[转帖]来了来了,开始blame中国了。 纽约时报 猪流感可能由中国引起

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clamp1999
楼主 (北美华人网)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/world/asia/29swine.html?_r=1&hpw
 
理由:
  1。 历史上的流感病毒大多由中国南部引起
  2。 中国政府不透明,即使猪流感在中国发生了,他们也不会公开。
  总结,猪流感可能由中国引起。
 
  
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  Many medical historians believe that the Asian and Hong Kong flus started in
    southeastern China near Hong Kong, where very high densities of people live
    in close proximity to hogs and chickens in rural areas and can share their
    viruses. Some historians also suggest that the Spanish flu also started in
    southeastern China.
  
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  很多医学专家相信流感病毒源自亚洲和中国东南部靠近香港,那里人口稠密,乡村环境与猪和鸡接触密切,容易造成病毒感染。有些专家认为西班牙热也是源自中国东南部。
  
  Millions of pigs died in China two years ago in an epidemic so severe that
    it pushed pork prices up 90 percent. Veterinarians attributed the deaths at
    the time mainly to blue-ear disease, which does not affect humans, but also
    to swine flu. The Chinese government did not issue a public report assessing
    the outbreak and provided very few details to international organizations.
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  两年前中国有百万头猪死于传染病,这促使猪肉价格上升了90%,兽医判断这些猪死于猪蓝耳病(不影响人类),但也有一些死于猪流感。中国政府并未就此向国际组织发表报告公布调查细节。
 
The Naming of Swine Flu, a Curious Matter
By KEITH BRADSHER

Published: April 28, 2009

HONG KONG — What to call the new strain of flu raising alarms around the world has taken on political, economic and diplomatic overtones.
Pork producers question whether the term "swine flu" is appropriate, given that the new virus has not yet been isolated in samples taken from pigs in Mexico or elsewhere. While the new virus seems to be most heavily composed of genetic sequences from swine influenza virus material, it also has human and avian influenza genetic sequences as well, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
Government officials in Thailand, one of the world’s largest meat exporters, have started referring to the disease as “Mexican flu.” An Israeli deputy health minister — an ultra-Orthodox Jew — said his country would do the same, to keep Jews from having to say the word “swine.” However, his call seemed to have been largely ignored.
Janet Napolitano, the secretary for homeland security, and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack went out of their way at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday to refer to the virus by its scientific name, as the "H1N1 virus."
"This is not a food-borne illness, virus -- it is not correct to refer to it as swine flu because really that's not what this is about," Mr. Vilsack said.
The World Organization for Animal Health, which handles veterinary issues around the world, issued a statement late Monday suggesting that the new disease should be labeled “North American influenza,” in keeping with a long medical tradition of naming influenza pandemics for the regions where they were first identified. This has included the Spanish flu of 1918 to 1919, the Asian flu of 1957 to 1958 and the Hong Kong flu of 1967 to 1968.
The debate is likely to continue as scientists and health authorities try to trace the disease. While all signs now point to Mexico as the epicenter, the genetic material in the virus there includes part of a swine influenza virus of Eurasian origin. And influenza viruses tend to emerge from Asia.
Prime Minister Wen Jiabao of China called for stepped up measures on Tuesday to prevent and control any possible cases of swine flu that might show up in the country.
Many medical historians believe that the Asian and Hong Kong flus started in southeastern China near Hong Kong, where very high densities of people live in close proximity to hogs and chickens in rural areas and can share their viruses. Some historians also suggest that the Spanish flu also started in southeastern China.
The Mexican ambassador to Beijing, Jorge Guajardo, has been outspoken this week in suggesting that the disease did not originate in Mexico. He said in a telephone interview on Tuesday that the disease was brought to his country by an infected person from somewhere in “Eurasia,” the land mass of Europe and Asia.
Ambassador Guajardo said in a telephone interview that his government had been told by American and Canadian experts that the genetic sequence of the virus pointed to Eurasian origin.
“This did not happen in Mexico,” he said, adding, “It was a human who brought this to Mexico.”
But flu specialists in Asia said that the new virus probably did not make the jump from animals to people in Asia.
“If that is the case, you would see a lot of infections in Asia by now,” said Subash Morzaria, the regional manager for Asia and the Pacific at the Emergency Center for Transboundary Diseases, which is part of the United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization.
The neuraminidase genetic segment of the virus, which gives the virus its “N1” name and controls the ability of the virus to break out of infected cells, comes from a Eurasian strain of swine flu, said Dr. Yuen Kwok-yung, a microbiologist at Hong Kong University. But he added that enough pigs are moved across national borders that it is impossible to place the location more precisely.
There seems little indication of any outbreak of the new flu in China. There have been no recent surges in illnesses among pigs or pig farmers, according to Ben Boake, the executive vice president of the Henan Zhongpin Food Company Ltd., one of China’s largest pork processors.
Millions of pigs died in China two years ago in an epidemic so severe that it pushed pork prices up 90 percent. Veterinarians attributed the deaths at the time mainly to blue-ear disease, which does not affect humans, but also to swine flu. The Chinese government did not issue a public report assessing the outbreak and provided very few details to international organizations.
[此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-29 1:50:05编辑过]
兔小贝
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sofa
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eustis
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 shafa~~~~~
一直不明白为什么自从天朝在1800+年被欺负了开始,
就一直被人骂被歧视
中国人没像犹太人一样敛财,没像日本一样无耻,没像美国一样无赖
招谁惹谁了
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MyDemon
4 楼
搞什么。。。
太无赖了
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yaya
5 楼
是呢,今天听广播的时候,很多有关中国的,比如说官方禁止去墨西哥等,借此来说明不自由,晕倒......
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Summer_Blue
6 楼
errrrrrrr,让流感来得更猛烈一点八
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BaiJuYi
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该用户帖子内容已被屏蔽
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BaiJuYi
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该用户帖子内容已被屏蔽
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vt1000
9 楼
 越来越觉得美国人可恶了
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luciferpyu
10 楼
kao
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hellogigi
11 楼
以下是引用luciferpyu在2009-4-29 2:33:00的发言:
kao

RE你这个表情~
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aitian1986
12 楼
就会来这套,每次都把屎盆子往中国身上扣
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shelley1130
13 楼
我们骂人好不好
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Neverfull
14 楼
以下是引用eustis在2009-4-29 1:57:00的发言:

    
     shafa~~~~~
一直不明白为什么自从天朝在1800+年被欺负了开始,
就一直被人骂被歧视
中国人没像犹太人一样敛财,没像日本一样无耻,没像美国一样无赖
招谁惹谁了

    


就是因为中国没犹大人敛财,没日本无耻,没美国无赖,所以才被欺负的嘛。
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sweettree
15 楼
切,美国人太可恶,关我们啥事
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Sino_Spark
16 楼
我想这次那啥国家应该不会再出头了吧?
不会再弄出下面这样的press宣传资料了吧?
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supersuperpanda
17 楼
猪听了,笑了...
豆豆in兜兜
18 楼
以下是引用supersuperpanda在2009-4-29 5:15:00的发言:

猪听了,笑了...
强烈re这个
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sofaso
19 楼
以下是引用豆豆in兜兜在2009-4-29 5:49:00的发言:

强烈re这个
 ding
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carelesswhisper
20 楼
这篇写的不够耸人听闻,理由也不够有创意,失望啊
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littlefox.2009
21 楼
我就不明白了,什么都赖到中国头上。。。。。
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naturalbeau
22 楼
隔这么远,他们也能赖在中国头上,真是太无耻了!
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Caffeine
23 楼
ft,我前天还和老公说,总算有一次没说是中国的错。tnnd! 
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SweetBerry
24 楼
以下是引用Caffeine在2009-4-29 7:04:00的发言:
ft,我前天还和老公说,总算有一次没说是中国的错。tnnd! 

你想太多了吧,和中国无关的天灾人祸太多了
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ierchun
25 楼
我看那什么自由亚洲电台说中国可能已经开始隐瞒疫情了。真是...
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Caffeine
26 楼
以下是引用SweetBerry在2009-4-29 7:08:00的发言:

    
    
     你想太多了吧,和中国无关的天灾人祸太多了
    
我是说我Jinxed it.
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pellegrino
27 楼
美国的报业应该快点儿破产
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crystalyysu
28 楼
 我觉得这是不是说明美国已经向清政府后期的政策转型了--盲目自大+贬低别人。
自己有能力的政府不会这么做的。
紫衣幽幽
29 楼
这也太离谱了吧,明明是先从墨西哥来的,和中国啥关系
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Iloveshabu
30 楼
他们干脆说地震也传染算了
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bisoubisou
31 楼
k  死都要跟中国沾上边啊
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laner
32 楼
 这样也行,汗...................
蓝色浮游
33 楼
 我不得不用神兽之首来表达此刻的心情
这帮垃圾
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cake1993
34 楼
以下是引用supersuperpanda在2009-4-29 5:15:00的发言:

猪听了,笑了...
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cake1993
35 楼
what are they talking about?
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jessicamoi
36 楼
 
所以说了,美国不是天堂~美国人不是天使~
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summerweed
37 楼
 kao~~~~~~~~~
天底下
38 楼
所谓的新闻自由其实也是有甚多猫腻的,记者们一定要投主编和大众的口味写东西,要么就刊登不了的。看看纽约时报,一年之中有几篇说中国好的呢?这都成“明规则”了!
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lanhua
39 楼
 tong kao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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buzaihu
40 楼
wk, 真够烂的了...这什么逻辑阿
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onebigfamily
41 楼
非常同意,NYTIMES几乎每天都有贬低中国的报道,搞得我现在都不看NYTIMES了。
以下是引用天底下在2009-4-29 8:42:00的发言:


    
    所谓的新闻自由其实也是有甚多猫腻的,记者们一定要投主编和大众的口味写东西,要么就刊登不了的。看看纽约时报,一年之中有几篇说中国好的呢?这都成“明规则”了!
老报纸
42 楼
美国人越这么自以为是,越会遭殃,自己国家都死了一例,还指手画脚别人
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Turboman
43 楼
They're Idiots!
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wwn00
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以下是引用carelesswhisper在2009-4-29 6:17:00的发言:

    
    这篇写的不够耸人听闻,理由也不够有创意,失望啊
    
是呀是呀,憋了好几天就憋出这些理由,真让人失望啊!~~
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abacus007
45 楼
欲加之罪何患无辞,这也能和中国扯上关系,太强大了
 
 
 
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newyork04621
46 楼
见识了美国人的无赖和无耻
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dongbaobao
47 楼
why do they always blame  bad things on  China?!
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babyfaceabc
48 楼
以下是引用jessicamoi在2009-4-29 8:39:00的发言:

    
      
     所以说了,美国不是天堂~美国人不是天使~
    
有那么肥的天使吗?飞不起来。。。也千万别飞, 万一掉下来还砸到无辜人怎么办?
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stroller
49 楼
蠢人干蠢事!
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forrestMM
50 楼
  Many medical historians believe that the Asian and Hong Kong flus started in
  southeastern China near Hong Kong,
  1。 历史上的流感病毒大多由中国南部引起

mm, should you also translate the modifier? it's very misleading....
'历史上亚洲和香港的流感病毒大多由中国南部引起'bah?

[此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-29 10:15:09编辑过]
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lurenyi
51 楼
“Asian and Hong Kong flus ” 不是指在亚洲和香港的流感。而是流感的名字。1918年死了2000万人的西班牙流感,发源于美国,爆发于欧洲。
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bannie
52 楼
以下是引用老报纸在2009-4-29 9:08:00的发言:

美国人越这么自以为是,越会遭殃,自己国家都死了一例,还指手画脚别人
死的那个小孩,是墨西哥去德州看病的
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serena_long
53 楼
真恶心。。。。。 就知道埋汰别人
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angeliali
54 楼
这个记者是谁,写email过去骂他。估计快要失业了,不写点吸引眼球的,饭都没得吃。
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WEILIU
55 楼
 这种烂记者,肯定有报应的.小猪猪流感快传啊,让那些坏人倒霉去吧
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vivimm
56 楼
美国有些玩权的人真是没有人性
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oyzz
57 楼
以下是引用angeliali在2009-4-29 9:55:00的发言:

    
     这个记者是谁,写email过去骂他。估计快要失业了,不写点吸引眼球的,饭都没得吃。
    
失业还早呢。。。 Keith Bradsher has been the Hong Kong bureau chief of The New York Times since 2002, covering Asian business, economic, political and science news. Previously, he was the Detroit bureau chief, covering automakers since 1996. Keith was a Washington correspondent from 1991 through 1995, covering international economics and then domestic economics. He joined the Times in 1989, covering the airline industry and then telecommunications in New York. Keith won the George Polk Award for national reporting for his coverage of sport utility vehicles in 1997 and was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize the same year. Public Affairs published his book on SUV's, "High and Mighty," in September 2002 and it won the New York Public Library Helen Bernstein Award. He won the Society of Publishers in Asia award for explanatory reporting in 2006 as part of a three-reporter team that covered avian influenza in Asia.
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howareu
58 楼
 kao欠抽。。。
芝麻開門
59 楼
两年前的猪瘟两年后才到墨西哥?那肯定是猪哥游泳偷渡到墨西哥的,不然哪用两年啊? 那发瘟的猪哥也不懂事, 你要偷渡就偷渡到美国嘛, 现在这个世界还有谁能比它更无赖的吗?
鹅毛大雨
60 楼
祝愿这个记者早日得上猪流感.
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oyzz
61 楼
以下是引用鹅毛大雨在2009-4-29 10:19:00的发言:

    
    祝愿这个记者早日得上猪流感.

    
不行,这个记者常驻香港的,得等他去了别的地方再说。
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debbiepeng
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以下是引用芝麻開門在2009-4-29 10:16:00的发言:

    
     两年前的猪瘟两年后才到墨西哥?那肯定是猪哥游泳偷渡到墨西哥的,不然哪用两年啊? 那发瘟的猪哥也不懂事, 你要偷渡就偷渡到美国嘛, 现在这个世界还有谁能比它更无赖的吗?
    
re this one~
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.oOOo.
63 楼
 马勒隔壁的!
这个记者最好赶紧给我得猪流感
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seabluepp
64 楼
真是帝国主义亡我之心不死
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dancebutterfly
65 楼
我可怜的祖国,总是被欺负,背黑祸
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buringsnow
66 楼
前天还在想,这等“好”事,怎么把中国忘了?不符合规律啊!
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lulutea
67 楼
 这个也太搞了吧,这也能扯到咱们头上?
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geting
68 楼
真是tmd sb!给他两片药死了得了。
骂出来真爽啊。
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doulaAmeng
69 楼
这是什么逻辑
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aeolous
70 楼
以下是引用doulaAmeng在2009-4-29 10:55:00的发言:

    
    这是什么逻辑
    

    


re脑子有坑
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baby.chen
71 楼
其实是帝国主义看中国发展的好所以不爽
他们咋不去blame非洲呢

所以大家应该高兴才是
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ggtt
72 楼
tmd nc...........
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swing03
73 楼
以下是引用BaiJuYi在2009-4-29 2:09:00的发言:

    
    
     就因为你太忍耐了,这个世界属于强盗,就像合法移民和非法移民一样。
    
强烈re这个~
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Q小咪
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以下是引用oyzz在2009-4-29 10:21:00的发言:

不行,这个记者常驻香港的,得等他去了别的地方再说。
我要诅咒他近期回美国染猪流感!!!!!!!!!!!!
苜蓿紫
75 楼
 去他爷爷的,去他祖宗的
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EggMM
76 楼
晕倒,太ft了吧~~~
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longnine
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冰糖葫芦
78 楼
以下是引用Iloveshabu在2009-4-29 7:53:00的发言:
他们干脆说地震也传染算了

 
嗯,加州频繁地震,是中国修三峡造成的。
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mimiyang
79 楼
太可恶了
美丽的野猪
80 楼
真无聊啊。。。人都要病死了,还在blame哪国引起的。。。
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madafive
81 楼
What a poor argument....... 
 
Do they have any logic?!
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wintersweety
82 楼
太没逻辑了
下次gre的argue就应该把这个作为题材,让学生们好好批驳批驳
小飞飞
83 楼
以下是引用eustis在2009-4-29 1:57:00的发言:
 shafa~~~~~
一直不明白为什么自从天朝在1800+年被欺负了开始,
就一直被人骂被歧视
中国人没像犹太人一样敛财,没像日本一样无耻,没像美国一样无赖
招谁惹谁了

说的太好咧
小飞飞
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以下是引用Neverfull在2009-4-29 3:55:00的发言:

就是因为中国没犹大人敛财,没日本无耻,没美国无赖,所以才被欺负的嘛。
哈哈哈哈
小飞飞
85 楼
以下是引用Caffeine在2009-4-29 7:04:00的发言:
ft,我前天还和老公说,总算有一次没说是中国的错。tnnd! 

哈哈哈哈哈,笑死了
细雨梧桐
86 楼
太气愤了!!!
小飞飞
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以下是引用supersuperpanda在2009-4-29 5:15:00的发言:

猪听了,笑了...
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xiaoyagaga
88 楼
让那个blame中国的笨蛋得swine flu先翘掉,kao !
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pinkkitty
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以下是引用Neverfull在2009-4-29 3:55:00的发言:

    
    

就是因为中国没犹大人敛财,没日本无耻,没美国无赖,所以才被欺负的嘛。
    
不是有句话来着,卑鄙是卑鄙者的通行证,高尚是高尚者的墓志铭。
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xiaoyagaga
90 楼
以下是引用francesjj在2009-4-29 12:09:00的发言:

    
    
      
     k,他们就是太自由了,传染病人也有乱窜的自由,所有人都有去疫区的自由。等传染起来后悔就晚了!
    
这个比病毒还可怕,到时候死的都是无辜的百姓。
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lingxuer156
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以下是引用longnine在2009-4-29 11:13:00的发言:

Stupid american
Yesterday I watched the local TV news talking about swine flu, one US reporter asked one mexican woman "where do you think the swine flu started?" The woman said: " I think it's those american tourist!" The reporter asked another man the same question, the man said:" You american always blame us, drugs, swine flu. You know what, I think you guys brought the swine flu viruse!" It was pretty funny.
haha, right
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ellina
92 楼
 太无赖了
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applesmile
93 楼
 有科学根据吗?都是猜联想的吧。
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cherrymonkey
94 楼
猪听了,笑了...
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happyroamer
95 楼
主流媒体都这个德行。。。汗死
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aromasea
96 楼
气死了,美国人的逻辑,欲加之罪何患无辞
泡泡龙
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以下是引用eustis在2009-4-29 1:57:00的发言:

    
     shafa~~~~~
一直不明白为什么自从天朝在1800+年被欺负了开始,
就一直被人骂被歧视
中国人没像犹太人一样敛财,没像日本一样无耻,没像美国一样无赖
招谁惹谁了

    
嫩没听说过,高贵是高贵者的墓志铭,卑鄙是卑鄙者的通行证么?
这就是个流氓社会,谁流氓谁当老大。吗了个巴子的
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keemum
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以下是引用crystalyysu在2009-4-29 7:40:00的发言:

    
     我觉得这是不是说明美国已经向清政府后期的政策转型了--盲目自大+贬低别人。
自己有能力的政府不会这么做的。

    
同感~

闭目塞听
涟漪
99 楼
tnnd
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keemum
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以下是引用芝麻開門在2009-4-29 10:16:00的发言:

    
     两年前的猪瘟两年后才到墨西哥?那肯定是猪哥游泳偷渡到墨西哥的,不然哪用两年啊? 那发瘟的猪哥也不懂事, 你要偷渡就偷渡到美国嘛, 现在这个世界还有谁能比它更无赖的吗?
    
笑倒~