Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
Sigh, go to sleep now~~~ Hopefully, most people in this post will show some sympathy for him not just kidding about his Niu or Not Niu~~~ Schools are really nothing compared to a lot of things in life ~~~
以下是引用vikihu在1/15/2011 2:14:00 AM的发言: Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
Sigh, go to sleep now~~~ Hopefully, most people in this post will show some sympathy for him not just kidding about his Niu or Not Niu~~~ Schools are really nothing compared to a lot of things in life ~~~
以下是引用vikihu在1/15/2011 2:14:00 AM的发言: Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
以下是引用vikihu在1/15/2011 2:14:00 AM的发言: Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
一个人挣扎了23年,被父母赶出来,再也不信任任何人,completely lonely on this planet,死对他是种解脱。这孩子已经很理智了,他考虑了母亲的感受,也不想因为他的存在伤害其他人。我不知道他的父母是怎样的人,似乎从来没有赢得孩子的信赖,信仰高于一切,有这种偏执的信仰真是可怕。 另外,我不知道有多少人去跟心理医生交谈过,我只见过一个,所以不能以偏概全,但是见过这样一个医生之后,就像这个孩子所说的,他们给不了任何建设性的建议,我决定从此之后不再浪费我的时间和感情,所有的事情最终都要靠自己的坚强挺过来。 祝愿他在天堂过的好!
一个人挣扎了23年,被父母赶出来,再也不信任任何人,completely lonely on this planet,死对他是种解脱。这孩子已经很理智了,他考虑了母亲的感受,也不想因为他的存在伤害其他人。我不知道他的父母是怎样的人,似乎从来没有赢得孩子的信赖,信仰高于一切,有这种偏执的信仰真是可怕。 另外,我不知道有多少人去跟心理医生交谈过,我只见过一个,所以不能以偏概全,但是见过这样一个医生之后,就像这个孩子所说的,他们给不了任何建设性的建议,我决定从此之后不再浪费我的时间和感情,所有的事情最终都要靠自己的坚强挺过来。 祝愿他在天堂过的好!
一个人挣扎了23年,被父母赶出来,再也不信任任何人,completely lonely on this planet,死对他是种解脱。这孩子已经很理智了,他考虑了母亲的感受,也不想因为他的存在伤害其他人。我不知道他的父母是怎样的人,似乎从来没有赢得孩子的信赖,信仰高于一切,有这种偏执的信仰真是可怕。 另外,我不知道有多少人去跟心理医生交谈过,我只见过一个,所以不能以偏概全,但是见过这样一个医生之后,就像这个孩子所说的,他们给不了任何建设性的建议,我决定从此之后不再浪费我的时间和感情,所有的事情最终都要靠自己的坚强挺过来。 祝愿他在天堂过的好!
I read his suicide note too, felt so sorry for him. Some people were dealt a bad hand by god, he said, so powerlessly. That reminds me of shawshank, Andy said that, bad luck is just like a gush of wind and I happened to be in it's way. Poor guy. May he rest in peace!
幼儿园可能是church的幼儿园吗?
好可怜...
太发紫了~~~~~
Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
re...pathetic。。这事儿放任何人身上都顶不住,如果自暴自弃把darkness发泄出来,可能活得还久些,这么好好学习天天向上只会使得那些darkness越来越幽闭在自己内心,崩溃是早晚的事儿。宗教是用来爱人而不是逼死人的。。。
bless
设身处地的想了一下,如果我是他,可能我会花钱找几个人把那个人强暴了,至少也是揍一顿,然后脱光了扔在外面,也许这样会帮助自己relief the pain.
哎,那得有钱才行,不然还被抓起来关到老里,被t-back欺负就更惨了。
他谈论的关于宗教的话题 很发人深省 要先爱人 如果不爱家人的话说什么都是扯淡
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普林斯顿计算机系高材生,幼儿园的时候被raped repeatedly,这个埋藏心底的秘密到他27岁周围的人(包括父母)都不知道……之后的每一天他都被这个阴影笼罩,真是太悲惨了........
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后来我想去上个厕所,那一层也就那一个厕所,结果一幼儿园老师拦着不让我进,说是里面有孩子在刷牙。。擦,刷牙和我上厕所有神马关系!我一女人难道还猥琐刷牙的女童?后来我等了十几分钟他们都搞掂了,然后那老师还瞟了我一眼才走。。我擦鄙视我不带这么明显的吧,还教小孩的呢,怪不得教出来都没几个正常的。。。
后来。。更扯的是。。bf见我上厕所那么久没回去,就寻思着去女厕门口等我。。结果我上完厕所出去看到他正无奈地被一群幼儿园老师"围攻",以为他对那些小孩图谋不轨。。。我。。。。。。彻底无语了
我算是见识到了,美国的儿童性侵得多严重才会搞成这样啊,真是太恶心了,那些猥琐孩子的人不得好死!!
(=_=也顺便提醒各位,如果不是去接娃儿的话不要靠近幼儿园,会被审视一番然后鄙视个遍的。。)
R.I.P
Sigh, go to sleep now~~~ Hopefully, most people in this post will show some sympathy for him not just kidding about his Niu or Not Niu~~~ Schools are really nothing compared to a lot of things in life ~~~
re
有娃的看好自己娃,没娃的看好自己!
bless 他的家人,RIP
看到这个话题我突然想起前端时间陪老妈去上immigrant的免费英语课,他们的教学楼同一层里还有一个幼儿园。。
后来我想去上个厕所,那一层也就那一个厕所,结果一幼儿园老师拦着不让我进,说是里面有孩子在刷牙。。擦,刷牙和我上厕所有神马关系!我一女人难道还猥琐刷牙的女童?后来我等了十几分钟他们都搞掂了,然后那老师还瞟了我一眼才走。。我擦鄙视我不带这么明显的吧,还教小孩的呢,怪不得教出来都没几个正常的。。。
后来。。更扯的是。。bf见我上厕所那么久没回去,就寻思着去女厕门口等我。。结果我上完厕所出去看到他正无奈地被一群幼儿园老师"围攻",以为他对那些小孩图谋不轨。。。我。。。。。。彻底无语了
我算是见识到了,美国的儿童性侵得多严重才会搞成这样啊,真是太恶心了,那些猥琐孩子的人不得好死!!
(=_=也顺便提醒各位,如果不是去接娃儿的话不要靠近幼儿园,会被审视一番然后鄙视个遍的。。)
其实中国也很多,死活不肯说罢了,不敢跟父母说,更没有心理医生可以倾诉。
以下是引用teddysan在1/15/2011 3:37:00 PM的发言:
看到这个话题我突然想起前端时间陪老妈去上immigrant的免费英语课,他们的教学楼同一层里还有一个幼儿园。。
后来我想去上个厕所,那一层也就那一个厕所,结果一幼儿园老师拦着不让我进,说是里面有孩子在刷牙。。擦,刷牙和我上厕所有神马关系!我一女人难道还猥琐刷牙的女童?后来我等了十几分钟他们都搞掂了,然后那老师还瞟了我一眼才走。。我擦鄙视我不带这么明显的吧,还教小孩的呢,怪不得教出来都没几个正常的。。。
后来。。更扯的是。。bf见我上厕所那么久没回去,就寻思着去女厕门口等我。。结果我上完厕所出去看到他正无奈地被一群幼儿园老师"围攻",以为他对那些小孩图谋不轨。。。我。。。。。。彻底无语了
我算是见识到了,美国的儿童性侵得多严重才会搞成这样啊,真是太恶心了,那些猥琐孩子的人不得好死!!
(=_=也顺便提醒各位,如果不是去接娃儿的话不要靠近幼儿园,会被审视一番然后鄙视个遍的。。)
哎,那得有钱才行,不然还被抓起来关到老里,被t-back欺负就更惨了。
他毕业了肯定不会缺钱的。而且说实话,我怀疑那个人敢不敢去告发,性侵儿童可比打一顿要严重多了。像他这种受害者,即使被抓了,如果以前没有犯罪史,又是事出有因,不会被送到关t-bag那个级别的犯人的监狱里去的。
看后来。。更扯的是。。bf见我上厕所那么久没回去,就寻思着去女厕门口等我。。结果我上完厕所出去看到他正无奈地被一群幼儿园老师"围攻",以为他对那些小孩图谋不轨。。。我。。。。。。彻底无语了
我算是见识到了,美国的儿童性侵得多严重才会搞成这样啊,真是太恶心了,那些猥琐孩子的人不得好死!!
(=_=也顺便提醒各位,如果不是去接娃儿的话不要靠近幼儿园,会被审视一番然后鄙视个遍的。。)
这个得记住了!!
我觉得严一点好
严一点肯定比较好,但反过来想,一个问题刚出现的时候一般很少人会去关注,但当同一个问题不停出现并越来越严重以后人们就不得不去关注了。。
我觉得美国的儿童性侵就是这种状态,已经到了非常严重的地步导致幼儿园老师都不得不草木皆兵了,真可怕啊。。。
严一点肯定比较好,但反过来想,一个问题刚出现的时候一般很少人会去关注,但当同一个问题不停出现并越来越严重以后人们就不得不去关注了。。
我觉得美国的儿童性侵就是这种状态,已经到了非常严重的地步导致幼儿园老师都不得不草木皆兵了,真可怕啊。。。
中国潜在的不知道怎么样,特别是大农村. 曾经看过tianya有个帖子问童年隐秘往事,
很多人回贴被骚扰过,很多还是亲戚,当然情节可能不重,不过也够触目惊心的了
他毕业了肯定不会缺钱的。而且说实话,我怀疑那个人敢不敢去告发,性侵儿童可比打一顿要严重多了。像他这种受害者,即使被抓了,如果以前没有犯罪史,又是事出有因,不会被送到关t-bag那个级别的犯人的监狱里去的。
他后来过的越好,童年的经历就越不可能想让别人知道。两者的不可调和越来越大。他可能觉得永远都摆脱不了过去过上自己希望的生活,才绝望的。
对过去他想的不是复仇,更想忘掉。复仇会又揭开伤疤。
RIP!
为什么不把那只狼公开出来!?不要让它逃脱应有的惩罚!
这个不是男生吗?我有点不明白,男生怎么会被。。。。。。。
难道你不知道男的和男的是怎么xxoo的么?
难道你不知道男的和男的是怎么xxoo的么?
这问题看得我菊花疼。。
他后来过的越好,童年的经历就越不可能想让别人知道。两者的不可调和越来越大。他可能觉得永远都摆脱不了过去过上自己希望的生活,才绝望的。
对过去他想的不是复仇,更想忘掉。复仇会又揭开伤疤。
选择忘掉显然不work嘛。
不过可能人和人不同,对于我来说,觉得曾经伤害过我的人受到应得的惩罚,这是让我get over最好的办法。
猜一下, 幼儿园里面除了老师还有可能是谁能做这种事情? 可怕可怕!
Sigh, Rest in peace..... Maybe it is a better place for him ~~~
这个孩子太可怜了。。。
Amy chua 那个 no sleepover 真是对的。希望他再天堂能摆脱痛苦。
re
中国潜在的不知道怎么样,特别是大农村. 曾经看过tianya有个帖子问童年隐秘往事,
很多人回贴被骚扰过,很多还是亲戚,当然情节可能不重,不过也够触目惊心的了
我以前在天涯一路同行版看过几个因为小时候被性侵然后长大后成为gay或者因为性向混淆而痛苦的人发的帖子。虽然说性向是天生的,但是这种后天所受的侵犯对人身心的伤害之大可能真是无法估算和预测的。
这个孩子太可怜太可怜了。期望那个变态一定被抓出来。期待更多的受害者站出来,或者至少是私下报警。
以下是引用greenflora在1/15/2011 4:34:00 PM的发言:
中国潜在的不知道怎么样,特别是大农村. 曾经看过tianya有个帖子问童年隐秘往事,
很多人回贴被骚扰过,很多还是亲戚,当然情节可能不重,不过也够触目惊心的了
还好小时候没遇过这种事.......
不明白,遗书中为什么不干脆揭露性侵他的人呢
NND, 很可能就是熟人,不想破坏或者打扰它的家人了
这个孩子太可怜了
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NND, 很可能就是熟人,不想破坏或者打扰它的家人了
这个孩子太可怜了
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肯定是熟人,否则根本不会知道人家的名字啊。猜测要不就是幼儿园老师,要不就是教会里的人。。。后者可能性更大
恋童癖都去屎!!!!!!!!!
Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
4岁,was raped repeatedly, 他父母居然一点没察觉到。
之后这么多年生活在darkness中,他父母也什么都没做,只是在他19岁的时候把他赶出家门因为不肯每周去church 7小时。
Sigh, go to sleep now~~~ Hopefully, most people in this post will show some sympathy for him not just kidding about his Niu or Not Niu~~~ Schools are really nothing compared to a lot of things in life ~~~
强Re
NND, 很可能就是熟人,不想破坏或者打扰它的家人了
这个孩子太可怜了
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唉,应该揭露出来的,因为这种恋童癖是病,靠自控是很难停手的,而且会越来越升级,如果是幼儿园或教堂的人,不知道还有多少小孩将来要遭毒手
Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
我顶你这个
人的心理承受能力
唉,应该揭露出来的,因为这种恋童癖是病,靠自控是很难停手的,而且会越来越升级,如果是幼儿园或教堂的人,不知道还有多少小孩将来要遭毒手
Re,美国的神父性侵儿童案太多了,这里有个long list:http://reformation.com/
发现1/3的都是这个孩子父母这种教会的:251 "Bible" Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)
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Gee.... I really feel sorry for him. I actually read his suicide note, very carefully. I can only say that he had suffered a lot during his 27 years of life. He was raped repeatedly as a 4-year old kid, I totally understand the huge negative impact on his life. For a person with his experience, I don't blame him and definitely wouldn't call him a coward~~~
But I do blame his parents for bad parenting. If you read his notes, his parents are fundamentalist Christians who take religion very seriously and narrowly. I do feel that his life would be much better if his parents can see him as a SON, not an unsaved person who is doomed for Hell~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How can some people "love" God so much that they hate their own child.........
re. RIP!!
rip.
以下是引用 oceanblue 的发言:
是的。我仔细的读了,一字一句都让我感觉到他的痛。个人认为他的父母对这个孩子短暂的一生里的痛苦负大部分的责任。
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太想不开了,bless...
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另外,我不知道有多少人去跟心理医生交谈过,我只见过一个,所以不能以偏概全,但是见过这样一个医生之后,就像这个孩子所说的,他们给不了任何建设性的建议,我决定从此之后不再浪费我的时间和感情,所有的事情最终都要靠自己的坚强挺过来。
祝愿他在天堂过的好!
我想知道他父母干什么去了,小孩性格孤僻难道他们也不闻不问的吗
一个人挣扎了23年,被父母赶出来,再也不信任任何人,completely lonely on this planet,死对他是种解脱。这孩子已经很理智了,他考虑了母亲的感受,也不想因为他的存在伤害其他人。我不知道他的父母是怎样的人,似乎从来没有赢得孩子的信赖,信仰高于一切,有这种偏执的信仰真是可怕。
另外,我不知道有多少人去跟心理医生交谈过,我只见过一个,所以不能以偏概全,但是见过这样一个医生之后,就像这个孩子所说的,他们给不了任何建设性的建议,我决定从此之后不再浪费我的时间和感情,所有的事情最终都要靠自己的坚强挺过来。
祝愿他在天堂过的好!
这点我太同意了,我在非常depress的时候见过2个,都很失望,一个是在我很痛苦的讲了30分钟以后,问我,你的sneaker很漂亮,那里买的?还有一个直接给我开药,吃了以后,看东西都是丛影。还收了我几十块钱。从此以后再也不相信心理医生了
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一个人挣扎了23年,被父母赶出来,再也不信任任何人,completely lonely on this planet,死对他是种解脱。这孩子已经很理智了,他考虑了母亲的感受,也不想因为他的存在伤害其他人。我不知道他的父母是怎样的人,似乎从来没有赢得孩子的信赖,信仰高于一切,有这种偏执的信仰真是可怕。
另外,我不知道有多少人去跟心理医生交谈过,我只见过一个,所以不能以偏概全,但是见过这样一个医生之后,就像这个孩子所说的,他们给不了任何建设性的建议,我决定从此之后不再浪费我的时间和感情,所有的事情最终都要靠自己的坚强挺过来。
祝愿他在天堂过的好!
re。。。希望他安息
RIP。。。。。
遗书看了一半没看完,太长了
我想知道他父母干什么去了,小孩性格孤僻难道他们也不闻不问的吗
Bill不是天生的孤僻小孩,他是post-rape的心理创伤的受害人。
http://metatalk.metafilter.com/20205/RIP-Bill-Zeller
RIP!
为什么不把那只狼公开出来!?不要让它逃脱应有的惩罚!
"I doubt the word of a dead guy with no evidence about something that
happened over twenty years ago would have much sway," Zeller wrote.
唉,应该揭露出来的,因为这种恋童癖是病,靠自控是很难停手的,而且会越来越升级,如果是幼儿园或教堂的人,不知道还有多少小孩将来要遭毒手
walmart门口贴的那些个找丢失的孩子的广告,上面的小孩子估计都是被这些变态拐走了,这些人真该千刀万剐阿
把遗书读完了,好难过。。。
看到这个话题我突然想起前端时间陪老妈去上immigrant的免费英语课,他们的教学楼同一层里还有一个幼儿园。。
后来我想去上个厕所,那一层也就那一个厕所,结果一幼儿园老师拦着不让我进,说是里面有孩子在刷牙。。擦,刷牙和我上厕所有神马关系!我一女人难道还猥琐刷牙的女童?后来我等了十几分钟他们都搞掂了,然后那老师还瞟了我一眼才走。。我擦鄙视我不带这么明显的吧,还教小孩的呢,怪不得教出来都没几个正常的。。。
后来。。更扯的是。。bf见我上厕所那么久没回去,就寻思着去女厕门口等我。。结果我上完厕所出去看到他正无奈地被一群幼儿园老师"围攻",以为他对那些小孩图谋不轨。。。我。。。。。。彻底无语了
我算是见识到了,美国的儿童性侵得多严重才会搞成这样啊,真是太恶心了,那些猥琐孩子的人不得好死!!
(=_=也顺便提醒各位,如果不是去接娃儿的话不要靠近幼儿园,会被审视一番然后鄙视个遍的。。)
mm的描述好好笑。。那啥,我听我们组的美国同学说,他们很小上daycare的时候老师就教他们要防范人身之类的了,比如好像过了几岁就不能让爸爸给洗澡之类的。。
一个Bill的朋友,写了一篇纪念他的文章,下面的回复很多写得很好。
http://metatalk.metafilter.com/20205/RIP-Bill-Zeller
唉,哭, 有些人真的写的很好啊。