Expedited removal allows immigration officers to deport certain noncitizens quickly—without a hearing before an immigration judge 上庭见法官的机会都没有，你和我说due process?? 奥黑那几年，靠expedited removal可是递解出境了百多万非法移民。。 所以我就说，很多事情没必要被媒体牵着鼻子走。。
Namama 发表于 2025-06-14 19:29 Expedited removal allows immigration officers to deport certain noncitizens quickly—without a hearing before an immigration judge 上庭见法官的机会都没有，你和我说due process?? 奥黑那几年，靠expedited removal可是递解出境了百多万非法移民。。 所以我就说，很多事情没必要被媒体牵着鼻子走。。
系统提示：若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjt2Yw5F/ “Jesus was brown. He was NOT orange.” “Slavery was legal once too. Did that make it right? Laws are written by men and easily corrupted by the same men.”
回复 200楼 Namama 的帖子 A l回的 Yes, expedited removal is a practice that has been used in U.S. immigration law since its creation in 1996 through the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA). Every president since has used it to some degree. It allows immigration officers to quickly deport certain noncitizens without a hearing before an immigration judge. People emphasize "due process" during the Trump administration (and since January 2025 in particular) because of the administration's expanded use of expedited removal, extending it beyond the border and to people who have been in the U.S. for up to two years. This broadens the scope of people who can be deported quickly, without a chance to present their case in front of a judge. Here's why this expansion raises due process concerns: Limited Access to Legal Counsel: The rapid nature of expedited removal leaves little time for individuals to find and consult with an attorney. Lack of Judicial Review: Those placed in expedited removal often have no right to challenge their deportation in federal court. Risk of Erroneous Deportations: This abbreviated process increases the likelihood of individuals being wrongly deported, including those with legal status or U.S. citizens. Challenges for Asylum Seekers: Expedited removal can make it difficult for asylum seekers to adequately present their case and navigate the complex legal standards, increasing the risk of being returned to dangerous conditions. In summary, while expedited removal is a historical tool in immigration enforcement, the Trump administration's expansion of the policy raises due process concerns due to the limited procedural safeguards and the potential for wrongful deportations.
当我看到媒体在讲各种due process之类的东西， 我的第一反应并不是愤怒，而是好笑。。 因为当初奥黑时期用expedited removal驱逐了上百万非法移民的时候，媒体可没用那么大嗓门嚷嚷。。 which makes you wonder，现在媒体突然开始这么嚷嚷的真正目的是啥， 是真的因为他们突然开始在乎due process了？呵呵。。 我觉得媒体，也包括自媒体，这种强烈的倾向性，乃至煽动性报导，是非常不满的。 左右翼媒体都希望用各种小作文，来煽动读者的情绪， 通过调动读者情绪来达到自己的政治目的，而不是靠严谨的逻辑分析和详实客观的数据。。 我觉得这是这些年社会逐渐撕裂，左右对立越来越严重的罪魁祸首之一。。
Namama 发表于 2025-06-14 19:29 Expedited removal allows immigration officers to deport certain noncitizens quickly—without a hearing before an immigration judge 上庭见法官的机会都没有，你和我说due process?? 奥黑那几年，靠expedited removal可是递解出境了百多万非法移民。。 所以我就说，很多事情没必要被媒体牵着鼻子走。。
thymesu 发表于 2025-06-14 14:34 这个视频谈l C E抓人这件事的，一个是川普内阁成员，他是二代南非白人移民，还有一个是斯里兰卡(亚裔)黄种二代移民，再有两个算美国"本国人"吧，大右派卡尔森，另一个偏左的富人，这个算反映了一定程度美国人对移民的看法，里面还展示了最新的民调。看信息不能只看自己观点一致的，只要不是造谣，或有政治资金支持的视频，都可以了解一下。 系统提示：若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接 https://www.youtube.com/embed/qErgCnUcQis?si=p-p2rhpy3Z3ubYAM
我也看了这个视频，其中提到了a few things on immigration 1. Deport illegal criminals 2 secured the board, which is already done 3 for those illegals that have good status and worded many years here (certain number of years), provide them path to leg status 4 Shorten the processing time for H1b skilled workers to get green card, currently illegal immigrant are ahead of H1b people, which is not right
BKS 发表于 2025-06-15 00:29 我也看了这个视频，其中提到了a few things on immigration 1. Deport illegal criminals 2 secured the board, which is already done 3 for those illegals that have good status and worded many years here (certain number of years), provide them path to leg status 4 Shorten the processing time for H1b skilled workers to get green card, currently illegal immigrant are ahead of H1b people, which is not right
而且还是种族问题，只驱赶非白人。前几天不是还盛大欢迎南非来的白人“难民”吗？
Expedited removal allows immigration officers to deport certain noncitizens quickly—without a hearing before an immigration judge 上庭见法官的机会都没有，你和我说due process??
奥黑那几年，靠expedited removal可是递解出境了百多万非法移民。。
所以我就说，很多事情没必要被媒体牵着鼻子走。。
整天觉得别人被媒体牵着鼻子走，有没有可能是你自己自信过头? 现在的川普给予ICE不被限制的权利，你拿奥黑的快速递解来比烂，不是傻就是坏。
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“Jesus was brown. He was NOT orange.”
A l回的 Yes, expedited removal is a practice that has been used in U.S. immigration law since its creation in 1996 through the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA). Every president since has used it to some degree. It allows immigration officers to quickly deport certain noncitizens without a hearing before an immigration judge. People emphasize "due process" during the Trump administration (and since January 2025 in particular) because of the administration's expanded use of expedited removal, extending it beyond the border and to people who have been in the U.S. for up to two years. This broadens the scope of people who can be deported quickly, without a chance to present their case in front of a judge. Here's why this expansion raises due process concerns: Limited Access to Legal Counsel: The rapid nature of expedited removal leaves little time for individuals to find and consult with an attorney. Lack of Judicial Review: Those placed in expedited removal often have no right to challenge their deportation in federal court. Risk of Erroneous Deportations: This abbreviated process increases the likelihood of individuals being wrongly deported, including those with legal status or U.S. citizens. Challenges for Asylum Seekers: Expedited removal can make it difficult for asylum seekers to adequately present their case and navigate the complex legal standards, increasing the risk of being returned to dangerous conditions. In summary, while expedited removal is a historical tool in immigration enforcement, the Trump administration's expansion of the policy raises due process concerns due to the limited procedural safeguards and the potential for wrongful deportations.
她就被这样扣押了。被像罪犯一样对待，从最初的关押点与5个女孩扣在一个小房间48小时，然后被转移两次，扣押过两个监狱。条件极为恶劣。房间冰冷，没有毛毯，她们都在地上缩成一团，”treated like scum on the earth “. 第二个监狱都伸不直腿，关两天后才给她们一点放风时间。转移时被上手铐脚链。跟她关在一起的都是没有任何犯罪记录的女性。有一位女牧师，跟丈夫一起全世界传道，在SD开车玩不小心进了边境路无法回头，然后开到ICE那里试图开回去，就被这样扔进了监狱。
她说她是100% privileged, 她有律师，媒体帮忙。终于联系上律师后，很快释放，而很多别的人却还被无期限的扣押着。这是一个business, 经营这些羁押监狱的business 从政府拿钱，我们的tax dollar， 人越多，扣的越久，他们就更赚钱…
ICE没有监管的权力，漠视人权，反移民，就是这样的荒诞
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其实有被驱逐的美国公民，直接被驱逐到萨尔瓦多…
能看出来是AI写的，因为缺乏基本逻辑。。 Limited Access to Legal Counsel, Lack of Judicial Review, Challenges for Asylum Seekers的问题，对所有的Expedited Removal都存在，并不是川普时期特有的，奥黑时期的ER也面临一样的问题。。
其实在加州， 都没什么用。
川大嘴支持的人很多， 又有什么办法呢？ 愚民太多， 很多又很能狡辩， 没什么好办法。 和谐共处才是上策， 至少在家庭里是这样。
同意，如果是像布什里根这样的保守派，社会不会这么分裂。但是maga就是希望社会越分裂矛盾越多越好，这样他们才能从中得利
当我看到媒体在讲各种due process之类的东西， 我的第一反应并不是愤怒，而是好笑。。
因为当初奥黑时期用expedited removal驱逐了上百万非法移民的时候，媒体可没用那么大嗓门嚷嚷。。 which makes you wonder，现在媒体突然开始这么嚷嚷的真正目的是啥， 是真的因为他们突然开始在乎due process了？呵呵。。
我觉得媒体，也包括自媒体，这种强烈的倾向性，乃至煽动性报导，是非常不满的。 左右翼媒体都希望用各种小作文，来煽动读者的情绪， 通过调动读者情绪来达到自己的政治目的，而不是靠严谨的逻辑分析和详实客观的数据。。
我觉得这是这些年社会逐渐撕裂，左右对立越来越严重的罪魁祸首之一。。
左右都如此
左翼的identity politics, by definition就是希望分裂社会，分裂人群，把人打上一个个的标签。。。 从而可以从identity叙事，而不是客观叙事。。
通过Expedited Removal来递解非法移民出境的,不是完整全套Due process，但基本还是一个满足了DUE PROCESS最低要求的合理程序，和现在的ICE执行方式完全不可以等同而语。
确实，我之前对NAMAM很多关于中国的论述还是比较赞赏的。
这种程序在边界上做是正常操作，不会对在美国呆了很长时间的人执行。这种扩大范围是被诟病的原因，不是什么制造恐慌，这是有真实案例，可以发生到自己身上的。
这真的有太过于睁眼说瞎话了。之前有过ICE进教堂小学LOWE HD边上抓人？
那不是非常符合你说的几条里面的，解决了急需要被解决的非法移民问题，而且并没有引起社会强烈反应？
一般是在边境上执行。
看一下历年投票数据就知道了。
年份共和党候选人共和党支持率1984Ronald Reagan55%1988George H. W. Bush40%1992George H. W. Bush~45% (共和略占优)1996Bob Dole46%2000George W. Bush45%𑁋但民主党55%2004George W. Bush44% (约)2008John McCain~38% (100–62)2012Mitt Romney~27% (100–73)2016Donald Trump~35% (100–65)2020Donald Trump34%
📈 趋势分析 1980s–1990s：亚裔选民对共和党有较高支持，尤其在里根时期（55%、40%、45%），1996及2000年仍保持约45%支持率。 2000年代至今：随着亚裔选民倾向民主党，支持共和候选人的比例逐渐下降： 2004 约 44% 2008 奥巴马时代降至约 38% 2012 降至约 27% 2016–2020 稳定在 ~35%，特朗普时代略有回升 2024 暂无官方 exit poll 对比，但已有调查显示亚裔支持特朗普约 38–39%
过去快40年都仅有一次超过50%。那时候亚裔的比例非常小，2%左右，统计数据也不是很完整。
还亚裔大部分都支持共和党。
真的是张口就来。
这和是不是男人毫无关系。大部分正常人都多少会有empathy。
奥黑的执行水平更高，这个毫无疑问
但这里不是在说所谓的lack of due process的法律问题吗？ 那奥黑当时也一样是没有due process的。。
所以我一直很欣赏奥黑 我觉得最理想的来解决非法移民问题的人，应该是克林顿/奥黑这种民主党建制派。。这样下手比较有轻重。。
奈何拜登在非法移民问题上捅的娄子太大，导致美国整个社会的极大反弹。。
我也看了这个视频，其中提到了a few things on immigration 1. Deport illegal criminals 2 secured the board, which is already done 3 for those illegals that have good status and worded many years here (certain number of years), provide them path to leg status 4 Shorten the processing time for H1b skilled workers to get green card, currently illegal immigrant are ahead of H1b people, which is not right
你为什么不提其他人的观点，光捡自己喜欢的。讲真除了张麻子，其他人根本没有重视合法移民。卡尔森反移民掩饰都掩不住。另一个觉🉐已经进来的该先解决，被张麻子反对后说可以同时解决。张麻子讲真虽然混进了那个群众，他还是最被人排斥的那个，不论是他们内部，还是采访嘉宾的反应，还有听众。当然这个不只是因为他的族裔，更主要是他的趋炎附势。