But I think to change 医疗系统高收费低效率 is the key to 全民计划. We have a bad medical system, if the system doesn't change, it cannot sustain just by charging more money from the middle class.
But I think to change 医疗系统高收费低效率 is the key to 全民计划. We have a bad medical system, if the system doesn't change, it cannot sustain just by charging more money from the middle class.
I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
I have a lot of doctors/nurses friends, 99% of them hates the new plan.
I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
身体不好, does this include alcoholics and people uses illegal drugs too? they don't want to work, not they cannot work.
I met a doctor at a friend's party. He said some people had connections with some doctors. They don't work so they have medicaid. They get prescription pain medications, they take some of medication themselves and sell the rest of them illegally to be their income.
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!! The insurance companies need have good rates from providers (hospital, physicians) to get a better premium for insureds. If there is no insurance company, doctors can ask for as high as they can for a treatment. I really do not understand your points!!!! [此贴子已经被作者于2010/8/25 15:28:21编辑过]
if you are willing to support those who don't want to work, I am sure you are happy to support people like lots of us who works really hard. Would you take over our health insurance payments?
if you are willing to support those who don't want to work, I am sure you are happy to support people like lots of us who works really hard. Would you take over our health insurance payments?
Also, IT IS BY LAW THAT a person who goes to physicians without an insurance can ask for the highest rate from insurance companies. Not like you said, twice more than the insured-- if that happened, that uninsured did not know that LAW!!!!
身体不好, does this include alcoholics and people uses illegal drugs too? they don't want to work, not they cannot work.
I met a doctor at a friend's party. He said some people had connections with some doctors. They don't work so they have medicaid. They get prescription pain medications, they take some of medication themselves and sell the rest of them illegally to be their income.
This is absolutely true. One attending told me that some patients do not want to get better no matter how hard you try to help them, so they can get welfare and disability claim. This is not uncommon in rehab department.
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!! The insurance companies need have good rates from providers (hospital, physicians) to get a better premium for insureds. If there is no insurance company, doctors can ask for as high as they can for a treatment. I really do not understand your points!!!! [此贴子已经被作者于2010/8/25 15:28:21编辑过]
A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it. It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K by performing foot amputation. Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%. In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
where is your 爱心 now? Now you are saying that you are just kidding? You did not even mean it when you said you were willing to use your 爱心 to support 黑人. I will have to ignore your comments from now on.
A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it. It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K. Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%. In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
[此贴子已经被作者于2010/8/25 15:35:33编辑过] In the fight of providers and insurance companies, no one wins. And this fight was triggered by O8.
A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it. It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K. Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%. In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
where is your 爱心 now? Now you are saying that you are just kidding? You did not even mean it when you said you were willing to use your 爱心 to support 黑人. I will have to ignore your comments from now on.
A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it. It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K. Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%. In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
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It is the exact reason that more good doctors start not to accept insurance, and only provide service receipt for patient's reimbursement. The clinic office I worked do the same thing.
电话号码是？我不要他秘书的秘书的秘书的电话
等那天人家民主党给你打电话让你捐钱的时候，说明你的贡献很大啦，这时候你的心声就能传达到08的耳里了〉
说说看你这位公民咋需要帮助乐。。。咱好好分析分析
人家已经拿到好处了，你不满意，哼哼。
哈哈 我知道那些收入30万以上受很大影响的人，也没说什么。人家还是照样选的o8。很多时候别想着顾自己小家，要有点社会道德心。别喊着让republican上台，等他们上台搞经济，你们只有等着哭的份了
也不看看现在多少人没有工作，丢了饭碗，不医改这些人怎么看医生？ 失点自己的小钱，造福一些人。顾自己的家不错，如果大环境都差掉了，你自己的小家也不会好到哪里去，到时候是不是还要开始抱怨 ：世道好乱啊，到处讨饭的，车被抢，人被砸。
也别说现在就辞职去做低收入家庭，都是嘴上说说。日子照样过，心里不平衡，那就去想想没有工作的人，内心是不是就平衡了..
民主党上台搞经济，大家也没笑出来啊。经济有自己的规律。
人家已经拿到好处了，你不满意，哼哼。
我担心我没帮到真需要帮助得，尽给钱藏床底下血拼比我还狠得浪费了
而且还说句实话，现在你有工作，是middle
class.你买的起保险，觉得是别人用了你的税，但是谁保证那一天，你会失业，特别是50多岁的时候，那个时候，ssn还不能领，工作基本不可能找到新
的，保险那么贵，怎么买。这个不是空穴来风，去年美国药厂lay off了多少R
&D,很多ph.d一辈子都在那个site工作，50多岁了，更本不可能找到相应的工作，还有一大家子要养，保险有特别贵。那才是一辈子白干了
呢。
我认识很多挺有名的教授，他们都是至少十几，20几w的年薪，他们都觉得这个health plan是一个great thing,我觉得他们才是有大胸怀的人
我周围的教授也是这样的看法，他们自己的子女有的失业的时候，看病还是挺麻烦的。
看看我从别的楼里给你们抄来的....不是俺一个的想法。
我周围的老板 同事工资很高，今年扣税扣很多，但是都是支持这个health plan.周围失业的也不少，至少看病还能去看。
这点就值得肯定。
等那天人家民主党给你打电话让你捐钱的时候，说明你的贡献很大啦，这时候你的心声就能传达到08的耳里了〉
你这道我们公司做一个什么系统吗，就是把群众给congressmen/women/senators的邮件都filter一遍，然后按照其中的keywords，发个generic的回信，然后archive了。谁真care你说的狗屁话。
你这道我们公司做一个什么系统吗，就是把群众给congressmen/women/senators的邮件都filter一遍，然后按照其中的keywords，发个generic的回信，然后archive了。谁真care你说的狗屁话。
妈呀 跟你开玩笑，你还当真问我了....我的神！
我周围的教授也是这样的看法，他们自己的子女有的失业的时候，看病还是挺麻烦的。
看看我从别的楼里给你们抄来的....不是俺一个的想法。
原来你是aeolous的mj
这是不是意味着我家旁边那个政府补助的apt前面草坪将会有更多人搬个凳子从早聊到晚?
你跟我住一个区? 我们这是打电话从早聊到晚．
原来你是aeolous的mj
难怪说话一个腔调呢。
切～～～
互帮互助, 社会主义好
现在的Insurance我看改得挺好的，现在dependent子女可以cover到26岁，都不用是full-time student也可以。经济差，好多毕业的都找不到工作，这样一来可以让年轻人至少医疗上有保障。
就是好像鼓励啃老族了... 医改要全面地看，长远的看，我是支持universal healthcare的。只要执行的好，更多人受益。你们看到的都是那些不努力白吃白喝的人，但是也要看看那些努力了都没有办法温饱的人，这样的人也很多。
只要income没有达到27万以上，影响不大。有钱可以去找付费好的医院，没钱的也有地方看病，各取所需
I dont think if you really work hard in US, you cannot support your life!
I dont think if you really work hard in US, you cannot support your life!
我也总相信这么个理。但是事实就是这么残忍。你是没看到那么惨的人，所以你觉得不可思议。我见过，然后就觉得没有那么不可思议了。
身体不好，没钱看医生，工作找不到，就算找到工作，身体不好也干不成，没有医保，这就进入一个循环了。如果有医保，身体看好，找到工作，能把工作做好做长。至少给这样的人群提供一个机会。
唉不多说了，大家心疼钱也是应该的，我们自己的税也收高了，但是还是要看看那些社会底层的人，有些时候不是一家过好，万事兴。
我也总相信这么个理。但是事实就是这么残忍。你是没看到那么惨的人，所以你觉得不可思议。我见过，然后就觉得没有那么不可思议了。
身体不好，没钱看医生，工作找不到，就算找到工作，身体不好也干不成，没有医保，这就进入一个循环了。如果有医保，身体看好，找到工作，能把工作做好做长。至少给这样的人群提供一个机会。
唉不多说了，大家心疼钱也是应该的，我们自己的税也收高了，但是还是要看看那些社会底层的人，有些时候不是一家过好，万事兴。
所以应该增加工作机会 发展经济 而不是打劫已经工作的人
所以应该增加工作机会 发展经济 而不是打劫已经工作的人
晕啊~ 身体不好，如何工作呀？ 工作机会多了，也干不了。
你觉得好是因为你家账单没涨50％而已。。。
50%
晕啊~ 身体不好，如何工作呀？ 工作机会多了，也干不了。
他们身体好了就工作了？倒是这么收下去 中产每天心情不好 到时候再身体不好再工作不好再不工作了。。。。。。 千鸟在望不如一鸟在手啊
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他们身体好了就工作了？倒是这么收下去 中产每天心情不好 到时候再身体不好再工作不好再不工作了。。。。。。 千鸟在望不如一鸟在手啊
不要把所有人都想得那么坏。就像我们，怎么可能就不去工作，光吃救济。就算心里再不平衡，还是要上班挣钱。你要成天想着被别人白吃白喝，你心情不好到身体不好，那真是说明这人也太想不开了。何必呢？心宽一点，把人不要想得那么坏。
我税还收多了呢，我想着同事家刚毕业的小孩生病还能去医院看，我觉得挺心宽的。
懒人有的是，跟懒人过不去，想自己也变成懒人，那真是你自己的事了，不用拿上来愤恨了。
身强体壮，4肢发达，有工作不做，有人养，有撒不好？ 是不？ 没有这个plan 美国穷人也不见死光～
咱说得不是同一类人~~ 打回去重新看看
多谢！
我在医院工作过，大多数的年轻医生和医学生多support 08的全民计划，虽然他们会被收重税。我觉得一个发达的社会要做到的是，孩子有学上，生病有医看，老了有房住。就像几百年前，只有富人的孩子才能上学，而现在每个人都能去上学，没有人认为那是不公平的。版上的妹妹们没有看到过很多人在40左右，生病，失业，没保险，而医生有时只能靠药厂的donation才能给药。
But I think to change 医疗系统高收费低效率 is the key to 全民计划. We have a bad medical system, if the system doesn't change, it cannot sustain just by charging more money from the middle class.
我在医院工作过，大多数的年轻医生和医学生多support 08的全民计划，虽然他们会被收重税。我觉得一个发达的社会要做到的是，孩子有学上，生病有医看，老了有房住。就像几百年前，只有富人的孩子才能上学，而现在每个人都能去上学，没有人认为那是不公平的。版上的妹妹们没有看到过很多人在40左右，生病，失业，没保险，而医生有时只能靠药厂的donation才能给药。
Do they also support lower doctors fee? Or like Canada set a limit to doctors' income?
我在医院工作过，大多数的年轻医生和医学生多support 08的全民计划，虽然他们会被收重税。我觉得一个发达的社会要做到的是，孩子有学上，生病有医看，老了有房住。就像几百年前，只有富人的孩子才能上学，而现在每个人都能去上学，没有人认为那是不公平的。版上的妹妹们没有看到过很多人在40左右，生病，失业，没保险，而医生有时只能靠药厂的donation才能给药。
highly doubt it
不要把所有人都想得那么坏。就像我们，怎么可能就不去工作，光吃救济。就算心里再不平衡，还是要上班挣钱。你要成天想着被别人白吃白喝，你心情不好到身体不好，那真是说明这人也太想不开了。何必呢？心宽一点，把人不要想得那么坏。
我税还收多了呢，我想着同事家刚毕业的小孩生病还能去医院看，我觉得挺心宽的。
懒人有的是，跟懒人过不去，想自己也变成懒人，那真是你自己的事了，不用拿上来愤恨了。
不是我想的 是的确这种人很多
美国的垃圾黑人还少么？
你半夜去黑人区么？你要是把人想的好你为啥不去？
被人无故收钱养懒人你心情要是还好就叫没心没肺了
身强体壮，4肢发达，有工作不做，有人养，有撒不好？ 是不？ 没有这个plan 美国穷人也不见死光～
agree
咱说得不是同一类人~~ 打回去重新看看
他说的这类人无疑比你说的要多多了
看来我真是福星，到哪哪就社会主义了
围观福星。。。。。。。。。
看了无数遍了。下个月就要改了。真的是降40% ...单身的降30% ...
看来我支持o8是正确的！！ 哈哈
same coverage or reduced coverage?
不是我想的 是的确这种人很多
美国的垃圾黑人还少么？
你半夜去黑人区么？你要是把人想的好你为啥不去？
被人无故收钱养懒人你心情要是还好就叫没心没肺了
无缘无故就被你冠上没心没肺的帽子了.....
整个看下来，我好像是最有心有肺的了，就算知道要被黑人白吃，我都愿意多缴税~~~
另外我问一下，我为什么要半夜去黑人区啊 ？？？ 从来没去过黑人区~~~有什么好玩的亚
highly doubt it
我和不少于20个residents or medical students 聊过，还有一些attending, 当然是他们问我们的看法先，然后再说他们自己的
看来我真是福星，到哪哪就社会主义了
无缘无故就被你冠上没心没肺的帽子了.....
整个看下来，我好像是最有心有肺的了，就算知道要被黑人白吃，我都愿意多缴税~~~
另外我问一下，我为什么要半夜去黑人区啊 ？？？ 从来没去过黑人区~~~有什么好玩的亚
你不是说不要把人想太坏么？既然你把他们想的挺好你去跟他们交流下呗
你愿意被收钱是你自己的事情 我们不愿意不行么？谁都必须要挨了打还叫好不成？
你不是说不要把人想太坏么？既然你把他们想的挺好你去跟他们交流下呗
你愿意被收钱是你自己的事情 我们不愿意不行么？谁都必须要挨了打还叫好不成？
你不是胡搅蛮缠嘛 .....我举的例子你是完全忽略哦
But I think to change 医疗系统高收费低效率 is the key to 全民计划. We have a bad medical system, if the system doesn't change, it cannot sustain just by charging more money from the middle class.
I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
看来我真是福星，到哪哪就社会主义了
你能去菲律宾一次吗？
你不是胡搅蛮缠嘛 .....我举的例子你是完全忽略哦
你care穷人多 没问题
我们care自己家比跟自己不相干的多 有钱宁可留着给小孩上好学校给爹妈买补品 OK？
你能去菲律宾一次吗？
你能去菲律宾一次吗？
要不周游世界一圈?
I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
I have a lot of doctors/nurses friends, 99% of them hates the new plan.
highly doubt it
re
08的全民计划通过后，年级大的医生都打算提前退休了。
医生被08宰的更狠。有政客直接说了，医生的好日子到头了，凭什么他们挣那么多。
re
08的全民计划通过后，年级大的医生都打算提前退休了。
医生被08宰的更狠。有政客直接说了，医生的好日子到头了，凭什么他们挣那么多。
MD钱都用于养垃圾了
虽然我也觉得医生收入太高 但是宁可把钱给医生 也比养那堆吃白食的好
准备钞票藏床底，买金条用。呵呵
俺是穷银，俺怕谁？ wudiyuyu支持俺
今晚挖洞去。。。。
我和不少于20个residents or medical students 聊过，还有一些attending, 当然是他们问我们的看法先，然后再说他们自己的
他们还没有自己工作过耶
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I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
这个并不是由于我们保险费交少了造成的，我们现在多出钱，也不能解决这个问题。
现在的结果就是：保险，医生，制药厂，还象以前一样，或者因为看病的人多了，更赚了。
根子不除，逼迫中产割肉，这个系统能维持多久？
I am totally agree with you about the bad medial system. High cost is not only caused by doctors' salary and many issues are involved, such as the high medical school cost , the malpractice lawsuit, the pharmaceutical company. That is a huge topic.
保险公司也是重点。我家亲戚是医生，他告诉我 没有保险的人去看病收费是拿了保险看病的两倍，保险公司压低医疗费，用的是不压低就不让人家在你这里用保险这招，人家医生也很无奈的。
所以啊，这里好多人讨论都讨论偏了，成天就抓着黑人劳模不放，不过现实生活中也不敢真正歧视人家，估计niger都不敢说出来。别说不屑说人家，我看大家都对黑人一肚子火呢，这里讨论得好起劲啊。
准备钞票藏床底，买金条用。呵呵
俺是穷银，俺怕谁？ wudiyuyu支持俺
米国不许个人拥有首饰以外的金子的, 金条还要藏在咱天朝.
米国不许个人拥有首饰以外的金子的, 金条还要藏在咱天朝.
really?
有source没？这样看来还不如中国呢。。。。这次回去想买个小佛戴 结果满眼都是投资金条。。。。
米国不许个人拥有首饰以外的金子的, 金条还要藏在咱天朝.
上钻石。
上钻石。
恩 直接跟非洲看齐
晕啊~ 身体不好，如何工作呀？ 工作机会多了，也干不了。
身体不好, does this include alcoholics and people uses illegal drugs too? they don't want to work, not they cannot work.
I met a doctor at a friend's party. He said some people had connections with some doctors. They don't work so they have medicaid. They get prescription pain medications, they take some of medication themselves and sell the rest of them illegally to be their income.
上钻石。
钻石不如黄金保值啊, 必须回天朝打几根500克重的项链了.
米国不许个人拥有首饰以外的金子的, 金条还要藏在咱天朝.
可以买gold ETF
保险公司也是重点。我家亲戚是医生，他告诉我 没有保险的人去看病收费是拿了保险看病的两倍，保险公司压低医疗费，用的是不压低就不让人家在你这里用保险这招，人家医生也很无奈的。
所以啊，这里好多人讨论都讨论偏了，成天就抓着黑人劳模不放，不过现实生活中也不敢真正歧视人家，估计niger都不敢说出来。别说不屑说人家，我看大家都对黑人一肚子火呢，这里讨论得好起劲啊。
大家讨论的是歧视不劳而获吃大家税收的人
并不因为他是黑人还是白人还是黄人有区别
但是不可否认黑人和劳模比较多
但是没办法 人家在美国是爷啊 没看到连白人的气都短了么
保险公司也是重点。我家亲戚是医生，他告诉我 没有保险的人去看病收费是拿了保险看病的两倍，保险公司压低医疗费，用的是不压低就不让人家在你这里用保险这招，人家医生也很无奈的。
所以啊，这里好多人讨论都讨论偏了，成天就抓着黑人劳模不放，不过现实生活中也不敢真正歧视人家，估计niger都不敢说出来。别说不屑说人家，我看大家都对黑人一肚子火呢，这里讨论得好起劲啊。
我们不歧视任何人。我们就是不想用自己的辛苦钱养他们。
钻石不如黄金保值啊, 必须回天朝打几根500克重的项链了.
一斤？？？？？？？
钻石不如黄金保值啊, 必须回天朝打几根500克重的项链了.
500克重的项链太沉了
保险公司也是重点。我家亲戚是医生，他告诉我 没有保险的人去看病收费是拿了保险看病的两倍，保险公司压低医疗费，用的是不压低就不让人家在你这里用保险这招，人家医生也很无奈的。
所以啊，这里好多人讨论都讨论偏了，成天就抓着黑人劳模不放，不过现实生活中也不敢真正歧视人家，估计niger都不敢说出来。别说不屑说人家，我看大家都对黑人一肚子火呢，这里讨论得好起劲啊。
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!! The insurance companies need have good rates from providers (hospital, physicians) to get a better premium for insureds. If there is no insurance company, doctors can ask for as high as they can for a treatment. I really do not understand your points!!!!
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大家讨论的是歧视不劳而获吃大家税收的人
并不因为他是黑人还是白人还是黄人有区别
但是不可否认黑人和劳模比较多
但是没办法 人家在美国是爷啊 没看到连白人的气都短了么
我说的也不是你说得那类人，你老拿那类人来跟我搞糨糊~~~
可以买gold ETF
不成啊, 咱没资产的, 很穷很穷的.
无缘无故就被你冠上没心没肺的帽子了.....
整个看下来，我好像是最有心有肺的了，就算知道要被黑人白吃，我都愿意多缴税~~~
另外我问一下，我为什么要半夜去黑人区啊 ？？？ 从来没去过黑人区~~~有什么好玩的亚
if you are willing to support those who don't want to work, I am sure you are happy to support people like lots of us who works really hard. Would you take over our health insurance payments?
藏保险箱滴，反正上有政策，咱们下有对策嘛
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08的全民计划通过后，年级大的医生都打算提前退休了。
医生被08宰的更狠。有政客直接说了，医生的好日子到头了，凭什么他们挣那么多。
我接触的都是没开始工作的准医生，而且在很liberal 的州。取样也很小范围。
我向来不认为医生应该挣那么多，学医并不需要很多talent and innovation, just need hard work and good communication skill.
我说的也不是你说得那类人，你老拿那类人来跟我搞糨糊~~~
你说的是哪类人不重要 重要的是我说的这类人存在且不少 这是个fact 不是把脑袋埋沙子里就解决了的
if you are willing to support those who don't want to work, I am sure you are happy to support people like lots of us who works really hard. Would you take over our health insurance payments?
看看我前面正儿八经时候说得话， 你找的这明明就是开玩笑的话来找碴儿~~
保险公司也是重点。我家亲戚是医生，他告诉我 没有保险的人去看病收费是拿了保险看病的两倍，保险公司压低医疗费，用的是不压低就不让人家在你这里用保险这招，人家医生也很无奈的。
所以啊，这里好多人讨论都讨论偏了，成天就抓着黑人劳模不放，不过现实生活中也不敢真正歧视人家，估计niger都不敢说出来。别说不屑说人家，我看大家都对黑人一肚子火呢，这里讨论得好起劲啊。
orz,估计你敢所以你保险费降下来了
藏保险箱滴，反正上有政策，咱们下有对策嘛
有爱心咋了，我还就真的看到周边人失业了，没保险，日子很痛苦，你要真失业，你就应该感激一下版上姐们们Insurance升了50%，来照顾失业人群了。
保险公司也是重点。我家亲戚是医生，他告诉我 没有保险的人去看病收费是拿了保险看病的两倍，保险公司压低医疗费，用的是不压低就不让人家在你这里用保险这招，人家医生也很无奈的。
所以啊，这里好多人讨论都讨论偏了，成天就抓着黑人劳模不放，不过现实生活中也不敢真正歧视人家，估计niger都不敢说出来。别说不屑说人家，我看大家都对黑人一肚子火呢，这里讨论得好起劲啊。
Also, IT IS BY LAW THAT a person who goes to physicians without an insurance can ask for the highest rate from insurance companies. Not like you said, twice more than the insured-- if that happened, that uninsured did not know that LAW!!!!
有爱心咋了，我还就真的看到周边人失业了，没保险，日子很痛苦，你要真失业，你就应该感激一下版上姐们们Insurance升了50%，来照顾失业人群了。
但是他的失业MS不是我们造成的 为毛要我们买单？
他们身体好了就工作了？倒是这么收下去 中产每天心情不好 到时候再身体不好再工作不好再不工作了。。。。。。 千鸟在望不如一鸟在手啊
他们身体好了就来跟中产抢工作了
身体不好, does this include alcoholics and people uses illegal drugs too? they don't want to work, not they cannot work.
I met a doctor at a friend's party. He said some people had connections with some doctors. They don't work so they have medicaid. They get prescription pain medications, they take some of medication themselves and sell the rest of them illegally to be their income.
This is absolutely true. One attending told me that some patients do not want to get better no matter how hard you try to help them, so they can get welfare and disability claim. This is not uncommon in rehab department.
他们身体好了就来跟中产抢工作了
这还是有一定难度的 一帮上学就知道刻药的人coding？
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!! The insurance companies need have good rates from providers (hospital, physicians) to get a better premium for insureds. If there is no insurance company, doctors can ask for as high as they can for a treatment. I really do not understand your points!!!!
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A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it.
It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K by performing foot amputation.
Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%.
In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
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我在医院工作过，大多数的年轻医生和医学生多support 08的全民计划，虽然他们会被收重税。我觉得一个发达的社会要做到的是，孩子有学上，生病有医看，老了有房住。就像几百年前，只有富人的孩子才能上学，而现在每个人都能去上学，没有人认为那是不公平的。版上的妹妹们没有看到过很多人在40左右，生病，失业，没保险，而医生有时只能靠药厂的donation才能给药。
让医院，医生看病的时候少收点阿，上趟医院就好几千出去了。低保户当然无所谓，反正他们也没credit 而言，我们这些中产不交钱，就送collection company,天天给我们打骚扰电话
看看我前面正儿八经时候说得话， 你找的这明明就是开玩笑的话来找碴儿~~
where is your 爱心 now? Now you are saying that you are just kidding? You did not even mean it when you said you were willing to use your 爱心 to support 黑人. I will have to ignore your comments from now on.
A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it.
It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K.
Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%.
In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
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In the fight of providers and insurance companies, no one wins. And this fight was triggered by O8.
A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it.
It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K.
Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%.
In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
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终于有明白人出来了
medcaid,medicare reimbursement 已经很低了
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但是他的失业MS不是我们造成的 为毛要我们买单？
你这句话要mark一下。
相信版上不少失业的mm和正在找工作的mm, 给美国人打工被layoff被飞也是经常的事，不是你造成的但是你有一天或许也会有处境困难的时候。
一个人不光有自身价值，你社会价值也要有。相信这点道理你应该懂吧。不是光会coding就行的
where is your 爱心 now? Now you are saying that you are just kidding? You did not even mean it when you said you were willing to use your 爱心 to support 黑人. I will have to ignore your comments from now on.
oh pls.
你这句话要mark一下。
相信版上不少失业的mm和正在找工作的mm, 给美国人打工被layoff被飞也是经常的事，不是你造成的但是你有一天或许也会有处境困难的时候。
一个人不光有自身价值，你社会价值也要有。相信这点道理你应该懂吧。不是光会coding就行的
这是两码事 解决这个的方法也很简单 查工作记录规定比如一直不工作的就不能吃别人的税 但是为什么不这么做呢？因为人家是爷
一个人当然要发挥社会价值 有的人就是没有社会价值又要消耗别人的社会价值大家才不爽啊
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A surgeon is left with $200 for many surgical procedures from insurance these days. Medicaid is worse. You won't believe it.
It was the famous Obama foot amputation example. He thought the surgeon would be paid $1K.
Since 2007, an average doctor's reimbursement has been slashed by at least 50%.
In terms of financial, a surgeon will be better off cutting a tree rather than food amputation.
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It is the exact reason that more good doctors start not to accept insurance, and only provide service receipt for patient's reimbursement. The clinic office I worked do the same thing.
谁让你做中产，你活该！
做了中产，还不分点福利跟我们这些穷人，你没爱心，你怎么那么自私，你咋就不能把银行里的钱拿出来大家共享呐？
虽然你们也不是出生什么富贵家庭，也很辛苦的读书，毕业后，很辛苦的才找到工作，还要努力工作，才能过一个普通中产的生活。
虽然，我们穷人读书不好好读，毕不了业，找不到工作，用drug 多身体也不好，但是你要知道，是环境造就我们滴，所以我们情有可原。
嫩太有才了。。。。。