https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43001408 I work in administration at UC Berkeley, and I need to say this: something is deeply broken. For years, Berkeley’s Computer Science program was a direct pipeline to top-tier tech jobs. Didn’t matter if you were just "above average"—if you made it through, you'd land a solid job with a great salary. But now? I’m watching some of the most brilliant students, the ones with perfect 4.0 GPAs, prestigious internships, and research experience, graduate with nothing. No offers. No interviews. Just radio silence. Professors are noticing it too. Students who should be drowning in job offers are instead emailing their advisors in a panic: “What do I do now?” “Should I apply for grad school?” “Was this all a waste?” And here’s the part that really scares me—this isn’t just a temporary downturn. The people who should know what’s going on—our faculty, career services, recruiters—have no answers. They just keep telling students to “network more” or “apply to startups.” But those startups? They’re laying people off too. The harsh reality is that a UC Berkeley CS degree is no longer a ticket to job security. The system that promised students a clear path to success is breaking down, and the people in charge are too scared to admit it. I don’t know how this plays out, but I do know this: If you’re a student banking on a Berkeley degree to guarantee your future, you need a backup plan. Because the old rules don’t apply anymore. The question is—what happens when the smartest students in the country realize the system has failed them?
回复 3楼 whatever. 的帖子 If they are the smartest kids, they will find a way. If they can’t find a way, they are not the smartest kids. 当年学生物的多聪明,出来根本没啥对口的好工作,最后这些人大多也混的不错
索楠嘉措 发表于 2025-02-14 20:00 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43001408 I work in administration at UC Berkeley, and I need to say this: something is deeply broken. For years, Berkeley’s Computer Science program was a direct pipeline to top-tier tech jobs. Didn’t matter if you were just "above average"—if you made it through, you'd land a solid job with a great salary. But now? I’m watching some of the most brilliant students, the ones with perfect 4.0 GPAs, prestigious internships, and research experience, graduate with nothing. No offers. No interviews. Just radio silence. Professors are noticing it too. Students who should be drowning in job offers are instead emailing their advisors in a panic: “What do I do now?” “Should I apply for grad school?” “Was this all a waste?” And here’s the part that really scares me—this isn’t just a temporary downturn. The people who should know what’s going on—our faculty, career services, recruiters—have no answers. They just keep telling students to “network more” or “apply to startups.” But those startups? They’re laying people off too. The harsh reality is that a UC Berkeley CS degree is no longer a ticket to job security. The system that promised students a clear path to success is breaking down, and the people in charge are too scared to admit it. I don’t know how this plays out, but I do know this: If you’re a student banking on a Berkeley degree to guarantee your future, you need a backup plan. Because the old rules don’t apply anymore. The question is—what happens when the smartest students in the country realize the system has failed them?
I work in administration at UC Berkeley, and I need to say this: something is deeply broken. For years, Berkeley’s Computer Science program was a direct pipeline to top-tier tech jobs. Didn’t matter if you were just "above average"—if you made it through, you'd land a solid job with a great salary. But now? I’m watching some of the most brilliant students, the ones with perfect 4.0 GPAs, prestigious internships, and research experience, graduate with nothing. No offers. No interviews. Just radio silence. Professors are noticing it too. Students who should be drowning in job offers are instead emailing their advisors in a panic: “What do I do now?” “Should I apply for grad school?” “Was this all a waste?”
And here’s the part that really scares me—this isn’t just a temporary downturn. The people who should know what’s going on—our faculty, career services, recruiters—have no answers. They just keep telling students to “network more” or “apply to startups.” But those startups? They’re laying people off too. The harsh reality is that a UC Berkeley CS degree is no longer a ticket to job security. The system that promised students a clear path to success is breaking down, and the people in charge are too scared to admit it.
I don’t know how this plays out, but I do know this: If you’re a student banking on a Berkeley degree to guarantee your future, you need a backup plan. Because the old rules don’t apply anymore.
The question is—what happens when the smartest students in the country realize the system has failed them?
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就是啊,哪一年的事很重要,这一两年形势变化很大。。
现在三年级
估计是好不容易才让孩子挤进去cs的学生家长。害怕面对这波cs毕业生大面积找不到工作的可怕局面。
我听说,ICC里面都能收到CMU、斯坦福CS的毕业生了。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
Lie flat and be a full time kid at home
If they are the smartest kids, they will find a way. If they can’t find a way, they are not the smartest kids.
当年学生物的多聪明,出来根本没啥对口的好工作,最后这些人大多也混的不错
你这句话没有依据吗
我知道的这几年上UCB CS 很难的。
这不就是难上的原因么,我看周围最卷的高中,ucb的录取确实一落千丈啊。给好学生的名额变少了,就逼着你更卷,恶性循环。
问题是别人GPA 4.0啊,UCB CS的4.0这么好拿吗?肯定是好学生吧
给钱多少?
蓝皮护照现在不值钱了,国人都知道美国和美华是怎么回事。
SAP并不是啥陈旧系统,涉及到制造零售供应的领域,依旧是最主要也是最大的ERP供应商。
准确说是两千年DotCom泡沫破灭和零一年911后的三年,那时IT行业很糟糕,比零八年的金融危机后还糟糕。不过感觉这次比前两次都更糟糕,完全不知道什么时候会到底。
没说SAP 陈旧。SAP 需要及时更新的。不是所有的公司都付费更新的。很多是一个版本用好多好多年。
回国工作,还可以睡pre-小留
不知道UCB EE。但是EE其实也不好找,我认识有小10年工作经验的EE工程师们绿卡跳槽也是找了1年才找到下家。
这些学生是取消SAT后进去的, 或者说DEI进去的,还有50% 社区大学转进去的。
当时的理由是给这些人学习机会,他们会更好。
今年录取还是不要SAT, 那就念吧。
系好安全带吧。 税一加,所有物价都会疯涨。
in the mean time, incompetent India H4 are hired by India managers...
这次和上两次不一样。上两次是tech company valuation and liquidity crunch,穷了所以裁员。现在各个valuation史高,大把cash可以烧,就是严重供大于求了。所以这次比上次麻烦。上次经济好了,就又招人了。现在在经济好着呢,就是不招人。
另: 贡献DP , 前段时间招senior IC , 真的是resumes 多到看不完。 有个top 2 candidates 想玩salary bargain and be fully remote (told this job needs to be onsite ) . 那真是不眨眼的就NEXT。 几年前,可是完全会求爷爷告奶奶让他再想想。
Senior的市场 都这样, 跟何况zero experience entry level junior .
哎,时也运也。
但别放弃哦。 真的喜欢,一定要保持自己继续写程序,在大论坛, gifthub 混。 金子总是会有一天被淘到的。 金子也都是高温高压下产生的。 所以把现在当成你变为💎金子的过程吧。
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有一说一,社区大学转进去的是进不了CS的。 Berkeley EECS,CS还是很难进的,4.0 GPA在Berkeley是非常难拿的。如果这样的毕业生都找不到工作,那其他排名靠后学校CS就更难了
数学转CS可行,反过来不可能吧?CS学的那点读数学博士哪够用…
gpa没有internship/工作经验重要,我在Airbnb 新招进来的非target校+有经验的挺多
这几年泡泡吹大了,大家的期望值都是一毕业能拿30-50万的大包。传统行业能给十多万?这些天之骄子不肯去。
聪明娃最后还是得去做医生律师金融传统赚钱行业。过去版上码农隔三差五就说这些行业性价比低,又累又不如码农门槛低来钱快,狂得没边儿,连医生教授都看不上,万般皆下品唯有码农高,结果盛宴不能持久。
如果读CS期间,又做了三年数学方面的科研呢? 再加上有论文发表和数学系大牛教授的推荐呢?
当然是可以转进CS的,去年我去UCB就遇见过几个,转进去比申请进去简单多了。
同感。。。
一方面是UCB的不愿去,另一方面这些公司也会认为UCB即使去了也是做跳板,呆不长的。
其实我希望,现在各个地方都在精简裁人么。公司里很多印度人想方设法当了头头,然后就只招印度人,排挤其他族裔,屡教不改。
如果行政命令,一个公司的任何 team 如果不是 diversified, 印度人超过30%,就可以裁掉了。然后公司会被巨额罚款。因为这个被裁的个人别的公司永远不会录用。这样各个公司各个部门招人的时候才会有所顾忌。
不然中国人自己卷到飞起也不会有出路的。
朋友小孩Rice金融 毕业在华姐工作,觉得要充电没有去读管理硕士,反而去读了个CS硕士。说后悔本科没有拿经济和CS双学位。
估计你没经历过Dotcom bubble burst。现在这点毛毛雨跟当年完全不是一个量级的。
嗯,那时候是很严重。不过任何时候,总有人找到工作。我就是在那几年找的工作,我的大多同学都接着转行念书了,最后的出路比我好多了。经济衰退等几年总会有转机的。
(不懂就问) 现在EE 也不好找吗?Arizona那儿的芯片厂是不是缺人?还是工资太低了看不上?
是啊,前一阵我还说我们普通州立还行,因为他们大多数都去政府部门,结果现在这么一搞,我们这经济形势一定会极差了。
每年还有多少买彩票发财的,直接买彩票吧,读什么书呀
道理是这个道理,但是,能有这种判断力,不简单。大部分起飞的是运气好,马后炮说自己会抓timing。。。
我家老留们都是转专业的,当年都是有一定难度的,因为当年中国穷,父母都付不起学费,转专业最大难度就是面临没饭吃。我认为转专业都不是运气,还是靠了一定魄力。 我家ABC二代都算风口上的猪吧,毕业的时候,手上一把工作机会。但是申请好大学的cs还是比申请其它专业难度大一些的,也靠一点读书的能力的 很多人都谈运气,运气真的和性格相关,不是天上掉下来的。一个歪歪唧唧的性格,连买一张彩票都下不了决心的,中彩票的可能都没有
肯定有书呆子找不到工作,cs最火的时候,名校都有这样的人。但凡正常一点的,最后都没问题
我认识社区大学转进ucb eecs 的,就去年 ucb 每个专业都是留一定名额给cc transfer student 的
你这是啥公司,一个人就能决定收人?现在大公司哪个不是一票否决,你这搞得一个人一句话就能解决了,这只能小公司,而且不重要职位。 当然同意要多交流联系。
你说得都对。 但维护关系很累的,特别是大妈们,家里已经忙得团团转,更年期各种折磨,头发都白了,剩下时间就躺着喘气不想动弹了。 所以本大妈就把维护关系,和开发新关系的事交给老公了。😂
same here.
MIT的大牛娃,初中就编程很牛的,就不需要找人走前门了 大量没那么那么牛的,找个几百人的小公司混过第一年暑假,第二年夏天就非常容易找到很好的实习了。小公司如果有钱,部门头去人事处要个实习生名额很容易,有的临时都能加一个
按我朋友的说法,离婚都要趁早😂结婚生娃当然更得早一点,更前娃就独立了,然后自己慢慢默默更😂
不要四年,这个国家已经被掏空。没有工作机会,没有中产,只有巨富和穷人,大部分中产都会沦为穷人。大概率会有内乱。
目前60岁出头这波在国内赶上基建狂魔的清华建筑专业、土木工程专业的都赶上了好时光,去年回国听一个清华建筑系毕业的说现在清华建筑系属于调剂专业了,以前是非常热门的。
等你真的去申请就知道了,他们宁愿要高中毕业的白男也不会想要UCB的亚裔。
这是瞎说了。。。。
这种传统行业的IT部门,确实找些技校生培训培训就够用了。老板本人都是社区大学毕业的,为啥要招名校毕业生给自己添堵呢。
我以前工作过的某传统行业的一个巨头,IT部门打交道的PhD和硕士不要太多,本科反而很少。
传统行业只要能在现在活下来的,系统不要太庞大,还真不是技校生可以玩得转的。
H1B是故意带偏方向。外包印度,南美,墨西哥才是大问题,却没人管管这些资本。
我怎么听说现在UCB的cs专业缩招了很多?
是的,他们要价太高,又或者跳槽太快,公司不敢招。好事是,烙印的红利时代过去了
CMU CS今年要毕业的,很多很多都找到非常棒的大厂工作。
哇,要真为了利益维持关系,真还不如找白人,他们关系更多吧?
是呀,找trump也行,找一龙也行
不认识呀,你给介绍介绍?
你不是说找关系多的老白吗?想想这俩你肯定认识
好多学校CS都扩招了,还火爆到不行
不是USB一个学校的锅