回复 115楼 qianqiuxue 的帖子 你说的这些我也是同意的 川普本人其实没啥种族歧视 但他为了选票，会容忍甚至纵容MAGA党搞种族歧视，而且毫不介意牺牲华裔利益，把华裔throw under the bus 所以我无法支持他 但这是个讨论马斯克的帖子，本来就没必要分析那么多川普啊。。 川普是川普，马斯克是马斯克，两个不同的人，各自有各自的考量和目的，并不完全align
虽然我捏着鼻子选的卡马拉，但是Biden绝对是造成高通胀的第一推手。covid时期花钱可以理解，但除去covid，川普头三年 17-19的赤字平均800B，Biden post covid 22-24 平均赤字1.64T。前两年fed拼命给经济各种紧缩降通胀，好嘛政府哗啦哗啦各种大花特花，把经济数据捧的好看，但是造成通胀高持不下，fed利率降不下来，普通人生活各种艰难。这就是拜登败选的根本原因。 这也是我对美国人民失望的原因。明知道trump是坨shi，就是为了自己钱包好过一点，也大口吞下。什么破民主，不过是乌合之众。 Trump’s First Term (FY 2017–FY 2020) • FY 2017 (October 1, 2016 – September 30, 2017): $665 billion ◦ Trump took office in January 2017, so this year includes about four months under Obama’s budget (passed before Trump’s inauguration) and eight months under Trump. The deficit was already trending upward due to prior policies, but Trump’s influence was limited this early. • FY 2018 (October 1, 2017 – September 30, 2018): $779 billion ◦ This was the first full fiscal year under Trump. The increase was partly driven by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017, which reduced revenue, though economic growth offset some of the loss. • FY 2019 (October 1, 2018 – September 30, 2019): $984 billion ◦ The deficit continued to rise as the TCJA’s effects persisted, alongside steady spending increases. This was the last pre-pandemic year, reflecting a baseline of Trump’s fiscal policy. • FY 2020 (October 1, 2019 – September 30, 2020): $3.13 trillion ◦ This massive spike was due to the COVID-19 pandemic, with bipartisan legislation like the CARES Act adding over $2 trillion in emergency spending. Trump signed these bills, but they had broad congressional support, making it a shared responsibility. Total Deficit Increase (Debt Growth Context): Debt held by the public grew by $7.2 trillion over Trump’s term, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion, per the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB). Of the $8.4 trillion in new 10-year borrowing approved under Trump, about $4.8 trillion was non-COVID-related, showing significant pre-pandemic deficit growth. Biden Administration (FY 2021–Present, as of April 2, 2025) • FY 2021 (October 1, 2020 – September 30, 2021): $2.77 trillion ◦ Biden took office in January 2021, so this year includes about four months under Trump’s budget and eight months under Biden. The deficit remained high due to ongoing COVID relief, including the American Rescue Plan (ARP) Act ($1.9 trillion), signed by Biden in March 2021. • FY 2022 (October 1, 2021 – September 30, 2022): $1.38 trillion ◦ The deficit dropped significantly as pandemic emergency spending wound down. Biden touts this $1.4 trillion reduction from FY 2020 as a record, though much of it reflects expiring COVID measures rather than new policy alone. • FY 2023 (October 1, 2022 – September 30, 2023): $1.70 trillion ◦ The deficit rose again, driven by higher interest payments on the debt (up due to inflation-induced rate hikes) and increased spending, despite strong revenue from economic recovery. • FY 2024 (October 1, 2023 – September 30, 2024): $1.83 trillion (preliminary estimate) ◦ Final figures are still being finalized, but Treasury data suggests a deficit around $1.8–$1.9 trillion, reflecting continued spending growth and interest costs, per CBO and Treasury updates. • FY 2025 (October 1, 2024 – Present, partial data): As of February 2025, the deficit for the first five months hit a record $1.15 trillion, per Treasury reports. This pace suggests another high annual deficit, though Trump took office on January 20, 2025, so most of this period falls under Biden. Total Deficit Increase (Debt Growth Context): Debt held by the public grew by about $6.9 trillion net of cash balances during Biden’s first three years and five months (to June 2024), per CRFB. Gross debt increased by roughly $7.9 trillion from January 2021 to January 2025, per Treasury data, with Biden on pace to exceed Trump’s $7.8 trillion gross debt increase by the end of his term. Key Observations • Trump’s Term: Deficits rose steadily pre-COVID (from $665 billion to $984 billion), then exploded in FY 2020 due to the pandemic. His policies, like the TCJA, added to the baseline deficit, but the $3.13 trillion FY 2020 figure was an outlier driven by emergency spending. • Biden’s Term: Deficits started high (FY 2021) due to inherited COVID costs and the ARP, then fell in FY 2022 as relief expired, but rose again in FY 2023 and FY 2024 due to spending and interest costs. Biden’s approved new borrowing totals $4.3 trillion over 10 years (per CRFB), less than Trump’s $8.4 trillion, though actual debt growth is comparable. • Context: Both presidents faced unique challenges—Trump with COVID, Biden with inflation and recovery. Deficits reflect not just presidential actions but congressional decisions and economic conditions. Pre-COVID (FY 2017–2019) deficits under Trump averaged $809 billion annually, while Biden’s post-COVID average (FY 2022–2024) is about $1.64 trillion, though FY 2025 data is incomplete. These figures show the raw deficit numbers, but attributing them solely to either president oversimplifies the interplay of prior laws, Congress, and external events. For the most current FY 2025 data beyond February, final numbers will emerge later in 2025.
虽然我捏着鼻子选的卡马拉，但是Biden绝对是造成高通胀的第一推手。covid时期花钱可以理解，但除去covid，川普头三年 17-19的赤字平均800B，Biden post covid 22-24 平均赤字1.64T。前两年fed拼命给经济各种紧缩降通胀，好嘛政府哗啦哗啦各种大花特花，把经济数据捧的好看，但是造成通胀高持不下，fed利率降不下来，普通人生活各种艰难。这就是拜登败选的根本原因。 这也是我对美国人民失望的原因。明知道trump是坨shi，就是为了自己钱包好过一点，也大口吞下。什么破民主，不过是乌合之众。 Trump’s First Term (FY 2017–FY 2020) • FY 2017 (October 1, 2016 – September 30, 2017): $665 billion ◦ Trump took office in January 2017, so this year includes about four months under Obama’s budget (passed before Trump’s inauguration) and eight months under Trump. The deficit was already trending upward due to prior policies, but Trump’s influence was limited this early. • FY 2018 (October 1, 2017 – September 30, 2018): $779 billion ◦ This was the first full fiscal year under Trump. The increase was partly driven by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017, which reduced revenue, though economic growth offset some of the loss. • FY 2019 (October 1, 2018 – September 30, 2019): $984 billion ◦ The deficit continued to rise as the TCJA’s effects persisted, alongside steady spending increases. This was the last pre-pandemic year, reflecting a baseline of Trump’s fiscal policy. • FY 2020 (October 1, 2019 – September 30, 2020): $3.13 trillion ◦ This massive spike was due to the COVID-19 pandemic, with bipartisan legislation like the CARES Act adding over $2 trillion in emergency spending. Trump signed these bills, but they had broad congressional support, making it a shared responsibility. Total Deficit Increase (Debt Growth Context): Debt held by the public grew by $7.2 trillion over Trump’s term, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion, per the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB). Of the $8.4 trillion in new 10-year borrowing approved under Trump, about $4.8 trillion was non-COVID-related, showing significant pre-pandemic deficit growth. Biden Administration (FY 2021–Present, as of April 2, 2025) • FY 2021 (October 1, 2020 – September 30, 2021): $2.77 trillion ◦ Biden took office in January 2021, so this year includes about four months under Trump’s budget and eight months under Biden. The deficit remained high due to ongoing COVID relief, including the American Rescue Plan (ARP) Act ($1.9 trillion), signed by Biden in March 2021. • FY 2022 (October 1, 2021 – September 30, 2022): $1.38 trillion ◦ The deficit dropped significantly as pandemic emergency spending wound down. Biden touts this $1.4 trillion reduction from FY 2020 as a record, though much of it reflects expiring COVID measures rather than new policy alone. • FY 2023 (October 1, 2022 – September 30, 2023): $1.70 trillion ◦ The deficit rose again, driven by higher interest payments on the debt (up due to inflation-induced rate hikes) and increased spending, despite strong revenue from economic recovery. • FY 2024 (October 1, 2023 – September 30, 2024): $1.83 trillion (preliminary estimate) ◦ Final figures are still being finalized, but Treasury data suggests a deficit around $1.8–$1.9 trillion, reflecting continued spending growth and interest costs, per CBO and Treasury updates. • FY 2025 (October 1, 2024 – Present, partial data): As of February 2025, the deficit for the first five months hit a record $1.15 trillion, per Treasury reports. This pace suggests another high annual deficit, though Trump took office on January 20, 2025, so most of this period falls under Biden. Total Deficit Increase (Debt Growth Context): Debt held by the public grew by about $6.9 trillion net of cash balances during Biden’s first three years and five months (to June 2024), per CRFB. Gross debt increased by roughly $7.9 trillion from January 2021 to January 2025, per Treasury data, with Biden on pace to exceed Trump’s $7.8 trillion gross debt increase by the end of his term. Key Observations • Trump’s Term: Deficits rose steadily pre-COVID (from $665 billion to $984 billion), then exploded in FY 2020 due to the pandemic. His policies, like the TCJA, added to the baseline deficit, but the $3.13 trillion FY 2020 figure was an outlier driven by emergency spending. • Biden’s Term: Deficits started high (FY 2021) due to inherited COVID costs and the ARP, then fell in FY 2022 as relief expired, but rose again in FY 2023 and FY 2024 due to spending and interest costs. Biden’s approved new borrowing totals $4.3 trillion over 10 years (per CRFB), less than Trump’s $8.4 trillion, though actual debt growth is comparable. • Context: Both presidents faced unique challenges—Trump with COVID, Biden with inflation and recovery. Deficits reflect not just presidential actions but congressional decisions and economic conditions. Pre-COVID (FY 2017–2019) deficits under Trump averaged $809 billion annually, while Biden’s post-COVID average (FY 2022–2024) is about $1.64 trillion, though FY 2025 data is incomplete. These figures show the raw deficit numbers, but attributing them solely to either president oversimplifies the interplay of prior laws, Congress, and external events. For the most current FY 2025 data beyond February, final numbers will emerge later in 2025. hellensiao 发表于 2025-04-02 10:08
虽然我捏着鼻子选的卡马拉，但是Biden绝对是造成高通胀的第一推手。covid时期花钱可以理解，但除去covid，川普头三年 17-19的赤字平均800B，Biden post covid 22-24 平均赤字1.64T。前两年fed拼命给经济各种紧缩降通胀，好嘛政府哗啦哗啦各种大花特花，把经济数据捧的好看，但是造成通胀高持不下，fed利率降不下来，普通人生活各种艰难。这就是拜登败选的根本原因。 这也是我对美国人民失望的原因。明知道trump是坨shi，就是为了自己钱包好过一点，也大口吞下。什么破民主，不过是乌合之众。 Trump’s First Term (FY 2017–FY 2020) • FY 2017 (October 1, 2016 – September 30, 2017): $665 billion ◦ Trump took office in January 2017, so this year includes about four months under Obama’s budget (passed before Trump’s inauguration) and eight months under Trump. The deficit was already trending upward due to prior policies, but Trump’s influence was limited this early. • FY 2018 (October 1, 2017 – September 30, 2018): $779 billion ◦ This was the first full fiscal year under Trump. The increase was partly driven by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017, which reduced revenue, though economic growth offset some of the loss. • FY 2019 (October 1, 2018 – September 30, 2019): $984 billion ◦ The deficit continued to rise as the TCJA’s effects persisted, alongside steady spending increases. This was the last pre-pandemic year, reflecting a baseline of Trump’s fiscal policy. • FY 2020 (October 1, 2019 – September 30, 2020): $3.13 trillion ◦ This massive spike was due to the COVID-19 pandemic, with bipartisan legislation like the CARES Act adding over $2 trillion in emergency spending. Trump signed these bills, but they had broad congressional support, making it a shared responsibility. Total Deficit Increase (Debt Growth Context): Debt held by the public grew by $7.2 trillion over Trump’s term, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion, per the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB). Of the $8.4 trillion in new 10-year borrowing approved under Trump, about $4.8 trillion was non-COVID-related, showing significant pre-pandemic deficit growth. Biden Administration (FY 2021–Present, as of April 2, 2025) • FY 2021 (October 1, 2020 – September 30, 2021): $2.77 trillion ◦ Biden took office in January 2021, so this year includes about four months under Trump’s budget and eight months under Biden. The deficit remained high due to ongoing COVID relief, including the American Rescue Plan (ARP) Act ($1.9 trillion), signed by Biden in March 2021. • FY 2022 (October 1, 2021 – September 30, 2022): $1.38 trillion ◦ The deficit dropped significantly as pandemic emergency spending wound down. Biden touts this $1.4 trillion reduction from FY 2020 as a record, though much of it reflects expiring COVID measures rather than new policy alone. • FY 2023 (October 1, 2022 – September 30, 2023): $1.70 trillion ◦ The deficit rose again, driven by higher interest payments on the debt (up due to inflation-induced rate hikes) and increased spending, despite strong revenue from economic recovery. • FY 2024 (October 1, 2023 – September 30, 2024): $1.83 trillion (preliminary estimate) ◦ Final figures are still being finalized, but Treasury data suggests a deficit around $1.8–$1.9 trillion, reflecting continued spending growth and interest costs, per CBO and Treasury updates. • FY 2025 (October 1, 2024 – Present, partial data): As of February 2025, the deficit for the first five months hit a record $1.15 trillion, per Treasury reports. This pace suggests another high annual deficit, though Trump took office on January 20, 2025, so most of this period falls under Biden. Total Deficit Increase (Debt Growth Context): Debt held by the public grew by about $6.9 trillion net of cash balances during Biden’s first three years and five months (to June 2024), per CRFB. Gross debt increased by roughly $7.9 trillion from January 2021 to January 2025, per Treasury data, with Biden on pace to exceed Trump’s $7.8 trillion gross debt increase by the end of his term. Key Observations • Trump’s Term: Deficits rose steadily pre-COVID (from $665 billion to $984 billion), then exploded in FY 2020 due to the pandemic. His policies, like the TCJA, added to the baseline deficit, but the $3.13 trillion FY 2020 figure was an outlier driven by emergency spending. • Biden’s Term: Deficits started high (FY 2021) due to inherited COVID costs and the ARP, then fell in FY 2022 as relief expired, but rose again in FY 2023 and FY 2024 due to spending and interest costs. Biden’s approved new borrowing totals $4.3 trillion over 10 years (per CRFB), less than Trump’s $8.4 trillion, though actual debt growth is comparable. • Context: Both presidents faced unique challenges—Trump with COVID, Biden with inflation and recovery. Deficits reflect not just presidential actions but congressional decisions and economic conditions. Pre-COVID (FY 2017–2019) deficits under Trump averaged $809 billion annually, while Biden’s post-COVID average (FY 2022–2024) is about $1.64 trillion, though FY 2025 data is incomplete. These figures show the raw deficit numbers, but attributing them solely to either president oversimplifies the interplay of prior laws, Congress, and external events. For the most current FY 2025 data beyond February, final numbers will emerge later in 2025. hellensiao 发表于 2025-04-02 10:08
拜登印钱和川普无关。。 真要说起来，其实是奥黑时期留下的PTSD
奥黑08年金融危机上台，上台后也想大规模印钱刺激经济，被共和党阻止了， 结果就是经济复苏缓慢，slow recovery。
所以这次拜登就矫枉过正，宁愿踩油门把经济搞过热，真出问题了再说。。 但既然作出来这种经济精算，那么当油门踩过头，真搞出了通胀，这个锅他也肯定要背，躲不过的
现在美国经济也没好起来。。依然在recession附近。。
我的意思是， 1）拜登上任后的大印钱，是政策失误，他要为通胀负责 2）拜登油门踩过头，引发几十年未见的大通胀，所以任期后期一直在替经济降温。。 哪怕蓄意放开国门，引入大量非法移民，一定程度上也是为了增加服务业的劳动力供给，从而可以降低通胀。。
所以到大选时候，虽然经济已经降温，通胀也在回落，但经济状况真心不算有多好，勉强避免了recession而已
有什么好争的 首富拿着那么多联邦大合同 还一心要砸掉NASA FAA取而代之 还什么不为钱为了砍腐败浪费呢 真相信的人都是什么智商
你要说美国印钱薅全世界羊毛薅出了习惯，这个我同意。 我不能理解的是，川粉把一个最流氓、最没有信用、最自私自恋、最不care伤害美国体制、和极右白人至上走的最近、对华裔最不尊重的家伙当作救世主
他还是砍自己的公司1万亿美元吧，虚伪而且贪大的家伙。
虽然我不觉得川普歧视少数族裔，但他明显会为了他那些MAGA白人群体而牺牲少数族裔的权益，他也完全不在乎牺牲华裔的权益。 这个风险太大，所以我无法支持他
但这和支持马斯克利用DOGE去尝试搞一搞，尝试减少美国政府浪费，是两个完全不同的话题呀 而且不支持川普当选，也不等于他所有一切政策和观点都是错的。。也没必要搞非黑即白。。
明白你的意思 还是那句话，你觉得应该让他试一试，而我开始就很坚信那是幻想。 如果基础都不对，越努力越坏事。
拿川来讲，说没必要非黑即白，都是揣着明白当糊涂。 没有人非黑即白，一个总统，脖子以上都是疮就已经可以认为是黑了， 还需要去欣赏他肚皮上都是‘beautiful skin’吗？
拿‘不等于他一切都是错的’来讲理，基本属于屎上雕花了
你因果倒置了，不是川普想解决国债。而是川普上台又要给富人减税，会把国债推向更严重的深渊，所以他必须找办法从其它地方找回来，这也是为什么死活也要加关税，就是因为财政赤字不平衡。另外就是把elon 推到前面去裁政府。 但是这两项加起来也依旧比不上减税造成的亏空，所以结果还是国债问题更严重了，而不是减缓了。
doge 举着省钱的大旗不是因，是果，而且是还是忽悠人的操作居多
对川普来说，把他第一任的减税计划永久化，甚至发钱收买民心都比减赤字重要 所以前几周他才会说考虑把马斯克削减的资金里，拿出1/4发给民众。 这等于让马斯克白白得罪人，还削减不了赤字。。defeats the purpose
但这帖是讨论马斯克，那我就真心觉得他是真的想减少浪费和赤字， 搞DOGE也不是为了啥个人金钱利益，撑死是为了满足他越来越膨胀的个人ego
关于川普歧视少数族裔与否的话题，虽然他以前有过什么黑人保姆啊,central park five 啊，侮辱赵小兰啊，让华裔记者回中国啊等等，但从我个人来讲并不那么相信他像白人至上群体那样极端歧视别的种族，毕竟他的外孙女也学中文啥的。 但是致命的是，他的maga集团和极端白人至上者有极其暧昧的关系，甚至第一届他的内阁就开始有高官明目张胆的的歧视华裔。而且支持的maga媒体，包括Jesse Watters这个垃圾 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlht9VxMR2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPBQyzktk90
这才是问题所在，他所在的政府鼓励和怂恿了大规模系统性的歧视，可以想见随后的岁月里这种歧视从半隐性到显性、从幼年到成长的过程。如果经济继续下行，社会不满增加，这个内阁像任何专权的内阁一样将引发和支持人斗人现象。这是细思极恐的事情。 在这个意义上，我真的痛恨那些无脑黄疮，虽然我也希望自己君子如玉对人对事充满脉脉温情。
说回川普，我知道他不是保守派，他其实是最liberal的，但是为了权力和报复去迎合极右才造成现在的混乱。 那些以为他代表保守主义，家庭教育标杆，经济大拿的蠢货们，该醒醒了。
你说的这些我也是同意的
川普本人其实没啥种族歧视 但他为了选票，会容忍甚至纵容MAGA党搞种族歧视，而且毫不介意牺牲华裔利益，把华裔throw under the bus 所以我无法支持他
但这是个讨论马斯克的帖子，本来就没必要分析那么多川普啊。。 川普是川普，马斯克是马斯克，两个不同的人，各自有各自的考量和目的，并不完全align
这菊花舔的
你去问问你疮主咋死的
就你这段话就漏洞百出，上文说橘子皮印钱对抗covid是正常手段，下文又说疫情lockdown对经济造成了多少影响。所以橘子皮到底有没有损害经济？
你要有点经济学基础知识就该知道历来共和党治理经济只有一招，那就是减税，目的是啥大家都知道。
就这点水平就别卖弄了。
Biden经济好不好，看经济数据指标啊，再差也比橘子皮上任俩月生生的把GDP搞成负增长强吧。 政府大批裁员和关税效应都还没出来呢。
你要懂经济就该知道GDP growth government spending是大头。马公公砍了这么多funding, 自己这么多公司的合同砍了吗？DOGE一个月就用了纳税人4000w， 橘子皮每周末打高尔夫已经花了纳税人2800w，自己算啊，一年得多少钱？马公公说5月底退出我信他个鬼，拿到这么多他做普通商人拿不到的资料，拿着平时得不到的权力除去眼中钉肉中刺，这么爽他会退出。呵呵，到5月底看吧
因为不是人人都这么容易被床铺恶龙集团洗脑。
你没发现你回的这个人是纳粹爱好者吗， Adolf 正常人不会用希特勒的名字来做ID的。
1）“就你这段话就漏洞百出，上文说橘子皮印钱对抗covid是正常手段，下文又说疫情lockdown对经济造成了多少影响。所以橘子皮到底有没有损害经济？” ================ 遇到疫情，社会停摆，经济重挫，所以需要印钱对冲经济的负面影响。。 连这种基本常识都要解释？
2）拜登印钱太多，造成通胀失控，美国民众用脚投票，这是拜登败选的最大理由。
3）Government spending? 去年政府财政赤字高达GDP的6.5%，但经济增长才2.4%，呵呵。。 而且高赤字，造成了长期利率上升，每年光国债利息就差不多1万亿美元，3%GDP
真是很烦这种经济扫盲
只有官员吗？我想看Trump的财产
的确是这样的，拜登时期基本上是所有发达国家在疫情后经济恢复的最好。上面有网友还说只有共和党总统对削减财政赤字感兴趣，看看上面历届总统的财政赤字表，还𣎴一目了然吗？另一位网友比较一针见血，共和党只对减税感兴趣，他们并不care 财政赤字。
这是正解，希望他能说话算数，别到时候抓着权力不放，懒着不走。
网上有人提到如果Tesla 股票还往下不停地跌，他的整个财务状况可能会出问题, 因为他当时买Twitter 向银行贷款就是用Tesla 股票，还有一些其它的商业合约也与Tesla 的股票有关。
拜托，别给自己脸上贴金了，你当然不需要扫盲啊，连基础经济学理论都不懂的自以为是的半瓶水最喜欢晃了。另外我也没义务给你扫盲啊。发出来的东西简直笑掉大牙。
经济重挫就要印钱？橘子皮印钱就应该，Biden印钱就不应该？拜托你去看看橘子皮离任的时候都啥经济指标？
本来拜登任期经济学家都认为要大萧条的，现在呢？
你根本就不懂我为什么要提government spending。马公公砍了这么多government spending以及裁了这么多人对经济的影响都还没出来呢。这才俩个月。呵呵等着看Trumpcession
要说赤字，橘子皮上个任期的时候给政府增加多少政府赤字了？你咋和你最爱的马公公一样一个不吱声呢？
他还不是权臣？怎样才算权臣？他明明是一人之下万万人之上好不好？
如果他只是cut 政府开支，可能会造成recession, 但是如果和加关税一起上，而且不回头的话，很有可能会重复上世纪的the Great Depression, 上次有一个网友把他的经济政策和当时的总统胡弗的经济政策作了一个对比，发现相似性特别高。
X 已经卖掉了。这个问题已经解决了。
写这么一堆你说说川普为什么在国泰民安的19年大放水吧？疫情后20年他印钱少吗？21年疫情期间拜登不继续印怎么办？ 你们这些黄右动不动捏鼻子 不捏不能活吗
黄右真的非蠢即坏
damage已经造成 好不了了 只能说咎由自取
你神经病啊张口就骂。你看明白我说的什么了吗？美国走到今天这种烂地步，你这样狭隘的左派少不了干系。
1）疫情冲击下，印钱对冲是应该的 但疫情过去，美国经济明显已经复苏的情况下，拜登印钱就是不应该的。 这都早就是经济学共识，established fact
上面给出的Larry Summers在2021年拜登印钱政策出台时的文章去读一下，完美预测了之后的走势 你就真心歇了吧，别整天挑战经济学常识了。。
2）经济学家认为拜登任期会大萧条？ 那是因为拜登一开始印钱实在太多，通胀失控，逼迫联储会疯狂升息替经济降温，有可能造成萧条 但拜登怎么做的呢？无非就是继续拉高财政赤字，用高达6.5%的财政赤字，来对冲升息造成的影响。 萧条是避免了，国债又上去一大截。。 而且这种国债上升，纯粹是替拜登自己前期的疯狂印钱擦屁股，原本是完全可以避免的。
整天都要为这种常识扫盲，累不累啊。。
没办法，只知道非黑即白，思维模式二极管的人实在太普遍了。。 我也没选川普，但这不等于就要无限洗白拜登所有的政策
大通胀纯粹就是拜登折腾出来的， 这些人仅仅因为不喜欢川普，竟然连这种基本事实都要否认，呵呵。。
但是你的问题就是每次讨论川普有多烂，你都要把话题往拜登上引导。你别忘了 现在在台上的可不是拜登。 但是你就喜欢转移注意力。
而且通胀也被你妖魔化了，几乎所有的经济增长都伴随着通胀，post covid经济恢复的那么猛，有通胀是必然的。通胀是byproduct。 和通胀比起来，经济衰退是一个严重几倍几十倍的经济问题
把正的增长搞成了recession 到底是他损失大，还是整个社会损失大
我每次都是就事论事， 你要说川普对待少数民族有多烂，多危险，我肯定支持你 你要说川普的关税政策没啥用，制造业不可能回归，我也支持你 但你要说大通胀和拜登无关，那纯粹是鬼扯淡。。
Post covid经济恢复的猛，所以就更加不需要拜登最后那几波的大印钱
我上面也说过了，拜登大概率是吸取了奥黑的教训，矫枉过正，宁愿先刺激过头，然后再想办法。。 但既然这是一个calculated decision，既然他已经进行了政治精算后才做出的决定，那么他就需要承担这个决定造成的所有后果。这有啥好洗地的
而且这贴原本是谈马斯克的。。。 一堆人硬要扯川普有多坏有多坏，从而想用这个论证马斯克也有多坏，马斯克不该搞DOGE，这本身就不是就事论事的逻辑思路。。
你说奥巴马奥黑，种族主义情绪很严重啊
不用拉扯川普，elon 本身也有足够大的问题了， 用金钱操纵选举，从来没有过哪一位像他那样公开用百万美元贿赂选民，这么嚣张。 他又一次次的资助英国、德国的新纳粹运动，公然行纳粹礼， 拿着成千上万人的家庭支撑来源做各种社会试验， 第一季度经济危机有他一半的功劳。
但是民主党这边的索罗斯，已经这么运作几十年了，也没见民主党支持者有多大反感。。。
所以这更多还是美国内战，对川普本人的反感，放大到了他身边所有团队的所有政策上。。
“一堆人硬要扯川普有多坏有多坏，从而想用这个论证马斯克也有多坏，马斯克不该搞DOGE，这本身就不是就事论事的逻辑思路。”
就事论事啊 - 这个逻辑其实未必有问题。
简单的一个逻辑链：MAGA坏 -> 不能信任MAGA，不能给MAGA增长势力的机会 -> 马斯克帮MAGA做事 -> 为啥要信任马斯克？
问题不在于马斯克是不是搞DOGE，而是DOGE是不是该让马斯克（或者其他MAGA选的人）搞。就好像如果你要找个（可能的）贼来给你家装安全系统，那么除了这个贼具体做的好不好之外，是不是还有你是不是信任这个贼，以及你愿不愿意让这个贼赚钱的问题？
DOGE的问题同理。除了DOGE本身如何如何的问题之外，还有你是不是信任MAGA指派的人做这事，以及你愿不愿意让MAGA从中得到credit的问题。这俩问题，都和川普有多坏有多坏有直接的逻辑关系 - 当然你可以说你对其他问题更重视，但别人用这样的逻辑来思考，从逻辑上这也仍然属于就事论事。
看见你们总提索罗斯啊比尔盖茨啊 尤其是骂比尔盖茨的，一张嘴就满嘴阴毛论的感觉 把这些人描绘的简直是人间的厉鬼恶魔 我真的不了解，你们到底是有什么真实的证据？ 感觉多是很低智的传谣爱好者呢
还有就是你总是抓不住主次的感觉，试图剥离开川普和他的团队政策 我就问你这两者在这个政府里有差别吗？
关于团队政策，你指什么？
看看两千万非法移民他怎么完成deportation？ 看看俄乌战争他怎么由24小时变100天再无限变下去？ 看看降通胀降物价他降在哪里了？ 看看减赤他要用多少年？一百年够不够？ 看看他怎么大运动式裁员？ 学大毛抢领土，抢加拿大？抢greenland？抢巴拿马？ 公立学校不学第二外语，拒绝中文西班牙文，学圣经？ 。。。 到底哪个政策看着像正常人？
反过来，就算是找到一个正常的、看起来不是神经病的政策， 你就要努力证明他不是一个十足的坏蛋，你累不累姐姐？
exactly MAGA 党都是阴谋论爱好者。 比如索罗斯贿选。你见过一个民主党选民收到支票了吗？如果暗搓搓的给支票，对索罗斯有意义吗？但是马公公那些支票我可以亲眼所见，闻所未闻。 就像bill gates 用疫苗控制美国人这种maga谣言，真的是非蠢即坏。billgates 纵然有问题，他的基金会做了多少对人类有益的贡献和研究。
必须是低智传谣者 有证据早就拿出来了
1）骂比尔盖子的是纯粹的阴谋论，比尔是救了非洲无数人的大善人。。 但索罗斯的所作作为，自己稍微查查就知道了，这货挨骂，真心一点都不怨
2）团队和个人之间，两者当然有区别 上面说了无数次了，马斯克是真心想削减赤字减少浪费，而川普则不在乎赤字和国债。。 马斯克和背后的硅谷派系，追求的是放松监管和扩大高科技移民 搬农和MAGA党追求的是对大企业更强的监管/反移民/均贫富 川普的财政部长以前是索罗斯的副手，现在两人政治立场相反
如果真的对政治感兴趣，自然就要多了解内部细节，不同的立场和利益冲突 而不是简单的贴个好人坏人的标签
他很明显就是racist呀 之前还说不认为懂王有种族歧视…
他很多策略就是copy & paste, 其实都是后面MAGA教的狗头军师，屁都不懂。 所以现在Trumpcession发生的几率很高，裁员，砍funding, 砍spending, 到处打贸易战，不知道为什么还有这么多蠢人在捧臭脚。还觉得马公公能提高效率，简直笑死人，马公公接管推特后裁了这么多人有提供效率吗？只看到推特不断出问题，现在已经是个黄色小广告和谣言漫天乱飞的平台了。
Public sector能和private business 一样运作那还要什么政府？
笑死人，你来说说哪里有复苏迹象？什么经济指标？橘子皮最后一年通胀指数就已经很高了。美国人民不吸取教训还把这位选出来就是因为蠢人太多。
你有点经济学常识就应该知道任何经济政策都有滞后现象。历史上哪次不是狗屁党把经济搞垮民主党来擦屁股。
你这点水平也只能忽悠下MAGA文盲。
拜登在任的时候拉了多少境外投资？橘子皮上台全跑了，等着吧，这才两个月。呵呵
我的理解哈 索罗斯是个贪婪的商人，包括在亚洲经济危机中敛财等等，你可以说他造成经济不稳定和别人的破产等等，但好像他只是商人本性，利用漏洞钻营。我没有去深入了解过除此之外还有什么为非作歹的事。 倒是川总，偷税漏税，trump大学欺诈等等都是事实。
我也理解你关于马斯克的减赤理想。 但川普不在乎，事实是马斯克的减持理想才开始就是被川用来做复仇工具而已，所谓的联邦人都是deep state，早都是川党的眼中钉。
一个人有理想，但终究做了为虎作伥的事，该褒该贬，各自保留意见把
他就一铁川，装什么假中立纯讨论经济策略呢
这个马斯克也讲过,他说川普是民选的总统，但DC地区有92%的选票都没投川普, 川普的行政令执行不下去？DOGE就是为清除异已设置的, 只不过打着反腐减少浪费的幌子而已
老马有什么减赤理想 折腾了半天就是砍了教育 医药研究 社保等等 连低收入儿童的午餐费都不放过 军费什么的完全不敢动 自己的合同也紧紧的抓住 只会欺负普通人
索罗斯的问题，并不仅仅是为了赚钱不择手段， 他更是美国在全球煽动颜色革命背后最大的个人金主，制造了大量的社会动荡和暴乱
一直到2020年末，通胀都维持在1.5%以下。。 再看看2021年的走势 然后自己查查拜登上台后，在2021年初推动了多大规模的印钱政策。。 影响通胀最厉害的，是预期。。拜登那波印钱，就是彻底击碎了市场的预期
这都是经济学界这些年的共识和常识了，竟然还要洗地。。 真是屁都不懂，整天需要扫盲。。
减少赤字被当成复仇工具，这其实无所谓啊。。
美国政府整体腐败，民主和共和党两边都是各种浪费 现在共和党在台上，先把民主党那半的浪费给砍了
民主党想报复？ 欢迎啊。。4年后民主党争取上台，继续砍共和党那一半的浪费不就好了？
反正目前状态的财政赤字是无论如何不可能维持下去的。
2020年末的时候，美国经济已经差不多恢复到疫情前的水平了，这叫没有复苏迹象？？ 结果拜登硬是顶着压力，强行通过了好几万亿的经济刺激政策，导致通胀彻底失控
真的，你明明就是不懂经济，也明显平时并不关心美国经济的各种数据， 纯粹就因为是讨厌川普，所以无脑给拜登各种洗地。。。
马斯克要是这么容易放弃也不会成为世界首富。估计至少会垂帘听政，幕后操盘。
DOGE是反腐/打压政治对手的双重武器，不可能放弃的。
Politico政治新聞網站2日報導，川普總統告訴他的內閣和核心圈子，馬斯克在數周內就會退出政府效率部(DOGE)。
我觉得你挺懂的，你没选总统可惜呀。