and his minions openly treat anyone
with Chinese blood as Spies. And die hard fans like from US news board would be among the first to threw the stones to pledge their loyalty.
Sorry, I have no intention of posting in chinese here, not after those
repeated filth threw out by some in chinese and promoted by the website
owner, and the fake posts in chinese.
You asked the wrong person the question who are Chinese. You should ask
those die hard Trump supporters. Or ask yourself why you immediately suspect that I am from Taiwan.
Clinton had an affair with an adult with consent. Trump's words and actions are directed randomly to women in general in ambush without consent. The
same kind of bullying tactic he constantly exhibited. If you can't see the
difference, your reading of 政治和历史 won't help either.
Well, as long as it makes you feel better.
你提到的间谍就更不成立了，著名的李文和案子就克林顿主党的杰作，再往前是民主党搞得麦肯锡主义迫害华裔科学家，代表人物钱学森，再往前是排华法案。
别人不把你当“内人”， 这是从现实来看。