这是一个见过诺兰，然后在panel上问过问题的人的回答 Ok, here's the deal. I talked to Chris himself @ last night's Memento 10th anniversary Q+A. He said that he never heard of Excessif, but he heard of Paprika, and was interested in seeing it, especially when I brought up that Kon mentioned TDK before he died. He also added that he had a similar experience with an entertainment rag where he mentioned five films off the top of his head, just for fun, and they then automatically wrote them as official favorites of his. Anyway, Guillermo Del Toro was moderating the panel, and he gave props to Kon, so that was cool enough for me.
这个他在采访里也说到过。。 There’s one I discuss in the book, where this one planet—Miller’s planet, the same one so close to Gargantua—has these giant ocean waves that threaten the crew. I don’t use this word in the book, but the waves appear to be solitons, solitary waves. They don’t break, and they are probably coming in from a region where the water is somewhat deeper. One possible explanation for them is that they are similar to tidal bores that can run up the long, gentle channels of rivers with the rising of a tide.
As I describe in the book, I imagine this planet is tidally locked, keeping the same face toward the black hole so that tidal forces don’t rip it apart. But it hasn’t been tidally locked for all that long, it was deposited in its orbit relatively recently, so it’s actually wobbling back and forth slightly relative to the tidal-locking position, and as a result huge tides are created in the ocean at the planet’s surface. And these tidal forces are so great that they create the huge waves you see in the film. The fortuitous thing is, in the film’s dialogue we learn these waves come about one hour apart from each other. It just happens to turn out that the planet’s period of oscillation back and forth to make such big waves in the first place also needs to be one hour. I have to confess I didn’t realize this until after the waves’ size and hour-long period was set in stone in the script.
这个他在采访里也说到过。。 There’s one I discuss in the book, where this one planet—Miller’s planet, the same one so close to Gargantua—has these giant ocean waves that threaten the crew. I don’t use this word in the book, but the waves appear to be solitons, solitary waves. They don’t break, and they are probably coming in from a region where the water is somewhat deeper. One possible explanation for them is that they are similar to tidal bores that can run up the long, gentle channels of rivers with the rising of a tide.
As I describe in the book, I imagine this planet is tidally locked, keeping the same face toward the black hole so that tidal forces don’t rip it apart. But it hasn’t been tidally locked for all that long, it was deposited in its orbit relatively recently, so it’s actually wobbling back and forth slightly relative to the tidal-locking position, and as a result huge tides are created in the ocean at the planet’s surface. And these tidal forces are so great that they create the huge waves you see in the film. The fortuitous thing is, in the film’s dialogue we learn these waves come about one hour apart from each other. It just happens to turn out that the planet’s period of oscillation back and forth to make such big waves in the first place also needs to be one hour. I have to confess I didn’t realize this until after the waves’ size and hour-long period was set in stone in the script.
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立意是不一样，但是镜头和创意抄了就是抄了，没得洗
我还特地去看了。。一个是1981版的，一个是改自1981的2009
1981里说是洪水。。不是海啸。。然后海啸就类似于涨潮，但是是夸张的涨潮。。
那个miller's planet是全是水。。还有，其实interstellar与其说是chris的太空尝试，不如说是kip和他的另一半的思想产物，他们有了这个想法才找了jonah来讨论能不能行，到最后他们意识到这个电影要是拍一定是要很多钱，paramount对于这种大制作可能只相信几个导演，在kip和chris老婆聊过以后chris对这个电影感兴趣才开始准备拍。。
与其说interstellar是诺兰的作品，不如说是kip的愿望。。
人癌症晚期快死了跟你打官司？
老日漫粉了
🛋️ 沙发板凳
构思完全不一样，红辣椒更像是精神分析类电影，盗梦这个点不是红辣椒想出来的，说到抄袭也就第一个分镜而已，也做了改变，红辣椒是打破镜子看到一片新的空间，盗梦空间是利用了镜子中的空间无限重叠，第二三个怕是能找出几十个相似的
哈哈，可笑的是诺兰说他没看过 红辣椒
现在洗的姿势这么牛逼了，你把镜头分开来谈，一个镜头跟其他某个电影一样，可能很正常，但是一部电影这么多镜头跟另一部动画构图几乎都一样，还能洗?
a电影里面，一个镜头像b电影，另一个镜头像c电影，这可能没啥。但是如果a电影里几个地方镜头跟d电影里几个镜头几乎一样，还能说这种话?
诺兰：我没有看过《红辣椒》
诺兰抄袭还是很深，不过今敏是不是借用约翰福特三教父作为模板。
诺兰：我没看过红辣椒，不认识今敏
天下文章一大抄，看你会抄不会抄…今敏的东京教父能看得出来是三教父为模板的，不过他一直也没否认，而且还日常推崇福特…说白了这个圈里说致敬再气也没办法说什么，但是不承认这事就有点low了（看看达伦那波，黑天鹅和梦之安魂曲，直接直言自己是致敬，让今敏无话可说）
荒野大镖客应该也没人不知道是抄的了吧…天皇自己下场骂过
听说抄袭了我特地去看了红辣椒说实话没看懂，分镜确实有相似，红辣椒有点意识流，盗梦空间就是商业大片。爱情公寓还是算了完全汉化版。
同样听说抄袭看了红辣椒，确实是两个方向，但场景和分镜有抄袭感觉。
诺兰：我都不认识今敏…
盗梦空间和星际穿越这两部口碑最好的都有抄袭嫌疑，星际穿越对2001的模仿痕迹还有点重，所以我觉得其实敦刻尔克才是诺兰最被低估的作品
听说星际不是和哆啦A梦有一集一样，也是玉米地和穿越的剧情
敦刻尔克算是诺兰在结构上玩的最花的了
街上很多人不知道吧，甚至都不知道用心棒是什么
达伦是真抄，说是致敬也是抄。
跟红辣椒比的话 盗梦空间还是往后稍稍吧 今敏是不世出的天才
但诺兰不大气，昆汀直接说我那他妈不是致敬就是抄袭……你拍的好大家都夸你有才，你遮遮掩掩的大家说你这不就抄了吗
其实还想提街上动不动就大吹特吹的星际穿越。可能他们没看过多啦a梦。。
毕竟用心棒不算天皇特别代表的了，但是荒野大镖客是莱昂内的代表…估计就是因为这个原因吧
他确实是真抄，不过人家一直吼着是致敬，靠这手子操作，今敏也没法说啥
这分镜就是抄了没得
合着你考试抄隔壁女同学几道题就不算抄了 非得全卷抄才算抄？
今敏真告了，达伦也真赔钱了，虽然就是一个镜头，也并不是没法子说啥。
合着你在人家的基础上改了一下就不算抄袭了
不是光说没看过 是在之前接受采访的时候说知道今敏看过作品，然后盗梦火了之后转头说没看过红辣椒前后矛盾了……
说抄袭的大多没看过 红辣椒。从立意和艺术手法根本不是一类的作品
主要是告了赢了，然后后面黑天鹅继续抄，然后继续说致敬（达伦真是老抄手了，老融梗王）
抄袭就像怀孕，你不能说只有一点点
应该是，提到黑泽明基本还是七武士，罗生门为主
约翰福特真厉害，那么多牛导推崇，还是黑泽明的偶像，结果没几个人提起他。
群众：诺兰的
公知：那不是，是发扬光大，懂么
福特年代更老了，不是专业学电影的，不读电影史，很难真的去看，尤其是又没有多少高清修复资源…不像那个年代的导演，他们的青春就是福特
其实很多东西拿过来用，都没关系。
但直接说自己没看过红辣椒真是不要脸。
盗梦空间肯定是抄啦，还要人说星际穿越也是抄袭的。
黑天鹅都被喷的出来道歉了。。诺兰不就是欺负盗梦出来时今敏死了吗，抄就抄了，说一下致敬也不会死。采访里面还理直气壮的说不知道红辣椒这部作品，要脸吗
说没抄袭的大多没看过 红辣椒。从立意和艺术手法根本不是一类的作品🐶
是的，就是不要脸，而且之前他说看过的，后来被问抄袭问题，他说没看过
黑天鹅是被今敏喷了才出来说致敬的吧，一开始一直说是原创。。
今敏都跑去质问了，然后达伦继续说是致敬（波兰斯基甚至也想捶死达伦）
照你这么说来，爱情公寓最起码也汉化了🐕
抄袭哆啦A梦啊
这么多镜头？你再给我找几个看看？第二个构图都能说一样。人云亦云的。
还真没看过
这一方面昆汀就牛逼多了，当时有人说昆汀致敬，昆汀就说什么致敬，我就是在抄袭，格局境界高出很多，业界对昆汀和诺兰的态度也很能反映问题
不会真有人没看过哆啦A梦吧？
昆汀那口子坦荡劲是属实nb
如果说星际穿越 那个玉米枯萎和巨浪星球勉强可以算通用科幻设定的话(老实说很牵强。。。巨浪行星这种，我看到的科幻不多，但是也就知道这两个。，玉米枯萎这个更罕见)
红辣椒这种呢，梦里+走廊+追逐+走廊变形，甚至空间改变。。。恐怖片里走廊很常见，但是用科幻桥段来接这个走廊，诺兰前也就是今敏了吧。。
先是说致敬，然后今敏一死，诺兰立马改口，称没有看过红辣椒
照你这么说，我把盗梦空间某个片段改一下，让你觉得构思不一样就不算抄袭了？
你挺可爱的。。
福特，永远滴神！
红辣椒要是有爱情公寓1/10的大众热度，早就把盗梦空间锤死
这是某个片段？这压根是两个不一样的故事，我打赌你绝对没看过这两部电影。你说徐峥夜店、人囧是抄的那没问题。这两个电影沾了点创意都算一样的话，那所有的穿越剧都是互相抄袭了。
星际穿越就是个大杂烩，危机原因抄袭《哆啦A梦》，科学原理部分抄袭《超时空接触》，感情内核或者说煽情部分抄袭《冰冻战士》（年轻父亲和老朽女儿相见的桥段）。
盗梦空间肯定有借鉴红辣椒，毋庸置疑。之前我读一本很早的科幻小说《神经漫游者》，看到用音乐唤醒的设定，瞬间想到盗梦空间，十分确定诺兰绝对读过这本书，估计这本书是盗梦空间的灵感根源。
我倒觉得诺兰真的很天才，东拼西凑愣是能凑出经典
分镜有如此高的雷同度，而同时诺兰说“没有看过红辣椒”，我更倾向诺兰说谎，至于说谎的目的，不得而知。
这是一个见过诺兰，然后在panel上问过问题的人的回答
Ok, here's the deal. I talked to Chris himself @ last night's Memento 10th anniversary Q+A. He said that he never heard of Excessif, but he heard of Paprika, and was interested in seeing it, especially when I brought up that Kon mentioned TDK before he died. He also added that he had a similar experience with an entertainment rag where he mentioned five films off the top of his head, just for fun, and they then automatically wrote them as official favorites of his. Anyway, Guillermo Del Toro was moderating the panel, and he gave props to Kon, so that was cool enough for me.
意思就是他说没看过，但是听过paprika，很有兴趣去看，只不过有个媒体自己说成了他灵感来源于paprika，最先说诺兰灵感来源于paprika的媒体是excessif，
原来链接是这个http://www.excessif.com/cinema/actu-cinema/dossiers/inception-par-christopher-nolan-interview-references-indices-5926972-760.html
现在看不到了，诺兰也说自己没听过这个媒体
他又说之前有采访让他立马说出他最先想到5个电影，他就说了五个说着玩，结果被当成他最喜欢的5个电影来报道。。
而且我觉得吧，真的没必要抄了说没抄，毕竟借鉴灵感也没啥，而且这么的相似。。除非诺兰真的很在乎他自己的原创性，所以我们看看诺兰是不是惯犯之类的，如果不是就给他benefit of the doubt（不知道怎么对应中文。。）
但是他说听过红辣椒和金敏，他还想看呢
然后金敏好像还提到TDK之类的
这个巨浪星，是水被引力影响了一部分高一部分低的模样，所以浪是不动的
kip在书里都写过很多设定，the science of interstellar
这个他在采访里也说到过。。
There’s one I discuss in the book, where this one planet—Miller’s planet, the same one so close to Gargantua—has these giant ocean waves that threaten the crew. I don’t use this word in the book, but the waves appear to be solitons, solitary waves. They don’t break, and they are probably coming in from a region where the water is somewhat deeper. One possible explanation for them is that they are similar to tidal bores that can run up the long, gentle channels of rivers with the rising of a tide.
As I describe in the book, I imagine this planet is tidally locked, keeping the same face toward the black hole so that tidal forces don’t rip it apart. But it hasn’t been tidally locked for all that long, it was deposited in its orbit relatively recently, so it’s actually wobbling back and forth slightly relative to the tidal-locking position, and as a result huge tides are created in the ocean at the planet’s surface. And these tidal forces are so great that they create the huge waves you see in the film. The fortuitous thing is, in the film’s dialogue we learn these waves come about one hour apart from each other. It just happens to turn out that the planet’s period of oscillation back and forth to make such big waves in the first place also needs to be one hour. I have to confess I didn’t realize this until after the waves’ size and hour-long period was set in stone in the script.
还有走廊不是变形，是外面的梦失重了，里面的梦就失重了
自己去查，盗梦上映金敏死没死，最烦不去自己核实，人云亦云的
盗梦空间剧本是他自己
星际穿越剧本是他弟弟，看来俩人都不干净啊
人胰腺癌晚期，片子上映人都快死了，以后能不能你自己去查一下？
今敏的梦里，地毯变形只是走廊空间发生变化的开始。。。。而盗梦直接就是走廊空间发生变化里，当然都是在梦里。
巨浪星那个，就视觉呈现出的内容来看，和多啦A梦几乎一致啊，设定当然不会相同啦，相同那就是明抄了。。。。
莫非倭人与我暗合否？
真的震撼到我了，第一次看红辣椒和千年女优，真的大牛一个
再给你推荐一个未麻的部屋
这部我看不下去😢不是很喜欢
结尾挺超神的哈哈
哈哈，我境界不够，确实欣赏不来这部。