营地组织者的问题，在预料洪水之后，应该强制转移 The girls were reportedly unaccounted for at Camp Mystic, which is located alongside the Guadalupe River in the San Antonio suburb of Hunt, which was hit by up to 10 inches of rain. The all-girls sleep-away camp was evacuated overnight during the storms, however, some of the campers were reportedly left behind.
"At least 13 people have been killed" + "with 23 swept away from girls' summer camp" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14876425/texas-river-guadalupe-flooding-map-live-updates.html
The cost at Camp Mystic in 2024 is $4,375, according to Texas Monthly. A $400 deposit is required upon application, which is fully refundable until March of the year the camper attends. Campers can attend after completing 2nd grade.
查了下 Camp Mystic is a private Christian summer camp for girls. Established in 1926, Mystic is nestled among cypress, live oak, and pecan trees in the hill country of west-central Texas on the banks of the beautiful Guadalupe River. Mystic is located near the geographical center of Texas, 18 miles northwest of Kerrville. The staff at Mystic strives to provide young girls with a wholesome Christian atmosphere in which they can develop outstanding personal qualities and self-esteem. 德州的天气真的是，夏天湿热又有暴雨和洪水，蚊虫也多，冬天又冷室外可以冻坏水管，然后下个雨出现flash flood这样看似乎还没法提前预测准确让受影响地区的人即使撤离？？？这个camp成立了快一百年了不应该是组织不力之类的问题吧？ 希望孩子们是及时撤到安全的地方但是没有信号跟外界联系！！！
pops 发表于 2025-07-04 19:14 "At least 13 people have been killed" + "with 23 swept away from girls' summer camp" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14876425/texas-river-guadalupe-flooding-map-live-updates.html
smiling85ww 发表于 2025-07-04 19:33 查了下 Camp Mystic is a private Christian summer camp for girls. Established in 1926, Mystic is nestled among cypress, live oak, and pecan trees in the hill country of west-central Texas on the banks of the beautiful Guadalupe River. Mystic is located near the geographical center of Texas, 18 miles northwest of Kerrville. The staff at Mystic strives to provide young girls with a wholesome Christian atmosphere in which they can develop outstanding personal qualities and self-esteem. 德州的天气真的是，夏天湿热又有暴雨和洪水，蚊虫也多，冬天又冷室外可以冻坏水管，然后下个雨出现flash flood这样看似乎还没法提前预测准确让受影响地区的人即使撤离？？？这个camp成立了快一百年了不应该是组织不力之类的问题吧？ 希望孩子们是及时撤到安全的地方但是没有信号跟外界联系！！！
这也算人祸吧，大雨天为什么不要求取消camp?特别是河边的camp？ 美国这草台子。 A journalist asked Judge Rob Kelly why the local summer camps were not evacuated after the Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a 'problem' yesterday. 'I can't answer that. I don't know,' Kelly replied. But the reporter pushed back: 'Well, you're the judge, you're the top official here in this county, why can't you answer that? There are kids missing. We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.' Kelly, apparently outraged by the line of questioning, dismissed the reporter, saying: 'We didn't know this flood was coming. 'We didn't know this kind of flood was coming. We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. 'We had no reason to believe that this was going to be anything like whats happened here, none whatsoever.'
sunnyStore 发表于 2025-07-04 20:17 这也算人祸吧，大雨天为什么不要求取消camp?特别是河边的camp？ 美国这草台子。 A journalist asked Judge Rob Kelly why the local summer camps were not evacuated after the Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a 'problem' yesterday. 'I can't answer that. I don't know,' Kelly replied. But the reporter pushed back: 'Well, you're the judge, you're the top official here in this county, why can't you answer that? There are kids missing. We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.' Kelly, apparently outraged by the line of questioning, dismissed the reporter, saying: 'We didn't know this flood was coming. 'We didn't know this kind of flood was coming. We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. 'We had no reason to believe that this was going to be anything like whats happened here, none whatsoever.'
sunnyStore 发表于 2025-07-04 20:17 这也算人祸吧，大雨天为什么不要求取消camp?特别是河边的camp？ 美国这草台子。 A journalist asked Judge Rob Kelly why the local summer camps were not evacuated after the Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a 'problem' yesterday. 'I can't answer that. I don't know,' Kelly replied. But the reporter pushed back: 'Well, you're the judge, you're the top official here in this county, why can't you answer that? There are kids missing. We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.' Kelly, apparently outraged by the line of questioning, dismissed the reporter, saying: 'We didn't know this flood was coming. 'We didn't know this kind of flood was coming. We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. 'We had no reason to believe that this was going to be anything like whats happened here, none whatsoever.'
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/officials-confirm-deaths-after-flash-floods-central-texas-2025-07-04/ July 4 (Reuters) - Torrential rains unleashed deadly flash floods along the Guadalupe River in south-central Texas on Friday, killing at least 13 people and leaving nearly two-dozen girls reported missing from a riverfront summer camp, local authorities said. R.I.P 看视频，这么大的洪水，也敢去那儿summer camp? 负责的官员都是猪头吗？
sunnyStore 发表于 2025-07-04 20:17 这也算人祸吧，大雨天为什么不要求取消camp?特别是河边的camp？ 美国这草台子。 A journalist asked Judge Rob Kelly why the local summer camps were not evacuated after the Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a 'problem' yesterday. 'I can't answer that. I don't know,' Kelly replied. But the reporter pushed back: 'Well, you're the judge, you're the top official here in this county, why can't you answer that? There are kids missing. We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.' Kelly, apparently outraged by the line of questioning, dismissed the reporter, saying: 'We didn't know this flood was coming. 'We didn't know this kind of flood was coming. We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. 'We had no reason to believe that this was going to be anything like whats happened here, none whatsoever.'
这也算人祸吧，大雨天为什么不要求取消camp?特别是河边的camp？ 美国这草台子。 A journalist asked Judge Rob Kelly why the local summer camps were not evacuated after the Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a 'problem' yesterday. 'I can't answer that. I don't know,' Kelly replied. But the reporter pushed back: 'Well, you're the judge, you're the top official here in this county, why can't you answer that? There are kids missing. We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.' Kelly, apparently outraged by the line of questioning, dismissed the reporter, saying: 'We didn't know this flood was coming. 'We didn't know this kind of flood was coming. We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. 'We had no reason to believe that this was going to be anything like whats happened here, none whatsoever.' sunnyStore 发表于 2025-07-04 20:17
所以还是有预警？只是不够严格？ “Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a ''problem'' yesterday.” ''I We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.''
Flood Warning & Mitigation Budget Cuts – Texas (2025) Weakened Flood Warning Systems Raise disaster declaration thresholds to reduce federal aid Transfer or defund critical flood preparedness duties National Weather Service (NWS) staffing cuts in Texas due to federal budget reductions. Less radar maintenance due to budget cutting potentially affecting real-time flood alerts and severe weather warnings.
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how about 印度
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非我族类，连同情心都大减? 好像疫情刚在国内和亚洲爆发时，老美隔岸观火淡定得很，等到欧洲爆发一下子就着急起来，同族代入感
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14876425/texas-river-guadalupe-flooding-map-live-updates.html
德州？ 女童军是吧？
你是好人，有同理心的。这里可有不少反华恨中党，只要大陆有风吹草动，他/她们就积极添油加醋/扑风捉影地攻击。
德州的天气真的是，夏天湿热又有暴雨和洪水，蚊虫也多，冬天又冷室外可以冻坏水管，然后下个雨出现flash flood这样看似乎还没法提前预测准确让受影响地区的人即使撤离？？？这个camp成立了快一百年了不应该是组织不力之类的问题吧？ 希望孩子们是及时撤到安全的地方但是没有信号跟外界联系！！！
你肯定是很少出去野外camping的人，不要把这样的观点和这个accident关联到一起，这种flash flood即使是有干净厕所的那也一样受影响啊，有什么关联呢。 美国的camping activities是和广袤的自然环境以及孩子成长的培养观念有很大关联的，就是鼓励和自然有更close的关系，可以通过这些活动更好的involve和理解自然环境，培养生存能力和对自然的理解与关注。camping活动包括car camping/backpack camping等各种，car camping一般条件会好很多，有时候还有shower room。backpack camping很多时候厕所就是挖个坑底下放些除臭剂的那种，没有水源，要估量好用水量一路背进去。 就事论事的说，厕所条件，和Camping site的安全之间没有直接关联。
怎么看出来 非我族类 同情心大减？陈述事实就是没有同情心？
天，亲友的心都碎了，无法想象家长们的悲痛
Reddit上说老师也就是camp counselor大多是teenagers
camp counselor 很多是高中生和大学生。。。 起码我这边是是这样的，大纽约区。
隔壁才有一个楼，说美国天气预报如何如何的精准
我看了一下下面的新闻,半夜撤退的时候就有23个小孩不见了，camp组织者只公布人数不肯公布名单，然后有一些心碎的父母把自家女孩的照片和联系电话post出来，期望有消息。 换句话说，这23个小孩己经遭难，除非奇迹才能救援。现在救援主要在转移被困的小孩（就是一起撤退的），消失的小孩还没人找。
怎么一下子涨这么猛？！ blessing
消失的孩子可能被树拦住了的，or在哪个地方等待救援，黄金时间不去救就晚了
A journalist asked Judge Rob Kelly why the local summer camps were not evacuated after the Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a 'problem' yesterday. 'I can't answer that. I don't know,' Kelly replied. But the reporter pushed back: 'Well, you're the judge, you're the top official here in this county, why can't you answer that? There are kids missing. We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.' Kelly, apparently outraged by the line of questioning, dismissed the reporter, saying: 'We didn't know this flood was coming. 'We didn't know this kind of flood was coming. We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States. 'We had no reason to believe that this was going to be anything like whats happened here, none whatsoever.'
组织者不看天气预报吗?
哪有自然灾害哪就是shit hole?
也希望这样 直升机有16台救援，drone只有10个。感觉落单了，受伤的小孩很难被找到。 这若在中国，画网格，发动无人机群，一机一网格，倒是一定会找到。 现在天快黑了，找不到就很难了。希望有小孩能逃过这一关。
不，只有德州佛州是，与自然灾害关系不大。 这是本版的ZZZQ论调。
怎么这么快就放弃了? 德州不是也派了许多国民兵去抓非法移民, 这些子弟兵不能赶快去救援? 说不定有孩子被树干拦住，没被冲远，还有救呢! 不要又来祈祷点蜡烛降半旗三部曲，赶快take action地毯式搜索救人，23个孩子啊!
自然灾害多，地方救援不得力的地方，就是shit hole
洪水没办法估计，但是一小时10inch的下水量是知道的， 就算没洪水，那紧挨在河边camp，在河水一下子涨10inch也非常危险。 这悲惨的事情告诉家长，送camp的同时得自己做风险分析，遇到不可抗力，要自己分析，规避风险。
我就是不知道会不会德州这种多雨夏季是不是经常会有一些flooding warning，然后时间久了狼来了这些官员也不当回事了，就以为跟平时下雨一样，就像加州弯曲冬季偶尔来个大气长河经常是发了大动干戈的警报最后发现就是点毛毛细雨，没发啥警报的时候就给你咔咔淹房子啊树倒了砸人砸车各种，狼来了这种事就需要政府部门有能力更强的气象监控人员以及敏感度，其实真的就很像我们看很多影视作品，大家带着上帝视角去看觉得赶紧evacuate啊，然后剧本里的官员会说你能确定么不确定的话你知道做这种决定会带来多少经济损失吗。。。区别是电视里编剧会安排最后化险为夷，有个英雄坚持正确的决定。
我知道龙卷风是不能准确预测的，但是flooding呢？根据地理位置地势、土地结构等等各种地理特点，根据某个时点降雨量的预测不能够提前尽可能准确的判断一个地区出现洪水的可能性么？
这次天气没有预报到。我们就在奥斯丁，离得不远，2号晚上的预报（会cover到事故地区）还是会有点雨，但是不会影响国庆节活动。这两天因为有庆祝活动所以特别留心的。
后来三号都是下了一天淅淅沥沥的雨，我们晚上冒雨出去看烟火，然后回来看新闻，才知道hill country雨势很猛，今天才知道死人了
不知道是不是和NOAA在这里的local搞weather warning的退休了有关： https://www.kxan.com/weather/weather-blog/head-of-local-weather-warnings-takes-early-retirement-as-noaa-cuts-continue/
Rob Kelly这厮脑满肠肥看着就不是个好人，绝对是maga党靠裙带关系升到这个职位的。
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请不要滥用反华恨中。中共借助境外势力积极推翻当初合法的国民政府，也是反华恨中？这个就是政治立场问题，不要混为一谈。
July 4 (Reuters) - Torrential rains unleashed deadly flash floods along the Guadalupe River in south-central Texas on Friday, killing at least 13 people and leaving nearly two-dozen girls reported missing from a riverfront summer camp, local authorities said.
R.I.P
看视频，这么大的洪水，也敢去那儿summer camp? 负责的官员都是猪头吗？
看到你最后一句我有点PTSD反应了：希望跟cut funding没有关系，这种关乎国计民生的funding不能随便cut。
前一阵子还cut了人家气象部门的经费
所以还是有预警？只是不够严格？
“Texas Department of Emergency Management warned of a ''problem'' yesterday.”
''I We knew these camps were in harms way. We knew this flood was coming.''
肯定有关系啊….
为什么撤退的时候就已经有23个小孩不见了，那时候洪水应该还没大到冲走人的地步吧
还有2021年那次暴风雪大停电，冻死了7百人
德吹们 最近好像是消停多了
你是说合法剥削中国人民的政府？把货币整成金圆券的政府？要拿原子弹炸自己同胞的第一夫人的政府？
因为整个camp mystery有不同的营地木屋。有的木屋在高一些地方有的木屋在低一些的地方，当洪水来临，低的直接被淹了，然后就开始大家往高的转移。 现在有家长接到从被困营地救援出来的小孩，开始怼camp组织了。 据说那天早上就有夜里有下大雨的预警，别管美国是不是动不动来个warning，但好歹下雨天不往低地安排人住吧。既然有早上有天气预警，晚上就不应该安排小孩再住在低的营地。他们家小孩获救只是因为恰好不住在低地的camp，而住在低地的20多小孩就这么失踪了（24小时没找到，应该很少有希望了）。其实camp的教练也都是teenager或者大学生，他们可能也不懂，但是赚大头的camp主不应该毫无准备。
勇猛的德州执法者看见小学生被屠杀都在学校外等着
那这完全是人祸，这些孩子太可怜了
够呛，看新闻里的水很大
哎😑
虽然赞同德州的政治很反华，但你喷起来只会造成反面效果。
先问问你哪个州的警察是州政府控制的？ 再问问你这个camp和州政府有何干系？
凶多吉少。这种洪水水很脏, 杂物多。就算会游泳也坚持不了多久。都二十几个小时了。
cabin twins 1,2这木屋一下子被冲垮了，新闻上说，23 people swept away by flash flooding，而且是半夜 而且大部分是才完成2,3年级的小孩。几乎没有任何生还的机会了。 想到那个飞机爆了唯独存活的人，希望也有小孩能就那么幸运吧。
这个小姑娘真的很勇敢而且运气好，大难不死 必有后福
Flood Warning & Mitigation Budget Cuts – Texas (2025)
Weakened Flood Warning Systems Raise disaster declaration thresholds to reduce federal aid Transfer or defund critical flood preparedness duties National Weather Service (NWS) staffing cuts in Texas due to federal budget reductions. Less radar maintenance due to budget cutting potentially affecting real-time flood alerts and severe weather warnings.
唉 这么多人全部生还可能不大。这么小的孩子，太心痛了。我家老大差不多的年纪，我觉得还是不要overnight camp了。各种出意外的可能太多
太好了，希望，希望！