电影中的描述他flashback concentration camp比较多，好像那段情节影响他比较深刻。 在书中，他梦的最多的是他的wife. 给我的感觉是，他的wife的死是对他最有影响的。 He misses his wife the most.
因为看过书， 所以知道结局。 发现一些导演用心拍得镜头。 比如teddy and chuck在问一位女patient what does dr. sheehan like, 她先瓢了一眼chuck。 chuck听到她的description后, 很得意地笑了一下。 如果不只道ending的人恐怕不会注意到这些情节。 还有就是dr. cawley跟teddy解释how they treat their patients and why chuck was having a hard time giving his gun to the guard when they first arrived the island是很好的hints/clues。It helps to explain the ending.
1. When Leo's charactor first got off the boat, all the guards are "a little bit on the toes". It was said they were worried about the run away female patient. But they actually are all watching Leo, the male patient who were let loose;
2. Chuck, the other marshall, had problem releasing his own firearms;
3. The nurses, male or female, appeared quite absent minded during the investigation. Looking back, why, of course, they know it's just a show;
4. When the marshalls were interviewing the patients, Leo's charactor knew exactly how to annoy one of the male patient (by rubbing pencil on paper) How did he knew? He had lived there for 2 years;
5. Also during the interview of the patients, one female patient was using flirting terms "easy on the eye" on the missing Dr. Sheehan, and she was looking at Chuck. Why they are the same person.
6. Also during the interview of the patients, Chuck (Dr. Sheehan) was sitting sideway, watching both the incoming patients, and Leo's charactor.
7. "why are you all wet, baby" is the key sentence. It appeared 3 times: First time, in the beginging, leo dreamed of his dead wife, "remember the smoke got to her". But before she crumble into ashes, she was soaking wet and began bleeding in Leo's hands.
Second time, at the lighthouse, the bald doctor greeted Leo with this sentence. Leo's chcactor was wetting from swimming, but that is not the point.
Finally, we learned the origin of this sentence. This is a question Leo asked his wife at the original crime scene. After he went home that day, he first poured himself some drink. Then he went on to meet his family as usual, asked about his children. He finally realized something must be wrong with his wife. This sentence marked the turning point of Leo's life.
------------------------------------- And finally, here is my over-analysis of the plot.
Leo's charactor was said to be the most dangerous patient on the island, because he charged with 4X murders.
You see, it is hard to tell whether a dead person has mental problems. When the cops finally got to the crime scene, what could they see: 3 drown children, one wet and shot wife, and one wet husband. There must be evidence of him being in the lake, and him firing the shot. Leo probably already gone insane, and claiming he had no children, and his wife died in a fire. It is logical that the cops/court decided Leo murdered all his children and wife.
The children's time of death must be close to the time Leo got home. Hence Leo's guilt trip in his dreams, his daughter saying "you could have saved us".
The doctors on the island must have found out about the meaning of the sentence "why are you all wet, baby". It means Leo's wife drown the baby, and he is not a 4x murderer. That's maybe why Dr. Sheehan and the bald doctor took great sympathy to Leo, went to great length to bring him to reality.
1. When Leo's charactor first got off the boat, all the guards are "a little bit on the toes". It was said they were worried about the run away female patient. But they actually are all watching Leo, the male patient who were let loose;
2. Chuck, the other marshall, had problem releasing his own firearms;
3. The nurses, male or female, appeared quite absent minded during the investigation. Looking back, why, of course, they know it's just a show;
4. When the marshalls were interviewing the patients, Leo's charactor knew exactly how to annoy one of the male patient (by rubbing pencil on paper) How did he knew? He had lived there for 2 years;
5. Also during the interview of the patients, one female patient was using flirting terms "easy on the eye" on the missing Dr. Sheehan, and she was looking at Chuck. Why they are the same person.
6. Also during the interview of the patients, Chuck (Dr. Sheehan) was sitting sideway, watching both the incoming patients, and Leo's charactor.
7. "why are you all wet, baby" is the key sentence. It appeared 3 times: First time, in the beginging, leo dreamed of his dead wife, "remember the smoke got to her". But before she crumble into ashes, she was soaking wet and began bleeding in Leo's hands.
Second time, at the lighthouse, the bald doctor greeted Leo with this sentence. Leo's chcactor was wetting from swimming, but that is not the point.
Finally, we learned the origin of this sentence. This is a question Leo asked his wife at the original crime scene. After he went home that day, he first poured himself some drink. Then he went on to meet his family as usual, asked about his children. He finally realized something must be wrong with his wife. This sentence marked the turning point of Leo's life.
------------------------------------- And finally, here is my over-analysis of the plot.
Leo's charactor was said to be the most dangerous patient on the island, because he charged with 4X murders.
You see, it is hard to tell whether a dead person has mental problems. When the cops finally got to the crime scene, what could they see: 3 drown children, one wet and shot wife, and one wet husband. There must be evidence of him being in the lake, and him firing the shot. Leo probably already gone insane, and claiming he had no children, and his wife died in a fire. It is logical that the cops/court decided Leo murdered all his children and wife.
The children's time of death must be close to the time Leo got home. Hence Leo's guilt trip in his dreams, his daughter saying "you could have saved us".
The doctors on the island must have found out about the meaning of the sentence "why are you all wet, baby". It means Leo's wife drown the baby, and he is not a 4x murderer. That's maybe why Dr. Sheehan and the bald doctor took great sympathy to Leo, went to great length to bring him to reality.
Can't type Chinese.. I give 4 points, if there were half points i would give it 3.5 Too long, could've cut at least 20 minutes of hallucinations of main character..
今天上映的Shutter Island我打算去看，先开了推荐的帖子大家讨论
看过的同学，投票有奖哦（奖励5/5/5），请投过票的同学跟帖要奖！ （活动已截止，谢谢参与～～～）
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1130884/
官网（点video有一个trailer）
www.ShutterIsland.com
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然后还有什么，我想起来其实人的精神世界很微妙，而且人对它所知甚少，无知所以恐怖吧，一下忘了是好还是不好？人的痛苦决定一个人，还是人的快乐决定一个人？我觉得是痛苦。完全除掉了一个人的痛苦，那这个人也就变成了无。
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我投0分的原因是象恐怕片，所以对我来说是烂片。理由成立吧
瀑布汗~~~
瀑布汗~~~
摸摸~~~
借机占满第一页，嘻嘻
俺非常想弄清楚到底怎么回事，但是又不敢去看，只好等大家回来说说了，下个星期有另外一个恐怖片－the crazies, 是偶很喜欢的hitman的帅哥演的，好纠结啊，看预告还挺好看的，可是恐怖片俺一般都是闭着眼睛的～
我投0分的原因是象恐怕片，所以对我来说是烂片。理由成立吧
哈哈。。等老师来给你红包？
你都没看啊。。
我挺想去看的，马丁斯科塞斯老头和Leonardo帅哥滴组合
这个片子看了无数片预告就是没有看懂啊？汗～看懂了还用去看电影嘛？俺非常想弄清楚到底怎么回事，但是又不敢去看，只好等大家回来说说了，下个星期有另外一个恐怖片－the crazies, 是偶很喜欢的hitman的帅哥演的，好纠结啊，看预告还挺好看的，可是恐怖片俺一般都是闭着眼睛的～
mm下周开新片投票楼吧
鼓起勇气去看~
哈哈。。等老师来给你红包？
你都没看啊。。
我挺想去看的，马丁斯科塞斯老头和Leonardo帅哥滴组合
老师不会给红包了。。。那样就乱了HOHO
我就是眼馋Leonardo才看了trailer。还是有点怕呀
前几天刚看了他和kate的revolutionary road（是这个名不）。前面都还不错了，就是结尾仓促了点，没处理好。可惜了
不过对他变残的扮相我还是很喜欢滴，跟你推荐的这个影片里的样貌不相上下呢。喜欢
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mm下周开新片投票楼吧
鼓起勇气去看~
让偶再纠结一下，一般恐怖片是俺的死穴，俺特胆小，但是这个帅哥很有特色啊，预告冒似听好看，就是太恐怖，纠结纠结～～～
总的来说，没有书好看。 有些情节不一样。 比如，Teddy不是该是那么violent的人. 比如，teddy挣脱了那个attack他的那个病人后狂打他，在书上好像就没有。 Teddy因该是一个很calm的人，Andrew才是violent的。
电影中的描述他flashback concentration camp比较多，好像那段情节影响他比较深刻。 在书中，他梦的最多的是他的wife. 给我的感觉是，他的wife的死是对他最有影响的。 He misses his wife the most.
因为看过书， 所以知道结局。 发现一些导演用心拍得镜头。 比如teddy and chuck在问一位女patient what does dr. sheehan like, 她先瓢了一眼chuck。 chuck听到她的description后, 很得意地笑了一下。 如果不只道ending的人恐怕不会注意到这些情节。 还有就是dr. cawley跟teddy解释how they treat their patients and why chuck was having a hard time giving his gun to the guard when they first arrived the island是很好的hints/clues。It helps to explain the ending.
我给的总评：3.5
我zt给的：3
这个片子看了无数片预告就是没有看懂啊？汗～看懂了还用去看电影嘛？俺非常想弄清楚到底怎么回事，但是又不敢去看，只好等大家回来说说了，下个星期有另外一个恐怖片－the crazies, 是偶很喜欢的hitman的帅哥演的，好纠结啊，看预告还挺好看的，可是恐怖片俺一般都是闭着眼睛的～
没有那么恐怖啊
因为这阵子折腾，进场差15分钟就开演了，真叫座无虚席，我们只能坐在很前面，搞得我一场电影看下来头昏眼花。最不爽的是后面坐着几个teenage, 把脚放在我椅背上不说，一个小弟弟一直在说话，他旁边的小mm整场电影都在笑，也不知道在笑什么，我气！！！
电影挺好看的，结局我是到很后面才猜到的，帅哥的演技真好，我甚至觉得如果不是他演技好，整个电影很容易会变成大烂片。要说缺点，就是节奏太慢。
还是值得一看的。
昨天我生日，和zt一起看这个片，我们真是不浪漫呀。
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虽然与想象不同..但是整个影片还是很引人入胜的..
不过我应该没有完全明白电影的结局..
最后还是回家看了一些讨论才恍然大悟..
结局比较郁闷...
昨天看了，还费了一番周折。跑到fandango上买的票，结果去剧院用信用卡拿票的时候竟然没有我的记录，但是既然都去了，就又花钱买了票，后天还要找fandango把钱拿回来，好烦。
因为这阵子折腾，进场差15分钟就开演了，真叫座无虚席，我们只能坐在很前面，搞得我一场电影看下来头昏眼花。最不爽的是后面坐着几个teenage, 把脚放在我椅背上不说，一个小弟弟一直在说话，他旁边的小mm整场电影都在笑，也不知道在笑什么，我气！！！
电影挺好看的，结局我是到很后面才猜到的，帅哥的演技真好，我甚至觉得如果不是他演技好，整个电影很容易会变成大烂片。要说缺点，就是节奏太慢。
还是值得一看的。
昨天我生日，和zt一起看这个片，我们真是不浪漫呀。
是有些拖沓..特别是他lp出现在幻觉里的时候...
唉~Leonardo"苦大仇深"的样子很惹人怜爱阿~
好看,不恐怖,比想象中要有意思.没看过的请参考BEAUTIFUL MIND.
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哇。。和这个类似么？
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我给了5分，虽然我非常讨厌看恐怖片，不过几个月前在电影院看了trailer，加上roomie怂恿和这片的高人气，最后还是硬着头皮去看了。虽然之前还看了剧透，可是还是看到2/3才搞明白，属于那种看懂了结局，没看懂过程的，回来跟roomie讨论了半天，才把细节稍微理顺了点。十分佩服那些看到一半就猜到结局的天才，俺严重怀疑自己的智商有下降的趋势。
建议没看的人，还是不要看剧透了，除非看过书，否则那些一知半解的剧透，反而会干扰你完全投入。细节，我打算之后买dvd来研究算了，第一次看电影的，肯定研究不透，不要纠结。
我喜欢它的结局，比较耐人寻味，过程某些地方还是有点吓人和恶心的，惊恐指数有3-4分。但是我有同学不喜欢这种模棱两可纠结的结局，网上也有两派解读一直在讨论。相比起来，我更喜欢Beautiful mind和飞跃疯人院多些，这种从头疯到尾的，有点歇斯底里得让人窒息，不过还算一部值得一看的片子吧，最近好片实在不多。
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我觉得挺好的，就是最后的结局我有点没想明白。我觉得他是回到了之前死循环的那个假记忆里面，那为什么他又会要做个好人去同意医生给他做切片呢？如果他还以为自己是警官，那不是应该坚持破案吗？？
谢谢打赏，等讨论~~
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但我老公就偏说是阴谋论
我俩就死磕 讨论ing
俺投了。5分
我觉得挺好的，就是最后的结局我有点没想明白。我觉得他是回到了之前死循环的那个假记忆里面，那为什么他又会要做个好人去同意医生给他做切片呢？如果他还以为自己是警官，那不是应该坚持破案吗？？
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mm可以去另一楼剧透贴里找答案
好看,不恐怖,比想象中要有意思.没看过的请参考BEAUTIFUL MIND.
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美丽心灵我真是不是很喜欢。。。。而且没有看懂。。
我要
片子还好 有一些地方的镜头切换到是稍微有点吓人
总结一下他演技是越来越好了
我的感觉是他是的马勺 然后那个岛上都是坏人 他吃了乱七八糟的东西最后大脑也分裂了
最后到了灯塔是做手术吧 可是奇怪他去灯塔的时候里面不是空的么＝。＝
算了 看过小说的人出来说一说吧
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现实和虚幻穿插
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1. When Leo's charactor first got off the boat, all the guards are "a little bit on the toes". It was said they were worried about the run away female patient. But they actually are all watching Leo, the male patient who were let loose;
2. Chuck, the other marshall, had problem releasing his own firearms;
3. The nurses, male or female, appeared quite absent minded during the investigation. Looking back, why, of course, they know it's just a show;
4. When the marshalls were interviewing the patients, Leo's charactor knew exactly how to annoy one of the male patient (by rubbing pencil on paper) How did he knew? He had lived there for 2 years;
5. Also during the interview of the patients, one female patient was using flirting terms "easy on the eye" on the missing Dr. Sheehan, and she was looking at Chuck. Why they are the same person.
6. Also during the interview of the patients, Chuck (Dr. Sheehan) was sitting sideway, watching both the incoming patients, and Leo's charactor.
7. "why are you all wet, baby" is the key sentence. It appeared 3 times:
First time, in the beginging, leo dreamed of his dead wife, "remember the smoke got to her". But before she crumble into ashes, she was soaking wet and began bleeding in Leo's hands.
Second time, at the lighthouse, the bald doctor greeted Leo with this sentence. Leo's chcactor was wetting from swimming, but that is not the point.
Finally, we learned the origin of this sentence. This is a question Leo asked his wife at the original crime scene. After he went home that day, he first poured himself some drink. Then he went on to meet his family as usual, asked about his children. He finally realized something must be wrong with his wife. This sentence marked the turning point of Leo's life.
-------------------------------------
And finally, here is my over-analysis of the plot.
Leo's charactor was said to be the most dangerous patient on the island, because he charged with 4X murders.
You see, it is hard to tell whether a dead person has mental problems. When the cops finally got to the crime scene, what could they see:
3 drown children, one wet and shot wife, and one wet husband. There must be evidence of him being in the lake, and him firing the shot. Leo probably already gone insane, and claiming he had no children, and his wife died in a fire. It is logical that the cops/court decided Leo murdered all his children and wife.
The children's time of death must be close to the time Leo got home. Hence Leo's guilt trip in his dreams, his daughter saying "you could have saved us".
The doctors on the island must have found out about the meaning of the sentence "why are you all wet, baby". It means Leo's wife drown the baby, and he is not a 4x murderer. That's maybe why Dr. Sheehan and the bald doctor took great sympathy to Leo, went to great length to bring him to reality.
这个其实不能算是恐怖片，比较近似心理惊悚片，虽然马导是借鉴了很多恐怖片桥段去打造观众心理压力和引导出片中那种阴森莫名的气氛，因为先看书后看电影，所以已经为了最后那个结局郁闷了一次，片子里的安排对比起来其实更容易接受一点，因为片子里暗示了人物做最后那个决定的时候，至少头脑清醒，知道自己在做什么，虽然总的来说这个故事就是一场令人心碎的悲剧，极致哀伤的情怀放到一部恐怖片子里，其实还是很有效果的，让人难过之后很难忘，然后阴魂不散的缠住你。。。
看前面说不是恐怖片还打算去看，惊悚...偶也看不了
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clues:
1. When Leo's charactor first got off the boat, all the guards are "a little bit on the toes". It was said they were worried about the run away female patient. But they actually are all watching Leo, the male patient who were let loose;
2. Chuck, the other marshall, had problem releasing his own firearms;
3. The nurses, male or female, appeared quite absent minded during the investigation. Looking back, why, of course, they know it's just a show;
4. When the marshalls were interviewing the patients, Leo's charactor knew exactly how to annoy one of the male patient (by rubbing pencil on paper) How did he knew? He had lived there for 2 years;
5. Also during the interview of the patients, one female patient was using flirting terms "easy on the eye" on the missing Dr. Sheehan, and she was looking at Chuck. Why they are the same person.
6. Also during the interview of the patients, Chuck (Dr. Sheehan) was sitting sideway, watching both the incoming patients, and Leo's charactor.
7. "why are you all wet, baby" is the key sentence. It appeared 3 times:
First time, in the beginging, leo dreamed of his dead wife, "remember the smoke got to her". But before she crumble into ashes, she was soaking wet and began bleeding in Leo's hands.
Second time, at the lighthouse, the bald doctor greeted Leo with this sentence. Leo's chcactor was wetting from swimming, but that is not the point.
Finally, we learned the origin of this sentence. This is a question Leo asked his wife at the original crime scene. After he went home that day, he first poured himself some drink. Then he went on to meet his family as usual, asked about his children. He finally realized something must be wrong with his wife. This sentence marked the turning point of Leo's life.
-------------------------------------
And finally, here is my over-analysis of the plot.
Leo's charactor was said to be the most dangerous patient on the island, because he charged with 4X murders.
You see, it is hard to tell whether a dead person has mental problems. When the cops finally got to the crime scene, what could they see:
3 drown children, one wet and shot wife, and one wet husband. There must be evidence of him being in the lake, and him firing the shot. Leo probably already gone insane, and claiming he had no children, and his wife died in a fire. It is logical that the cops/court decided Leo murdered all his children and wife.
The children's time of death must be close to the time Leo got home. Hence Leo's guilt trip in his dreams, his daughter saying "you could have saved us".
The doctors on the island must have found out about the meaning of the sentence "why are you all wet, baby". It means Leo's wife drown the baby, and he is not a 4x murderer. That's maybe why Dr. Sheehan and the bald doctor took great sympathy to Leo, went to great length to bring him to reality.
这个太强大了！！！说的有道理
我和家猪都觉得值得一看，嗯嗯~~~~~配乐不错
I give 4 points, if there were half points i would give it 3.5
Too long, could've cut at least 20 minutes of hallucinations of main character..
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很想再看一遍
投票拉
to live a monster, or to die as a good man, 很引人思考，据说和原著相差就这一句，意义大变
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3分
看得人心情沉重。。
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刚刚看回来
其实我觉得比较推荐更为合适
哈哈哈
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这部戏让我想起了Fight Club 和 Mulholland Drive。
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因为说实话我没看懂结局是什么意思
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要奖ING
嘿嘿
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每个人有每个人的理解。。。。。。。
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不过莱昂很man!