Apparently, 水涨船高 is the problem. CEO's salary probably should not be determined this way, rather, more connected with the performance.
But how do you measure performance? Stock prices? Company total assets? Growth potential?
If the executives' salaries are all pegged to some type of performance benchmark, then when the greater good of the company is in conflict with that benchmark, how do you expect the executives to act?
But how do you measure performance? Stock prices? Company total assets? Growth potential?
If the executives' salaries are all pegged to some type of performance benchmark, then when the greater good of the company is in conflict with that benchmark, how do you expect the executives to act?
I'd promote some combination of Stock prices/Company total assets/Growth potential.
I'd promote some combination of Stock prices/Company total assets/Growth potential.
I don't know how I feel about the executives compensation issue. On one hand, I do feel that a lot of them do not deserve what they are paid; but it is also an incentive for me to climb the corporate ladder. Bamboo/glass ceiling or not, it is a big motivator for me to strive to perform well at work.
I don't know how I feel about the executives compensation issue. On one hand, I do feel that a lot of them do not deserve what they are paid; but it is also an incentive for me to climb the corporate ladder. Bamboo/glass ceiling or not, it is a big motivator for me to strive to perform well at work.
I don't know how I feel about the executives compensation issue. On one hand, I do feel that a lot of them do not deserve what they are paid; but it is also an incentive for me to climb the corporate ladder. Bamboo/glass ceiling or not, it is a big motivator for me to strive to perform well at work.
Of course--so far the best occupation is CEO. :P It's just that once being a CEO, you may not like those who have terrible performance get same/higher salary than those who perform well, like you. :P
Of course--so far the best occupation is CEO. :P It's just that once being a CEO, you may not like those who have terrible performance get same/higher salary than those who perform well, like you. :P
actually that is not true.if you take all CEOs and do some analysis, being a CEO is overall a pretty crappy job.. all we saw was a few made to headlines.
actually that is not true.if you take all CEOs and do some analysis, being a CEO is overall a pretty crappy job.. all we saw was a few made to headlines.
if you think being a high performer regular employee is hard enough, try to be a high performer CEO... that is almost impossible unless you are 1) the founder 2) running a privately owned company with all support you can get.
actually that is not true.if you take all CEOs and do some analysis, being a CEO is overall a pretty crappy job.. all we saw was a few made to headlines.
Yes you're right. I should have said, being the CEO of a crappy public company is the best job of all... :)
would you rather live in US or one of those Europe countries? or would you actually find work in those europe countries?
i so know you will bring this up :P i dunno i just feel like those CEOs are way overpaid. they should not get hefty bonus by manipulating the numbers only....which is most of them are doing
i so know you will bring this up :P i dunno i just feel like those CEOs are way overpaid. they should not get hefty bonus by manipulating the numbers only....which is most of them are doing
well, which one comes first? the egg, or the hen. i think for public companies, the stock holders and the CEOs, the board are all equally guilty... the system is far from perfect, but is set a compensation limitation the solution, i dont think so.
well, which one comes first? the egg, or the hen. i think for public companies, the stock holders and the CEOs, the board are all equally guilty... the system is far from perfect, but is set a compensation limitation the solution, i dont think so. that should be the most effective way so far before their greed ruins the whole system //errrrrrrrr.........i dunno...
i am actually curious.. with 2 little kids, i think one of hers might be 1-2 years old, and husband not around mon-friday, with a full time demanding job (her salary is somewhere around 150k), even though she does not flip houses, is it really possible to cook dinner after all?
i am actually curious.. with 2 little kids, i think one of hers might be 1-2 years old, and husband not around mon-friday, with a full time demanding job (her salary is somewhere around 150k), even though she does not flip houses, is it really possible to cook dinner after all?
setting the limitatio? no, i think that will drive the whole system to the ground. then how did the old-time ones? how did they get paid based on performance? i am just curiuos did anyone make a comparison?
以下是引用kittypeny在2/23/2010 4:01:00 PM的发言： 内心强大啊，人家不需要被认同priority和道德观，想出来show off啥就show off啥。需尽欢啥啥的那句咋说的？ ren sheng de yi xu jin huan mo shi jin zun kong dui yue? doesn't match a
但是谁有权力去禁止他们这样做呢？
The board (who hires the CEO) needs to come up with better solution.
The board (who hires the CEO) needs to come up with better solution.
would they have incentives to do so?
would they have incentives to do so?
Usually the big share-holder does. But if a public company has too many small share holders, the board becomes useless.
Apparently, 水涨船高 is the problem. CEO's salary probably should not be determined this way, rather, more connected with the performance.
But how do you measure performance? Stock prices? Company total assets? Growth potential?
If the executives' salaries are all pegged to some type of performance benchmark, then when the greater good of the company is in conflict with that benchmark, how do you expect the executives to act?
But how do you measure performance? Stock prices? Company total assets? Growth potential?
If the executives' salaries are all pegged to some type of performance benchmark, then when the greater good of the company is in conflict with that benchmark, how do you expect the executives to act?
I'd promote some combination of Stock prices/Company total assets/Growth potential.
这个世界不是单纯简单的。所以我都不想。
比游戏复杂多了，现在没有哪个虚拟游戏能够很好地模拟一个城市，更别说国家了
I'd promote some combination of Stock prices/Company total assets/Growth potential.
I don't know how I feel about the executives compensation issue. On one hand, I do feel that a lot of them do not deserve what they are paid; but it is also an incentive for me to climb the corporate ladder. Bamboo/glass ceiling or not, it is a big motivator for me to strive to perform well at work.
I don't know how I feel about the executives compensation issue. On one hand, I do feel that a lot of them do not deserve what they are paid; but it is also an incentive for me to climb the corporate ladder. Bamboo/glass ceiling or not, it is a big motivator for me to strive to perform well at work.
同感。。。。。。。
I don't know how I feel about the executives compensation issue. On one hand, I do feel that a lot of them do not deserve what they are paid; but it is also an incentive for me to climb the corporate ladder. Bamboo/glass ceiling or not, it is a big motivator for me to strive to perform well at work.
Of course--so far the best occupation is CEO. :P It's just that once being a CEO, you may not like those who have terrible performance get same/higher salary than those who perform well, like you. :P
而且还觉得这个线要怎么划呢？今天你可以限制ceo的收入，明天是不是又决定来限制第二第三把手的收入了？然后其他的高层？中高层？任何收入过２５万的？过１０万的？
I think 限制ceo的收入 is a terrible idea. I'm against government intervention in this issue.
“特理解你的郁闷.....你没听说嘛....
中国的传统美德是大家帮忙一起把你的日子给过了.....
所以你的就是大家的.....这个大家包括你的父母亲戚长辈等等......
因此你的老公也是要让大家知道的,比如他的身高长相学历家里几口人.............
中国人的概念里亲戚之间是不能有隐私的..........有隐私就显得和大家不亲近...............
你就坚持过自己喜欢的生活吧....爱谁谁.....”
Of course--so far the best occupation is CEO. :P It's just that once being a CEO, you may not like those who have terrible performance get same/higher salary than those who perform well, like you. :P
actually that is not true.if you take all CEOs and do some analysis, being a CEO is overall a pretty crappy job.. all we saw was a few made to headlines.
actually that is not true.if you take all CEOs and do some analysis, being a CEO is overall a pretty crappy job.. all we saw was a few made to headlines.
愿闻其详～～～没中文就多分段，慢慢说哈
隔壁帖子，笑死
“特理解你的郁闷.....你没听说嘛....
中国的传统美德是大家帮忙一起把你的日子给过了.....
所以你的就是大家的.....这个大家包括你的父母亲戚长辈等等......
因此你的老公也是要让大家知道的,比如他的身高长相学历家里几口人.............
中国人的概念里亲戚之间是不能有隐私的..........有隐私就显得和大家不亲近...............
你就坚持过自己喜欢的生活吧....爱谁谁.....”
你很又感触吧嘿嘿。。。。。目前你被劝服了没？
ceo也不能减，穷人当然更不能减，银子从哪里来呢？这就是我最最不理解的地方了。。。。。。。人类的生产力再怎么提高，这相对的收入总是个0 sum game。
From those who have no lobbyists...like us.
actually that is not true.if you take all CEOs and do some analysis, being a CEO is overall a pretty crappy job.. all we saw was a few made to headlines.
Yes you're right. I should have said, being the CEO of a crappy public company is the best job of all... :)
你很又感触吧嘿嘿。。。。。目前你被劝服了没？
继续坚持～
愿闻其详～～～没中文就多分段，慢慢说哈
say come word long...
say come word long...
嘛？！
say come word long...
then long word short say....
K.....太狠了。。。。。。。。。才懂
给个总结，我都没看明白
这明明是地球话。。。。。。我是老年痴呆了。。。。。。。。
给个总结，我都没看明白
没啥，就是聊起CEO的工作和薪酬，然后空空就说其实CEO活不好干的，媒体上看见的好像都日子很好混，其实他们的工作也有艰辛的一面。kp就很好学的希望空空展开来多说说，然后空空就回答say come word long。。。。
i started to eat a banana, then somehow ghost is god messenger, i cliked the above link. damn! the banana tasted sour...
没啥，就是聊起CEO的工作和薪酬，然后空空就说其实CEO活不好干的，媒体上看见的好像都日子很好混，其实他们的工作也有艰辛的一面。kp就很好学的希望空空展开来多说说，然后空空就回答say come word long。。。。
？？
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&topicid=707840
i started to eat a banana, then somehow ghost is god messenger, i cliked the above link. damn! the banana tasted sour...
this is quite creative, dont you say, huh?
this is quite creative, dont you say, huh?
love it
I think 限制ceo的收入 is a terrible idea. I'm against government intervention in this issue.
then how do those european ones survive
这个故事好像去年的书里面说过，这个就是习俗的形成啊
the point was, i was actually eating a banana ....
ceo到底是做什么的？
这个，就是管理公司，决定发展方向，重要决策什么的。很难讲啊，就像有人问你美国总统到底是做什么的，不好回答吧。
回来啦？welcome
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&topicid=707840
i started to eat a banana, then somehow ghost is god messenger, i cliked the above link. damn! the banana tasted sour...
？？
说来话长。。。
这个，就是管理公司，决定发展方向，重要决策什么的。很难讲啊，就像有人问你美国总统到底是做什么的，不好回答吧。
那为什么他们的工作很难呢？就是好奇哈，结尾的问好不是反问，就是一个straighfwd的问题
yeah.. a video ...
then how do those european ones survive
would you rather live in US or one of those Europe countries? or would you actually find work in those europe countries?
我想要一个家庭图书馆， 这个是我最大的心愿。。 然后里面要有那个sliding 通到最高shelf上面的梯子。。 其他我都无所谓。。 能有一个很大的shower room 有两个分的不太远的shower heads...
美女呀，你真是说到我心坎上了，我也喜欢呢。
this is quite creative, dont you say, huh?
拐了好几个弯才出来的。
美女呀，你真是说到我心坎上了，我也喜欢呢。
i have a friend, he actually has a library (just the way i want) at home.. i love it.....
终于没坚持住，爬了那个lovebay的高楼。看到众美女被她晃点，xs56。。。
我也在爬，其实还是有很多有用的信息。不过我现在不装修房子所以用不上。
我同意前面空空说的，她的生活态度很积极，而且在我看来她也很会安排时间。
这两点都很值得我学习，但是她说话的态度和语气，嗯，只能说不是一路人。
我也在爬，其实还是有很多有用的信息。不过我现在不装修房子所以用不上。
我同意前面空空说的，她的生活态度很积极，而且在我看来她也很会安排时间。
这两点都很值得我学习，但是她说话的态度和语气，嗯，只能说不是一路人。
妙给去糟粕取精华来个脱水版吧～～～～～～～～～～～
then how do those european ones survive
Then why would Europeaner come to US?
我也在爬，其实还是有很多有用的信息。不过我现在不装修房子所以用不上。
我同意前面空空说的，她的生活态度很积极，而且在我看来她也很会安排时间。
这两点都很值得我学习，但是她说话的态度和语气，嗯，只能说不是一路人。
嗯。。。
不过看到片片，有点幻灭的感觉。
嗯。。。
不过看到片片，有点幻灭的感觉。
你也幻灭了。。。。。
Then why would Europeaner come to US?
据说来了都不喜欢啊。我这里也经历过一个兴师动众从欧洲来呆不１年就回去的。
嗯。。。
不过看到片片，有点幻灭的感觉。
what did you expect?
我也在爬，其实还是有很多有用的信息。不过我现在不装修房子所以用不上。
我同意前面空空说的，她的生活态度很积极，而且在我看来她也很会安排时间。
这两点都很值得我学习，但是她说话的态度和语气，嗯，只能说不是一路人。
热，打击之，学习之
据说来了都不喜欢啊。我这里也经历过一个兴师动众从欧洲来呆不１年就回去的。
from which country?
overall, i think more come to US and stayed than US went to europe and stayed, but that's just my pure speculation.
妙给去糟粕取精华来个脱水版吧～～～～～～～～～～～
我觉得不用看，没啥有效信息。。。。。你生活态度挺积极了。
看过了，你该过啥日子，还是过啥日子。不为了赚钱和人家暧昧，就还是不暧昧。。。
宁愿多花时间自己给孩子做饭陪孩子，也不愿从中餐馆叫外卖省时间，也还是自己给孩子做饭陪孩子。
would you rather live in US or one of those Europe countries? or would you actually find work in those europe countries?
i so know you will bring this up :P
i dunno
i just feel like those CEOs are way overpaid. they should not get hefty bonus by manipulating the numbers only....which is most of them are doing
what did you expect?
没啥expect。就是幻灭呀。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
我也在爬，其实还是有很多有用的信息。不过我现在不装修房子所以用不上。
我同意前面空空说的，她的生活态度很积极，而且在我看来她也很会安排时间。
这两点都很值得我学习，但是她说话的态度和语气，嗯，只能说不是一路人。
re
would you rather live in US or one of those Europe countries? or would you actually find work in those europe countries?
哎，让美国的公司的假期和欧洲看齐我就很高兴了。
我觉得不用看，没啥有效信息。。。。。你生活态度挺积极了。
看过了，你该过啥日子，还是过啥日子。不为了赚钱和人家暧昧，就还是不暧昧。。。
宁愿多花时间自己给孩子做饭陪孩子，也不愿从中餐馆叫外卖省时间，也还是自己给孩子做饭陪孩子。
嗯，不是一路人看了没劲。
邓文迪姐姐值得学的更多，学得了不。
Then why would Europeaner come to US?
eastern ones?
might be politically incorrect
热，打击之，学习之
嘻嘻。我觉得没必要打击。各有各的活法。。。。。都是凡人，都是普通人。
我觉得不用看，没啥有效信息。。。。。你生活态度挺积极了。
看过了，你该过啥日子，还是过啥日子。不为了赚钱和人家暧昧，就还是不暧昧。。。
yes
i so know you will bring this up :P
i dunno
i just feel like those CEOs are way overpaid. they should not get hefty bonus by manipulating the numbers only....which is most of them are doing
well, which one comes first? the egg, or the hen. i think for public companies, the stock holders and the CEOs, the board are all equally guilty... the system is far from perfect, but is set a compensation limitation the solution, i dont think so.
anybody saw her face? why all bubble burst?
no need to see the face. The overall presentation is not my cup of tea.
不过看了时尚美妈奔，不得不感叹，生娃要趁早呀。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
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well, which one comes first? the egg, or the hen. i think for public companies, the stock holders and the CEOs, the board are all equally guilty... the system is far from perfect, but is set a compensation limitation the solution, i dont think so.
that should be the most effective way so far before their greed ruins the whole system
//errrrrrrrr.........i dunno...
妙给去糟粕取精华来个脱水版吧～～～～～～～～～～～
这活儿太累啦，不干。。。。
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嗯，不是一路人看了没劲。
邓文迪姐姐值得学的更多，学得了不。
i am actually curious.. with 2 little kids, i think one of hers might be 1-2 years old, and husband not around mon-friday, with a full time demanding job (her salary is somewhere around 150k), even though she does not flip houses, is it really possible to cook dinner after all?
嗯，不是一路人看了没劲。
邓文迪姐姐值得学的更多，学得了不。
最近对文迪jj有新的认识。以前就是很不齿她一路爬床爬过来的事迹。现在还是有点心生敬意了。
that should be the most effective way so far before their greed ruins the whole system
//errrrrrrrr.........i dunno...
setting the limitatio? no, i think that will drive the whole system to the ground.
setting the limitatio? no, i think that will drive the whole system to the ground.
上限不应该有的话，那是否需要给穷人下限呢？
这活儿太累啦，不干。。。。
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哈哈。那个楼里好几个总结，说得都挺好，就是有点harsh。。。
嗯。。。
不过看到片片，有点幻灭的感觉。
嘿嘿嘿，那是你期望值太高。
kp 在不？？
在～～～～
i am actually curious.. with 2 little kids, i think one of hers might be 1-2 years old, and husband not around mon-friday, with a full time demanding job (her salary is somewhere around 150k), even though she does not flip houses, is it really possible to cook dinner after all?
人的潜力是无穷的，没准她还真能做到。
有些事可以请钟点工帮忙的，打扫卫生什么的，就能节约下不少时间。
嘿嘿嘿，那是你期望值太高。
那是她渲染的大家期望值高
在～～～～
干～～～～嘛～～～～～～～～～～～
最近对文迪jj有新的认识。以前就是很不齿她一路爬床爬过来的事迹。现在还是有点心生敬意了。
我现在很拿邓文迪JJ的努力做学习对象
人的潜力是无穷的，没准她还真能做到。
有些事可以请钟点工帮忙的，打扫卫生什么的，就能节约下不少时间。
她要做的事实在太多了。非常佩服。
不过肌肉木有线条。。。。
我现在很拿邓文迪JJ的努力做学习对象
一般人做不到。。。。。。。。。。。真的做不到。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
很多事情，不是想学就能学会的。。。。
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下面的话有点不厚道。
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setting the limitatio? no, i think that will drive the whole system to the ground.
then how did the old-time ones? how did they get paid based on performance? i am just curiuos
did anyone make a comparison?
干～～～～嘛～～～～～～～～～～～
短你了
那是她渲染的大家期望值高
hehe
then how did the old-time ones? how did they get paid based on performance? i am just curiuos
did anyone make a comparison?
我也想知道从前的CEO是怎么搞
我现在很拿邓文迪JJ的努力做学习对象
just like a rabbit wanna copy an eagle? (well, bad simile......eagle is too good for her)
热，打击之，学习之
哈哈，打击她干啥，要宽容哈。。。。
她要做的事实在太多了。非常佩服。
不过肌肉木有线条。。。。
2 kids. a full-time job. investment. flip house
and still have time to tone up her muscle? -- she's a superwoman
那是她渲染的大家期望值高
要学会通过现象看本质嘛
2 kids. a full-time job. investment. flip house
and still have time to tone up her muscle? -- she's a superwoman
对啊。我的priority肯定跟她不一样。
一般人做不到。。。。。。。。。。。真的做不到。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
很多事情，不是想学就能学会的。。。。
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just like a rabbit wanna copy an eagle? (well, bad simile......eagle is too good for her)
这次啥高考零分作文，好象有个故事。
叫兔子学游泳还是啥的。
内心强大啊，人家不需要被认同priority和道德观，想出来show off啥就show off啥。需尽欢啥啥的那句咋说的？
ren sheng de yi xu jin huan
mo shi jin zun kong dui yue?
doesn't match a