d682la 发表于 2025-07-04 13:35 回复 81楼 catgoose 的帖子 就你那信口开河说建高铁会花36万亿美元的样子,还好意思说别人不懂经济数据。 知道美国建Interstate Highway System花了多少钱吗?知道你也不会去查就以为是天文数字。来来来,看看这和36trillion差几个数量级,呵呵。 The construction of the US Interstate Highway System, completed in 1992, is estimated to have cost over $500 billion in today''s dollars. This makes it one of the largest and most expensive public works projects in history, according to Fortune Financial Advisors and Wikipedia. Here''s a more detailed breakdown: Original cost: The initial cost estimate for the system was around $25 billion. Adjusted for inflation: This amount, when adjusted for inflation to reflect today''s dollars, is significantly higher. Modern estimates: Modern estimates put the total cost at over $500 billion, according to a study by the Federal Highway Administration. Further expansion and maintenance: The system continues to be expanded and maintained, with ongoing federal funding, so the total cost is constantly increasing, notes Wikipedia. 怕你看不懂,这500个billion是考虑了通胀按今天的dollar算的😄
Chatgpt的回答。 1. Geography and Population DensityChina: Dense population clusters and high demand between major cities (e.g. Beijing–Shanghai) make high-speed rail more cost-effective. U.S.: Many U.S. cities are far apart and often less densely populated, making rail less competitive with flying or driving in many regions. 2. Government Investment and PlanningChina: The government directly controls land use, infrastructure, and rail companies. It can quickly approve and fund massive HSR projects. U.S.: Rail development is often handled at the state or local level with limited federal support. Projects face long approval processes, environmental reviews, and legal challenges. 3. Car Culture and Existing InfrastructureU.S.: The U.S. has a strong car culture and an extensive interstate highway system. Many people prefer to drive or fly, and there's little pressure to switch to trains. China: Although car ownership is growing, HSR offers a fast and affordable alternative for millions who don't own cars or want to avoid traffic. 4. Land Acquisition and Legal HurdlesChina: The government can acquire land quickly for infrastructure projects. U.S.: Private land ownership and “not in my backyard” (NIMBY) opposition make it hard to build new rail corridors without lawsuits and delays. 5. Political Will and PrioritiesChina: Building infrastructure is a national priority and often tied to economic development strategies. U.S.: Political support for high-speed rail is inconsistent. Funding is often diverted to roads, airports, or short-term priorities. 6. Private vs. Public SectorChina: Rail is mostly state-owned and operated. U.S.: Most rail is freight-oriented and privately owned. Passenger rail like Amtrak competes with powerful freight companies for track access. 7. Cost and RiskU.S.: High-speed rail is expensive, and with uncertain ridership and long timelines, it's seen as a risky investment. China: Despite the costs, the government is willing to take on debt to support HSR as a long-term strategy for growth and connectivity. Bottom Line: The U.S. faces economic, political, cultural, and logistical barriers that make it much harder to build HSR compared to China. There are some ongoing efforts (like California’s high-speed rail project), but progress is slow.
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纸醉金迷 发表于 2025-07-04 14:58 Parking costs in Manhattan vary widely depending on location, time of day, and whether you choose street parking or a garage. Metered street parking can range from $1.50 to $5.50 per hour, while garage parking can range from $40-$70 or more per day and monthly rates can be anywhere from $450 to $1200 or higher, according to a parking information site.
And you know it sad because I have seen some of the greatest trains I find it fascinating, and I have seen the system and how they work and the bullet trains they call them I guess and yeah, they go unbelievable fast, unbelievable comfortable, with no problem, and we don''t have anything like that in this country not even close, it doesn''t make sense that we don''t have, doesn''t make sense! 猜猜这是谁说的?他应该比你更能代表美国人。
Iwkhx 发表于 2025-07-04 15:50 And you know it sad because I have seen some of the greatest trains I find it fascinating, and I have seen the system and how they work and the bullet trains they call them I guess and yeah, they go unbelievable fast, unbelievable comfortable, with no problem, and we don''t have anything like that in this country not even close, it doesn''t make sense that we don''t have, doesn''t make sense! 猜猜这是谁说的?他应该比你更能代表美国人。
还没出生呢,就不要急忙忙算结婚取媳妇要花多少钱了。先把头一千公里建好,看看对人民有没有好处,人民需要不需要。
中国外地车是不能进北京上海的,但是美国人可以随便开进纽约华盛顿。国情不一样为啥要攀比呢?
既然当年花了很多钱修高速公路,现在也用得很好,为啥还要再花大价钱修高铁? 美国人没有那个虚荣心,啥都要有的。我们只要自己需要的东西,如果大部分美国人都想要高铁,这早就会成为两党竞选总统时候的辩论的热门主题了。
对,美国就是修不起高铁,坐不起,怎么啦?So what? 你厉害你每天多坐几次高铁就好了,你可以幻想我很羡慕你,如果能让你感觉舒服的话,反正我又不在乎。
六万亿而已 你前面说36 万亿打脸了么?还想比照中国四万公里,做什么梦呢? 先在东岸建歌一千公里再说吧…. 那也不贵啊 四十分之一 不至于国家财政崩溃吧? 实在不行 纽约到华盛顿建了也好啊 才330 公里 给以色列和乌克兰的都不止了吧?
1. Geography and Population Density China: Dense population clusters and high demand between major cities (e.g. Beijing–Shanghai) make high-speed rail more cost-effective. U.S.: Many U.S. cities are far apart and often less densely populated, making rail less competitive with flying or driving in many regions. 2. Government Investment and Planning China: The government directly controls land use, infrastructure, and rail companies. It can quickly approve and fund massive HSR projects. U.S.: Rail development is often handled at the state or local level with limited federal support. Projects face long approval processes, environmental reviews, and legal challenges. 3. Car Culture and Existing Infrastructure U.S.: The U.S. has a strong car culture and an extensive interstate highway system. Many people prefer to drive or fly, and there's little pressure to switch to trains. China: Although car ownership is growing, HSR offers a fast and affordable alternative for millions who don't own cars or want to avoid traffic. 4. Land Acquisition and Legal Hurdles China: The government can acquire land quickly for infrastructure projects. U.S.: Private land ownership and “not in my backyard” (NIMBY) opposition make it hard to build new rail corridors without lawsuits and delays. 5. Political Will and Priorities China: Building infrastructure is a national priority and often tied to economic development strategies. U.S.: Political support for high-speed rail is inconsistent. Funding is often diverted to roads, airports, or short-term priorities. 6. Private vs. Public Sector China: Rail is mostly state-owned and operated. U.S.: Most rail is freight-oriented and privately owned. Passenger rail like Amtrak competes with powerful freight companies for track access. 7. Cost and Risk U.S.: High-speed rail is expensive, and with uncertain ridership and long timelines, it's seen as a risky investment. China: Despite the costs, the government is willing to take on debt to support HSR as a long-term strategy for growth and connectivity. Bottom Line: The U.S. faces economic, political, cultural, and logistical barriers that make it much harder to build HSR compared to China. There are some ongoing efforts (like California’s high-speed rail project), but progress is slow.
学到了美国人泼妇骂街的精髓
美国国家本是资本控制的,不赚钱但利民的事情怎么会做。 本来政府补贴利民工程是多正常的事。生生被版上不知道是资本方还是被洗脑的,给扭曲成高铁不适合美国的言论。
美国人是全世界被洗脑最彻底的一群人,说好听点是单纯,不好听就是弱智
美国韭菜是可以开车进曼哈顿,问题是停得起车,交得起过路过桥费,拥堵费,忍受得了堵车吗?
住在美国大农村的就不说了,光说在曼哈顿上班,住在郊区NJ, CT 长岛的韭菜们,有多少%是开车上班的? 住在曼哈顿的美国韭菜们,有多少%有车?川普这种富豪当然有车有司机
你仔细看看,500billion in today‘s dollar对整个国家的高速公路系统叫很多钱? 大漂亮法案大笔一挥就增加至少3.3个trillion国债。干啥啦? 你的脸可真大,”我们美国人”😄
上海也是外地车不能入上海的吧?开到地铁站然后地铁到市区。
我是美籍当然可以称自己是美国人了,你是美国人吗? 美国人都有投票权,没有人提议高铁,那就是不感兴趣。你有本事让CNN去采访美国人啊,看看有多少人愿意负债建高铁,呵呵。
我也是美籍,不过没有你脸大代表”我们美国人”。还是你有本事,让Fox News去采访美国人啊,看看是愿意为大漂亮法案负债还是为高铁负债的人多。
我说的是旅游的情况,人家纽约居民当然有选择不同交通方式的权利。 我都是开车去纽约啊,曼哈顿的旅馆一个晚上30刀停车费而已。过桥费大概几十刀吧,但是我一家四口开车过去才花两百多的油钱而已,如果坐高铁,来回要六七千美元了,傻子都知道怎么选。 你在国内,从外地去上海或者北京,你能进市区吗?会让你一天交几十块的停车费就行了吗? 这没有可比性因为上海人口要比纽约多得多,所以我理解禁止外地人进北京上海的规则,但是版上很多中国人为啥不能理解美国不需要高铁呢?国情不一致为啥什么都要攀比?
美国人既不要大漂亮法案,也不想要高铁,你可以游说你们当地议员修建高铁啊,在这个版上唧唧歪歪有什么用。
曼哈顿有几家酒店停车一晚上30美元? 黑人区吧?
美国大农村的韭菜到纽约来旅游有几个开车住在曼哈顿的?我几乎没见过
我回国根本不开车,要么打车,包车,高铁,地铁 又不是在美国大农村,不开车出不了门的玉米地
你不想要高铁是你的事,谁还强迫你去坐高铁了?别人愿意坐高铁,你一上来就是攀比,千方百计地想说美国人的想法都和你一样,你才唧唧歪歪吧😄
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旅馆收费稍微便宜点,30刀一个晚上很正常。你不住曼哈顿的酒店不代表别人不会住。
你愿意开车你开车啊 我愿意坐车我坐车🤔 我愿意出这份钱不行么? 纽约到dc的火车不比机票便宜 每次都满满当当的一火车人 每天高峰期一个小时一车 所以你到底替我们这些人操心什么?省什么钱呢?
因为火车票现在也很便宜,如果从纽约到华盛顿高铁收费700刀一个人,你坐吗?
我就住在曼哈顿,每年至少有十几,二十多波朋友,同学到纽约来旅游。开车停在曼哈顿酒店的不到5%
有钱人包车带司机,中产地铁+打车,穷人?酒店都住不起
一听就是没到过纽约旅游的老土。曼哈顿开车自驾便宜?哈哈
你住法拉盛的就别YY曼哈顿的旅馆了。
因为你的同学都是国内来的,他们怎么自驾?美国汽油多少钱?自驾当然是最便宜的方式了,但是太远的我们会坐飞机。
在美国修高铁的问题是,要是票价比Uber 还贵的时候,还有没有人坐?
耐心等几年,等自动驾驶成熟,就没有长途开车的痛苦了
住的稀稀疏疏不得都去机场坐飞机? 哈哈哈
几个大城市之间弄个高铁不香吗
只要多花钱,我包飞机得了,还用得上高铁。你一个富人高高在上的样子,跟我们韭菜较啥劲。 富人肯定没想过高铁,出入有专车专人司机。咋会跟韭菜挤高铁。 朱门酒肉臭,路有冻死骨。
我可不是富人,所以我才会算钱。从华盛顿到纽约,一家四口自驾游的话花费两百多美元,四五个小时就到了。如果坐飞机,往返大概一千多美元。也可以承受。如果坐火车,一家四口往返大概七八百美元。如果修建了高铁,按照现在佛罗里达高铁每个英里的费用,这段距离会收六百美元一张单程票,一家四口总共要花费四千多美元!!这是穷人能坐得起的吗?修好了估计真的只有少数富豪能坐得起了。
日本地小人口多,中国地大人口集中度高,都是人口密集,而美国地大人稀,说到底就是人口密度的问题。所以问题是,你需要高铁,但美国不需要
And you know it sad because I have seen some of the greatest trains I find it fascinating, and I have seen the system and how they work and the bullet trains they call them I guess and yeah, they go unbelievable fast, unbelievable comfortable, with no problem, and we don''t have anything like that in this country not even close, it doesn''t make sense that we don''t have, doesn''t make sense!
猜猜这是谁说的?他应该比你更能代表美国人。
所以按资本家赚钱方式建高铁是不可能的。你一定要按资本赚钱模式收取高铁票价,那还有啥好说。 中国刚建高铁也是亏钱的,形成规模效益后才赚钱,利国利民。 一个国家只看眼前的蝇头小利,注定要败落。
你就代表一只美华而已。我大半辈子在美国早就是美籍了,我们美国人不需要你来代表
这段正在考虑去纽约 来美国二十多年, 还没正式在纽约玩过。 东部州去纽约, 我感觉自驾很恼火, 尤其是找停车的地方。 远不如坐火车过去
就几句客套话你就真的当真了。就好比两个家庭的两个孩子,一个以后要读工科,修了AP Physics C,一个孩子擅长思辨,以后要当律师。对物理不感兴趣,也不想修这门难的物理课,反而修了一些自己感兴趣对自己以后当律师有用的课程。然后这个修了AP Physics C的孩子和家长,到处炫耀这门课多么难,对以后学工科多么重要,然后嘲笑这个学法律的学生为啥不修这门物理课,不修就是代表脑子笨,balabala,结果人家孩子进了藤校成了知名律师。不修物理课也没有影响他的发展。 这个当律师的家长当时可能称赞了一下修物理课的孩子很聪明,客气地说了一下,哎呀我的孩子如果也能修这门物理课就好了。结果这个修物理课的孩子和家长就一直念叨着那个学法律的孩子,说你怎么还不修这门物理课呢?你看你父母都说这门课很好,你不修这门课的话你的人生就完蛋了!结果呢?
高铁是你家开的么? 你说收费700 就700? 你这心也操的太大了吧? 你咋不收一万一位呢?
我们都只有一票而已,但是绝大多数美国人想修高铁吗?想修的话早就成为热门热条呢,每个总统上台反对他的人都会念叨,他不给我们修高铁所以他需要滚蛋,但是事实情况呢?
曼哈顿开车是比较难开一些,但是你可以选择住在新泽西,或者queen,长岛这些地区。坐地铁到曼哈顿也是可以的。我们经常去纽约玩,起码玩了五六次了。住过不同的地方。但是我们都是自驾,因为距离并不远。
就这么简单的道理。
可不是我一个人说的,前面有人贴了AI给的答复,也是说美国的高铁会very very expensive. 中国人力那么便宜,还有政府补贴,高铁的价格都跟飞机票差不多了,你想想美国会多少。
这是川总在2024年八月,总统竞选的interview时讲的。对您不利的话都是不当真了。那么谁的话是当真的?您定个标准。
因为绝大多数美国人没体会过高铁的便利,被政治搞的精疲力尽,被资本控制的政客忽悠下修高铁要亏多少钱,要花多少纳税的钱,就吓唬住了或者被洗脑了。如你,蝇头小利算的清清楚楚,看的明明白白。长期国家大计就看不清或视而不见。
那我举例还举错了,他根本不配当家长,他就是个老年痴呆。你把他的话当真你就是真的傻子,他执政半年说过几句真话啊?呵呵。你真相信他喜欢中国的高铁?如果是奥巴马或者拜登说的我还觉得是有些真诚的,懂王说的话我就呵呵了。
一会儿忽悠说美国地广人稀不需要地铁 一会儿说高铁肯定very very expensive 只有把钱给以色列爹和乌克兰儿子最合适 都被忽悠瘸了 ,韭菜还要为资本主义着想,替他们摇旗呐喊
高铁是另外一个吸血怪兽,美国如果真的被忽悠修了,那才是真的是上当受骗了。幸好美国人民没有上当。
问题是他竞选时说了这些,他被美国人选为总统了。您不是讲美国人的民意吗?他不代表民意,您反而代表了?
哈哈😂他这次被选上是因为他称赞了中国的高铁?要给美国人民修高铁? 笑死人了,你应该去问问MAGA党。 版上不是都在说川粉反对修高铁吗?你们能不能统一一下口径?
难道他是反对修高铁被选上的?
我覺得加州和東北紐約還是可以高鉄的,其他地方真的不需要。可惜加州自己實行不了。
是啊,如果以后自动驾驶真的搞成了,高铁就更加会被淘汰掉了。自动驾驶才是真的又便宜又省事的交通工具。
是哦。以色列爹是犹太资本,乌克兰也符合资本利己。 美国境内所有公众基建设施包括高铁,都是不符合资本利益的。所以全国公路破破烂烂,铁路破破烂烂,地铁破破烂烂,航空飞机破破烂烂…全国实业破烂不说还空心了…
德州三角也是可以的,都是平原难度很低。芝加哥,底特律,印第安纳波利斯,辛辛那提,甚至多伦多这片大湖区大城市群也有可能。
至少版上MAGA党是反对美国修高铁的。我是左派我也反对在美国修高铁,基本上这是很多美国人的共识吧。不管政见如何,都不想多花钱。美国其他州修高铁我也没意见啊,只要不收我的税就行。
美国是不太可能有大规模高铁线路的,只是由铁路私有化决定的。
您有多大样本证明您的看法代表了共识?美国总统都没有您有代表性。就事论事,不要用标签代表观点。您先在华人搞个投票再谈共识。这里多数人和您一样是美国人。
这里大多数都是美国人?哈哈😂美国IP都没几个好吧…… 你应该在Reddit或者Facebook去统计一下才能代表大多数美国人的民意。如果高铁真的是hot topic,早就各个媒体吵翻天了。
自己开车太辛苦,所以需要自动驾驶。高铁比起开车的优势是速度快吧。辛苦是次要的。不然坐大巴就好。
打住了。靠否定达到自我论证,还是主观自我认定的否定,总统不代表民意,别人都不是美国人。。。
最后回你一个贴, 你的观点是川普羡慕中国高铁,打算在美国修高铁,他是因为提出了这个观点,代表了绝大部分美国人的想法才被选上的对吧! 那么他执政半年了,为啥没有炒作这个话题?如果当初他的粉丝们是因为他要给美国修高铁才选他的?那现在为啥不闹?而反对他的人为啥没有抓住他这个小辫子每天攻击他为啥不实现自己当初的诺言不给美国修高铁什么的? 你看看他炒作的到底是什么话题?俄乌问题,关税,非法移民,出生公民权,整顿政府机关,伊朗,等等。这些事情才是美国人民真正关心的事情,所以被他拉出来炒了个遍,而反对他的人,也都是在攻击他这些事情。现在多了一个大美丽方案。 他当初对中国高铁随口说了几句客套话,结果被你说成了他的政见,真是要笑死人了。
那么多美国人反蟆嘎,蟆嘎不还是当了总统?
需不需要和建設的成本和效益是兩回事情 高鐵自然是有方便的地方 只是美國很多地方建高鐵不符合成本效益
美国人民怎么这么可怜,还在等着不知道哪一年普及的自动驾驶来安慰自己?
就算有了自动驾驶,北京到上海的距离,开车13个小时,还不说堵车这些 高铁最快才4个多小时
上海到杭州,开车2个半小时,高铁45分钟
我们美国韭菜就别想高铁了,这一辈子都不可能在美国坐上
什么叫以人为本,国内那种大山里几户人家,就给修路搭桥,牵线牵网络的,肯定让你这个资本家共情不起来。。
住的不集中的确高铁经济效益不好。估计只能靠政府补贴
因为美国人不配
无论是安全性、舒适性、速度,高速铁路都甩高速公路几百个太阳系,美国人没有高铁就承认自己不如别的国家交通方便就行了,别扯淡