意大利也不想呆在北约了 Italian Defence Minister Guido Crosetto called for a rethink of the North Atlantic Alliance in view of the changing balance of power in the world, adding: "NATO no longer makes sense in this form" because the Atlantic region is no longer the centre of world politics. "Once the US and Europe were the center, and now there is everything else that needs to be managed." "The UN has the same importance in the world as Europe, that is, no... less than China, less than India or less than Israel." "We often talk as if we were still living 30 years ago, but everything has changed. We talk about Europe as if Europe matters... But its time has passed, and I say this with sadness. The world has changed."
yunyuning 发表于 2025-06-20 21:46 意大利也不想呆在北约了 Italian Defence Minister Guido Crosetto called for a rethink of the North Atlantic Alliance in view of the changing balance of power in the world, adding: "NATO no longer makes sense in this form" because the Atlantic region is no longer the centre of world politics. "Once the US and Europe were the center, and now there is everything else that needs to be managed." "The UN has the same importance in the world as Europe, that is, no... less than China, less than India or less than Israel." "We often talk as if we were still living 30 years ago, but everything has changed. We talk about Europe as if Europe matters... But its time has passed, and I say this with sadness. The world has changed."
路透社星期四（6月19日）报道，西班牙首相桑切斯致函北约秘书长吕特，请求北约排除西班牙将国防开支目标提高到GDP5%的可能。
根据路透社看到的这封信件，桑切斯要求北约采取更灵活的方案，将国防开支目标列为可选项，或者将西班牙排除在外。
总会有不同意见 这个正常 完全是可以讨论
defense budge 5% of GDP, are you kidding?
可不是，北约增加的军费还不都是来买美国的高价军武。
充实军火库，用来对付
5%太高了。美国军费开支占比也只有3.4%。
确实是，等俄罗斯打到西班牙，就是德法都被灭了，那西班牙也是多余抵抗。其实还有意大利，根本多余加入北约。
又不真的搞国防。就是搂钱，一半孝敬美爹，一半欧洲的上层和军工产业分分，再搞搞宣传，黑黑中俄，骗骗老百姓选票，就得了。
关键西班牙根本不需要被保护，纳粹来投纳粹，俄国来了投俄国，抵抗不如不抵抗，花钱国防根本是吃饱了撑的。
Italian Defence Minister Guido Crosetto called for a rethink of the North Atlantic Alliance in view of the changing balance of power in the world, adding: "NATO no longer makes sense in this form" because the Atlantic region is no longer the centre of world politics. "Once the US and Europe were the center, and now there is everything else that needs to be managed."
"The UN has the same importance in the world as Europe, that is, no... less than China, less than India or less than Israel."
"We often talk as if we were still living 30 years ago, but everything has changed. We talk about Europe as if Europe matters... But its time has passed, and I say this with sadness. The world has changed."
这一点都不奇怪。5% GDP是什么概念？那是正常情况下政府预算的20%-30%。有不少欧洲国家的政府要破产的。
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意大利前总理呼吁召开反北约会议
意大利和西班牙一直被认为是北约国家中反对5%目标的主要力量。对于北约的军费要求，意大利前总理朱塞佩·孔特已发出公开信，计划邀请反对提高军费的欧洲领导人前往北约峰会举办地荷兰海牙，在峰会开始前一天举行反北约会议，预计荷兰社会党将组织这场会议。
孔特在信中写道：“我向所有反对这场鲁莽的军备竞赛的欧洲政治代表发出号召……他们相信捍卫和平与国家间对话的价值观。”
孔特领导的意大利五星运动党透露，参加会议的政党包括德国萨拉·瓦根克内希特联盟、比利时工人党、葡萄牙共产党、塞浦路斯劳动人民进步党、捷克“够了！”党、拉脱维亚为了稳定党和希腊自由航线党等。唯一确认出席的执政党是西班牙执政联盟中的团结运动党。 UQ
好好发展经济才是正道。