https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43001408 I work in administration at UC Berkeley, and I need to say this: something is deeply broken. For years, Berkeley’s Computer Science program was a direct pipeline to top-tier tech jobs. Didn’t matter if you were just "above average"—if you made it through, you'd land a solid job with a great salary. But now? I’m watching some of the most brilliant students, the ones with perfect 4.0 GPAs, prestigious internships, and research experience, graduate with nothing. No offers. No interviews. Just radio silence. Professors are noticing it too. Students who should be drowning in job offers are instead emailing their advisors in a panic: “What do I do now?” “Should I apply for grad school?” “Was this all a waste?” And here’s the part that really scares me—this isn’t just a temporary downturn. The people who should know what’s going on—our faculty, career services, recruiters—have no answers. They just keep telling students to “network more” or “apply to startups.” But those startups? They’re laying people off too. The harsh reality is that a UC Berkeley CS degree is no longer a ticket to job security. The system that promised students a clear path to success is breaking down, and the people in charge are too scared to admit it. I don’t know how this plays out, but I do know this: If you’re a student banking on a Berkeley degree to guarantee your future, you need a backup plan. Because the old rules don’t apply anymore. The question is—what happens when the smartest students in the country realize the system has failed them?
回复 3楼 whatever. 的帖子 If they are the smartest kids, they will find a way. If they can’t find a way, they are not the smartest kids. 当年学生物的多聪明，出来根本没啥对口的好工作，最后这些人大多也混的不错
索楠嘉措 发表于 2025-02-14 20:00 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43001408 I work in administration at UC Berkeley, and I need to say this: something is deeply broken. For years, Berkeley’s Computer Science program was a direct pipeline to top-tier tech jobs. Didn’t matter if you were just "above average"—if you made it through, you'd land a solid job with a great salary. But now? I’m watching some of the most brilliant students, the ones with perfect 4.0 GPAs, prestigious internships, and research experience, graduate with nothing. No offers. No interviews. Just radio silence. Professors are noticing it too. Students who should be drowning in job offers are instead emailing their advisors in a panic: “What do I do now?” “Should I apply for grad school?” “Was this all a waste?” And here’s the part that really scares me—this isn’t just a temporary downturn. The people who should know what’s going on—our faculty, career services, recruiters—have no answers. They just keep telling students to “network more” or “apply to startups.” But those startups? They’re laying people off too. The harsh reality is that a UC Berkeley CS degree is no longer a ticket to job security. The system that promised students a clear path to success is breaking down, and the people in charge are too scared to admit it. I don’t know how this plays out, but I do know this: If you’re a student banking on a Berkeley degree to guarantee your future, you need a backup plan. Because the old rules don’t apply anymore. The question is—what happens when the smartest students in the country realize the system has failed them?
I work in administration at UC Berkeley, and I need to say this: something is deeply broken. For years, Berkeley’s Computer Science program was a direct pipeline to top-tier tech jobs. Didn’t matter if you were just "above average"—if you made it through, you'd land a solid job with a great salary. But now? I’m watching some of the most brilliant students, the ones with perfect 4.0 GPAs, prestigious internships, and research experience, graduate with nothing. No offers. No interviews. Just radio silence. Professors are noticing it too. Students who should be drowning in job offers are instead emailing their advisors in a panic: “What do I do now?” “Should I apply for grad school?” “Was this all a waste?”
And here’s the part that really scares me—this isn’t just a temporary downturn. The people who should know what’s going on—our faculty, career services, recruiters—have no answers. They just keep telling students to “network more” or “apply to startups.” But those startups? They’re laying people off too. The harsh reality is that a UC Berkeley CS degree is no longer a ticket to job security. The system that promised students a clear path to success is breaking down, and the people in charge are too scared to admit it.
I don’t know how this plays out, but I do know this: If you’re a student banking on a Berkeley degree to guarantee your future, you need a backup plan. Because the old rules don’t apply anymore.
The question is—what happens when the smartest students in the country realize the system has failed them?
Lie flat and be a full time kid at home
If they are the smartest kids, they will find a way. If they can’t find a way, they are not the smartest kids.
当年学生物的多聪明，出来根本没啥对口的好工作，最后这些人大多也混的不错
你这句话没有依据吗
我知道的这几年上UCB CS 很难的。
这不就是难上的原因么，我看周围最卷的高中，ucb的录取确实一落千丈啊。给好学生的名额变少了，就逼着你更卷，恶性循环。
问题是别人GPA 4.0啊，UCB CS的4.0这么好拿吗？肯定是好学生吧
给钱多少？
蓝皮护照现在不值钱了，国人都知道美国和美华是怎么回事。
SAP并不是啥陈旧系统，涉及到制造零售供应的领域，依旧是最主要也是最大的ERP供应商。
准确说是两千年DotCom泡沫破灭和零一年911后的三年，那时IT行业很糟糕，比零八年的金融危机后还糟糕。不过感觉这次比前两次都更糟糕，完全不知道什么时候会到底。
没说SAP 陈旧。SAP 需要及时更新的。不是所有的公司都付费更新的。很多是一个版本用好多好多年。
回国工作，还可以睡pre-小留
不知道UCB EE。但是EE其实也不好找，我认识有小10年工作经验的EE工程师们绿卡跳槽也是找了1年才找到下家。
这些学生是取消SAT后进去的， 或者说DEI进去的，还有50% 社区大学转进去的。
当时的理由是给这些人学习机会，他们会更好。
今年录取还是不要SAT， 那就念吧。
系好安全带吧。 税一加，所有物价都会疯涨。
in the mean time, incompetent India H4 are hired by India managers...
这次和上两次不一样。上两次是tech company valuation and liquidity crunch，穷了所以裁员。现在各个valuation史高，大把cash可以烧，就是严重供大于求了。所以这次比上次麻烦。上次经济好了，就又招人了。现在在经济好着呢，就是不招人。
另： 贡献DP ， 前段时间招senior IC ， 真的是resumes 多到看不完。 有个top 2 candidates 想玩salary bargain and be fully remote (told this job needs to be onsite ) . 那真是不眨眼的就NEXT。 几年前，可是完全会求爷爷告奶奶让他再想想。
Senior的市场 都这样， 跟何况zero experience entry level junior .
哎，时也运也。
但别放弃哦。 真的喜欢，一定要保持自己继续写程序，在大论坛， gifthub 混。 金子总是会有一天被淘到的。 金子也都是高温高压下产生的。 所以把现在当成你变为💎金子的过程吧。
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有一说一，社区大学转进去的是进不了CS的。 Berkeley EECS，CS还是很难进的，4.0 GPA在Berkeley是非常难拿的。如果这样的毕业生都找不到工作，那其他排名靠后学校CS就更难了
数学转CS可行，反过来不可能吧？CS学的那点读数学博士哪够用…
gpa没有internship/工作经验重要，我在Airbnb 新招进来的非target校+有经验的挺多
这几年泡泡吹大了，大家的期望值都是一毕业能拿30-50万的大包。传统行业能给十多万？这些天之骄子不肯去。
聪明娃最后还是得去做医生律师金融传统赚钱行业。过去版上码农隔三差五就说这些行业性价比低，又累又不如码农门槛低来钱快，狂得没边儿，连医生教授都看不上，万般皆下品唯有码农高，结果盛宴不能持久。
如果读CS期间，又做了三年数学方面的科研呢？ 再加上有论文发表和数学系大牛教授的推荐呢？
当然是可以转进CS的，去年我去UCB就遇见过几个，转进去比申请进去简单多了。
同感。。。
一方面是UCB的不愿去，另一方面这些公司也会认为UCB即使去了也是做跳板，呆不长的。
其实我希望，现在各个地方都在精简裁人么。公司里很多印度人想方设法当了头头，然后就只招印度人，排挤其他族裔，屡教不改。
如果行政命令，一个公司的任何 team 如果不是 diversified, 印度人超过30%，就可以裁掉了。然后公司会被巨额罚款。因为这个被裁的个人别的公司永远不会录用。这样各个公司各个部门招人的时候才会有所顾忌。
不然中国人自己卷到飞起也不会有出路的。