为什么没有人觉得BABA和哈桑母亲的事很败笔,很牵强.一个有着那样高尚,或者如其他描写中高尚品格的人是有可能一时不察作出不检点的事.但是很难想象事后他怎样去天天面对阿里这个被他称作兄弟的人.还有哈妈为啥要嫁哈爸,以她的貌美如画和水性扬花?DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.所以对小说人物也没法讨论.因为情节这时候不为人物刻划而服务了.与初衷背道而驰了.小说读者是着迷于戏剧性,但是过于牵强的戏剧性反倒割断小说和读者的联系了. 好多天没来了.就爬了后面几页.前面的讨论有功夫再补.
为什么没有人觉得BABA和哈桑母亲的事很败笔,很牵强.一个有着那样高尚,或者如其他描写中高尚品格的人是有可能一时不察作出不检点的事.但是很难想象事后他怎样去天天面对阿里这个被他称作兄弟的人.还有哈妈为啥要嫁哈爸,以她的貌美如画和水性扬花?DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.所以对小说人物也没法讨论.因为情节这时候不为人物刻划而服务了.与初衷背道而驰了.小说读者是着迷于戏剧性,但是过于牵强的戏剧性反倒割断小说和读者的联系了. 好多天没来了.就爬了后面几页.前面的讨论有功夫再补.
为什么没有人觉得BABA和哈桑母亲的事很败笔,很牵强.一个有着那样高尚,或者如其他描写中高尚品格的人是有可能一时不察作出不检点的事.但是很难想象事后他怎样去天天面对阿里这个被他称作兄弟的人.还有哈妈为啥要嫁哈爸,以她的貌美如画和水性扬花?DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.所以对小说人物也没法讨论.因为情节这时候不为人物刻划而服务了.与初衷背道而驰了.小说读者是着迷于戏剧性,但是过于牵强的戏剧性反倒割断小说和读者的联系了. 好多天没来了.就爬了后面几页.前面的讨论有功夫再补. 我也有过同样的疑问。有没有这种可能，就是BABA知道阿里不能生育，觉得他一个人很可怜，很孤单，所以就给了他一个孩子。只要阿里不知道这件事情，阿里就可以做一个快乐的父亲。我知道这个解释太荒谬
Character List Ali: Hassan's father. Ali is a Hazara whom Baba's father took in when his parents were killed. He grew up alongside Baba just as Hassan did alongside Amir. Ali has a crippled leg and paralysis in his lower face muscles and the neighborhood children ridicule him. He is as devoted and loyal as his son. Ali is killed by a land mine when Hassan is already grown.
Amir: The story's narrator and protagonist. He is an Afghan man who had a privileged childhood in the Wazir Akbar Khan neighborhood of Kabul. The defining event in his life is his betrayal of his closest friend, Hassan. Amir lives in San Francisco from the age of eighteen. He returns to Afghanistan at the age of thirty-eight and ends up adopting Hassan's orphaned son, Sohrab.
Assef: A sociopath who worships Hitler. As a child, he is the neighborhood bully who rapes Hassan. As an adult, he is a Taliban official who delights in killing people. He keeps Sohrab as a sex slave until Amir comes to rescue him. After he beats Amir nearly to death, Assef loses an eye to Sohrab's slingshot. It is possible that Hosseini based the character of Assef on the reclusive one-eyed Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.
Baba: Amir's father. He is a wealthy and well-respected man with a dark secret; he had an affair with Ali's wife and Hassan is his illegitimate son. Baba wishes Amir were braver and stronger and that he could openly express his love for Hassan. Baba dies of terminal cancer in San Francisco shortly after Amir's wedding.
Farid: The Afghan man who drives Amir from Peshawar to Kabul and ends up helping him throughout his journey. He was injured fighting against the Soviets and is fiercely proud of his loyalty to Afghanistan. He saves Amir by taking him to a hospital in Pakistan.
General Taheri: Soraya's father. He is a former general who prefers collecting welfare to lowering himself to a blue collar job. He waits every day to be called back to Afghanistan.
Hassan: Amir's most loyal and devoted servant, who is born with a clept lip. He and Amir were nursed by the same woman and, unbeknownst to them both, they are half-brothers. Hassan is illiterate but smart and stands up for others. He is also the best kite runner in Kabul. He dies at the hands of the Taliban, defending Baba's house from takeover.
Khanum Taheri: Soraya's mother. She is a kind woman who likes to sing, although her husband does not let her. She became a hypochondriac after suffering a stroke and loves Amir all the more for listening to her describe her ailments.
Omar Faisal: A lawyer who counsels Amir that his best chance is to place Sohrab in an orphanage temporarily. He was raised in America but speaks perfect Farsi.
Rahim Khan: Baba's closest friend and Amir and Hassan's confidant. He has an uncanny way of knowing what people are thinking and how to speak to them. He is one of the few people who knows Hassan's real identity and about his rape. He encourages Amir to be a writer by giving him a notebook and it is he who summons Amir back to Afghanistan to atone for his and Baba's sins.
Raymond Andrews: The official at the American Embassy who urges Amir to give up trying to rescue Sohrab. Amir thinks he is cruel and does not understand wanting a child until the secretary tells him that Raymond Andrews's daughter committed suicide.
Sanaubar: Hassan's mother. She was Ali's notoriously beautiful first cousin and second wife, who ran off with a troupe of dancers. She refused to even hold Hassan when he was born. Years later, she returns to Wazir Akbar Khan to beg forgiveness from Hassan and ends up helping raise Sohrab. She dies peacefully when he is four.
Sofia Akrami: Amir's mother, who died in childbirth. She was a professor of literature at the university and her books inspire Amir to become a writer.
Sohrab: Hassan and Farzana's son. After his parents are murdered, he stays in an orphanage in Karteh-Seh. Then he is a sex slave to Assef until Amir rescues him. Sohrab tries to commit suicide after Amir tells him he may have to stay in an orphanage again. Eventually, Amir and Soraya bring him to America and adopt him.
Soraya: Amir's wife. She shamed her family as a young woman by running off with a man. She takes care of Baba when he is ill and eagerly accepts Sohrab into her family.
Wahid: Farid's brother. When Amir stays at his house, Wahid is kind to him and does not judge him for being American. He calls Amir "a true Afghan."
1. From what year does Amir narrate the story? 2002. 2007. 1975. 1996. 2. What does Rahim Khan say to Amir over the phone? "The harelipped kite runner." "There is a way to be good again." "For you, a thousand times over." "Let's go fly a kite." 3. Which of the following did Baba NOT do? Throw frequent dinner parties. Build an orphanage. Miss Hassan's birthday. Neglect Amir. 4. How did Amir's mother die? Peacefully, in her sleep. In childbirth. Of cancer. The Taliban shot her. 5. What was Amir's mother's name? Sohrab Sasa Sofia Sanaubar 6. What was Amir's mother's profession? Physician. Teacher. Servant. Novelist. 7. What key concept distinguishes Sunni and Shi'a Islam? Caliphate. Mosques. Praying towards Mecca. Muhammad. 8. According to Ali, why did Amir and Hassan have a special kinship? They were nursed by the same woman. They were half-brothers. They both loved the story of Sohrab and Rostam. They were the city's champion kite fighters. 9. How were Amir and Hassan really related? They were half-brothers. They were kite fighting opponents. They were schoolmates. They were both Baba's servants. 10. How did Sanaubar treat Hassan when he was born? She told him stories. She read him poems. She mourned for him. She rejected him.
11. How were Ali and Sanaubar related? Cousins and Spouses. Cousins and fellow professors. Cousins. Spouses. 12. The term "Hazara" describes whom of the following? Baba. Assef. Ali. Rahim Khan. 13. What does Amir call Assef in retrospect? A Hazara. A harelipped kite runner. A sociopath. A true Afghan. 14. What was Amir's first word? "Hassan." "Baba." "Sasa." "Amir." 15. What was Hassan's first word? "Amir." "Book." "Kite." "Ali." 16. How did Amir learn about Hazara history? Assef told him. He secretly read a book. Baba told him. A mullah told him. 17. What is another term for a harelip? A cleft lip. A pomegranate. A mule's lip. A warrior. 18. Baba was rumored to have done what? Married twice. Built a school. Wrestled a bear. Slept with Sanaubar. 19. What is Baba's opinion of the fundamentally religious? He thinks they are crazy. He does not care one way or the other. He thinks they should die. He thinks they are gods. 20. According to Baba, what is the greatest sin? Cheating. Lying. Drinking. Stealing.
21. For what did Amir feel Baba blamed him? Hassan's illiteracy. The corn dying. His mother's death. Assef's bad behavior. 22. As a child, Amir was talented at what? Reciting poetry. Soccer. Fighting. Buzkashi. 23. Whom did Baba see in the bleachers at the Buzkashi game? Zahir Shah. Ronald Reagan. Mohammad Daoud. Henry Kissinger. 24. Who said, "If I hadn't seen the doctor pull him out of my wife with my own eyes, I'd never believe he's my son." Hassan. Baba. Ali. Rahim Khan. 25. How did Ali become an orphan? The Taliban killed his parents. His parents died in an accident. His parents committed suicide. Al Qaeda killed his parents.
我们每次看电影都是自带饮料和零食的
按规矩是不让自带饮料和零食吧
我们每次看电影都是自带饮料和零食的
你们怎么带的，我们这里自己不能带哈，据说查的挺严的
不过我有娃以后没去看过电影
貌似人日本科考团用的狗不是哈士奇
我记得我老公絮叨了很多，我一个也不记得了
听说宠物店买不好,最好上BREEDER那里买.
BEAGLE很聪明的. 瞧人SNOOPY还会写书呢.
金毛就是GOLDEN RETRIEVER.
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我刚知道原来Snoopy是Beagle来着！
不知道我们这里有没有breeder，哎。
你们怎么带的，我们这里自己不能带哈，据说查的挺严的
不过我有娃以后没去看过电影
唉，这也算是我们还没娃的人的一个安慰
我记得我老公絮叨了很多，我一个也不记得了
别的我就不知道了
我看过一英文论坛，有人说南极怎么可能才零下8度，笑死我了
the kite runner我是有些情节泪水打转了一下，只有一两处
marley & me哭的页数不多，不过不好意思，本人放声大哭了
这作者不愧他的职业，确实写的挺好的
给你们打预防针哈
你们看着我上网次数，也知道我现在有多忙了，所以我完全是提前预习，防止十一月十二月我超级忙，不是为了比速度哈
我现在借了world is flat，好厚，就是想着能看几页看几页，一个月看完是不可能了，万一下下个月看这本我好提前准备
我一个小朋友家里就breed狗狗，她天天追我问要不要她的吉娃娃
可是如果不是什么特殊事情发生，偶不大想主动去买吉娃娃
啥特殊事情? 很好奇.
我一直觉得几娃娃很CREEPY. 尖头尖脑的.
啥特殊事情? 很好奇.
我一直觉得几娃娃很CREEPY. 尖头尖脑的.
就是标志着你跟这个狗有缘分的事情，不是说我想买狗我就去买了，跟walmart似的
就是这个意思
你们怎么带的，我们这里自己不能带哈，据说查的挺严的
不过我有娃以后没去看过电影
我们这里不怎么查，如果是fast food的drink拿在手上也没事，如果是bottle water or soda 就塞在包里。
以前国内的时候查的严，所以我们一定要背大包，看不出包里有没有东西的那种，人多的时候就混进去了。
我们这里不怎么查，如果是fast food的drink拿在手上也没事，如果是bottle water or soda 就塞在包里。
以前国内的时候查的严，所以我们一定要背大包，看不出包里有没有东西的那种，人多的时候就混进去了。
国内这么严啊，我在国内都是自己带东西吃的
另外，我给大家警告一下啊
the kite runner我是有些情节泪水打转了一下，只有一两处
marley & me哭的页数不多，不过不好意思，本人放声大哭了
这作者不愧他的职业，确实写的挺好的
给你们打预防针哈
你们看着我上网次数，也知道我现在有多忙了，所以我完全是提前预习，防止十一月十二月我超级忙，不是为了比速度哈
我现在借了world is flat，好厚，就是想着能看几页看几页，一个月看完是不可能了，万一下下个月看这本我好提前准备
知道会放声大哭，还是想看啊
就像eight below每次看都哭到抽我还买dvd收藏了
自虐啊
唉，这也算是我们还没娃的人的一个安慰
想当年大部分电影偶都是看首映的，不是首映也是在电影院看的
如今啊如今
也是怪我自己，懒得去，其实我真要找个baby sitter或者一个人去看也不是不行
所以表被我吓到哈
知道会放声大哭，还是想看啊
就像eight below每次看都哭到抽我还买dvd收藏了
自虐啊
说到这个，说个笑话，你们知道我为什么当初在电影院看了后天那个电影，就是那个天灾的，the day after tomorrow，后来dvd上市，立马pdpd去买dvd收藏咩？
我都可以想象，Marley and Me 看到后面会怎么样，现在笑的越多，肯定后面越难受。
那个The world is flat就是好厚一本，去拿书的时候把我吓了一跳！
还好了，哭的页数不多不多
而且作者还是很positive的，看完以后还是学到一些道理的
另外，我给大家警告一下啊
the kite runner我是有些情节泪水打转了一下，只有一两处
marley & me哭的页数不多，不过不好意思，本人放声大哭了
这作者不愧他的职业，确实写的挺好的
给你们打预防针哈
你们看着我上网次数，也知道我现在有多忙了，所以我完全是提前预习，防止十一月十二月我超级忙，不是为了比速度哈
我现在借了world is flat，好厚，就是想着能看几页看几页，一个月看完是不可能了，万一下下个月看这本我好提前准备
我都可以想象，Marley and Me 看到后面会怎么样，现在笑的越多，肯定后面越难受。
那个The world is flat就是好厚一本，去拿书的时候把我吓了一跳！
想当年大部分电影偶都是看首映的，不是首映也是在电影院看的
如今啊如今
也是怪我自己，懒得去，其实我真要找个baby sitter或者一个人去看也不是不行
所以表被我吓到哈
我打从中学毕业以后没有学校组织看电影这事了，进电影院看的所有电影都是和老公一起看的，不敢想象自己去看
别的我就不知道了
我看过一英文论坛，有人说南极怎么可能才零下8度，笑死我了
可能说的是华氏零下8度吧. 美国人对摄氏没有概念.
听说这是个真实故事,实际上好像没有活下来那么多条狗,大多数死了.
说到这个，说个笑话，你们知道我为什么当初在电影院看了后天那个电影，就是那个天灾的，the day after tomorrow，后来dvd上市，立马pdpd去买dvd收藏咩？
想不通
说到这个，说个笑话，你们知道我为什么当初在电影院看了后天那个电影，就是那个天灾的，the day after tomorrow，后来dvd上市，立马pdpd去买dvd收藏咩？
为什么？
那个The day after tomorrow还是挺好看的！我记得还有一个讲登山救援的电影，好像中文叫什么垂直极限，也挺不错的。
可能说的是华氏零下8度吧. 美国人对摄氏没有概念.
听说这是个真实故事,实际上好像没有活下来那么多条狗,大多数死了.
不是，电影题目就是指扔到地上8只狗
南极冬天的温度可比摄氏华氏零下8度都低多了
为什么？
那个The day after tomorrow还是挺好看的！我记得还有一个讲登山救援的电影，好像中文叫什么垂直极限，也挺不错的。
垂直极限我也喜欢，不过有些镜头看的我发毛
后天，我收藏的原因是，在电影院看的漫天冰雪就觉得很chilly，所以我买回来，大夏天的把窗帘都拉上，阴森森的在家看，有降温消暑的作用。。。。。。
垂直极限我也喜欢，不过有些镜头看的我发毛
后天，我收藏的原因是，在电影院看的漫天冰雪就觉得很chilly，所以我买回来，大夏天的把窗帘都拉上，阴森森的在家看，有降温消暑的作用。。。。。。
………………
………………
我做饭去了。。。
不是，电影题目就是指扔到地上8只狗
南极冬天的温度可比摄氏华氏零下8度都低多了
明白了.
那个电影我也是憋半天,最后才看,就是怕难受.
我看那个企鹅的电影，看碟的，看的心里就怪难受的，正好又是第一年当妈的时候看的，感觉心有戚戚，都不敢看第二遍。
哪个？记录片那个？
哪个？记录片那个？
恩，就是讲企鹅抚养小企鹅的纪录片那个
不是那些什么surf up之类的
我做饭去了。。。
你家开饭真早
我也做饭去
恩，就是讲企鹅抚养小企鹅的纪录片那个
不是那些什么surf up之类的
surf up我也挺喜欢的，我觉得比happy feet好看
可能说的是华氏零下8度吧. 美国人对摄氏没有概念.
听说这是个真实故事,实际上好像没有活下来那么多条狗,大多数死了.
哎，那么惨呐，没有人性！错了，是狗性！
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垂直极限我也喜欢，不过有些镜头看的我发毛
后天，我收藏的原因是，在电影院看的漫天冰雪就觉得很chilly，所以我买回来，大夏天的把窗帘都拉上，阴森森的在家看，有降温消暑的作用。。。。。。
你好强！
哎，那么惨呐，没有人性！错了，是狗性！
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跟人性狗性有什么关系？
我喜欢金毛
金毛太friendly了，不能看家
我家那京巴，唉，这么说吧，平时有人敲门她也叫得凶着呢，可是我要是白天不舒服在家睡觉，外人进屋她都一声不吭，怕吵到我
这么聪明
最近那个吉娃娃的电影你们看了没？
我怎么看到这种狗装人的电影就不感兴趣，甚至厌烦呢
可是前两年那个eight below，我看一次哭一次，哭道抽
那个电影挺恶的，我只看了trailer
我老公，高血脂，就这体质，不使劲控制都不行
为什么高血脂只能吃全麦？
我们每次看电影都是自带饮料和零食的
我也是
爆米花太咸，可乐的不喝
别的我就不知道了
我看过一英文论坛，有人说南极怎么可能才零下8度，笑死我了
难道是华氏？不过好像还是不够低
随便到处看了几段就爱上了这本书！
国内这么严啊，我在国内都是自己带东西吃的
我在国内看电影是很多年前的事了
还有我朋友家里有大狗，叫大白熊，说是很温顺的，英文叫什么啊？
刚才我做饭前随便翻了一下the world is flat
随便到处看了几段就爱上了这本书！
俺们图书馆没有
而且俺从卓越买了好多中文书呢，再下一本英文书不知道几个月后才能看了
有人知道Labrador Retriever 中文叫什么啊？
还有我朋友家里有大狗，叫大白熊，说是很温顺的，英文叫什么啊？
拉布拉多寻回犬，简称拉布拉多
不知道养狗大概的费用是多少，会不会很多啊！
看书的感觉是，养狗和养小孩没什么两样啊！
不知道养狗大概的费用是多少，会不会很多啊！
多有多花少有少花
有人知道Labrador Retriever 中文叫什么啊？
还有我朋友家里有大狗，叫大白熊，说是很温顺的，英文叫什么啊？
第一个应该是拉布拉多和金色寻回犬的混血吧，不敢肯定
俺们图书馆没有
而且俺从卓越买了好多中文书呢，再下一本英文书不知道几个月后才能看了
买了什么中文书？
第一个应该是拉布拉多和金色寻回犬的混血吧，不敢肯定
那你说拉布拉多的英文名是啥
那你说拉布拉多的英文名是啥
就叫拉布拉多？我不是说了不敢肯定么
我们这里大部分hous的院子都很小，pet shop都是chihuahua 和 Yorkshire 很少看到养大狗的。
文盲我小声说一句：marley and me比追风筝生词多
没错。我都跳过。
我觉得高潮就是矛盾最集中，人物最struggle的时候。
对我来说，小孩子自杀是最让我震惊的地方，后来的自闭让我最心痛。
爸爸和哈垧妈妈的婚外恋最出乎我的意料。
其他的部分，我只感到生活的真实，残酷和无奈。
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12-25
虽然我很喜欢f6，但是ja不是我想象中的女主
我喜欢 Jennifer Connelly，演过美丽心灵里罗素克罗的老婆
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万一有一天我要养狗，我肯定不会花钱去买所谓蓝血狗的，也许会去animal shelter领养一只流浪狗，或者花很少的钱买一只杂种puppy
有人这么劝我。
最近比较忙，不过一定保证定期来。
Marley and me看完了。
阿米尔， 哈桑， 阿里这些都好评价， baba 这个人我觉得很复杂， 我对其他人物评价基本一致没有什么改变， 但是baba这个对我而言，是从一个高高的丰碑开始的， 然后轰然倒塌， 回头想了一下， 又慢慢在废墟中重搭起来， 最后反而成了一个有血有肉的真实的人物。 但是有的时候又很恨。
哈桑我觉得太完美， 他的脸我始终觉得模模糊糊的， 看不清楚。
最后几天了，我想看看大家对baba 这个人怎么评价。
阿米尔， 哈桑， 阿里这些都好评价， baba 这个人我觉得很复杂， 我对其他人物评价基本一致没有什么改变， 但是baba这个对我而言，是从一个高高的丰碑开始的， 然后轰然倒塌， 回头想了一下， 又慢慢在废墟中重搭起来， 最后反而成了一个有血有肉的真实的人物。 但是有的时候又很恨。
哈桑我觉得太完美， 他的脸我始终觉得模模糊糊的， 看不清楚。
我怎么觉得baba那次出轨不算啥大事啊，当时他丧偶，而hassan的妈妈和阿里的婚姻就不是他们自己的选择，说不定hassan妈妈是被迫嫁给阿里的，她没有选择，所以有外心也不能怪她。如果这中间没有复杂的种族问题，让baba认下hassan这个儿子也是可能，小说里不是有人有几个老婆的嘛
我怎么觉得baba那次出轨不算啥大事啊，当时他丧偶，而hassan的妈妈和阿里的婚姻就不是他们自己的选择，说不定hassan妈妈是被迫嫁给阿里的，她没有选择，所以有外心也不能怪她。如果这中间没有复杂的种族问题，让baba认下hassan这个儿子也是可能，小说里不是有人有几个老婆的嘛
我觉得换一个男人这样说都还好说， 但是baba那段关于sin讲的是道貌岸然啊。。
我觉得换一个男人这样说都还好说， 但是baba那段关于sin讲的是道貌岸然啊。。
我怎么觉得还好啊，他说这个话也是他真实想法啊，虽然他有不光彩的过去，可是谁没有呢？
我怎么觉得还好啊，他说这个话也是他真实想法啊，虽然他有不光彩的过去，可是谁没有呢？
我觉得故事是从Amir的视角来描述他心中的BABA, 那些高大的形象也代表了儿子对父亲的崇拜，如果换个视角也许完全不一样了。到他们移民美国，Amir也长大了，Baba也就没有那么高大全了。
那个Baba说sin的事情，其实也很正常，就象我们小时候我们父母总是要教育我们要怎样，怎样，但是很多他们自己也并不能完全做到的。Hassan的妈妈就是个水性扬花的女人，勾引Baba，这个刚丧偶的单身汉也不是件难事。
总是要回到阿富汗，这个民族有他的性格，毫无疑问大部分民族性是男性的特征，道德标准肯定也和我们不一样的。
我觉得换一个男人这样说都还好说， 但是baba那段关于sin讲的是道貌岸然啊。。
我觉得他也是有感于自己的所作所为吧，所以特别注意对儿子的说教。父债子还吧
我觉得故事是从Amir的视角来描述他心中的BABA, 那些高大的形象也代表了儿子对父亲的崇拜，如果换个视角也许完全不一样了。到他们移民美国，Amir也长大了，Baba也就没有那么高大全了。
那个Baba说sin的事情，其实也很正常，就象我们小时候我们父母总是要教育我们要怎样，怎样，但是很多他们自己也并不能完全做到的。Hassan的妈妈就是个水性扬花的女人，勾引Baba，这个刚丧偶的单身汉也不是件难事。
总是要回到阿富汗，这个民族有他的性格，毫无疑问大部分民族性是男性的特征，道德标准肯定也和我们不一样的。
你前面说的父亲形象的我赞同。
不过这句“Hassan的妈妈就是个水性扬花的女人，勾引Baba”，好像我们可以再考量下。Hassan妈妈的形象在故事里面是不丰满的，我们听到的都是别人的声音和叙述，她自己一直都没有表达自己的权利。直到她的回归，她的声音也是absent的。所以我们说她“水性扬花” 猜她“勾引”，都是附庸了故事里面的众人，真正的故事或许只有她与baba两人知晓。
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我觉得换一个男人这样说都还好说， 但是baba那段关于sin讲的是道貌岸然啊。。
不知道为什么，这一段让我想起Gatsby。制定法规的人，如果没有对犯罪的深谙，怎么能够面面俱到。同理，劝导别人发扬道德的人，也许真是基于对自己过往的忏悔，所以感慨至深至切。只怕baba说这段话的时候，心里还是虚的。
你前面说的父亲形象的我赞同。
不过这句“Hassan的妈妈就是个水性扬花的女人，勾引Baba”，好像我们可以再考量下。Hassan妈妈的形象在故事里面是不丰满的，我们听到的都是别人的声音和叙述，她自己一直都没有表达自己的权利。直到她的回归，她的声音也是absent的。所以我们说她“水性扬花” 猜她“勾引”，都是附庸了故事里面的众人，真正的故事或许只有她与baba两人知晓。
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如果换个视角，也许Hassan的妈妈在那个父权社会是努力争取自己的幸福和权利的女人。我说她水性扬花，不是针对他和Baba的事情，而是基于那些大兵对Hassan妈妈的描述。我同意你的说法，她是absent, we shouldn't pass our judgment on her hearsay.
这上一本关于男人的小说，基本上女性角色都不是很丰满，或者说在阿富汗这样的社会，女性社会地位和家庭地位的缺失。
其实男性角色也不算很丰满，除了Amir自己的心路成长和挣扎，其实hassan，baba的角色也没有很多挣扎和描述。
不过还是很喜欢这本啦，虽然不一定会买书收藏，看的时候很抓人，生词也不多，看的不费劲。
总是要回到阿富汗，这个民族有他的性格，毫无疑问大部分民族性是男性的特征，道德标准肯定也和我们不一样的。
对，我觉得就当时来看，和一个下等民族女人发生关系的罪比和有夫之妇通奸的罪大（特别是这个夫只不过是自己仆人）
不知道为什么，这一段让我想起Gatsby。制定法规的人，如果没有对犯罪的深谙，怎么能够面面俱到。同理，劝导别人发扬道德的人，也许真是基于对自己过往的忏悔，所以感慨至深至切。只怕baba说这段话的时候，心里还是虚的。
这个我不是很赞同，我觉得Baba不是个虚伪的人，他对事物都有自己的逻辑和解释，他可以为一个陌生女人放弃自己的生命，何况自己的儿子。我觉得在他的value system里面，这个事情并不需要他去忏悔，也许他不认为Hassa是自己的100%的儿子，Hassan的存在是他自己的错误，或者自己道德丧失的产物。
在中国的小说里不也有很多类似的事情嘛，二房或者姨娘生的孩子，就是低人一等的。
这个我不是很赞同，我觉得Baba不是个虚伪的人，他对事物都有自己的逻辑和解释，他可以为一个陌生女人放弃自己的生命，何况自己的儿子。我觉得在他的value system里面，这个事情并不需要他去忏悔，也许他不认为Hassa是自己的100%的儿子，Hassan的存在是他自己的错误，或者自己道德丧失的产物。
在中国的小说里不也有很多类似的事情嘛，二房或者姨娘生的孩子，就是低人一等的。
我觉得baba也默认阿里hassan他妈是低人一等的，他对阿里的好就是一个主人对仆人的好而已，甚至对hassan也是。不然天天看hassan伺候amir还不要疯掉
我觉得baba也默认阿里hassan他妈是低人一等的，他对阿里的好就是一个主人对仆人的好而已，甚至对hassan也是。不然天天看hassan伺候amir还不要疯掉
或者说女仆人生的儿子，和自己再象再勇敢也还是只能做仆人，女主子生的儿子，再懦弱还是主子。
不过好像和莲妈和luoluo比起来我还是落后了。
那个Marley and Me也很好看，平凡的故事，幽默的口吻讲来很生动，昨天我一口气消灭了一大半，估计这两天就能看完了。
不过好像和莲妈和luoluo比起来我还是落后了。
是挺有意思的，特别是看到marley 被学校开除了，我都乐死了
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那个Marley and Me也很好看，平凡的故事，幽默的口吻讲来很生动，昨天我一口气消灭了一大半，估计这两天就能看完了。
不过好像和莲妈和luoluo比起来我还是落后了。
你下本看啥啊？
我觉得故事是从Amir的视角来描述他心中的BABA, 那些高大的形象也代表了儿子对父亲的崇拜，如果换个视角也许完全不一样了。到他们移民美国，Amir也长大了，Baba也就没有那么高大全了。
那个Baba说sin的事情，其实也很正常，就象我们小时候我们父母总是要教育我们要怎样，怎样，但是很多他们自己也并不能完全做到的。Hassan的妈妈就是个水性扬花的女人，勾引Baba，这个刚丧偶的单身汉也不是件难事。
总是要回到阿富汗，这个民族有他的性格，毫无疑问大部分民族性是男性的特征，道德标准肯定也和我们不一样的。
是了，父母总是希望把孩子教育成一个完美的人
对，我觉得就当时来看，和一个下等民族女人发生关系的罪比和有夫之妇通奸的罪大（特别是这个夫只不过是自己仆人）
我就觉得奇怪，baba为什么不再娶，那么多年一个人确实挺难的
那个Marley and Me也很好看，平凡的故事，幽默的口吻讲来很生动，昨天我一口气消灭了一大半，估计这两天就能看完了。
不过好像和莲妈和luoluo比起来我还是落后了。
你们不能这样的，不能看得这么快
我这样的后进分子不活了
是挺有意思的，特别是看到marley 被学校开除了，我都乐死了
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你们要气死下个月楼长阿，在这个楼里就开始剧透
我还一直忍着没看呢
您亏了
你下本看啥啊？
下本看The world is flat. 我还有A year in Provence在那里呢，不过应该可以续借很多次，不着急。
你们不能这样的，不能看得这么快
我这样的后进分子不活了
是因为Marlye and Me实在是太好看了，拿起来就放不下了，正好这两天比较空。
而且这本是畅销书嘛，我排了好久才拿到，怕到时间了有人等不能续借，所以也想快点看完，就不用担心了。
气死我了
cft
下本看The world is flat. 我还有A year in Provence在那里呢，不过应该可以续借很多次，不着急。
莲妈好像说也看这个，我就跟着你们了。我的A year in Provence在家睡大觉呢
警告大家，不要在一个人的时候看后面几章，心情会很压抑的。
等11月份和大家再重读前面几章，一起讨论。
好多天没来了.就爬了后面几页.前面的讨论有功夫再补.
为什么没有人觉得BABA和哈桑母亲的事很败笔,很牵强.一个有着那样高尚,或者如其他描写中高尚品格的人是有可能一时不察作出不检点的事.但是很难想象事后他怎样去天天面对阿里这个被他称作兄弟的人.还有哈妈为啥要嫁哈爸,以她的貌美如画和水性扬花?DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.所以对小说人物也没法讨论.因为情节这时候不为人物刻划而服务了.与初衷背道而驰了.小说读者是着迷于戏剧性,但是过于牵强的戏剧性反倒割断小说和读者的联系了.
好多天没来了.就爬了后面几页.前面的讨论有功夫再补.
baba就是当阿里是仆人啊，他没当阿里是平等的人,包括hassan
哈妈和哈爸是first cousin,按照他们的风俗，就该他们结婚
是因为Marlye and Me实在是太好看了，拿起来就放不下了，正好这两天比较空。
而且这本是畅销书嘛，我排了好久才拿到，怕到时间了有人等不能续借，所以也想快点看完，就不用担心了。
今天晚上找这本书， 找得我好苦， 在我一大堆书的下面， 就是忍着想等11月在看。。。。
今天晚上找这本书， 找得我好苦， 在我一大堆书的下面， 就是忍着想等11月在看。。。。
掉到第二页了，赶紧踢一脚。
Marley and Me对我来说也是一本拿起来就放不下的书。
A year in Provence更适合悠闲的读，慢慢的品位，不过对我来说，生词也实在是太多，不光有英文还有法文。
为什么没有人觉得BABA和哈桑母亲的事很败笔,很牵强.一个有着那样高尚,或者如其他描写中高尚品格的人是有可能一时不察作出不检点的事.但是很难想象事后他怎样去天天面对阿里这个被他称作兄弟的人.还有哈妈为啥要嫁哈爸,以她的貌美如画和水性扬花?DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.所以对小说人物也没法讨论.因为情节这时候不为人物刻划而服务了.与初衷背道而驰了.小说读者是着迷于戏剧性,但是过于牵强的戏剧性反倒割断小说和读者的联系了.
好多天没来了.就爬了后面几页.前面的讨论有功夫再补.
我也有过同样的疑问。有没有这种可能，就是BABA知道阿里不能生育，觉得他一个人很可怜，很孤单，所以就给了他一个孩子。只要阿里不知道这件事情，阿里就可以做一个快乐的父亲。我知道这个解释太荒谬
我觉得baba也默认阿里hassan他妈是低人一等的，他对阿里的好就是一个主人对仆人的好而已，甚至对hassan也是。不然天天看hassan伺候amir还不要疯掉
我觉得不完全是这样的。在那个社会里，表面上主仆关系不可逾越，但在内心里，我觉得他对阿里还是有兄弟之情的，把他当作自己的家人看待。至于哈森，他还是很爱他的，否则他就不会每次都记得他的生日，给他买生日礼物。在AMIR提出要换一个仆人的时候，他就不会很生气地说“哈森那里都不去，这就是他的家”。还有，在AMIR毕业的那天晚上，他就不会很遗憾的说'我希望此时哈森和我们在一起“。但是这种爱只能藏在内心里。如果大家知道哈森是他的孩子，首先这是一件很不名誉的事，其次，他会伤透阿里的心，剥夺了阿里做父亲的权利。哈森给阿里带来了无穷的乐趣。
最后几天了，我想看看大家对baba 这个人怎么评价。
阿米尔， 哈桑， 阿里这些都好评价， baba 这个人我觉得很复杂， 我对其他人物评价基本一致没有什么改变， 但是baba这个对我而言，是从一个高高的丰碑开始的， 然后轰然倒塌， 回头想了一下， 又慢慢在废墟中重搭起来， 最后反而成了一个有血有肉的真实的人物。 但是有的时候又很恨。
哈桑我觉得太完美， 他的脸我始终觉得模模糊糊的， 看不清楚。
完全同意！
我觉得他也许不一定长得很帅（塌鼻子--很难是帅哥)但是会长着一张很舒服，很亲切的脸。眼睛清澈透明，笑容灿烂。所以我觉得电影中哈森的长相与我想象中的哈森相去甚远，虽然他也长者塌鼻子。
baba哭着喊着让ali和hassan留下，ali一意孤行要走，要是他知道真相，那简直是令人发指的抢儿子行为，和拐卖人口差不多了
我觉得阿里不知道。
雅虎回答上有这个， 我早上才发现， 就有study guide
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080813124145AAraJBu
http://us.penguingroup.com/static/pdf/teachersguides/kiterunnertg0110a.pdf
http://www.gradesaver.com/classicnotes/titles/kiterunner/
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Ali: Hassan's father. Ali is a Hazara whom Baba's father took
in when his parents were killed. He grew up alongside Baba just as
Hassan did alongside Amir. Ali has a crippled leg and paralysis in his
lower face muscles and the neighborhood children ridicule him. He is as
devoted and loyal as his son. Ali is killed by a land mine when Hassan
is already grown.
Amir: The story's narrator and protagonist. He is an Afghan
man who had a privileged childhood in the Wazir Akbar Khan neighborhood
of Kabul. The defining event in his life is his betrayal of his closest
friend, Hassan. Amir lives in San Francisco from the age of eighteen.
He returns to Afghanistan at the age of thirty-eight and ends up
adopting Hassan's orphaned son, Sohrab.
Assef: A sociopath who worships Hitler. As a child, he is the
neighborhood bully who rapes Hassan. As an adult, he is a Taliban
official who delights in killing people. He keeps Sohrab as a sex slave
until Amir comes to rescue him. After he beats Amir nearly to death,
Assef loses an eye to Sohrab's slingshot. It is possible that Hosseini
based the character of Assef on the reclusive one-eyed Taliban leader,
Mullah Omar.
Baba: Amir's father. He is a wealthy and well-respected man
with a dark secret; he had an affair with Ali's wife and Hassan is his
illegitimate son. Baba wishes Amir were braver and stronger and that he
could openly express his love for Hassan. Baba dies of terminal cancer
in San Francisco shortly after Amir's wedding.
Farid: The Afghan man who drives Amir from Peshawar to Kabul
and ends up helping him throughout his journey. He was injured fighting
against the Soviets and is fiercely proud of his loyalty to
Afghanistan. He saves Amir by taking him to a hospital in Pakistan.
General Taheri: Soraya's father. He is a former general who
prefers collecting welfare to lowering himself to a blue collar job. He
waits every day to be called back to Afghanistan.
Hassan: Amir's most loyal and devoted servant, who is born
with a clept lip. He and Amir were nursed by the same woman and,
unbeknownst to them both, they are half-brothers. Hassan is illiterate
but smart and stands up for others. He is also the best kite runner in
Kabul. He dies at the hands of the Taliban, defending Baba's house from
takeover.
Khanum Taheri: Soraya's mother. She is a kind woman who likes
to sing, although her husband does not let her. She became a
hypochondriac after suffering a stroke and loves Amir all the more for
listening to her describe her ailments.
Omar Faisal: A lawyer who counsels Amir that his best chance
is to place Sohrab in an orphanage temporarily. He was raised in
America but speaks perfect Farsi.
Rahim Khan: Baba's closest friend and Amir and Hassan's
confidant. He has an uncanny way of knowing what people are thinking
and how to speak to them. He is one of the few people who knows
Hassan's real identity and about his rape. He encourages Amir to be a
writer by giving him a notebook and it is he who summons Amir back to
Afghanistan to atone for his and Baba's sins.
Raymond Andrews: The official at the American Embassy who
urges Amir to give up trying to rescue Sohrab. Amir thinks he is cruel
and does not understand wanting a child until the secretary tells him
that Raymond Andrews's daughter committed suicide.
Sanaubar: Hassan's mother. She was Ali's notoriously
beautiful first cousin and second wife, who ran off with a troupe of
dancers. She refused to even hold Hassan when he was born. Years later,
she returns to Wazir Akbar Khan to beg forgiveness from Hassan and ends
up helping raise Sohrab. She dies peacefully when he is four.
Sofia Akrami: Amir's mother, who died in childbirth. She was
a professor of literature at the university and her books inspire Amir
to become a writer.
Sohrab: Hassan and Farzana's son. After his parents are
murdered, he stays in an orphanage in Karteh-Seh. Then he is a sex
slave to Assef until Amir rescues him. Sohrab tries to commit suicide
after Amir tells him he may have to stay in an orphanage again.
Eventually, Amir and Soraya bring him to America and adopt him.
Soraya: Amir's wife. She shamed her family as a young woman
by running off with a man. She takes care of Baba when he is ill and
eagerly accepts Sohrab into her family.
Wahid: Farid's brother. When Amir stays at his house, Wahid
is kind to him and does not judge him for being American. He calls Amir
"a true Afghan."
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我觉得不完全是这样的。在那个社会里，表面上主仆关系不可逾越，但在内心里，我觉得他对阿里还是有兄弟之情的，把他当作自己的家人看待。至于哈森，他还是很爱他的，否则他就不会每次都记得他的生日，给他买生日礼物。在AMIR提出要换一个仆人的时候，他就不会很生气地说“哈森那里都不去，这就是他的家”。还有，在AMIR毕业的那天晚上，他就不会很遗憾的说'我希望此时哈森和我们在一起“。但是这种爱只能藏在内心里。如果大家知道哈森是他的孩子，首先这是一件很不名誉的事，其次，他会伤透阿里的心，剥夺了阿里做父亲的权利。哈森给阿里带来了无穷的乐趣。
当初amir的爷爷把阿里带回家，我还以为当儿子养呢，后来一看，就是一仆人。amir的爷爷对阿里也是很好的，但这种好不是父亲对儿子的好。baba对hassan可能还要好一些，毕竟有血缘关系，可是也没有逾越主人对仆人的好。他所谓的family就是让阿里hassan他们一代代在他们家做仆人，接受这所谓的好。要不是打仗，hassan的儿子还是要在他家做仆人的。
The Kite Runner Quiz 1
1. From what year does Amir narrate the story? 2002. 2007. 1975. 1996.
2. What does Rahim Khan say to Amir over the phone? "The harelipped kite runner." "There is a way to be good again." "For you, a thousand times over." "Let's go fly a kite."
3. Which of the following did Baba NOT do? Throw frequent dinner parties. Build an orphanage. Miss Hassan's birthday. Neglect Amir.
4. How did Amir's mother die? Peacefully, in her sleep. In childbirth. Of cancer. The Taliban shot her.
5. What was Amir's mother's name? Sohrab Sasa Sofia Sanaubar
6. What was Amir's mother's profession? Physician. Teacher. Servant. Novelist.
7. What key concept distinguishes Sunni and Shi'a Islam? Caliphate. Mosques. Praying towards Mecca. Muhammad.
8. According to Ali, why did Amir and Hassan have a special kinship? They were nursed by the same woman. They were half-brothers. They both loved the story of Sohrab and Rostam. They were the city's champion kite fighters.
9. How were Amir and Hassan really related? They were half-brothers. They were kite fighting opponents. They were schoolmates. They were both Baba's servants.
10. How did Sanaubar treat Hassan when he was born? She told him stories. She read him poems. She mourned for him. She rejected him.
12. The term "Hazara" describes whom of the following? Baba. Assef. Ali. Rahim Khan.
13. What does Amir call Assef in retrospect? A Hazara. A harelipped kite runner. A sociopath. A true Afghan.
14. What was Amir's first word? "Hassan." "Baba." "Sasa." "Amir."
15. What was Hassan's first word? "Amir." "Book." "Kite." "Ali."
16. How did Amir learn about Hazara history? Assef told him. He secretly read a book. Baba told him. A mullah told him.
17. What is another term for a harelip? A cleft lip. A pomegranate. A mule's lip. A warrior.
18. Baba was rumored to have done what? Married twice. Built a school. Wrestled a bear. Slept with Sanaubar.
19. What is Baba's opinion of the fundamentally religious? He thinks they are crazy. He does not care one way or the other. He thinks they should die. He thinks they are gods.
20. According to Baba, what is the greatest sin? Cheating. Lying. Drinking. Stealing.
22. As a child, Amir was talented at what? Reciting poetry. Soccer. Fighting. Buzkashi.
23. Whom did Baba see in the bleachers at the Buzkashi game? Zahir Shah. Ronald Reagan. Mohammad Daoud. Henry Kissinger.
24. Who said, "If I hadn't seen the doctor pull him out of my wife with my own eyes, I'd never believe he's my son." Hassan. Baba. Ali. Rahim Khan.
25. How did Ali become an orphan? The Taliban killed his parents. His parents died in an accident. His parents committed suicide. Al Qaeda killed his parents.